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The mayor of New York was willing to throw the police under the buss.  Liberals have no respect for the military or the police.  I well remember the liberal hippy types of the mid 60's who called Viet Nam vets baby killers, and cops pigs.   Today they only pretend to respect the military and police because they would have no political future if they didn't.  A liberal can't be themselves and get elected. 

Look up the case of Akai Gurley. Tell me if the cops in that case should be thrown under the bus or praised.

Bad cops should be admonished. The cop that put a chokehold on Garner should be fired at the least. This isn't throwing cops under the bus; the sooner so-called "conservatives" figure this out, the better.

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Criminals?

I think that is what he stated, he never claimed the blacks shoud be profiled, he said the blacks wonder why the police are in these shit hole neighborhoods.

No, he said "the blacks wonder why the PD profile in these shit hole cities". Don't change his words to be something better.

And if you can profile "criminals" based on looks alone, props to you. The other 99.99999999999999% of us can't.

Ninteen arrests, kinda makes profiling easy, which is the number this kid had.

If you think the crime rate in the black community is equal to the crime rate in the non black community, and its just cops profiling and picking on the colored folks than I have no response or arguement to make with that logic.

I am not a racist by stating simple facts, nor is a cop a racist when he defends himself against an attack, and the attacker happens to be colored.

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Ninteen arrests, kinda makes profiling easy, which is the number this kid had.

If you think the crime rate in the black community is equal to the crime rate in the non black community, and its just cops profiling and picking on the colored folks than I have no response or arguement to make with that logic.

I am not a racist by stating simple facts, nor is a cop a racist when he defends himself against an attack, and the attacker happens to be colored.

It only makes profiling easy if you know what a person with 19 arrests looks like. If I showed you pictures of 1000 people, could you tell me those that have 5+ arrests?

What is a "black community"? I would suggest the crime rate in a low income community isn't equal to the crime in a high income community, regardless of the color of the skin of the offenders. Perhaps you should contemplate why you think it's the color of skin that matters in terms of crime and not another aspect of the community.

It can be, however, racist to attempt to use facts to correlate that a specific person is part of those statistics. This is what caused the prosecution towards the Duke lacrosse players, the GZ arrest, and all sorts of studies that indicate officers will shoot black people quicker in simulations.

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I profile people EVERY day and I'm not going to apologize for it.  When an 1976 four door rust bucket comes down my driveway, I'm fairly certain I will react differently than if a 2014 Yukon rolls down my driveway.  I will also react differently when I see a group of people standing around in the mall wearing their pants on backwards and wearing bandana's than when i see a group of people standing around in suits, ties, and wing tip shoes.  If you don't understand the reasons I profile people, then you are destined to eventually find out for yourself .........the hard way.

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The "narrative" certainly contributed to people walking the streets of NY chanting they wanted dead cops and they wanted that now.
 
THAT likely contributed to some lunatic deciding today would be a good day to "give some pigs wings".

Anyone that would make an excuse for the  actions of the likes of Al Sharpton and the hate and racism it causes that contribute to something like this is a "hyper partisan" fool.

The entire reason people use things like this in the manner Obama, Holder, Sharpton do  is for personal or political gain.

The more of this BS they can incite and stir up the more relevant they believe they become.

Great, and the diagrams created by Palin "contributed" to the assault on Giffords and the deaths of others. The rhetoric by right-wing Republican, conservatives during the 90s "contributed" to the deaths in Okalhoma City at the hands of McVeigh...

No. The narrative by protestors didn't contribute to anything to the tragic deaths of these two officers. The words of Obama, Holder, De Blaiso, etc. didn't cause this asshole to shoot the two cops. The only one to blame is the shooter. Anything after that is hyperpartisan bullshit.

Your logic ends in with the assumption that YOU have now contributed to further police abuses against the law abiding and those that wish to peacefully protest. Congrats on furthering the contributions that degrade our society...

Personally I disagree with that logic and don't think your posts contribute to anything that assholes may decide to do.

Then you have no clue about the dynamics of mob mentality and behavior. 

You are like most other liberals today, backtracking as fast as possible. Yes the shooter is to blame but so are the protesters and political agitators. 


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I see johnr and kdm get it quincy,your behind the curve...Just sayin~Gotta add Garfield as well,well said guyz~

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I profile people EVERY day and I'm not going to apologize for it.  When an 1976 four door rust bucket comes down my driveway, I'm fairly certain I will react differently than if a 2014 Yukon rolls down my driveway.  I will also react differently when I see a group of people standing around in the mall wearing their pants on backwards and wearing bandana's than when i see a group of people standing around in suits, ties, and wing tip shoes.  If you don't understand the reasons I profile people, then you are destined to eventually find out for yourself .........the hard way.

Right on.

Everyone profiles and everyone discriminates, even this Quincy idiot even if he does not admit it. It is a good thing as you say. It is a human thing and a natural thing.

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Ninteen arrests, kinda makes profiling easy, which is the number this kid had.

If you think the crime rate in the black community is equal to the crime rate in the non black community, and its just cops profiling and picking on the colored folks than I have no response or arguement to make with that logic.

I am not a racist by stating simple facts, nor is a cop a racist when he defends himself against an attack, and the attacker happens to be colored.

It only makes profiling easy if you know what a person with 19 arrests looks like. If I showed you pictures of 1000 people, could you tell me those that have 5+ arrests?

What is a "black community"? I would suggest the crime rate in a low income community isn't equal to the crime in a high income community, regardless of the color of the skin of the offenders. Perhaps you should contemplate why you think it's the color of skin that matters in terms of crime and not another aspect of the community.

It can be, however, racist to attempt to use facts to correlate that a specific person is part of those statistics. This is what caused the prosecution towards the Duke lacrosse players, the GZ arrest, and all sorts of studies that indicate officers will shoot black people quicker in simulations.

Ask Sharpton, Obama and Holder about the 'black community'. After all they are ones using the term all the time. It is liberals that label people and self identify into all your little trampled on 'communities' be the gay and lesbian community, black community or whatever 'victimized' bunch that is the flavor of the week.

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Then you have no clue about the dynamics of mob mentality and behavior. 

You are like most other liberals today, backtracking as fast as possible. Yes the shooter is to blame but so are the protesters and political agitators. 


And you have no clue about correlation and causation.

Hahaha, you are like most liberals when Gabby Giffords got shot and when the Federal building was bombed in OKC. Quit the hypcrisy. Protestors and political agitators are not to blame for an asshole shooting some cops. Just as pro-cop racists aren't at fault for the shooting of Gurley; the asshole cop is.

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I see johnr and kdm get it quincy,your behind the curve...Just sayin~

"You're"... just saying

And no, black people aren't the problem. Take that crap to stormfront.

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  Ask Sharpton, Obama and Holder about the 'black community'. After all they are ones using the term all the time. It is liberals that label people and self identify into all your little trampled on 'communities' be the gay and lesbian community, black community or whatever 'victimized' bunch that is the flavor of the week.

So because you misuse the term black community, they are at fault? It's liberals that label people? Are you a liberal with all the labeling you are doing (note, you labeled me a liberal)?

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  Ask Sharpton, Obama and Holder about the 'black community'. After all they are ones using the term all the time. It is liberals that label people and self identify into all your little trampled on 'communities' be the gay and lesbian community, black community or whatever 'victimized' bunch that is the flavor of the week.

So because you misuse the term black community, they are at fault? It's liberals that label people? Are you a liberal with all the labeling you are doing (note, you labeled me a liberal)?

I never labeled you. You have self-identified. 

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Then you have no clue about the dynamics of mob mentality and behavior. 

You are like most other liberals today, backtracking as fast as possible. Yes the shooter is to blame but so are the protesters and political agitators. 


And you have no clue about correlation and causation.

Hahaha, you are like most liberals when Gabby Giffords got shot and when the Federal building was bombed in OKC. Quit the hypcrisy. Protestors and political agitators are not to blame for an asshole shooting some cops. Just as pro-cop racists aren't at fault for the shooting of Gurley; the asshole cop is.

So according to you Quin, Protestors and Political agitators aren't responsible for the actions of others, even if they belong to the same group or organization.  Using that train of thought, the taliban members that killed those school kids were acting on their own and the taliban as an organization had nothing to do with it and aren't in any way responsible for the actions of those that killed those kids.  In this country, accessory to murder is a crime as is conspiracy to commit murder.  How do you separate those that ordered the killings from those that carried out the killings?? 

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you lost me here.

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Ninteen arrests, kinda makes profiling easy, which is the number this kid had.

If you think the crime rate in the black community is equal to the crime rate in the non black community, and its just cops profiling and picking on the colored folks than I have no response or arguement to make with that logic.

I am not a racist by stating simple facts, nor is a cop a racist when he defends himself against an attack, and the attacker happens to be colored.

It only makes profiling easy if you know what a person with 19 arrests looks like. If I showed you pictures of 1000 people, could you tell me those that have 5+ arrests?

What is a "black community"? I would suggest the crime rate in a low income community isn't equal to the crime in a high income community, regardless of the color of the skin of the offenders. Perhaps you should contemplate why you think it's the color of skin that matters in terms of crime and not another aspect of the community.

It can be, however, racist to attempt to use facts to correlate that a specific person is part of those statistics. This is what caused the prosecution towards the Duke lacrosse players, the GZ arrest, and all sorts of studies that indicate officers will shoot black people quicker in simulations.

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  I never labeled you. You have self-identified. 

Nope. Nice try, unfortunately I don't give participation awards.

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you lost me here.

The prejudices against white, frat boys and their sexualized attitudes. If they wouldn't have been rich, white, athletes I'm not conviced they would have been vilified like they were. Or if you were lost on the entire case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

Shorter: white kids were accused of rape. Blacks/liberals were outraged. Malicious prosecution in light of contrary evidence. Charges dropped, prosecutor disbarred and charged (can't remember if convicted).

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  So according to you Quin, Protestors and Political agitators aren't responsible for the actions of others, even if they belong to the same group or organization.  Using that train of thought, the taliban members that killed those school kids were acting on their own and the taliban as an organization had nothing to do with it and aren't in any way responsible for the actions of those that killed those kids.  In this country, accessory to murder is a crime as is conspiracy to commit murder.  How do you separate those that ordered the killings from those that carried out the killings?? 

Do you have an analogy that isn't apples and oranges? I have one. It's the Sarah Palin/Gabby Giffords shooting. Were you at the forefront of accusing her and the tea party of being responsible, or were you (rightfully) telling liberals to shut it?

The taliban MEMBERS (key word) were blamed on behalf of the organization because they were/are an organization. Loosely formed protests based on a similar event don't qualify as an "organization" like the NFL, NBA, teachers unions, Taliban, ISIS, etc. count as. We can get into the intracacies of an organization if you want, but it would still be off topic to the thread at hand.

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  In this country, accessory to murder is a crime as is conspiracy to commit murder.  How do you separate those that ordered the killings from those that carried out the killings?? 

Are you really calling for criminal charges against major public figures and protestors??

If so, you'll reap what you sow, when some right-wing asshole does something stupid and you're subsequently in the crosshairs for whatever rhetoric you may have spouted.

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  So according to you Quin, Protestors and Political agitators aren't responsible for the actions of others, even if they belong to the same group or organization.  Using that train of thought, the taliban members that killed those school kids were acting on their own and the taliban as an organization had nothing to do with it and aren't in any way responsible for the actions of those that killed those kids.  In this country, accessory to murder is a crime as is conspiracy to commit murder.  How do you separate those that ordered the killings from those that carried out the killings?? 

Do you have an analogy that isn't apples and oranges? I have one. It's the Sarah Palin/Gabby Giffords shooting. Were you at the forefront of accusing her and the tea party of being responsible, or were you (rightfully) telling liberals to shut it?

I've never heard Sarah Palin or anyone associated with any US political party advocate or call for violence (other than War).  I've never heard Sarah Palin or any US political party member say "Burn this Bitch Down" or any other calls for violence.  Indeed it has been just the opposite.  I don't see the connection.  Anyway, what I'm trying to determine is how does anyone separate those that call for violence from those that actually perform the violence that is being called for?  Is the mob boss that orders a murder just as responsible for that crime as the person that commits the murder?  Are gang leaders that advocate violence from the gang members just as responsible for the violent acts of the gang members? 

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im familiar with the case, just never heard anyone say cause they were white, frat boys they would have not been vilified like they were. until now.

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you lost me here.

The prejudices against white, frat boys and their sexualized attitudes. If they wouldn't have been rich, white, athletes I'm not conviced they would have been vilified like they were. Or if you were lost on the entire case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

Shorter: white kids were accused of rape. Blacks/liberals were outraged. Malicious prosecution in light of contrary evidence. Charges dropped, prosecutor disbarred and charged (can't remember if convicted).

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  In this country, accessory to murder is a crime as is conspiracy to commit murder.  How do you separate those that ordered the killings from those that carried out the killings?? 

Are you really calling for criminal charges against major public figures and protestors??

If so, you'll reap what you sew, when some right-wing asshole does something stupid and you're subsequently in the crosshairs for whatever rhetoric you may have spouted.

Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

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  So according to you Quin, Protestors and Political agitators aren't responsible for the actions of others, even if they belong to the same group or organization.  Using that train of thought, the taliban members that killed those school kids were acting on their own and the taliban as an organization had nothing to do with it and aren't in any way responsible for the actions of those that killed those kids.  In this country, accessory to murder is a crime as is conspiracy to commit murder.  How do you separate those that ordered the killings from those that carried out the killings?? 

Do you have an analogy that isn't apples and oranges? I have one. It's the Sarah Palin/Gabby Giffords shooting. Were you at the forefront of accusing her and the tea party of being responsible, or were you (rightfully) telling liberals to shut it?

I've never heard Sarah Palin or anyone associated with any US political party advocate or call for violence (other than War).  I've never heard Sarah Palin or any US political party member say "Burn this Bitch Down" or any other calls for violence.  Indeed it has been just the opposite.  I don't see the connection.  Anyway, what I'm trying to determine is how does anyone separate those that call for violence from those that actually perform the violence that is being called for?  Is the mob boss that orders a murder just as responsible for that crime as the person that commits the murder?  Are gang leaders that advocate violence from the gang members just as responsible for the violent acts of the gang members? 

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I haven't caught a fish in 113 days.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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  I've never heard Sarah Palin or anyone associated with any US political party advocate or call for violence (other than War).  I've never heard Sarah Palin or any US political party member say "Burn this Bitch Down" or any other calls for violence.  Indeed it has been just the opposite.  I don't see the connection.  Anyway, what I'm trying to determine is how does anyone separate those that call for violence from those that actually perform the violence that is being called for?  Is the mob boss that orders a murder just as responsible for that crime as the person that commits the murder?  Are gang leaders that advocate violence from the gang members just as responsible for the violent acts of the gang members? 

You should really take your head out of the sand if you think it's limited to these protests: https://www.google.com/search?q=tea+party+2nd+amendment+remedies&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=inqYVM-rD9GdyASx54CgAw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAw&biw=1280&bih=917

http://www.thenationalpatriot.com/2014/12/10/water-the-tree-of-liberty-or-hang-them-from-it/

That was the crap that liberals were using to blame Palin and the right on the Giffords shooting. Just go read any number of terrible articles back then. They were quite certain they had proof of hateful and inciteful words back then too, just as the right is so certain now. Liberals were wrong then, conservatives are wrong now. It's intellectually dishonest to try and quantify one while saying the other was wrong.

And again, you keep going back to members. What specific group was this guy a member of? Aside from the crazy asshole that killed someone group. It's disengenuous to say that all protestors are "members" of a specific group.

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I'm bored.  Throw me a bone here.

 

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im familiar with the case, just never heard anyone say cause they were white, frat boys they would have not been vilified like they were. until now.

Wow, really?

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I have been trolled again. Just when I think you guys can't perpetuate the stereotypes of old, religious, right wing, white guys, you one up me and I stand corrected.

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A driver who rammed a crowd of pedestrians while shouting “Allahu Akbar” (God is greatest) in France's eastern city of Dijon had a history of severe mental illness, a prosecutor said Monday, ruling out a "terrorist act".

This is absolutely not an act of terrorism,” Prosecutor Marie-Christine Tarrare told reporters during a press conference, adding that the man had a "long-lasting and severe psychological disorder" and had been hospitalised over 150 times since 2002.

She also said he had acted alone and did not have any religious motives when he ran down 13 pedestrians in Dijon on Sunday.

Coming just two days after a suspected Islamist attack on police officers in central France, the prosecutor's words eased concerns the Dijon attack may have been inspired by Islamic extremism.

 

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  Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

What the hell does Nixon have to do with anything? Do you remember a guy named Constantine, he has about as much to do with this crap as Nixon. Congrats.

Where did Obama or other leadership call for violence. GIVE SPECIFICS. I want to see specific statements of specific acts of violence that were called on. Then once you have that proven, you can point out where this asshole was specifically using those calls for violence when he shot the cops. You're so effing certain of all this it shouldn't be hard. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

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I haven't caught a fish in 113 days.

That's terrible. Something that shouldn't be uttered by anyone. Play hookie and go catch a fish.

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this is the most outrageous thing I've read in this entire topic.

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Latest update : 2014-12-22

A driver who rammed a crowd of pedestrians while shouting “Allahu Akbar” (God is greatest) in France's eastern city of Dijon had a history of severe mental illness, a prosecutor said Monday, ruling out a "terrorist act".

This is absolutely not an act of terrorism,” Prosecutor Marie-Christine Tarrare told reporters during a press conference, adding that the man had a "long-lasting and severe psychological disorder" and had been hospitalised over 150 times since 2002.

She also said he had acted alone and did not have any religious motives when he ran down 13 pedestrians in Dijon on Sunday.

Coming just two days after a suspected Islamist attack on police officers in central France, the prosecutor's words eased concerns the Dijon attack may have been inspired by Islamic extremism.

France is a crap show. They shouldn't be indicative of anything in the states.

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The left were wrong about Palin then, the right are wrong about Obama, Holder, et al now

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2014/12/22/protecting-protesters-vs-trashing-tea-party

http://gawker.com/5728545/shot-congresswoman-was-in-sarah-palins-crosshairs

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/rep-gabrielle-giffords-blood-sarah-palin-hands-putting-cross-hair-district-article-1.149099

"Here is what Sarah Palin said on the Facebook page where she depicted Gabrielle Giffords in the cross hairs of a rifle scope: "Don't retreat! Instead - RELOAD!""

In the eyes of FB members here, that would be "violent speech".

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  Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

What the hell does Nixon have to do with anything? Do you remember a guy named Constantine, he has about as much to do with this crap as Nixon. Congrats.

Where did Obama or other leadership call for violence. GIVE SPECIFICS. I want to see specific statements of specific acts of violence that were called on. Then once you have that proven, you can point out where this asshole was specifically using those calls for violence when he shot the cops. You're so effing certain of all this it shouldn't be hard. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

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Not sure what any of ur political over views have to do with the murder of these two officers. Funny how some of u can turn a topic into 10 pages of political BS.

It has everything to do with politics when we have the President of The United States, the AG of the United States and the Mayor of the largest city in the United States who is also the executive in charge of the department that employed these two men have been encouraging and enabling these protesters. Not peaceful protesters, 'burn this bitch down' protesters. Protesters that have become more and more violent, and last night sang the name of this gangster they consider a hero. This is what 'progressive' policies and thinking lead to and these 'progressive' politicians need to be held responsible and replaced with responsible members of society.

I must have missed it. What exactly did those guys you named say to make a percentage of those protesters riot and become cop killers?

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 well, where are we today???

we've have 2 completely innocent cops executed while working additional shifts to help keep residents safe in a sketch neighborhood, and a few others healing after attacks during "peaceful protests"...

we have 1 man with dozens of arrests accidently killed while being arrested for more illegal activity... we have another man, also with a long sheet, who shot his girlfriend, executed the 2 cops, then himself... 

summary - one individual accidently killed by cops - 3 people executed, another recovering from an attempted 4th murder, and more cops recovering from beatings during riots... 

going forward, the residents of nyc will pay more (overtime) for less security (2 officers per patrol car = less patrol cars)... the more vulnerable citizens of their city are in more danger now than they were last week... 

mission accomplished??? 

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Ninteen arrests, kinda makes profiling easy, which is the number this kid had.

If you think the crime rate in the black community is equal to the crime rate in the non black community, and its just cops profiling and picking on the colored folks than I have no response or arguement to make with that logic.

I am not a racist by stating simple facts, nor is a cop a racist when he defends himself against an attack, and the attacker happens to be colored.

It only makes profiling easy if you know what a person with 19 arrests looks like. If I showed you pictures of 1000 people, could you tell me those that have 5+ arrests?

What is a "black community"? I would suggest the crime rate in a low income community isn't equal to the crime in a high income community, regardless of the color of the skin of the offenders. Perhaps you should contemplate why you think it's the color of skin that matters in terms of crime and not another aspect of the community.

It can be, however, racist to attempt to use facts to correlate that a specific person is part of those statistics. This is what caused the prosecution towards the Duke lacrosse players, the GZ arrest, and all sorts of studies that indicate officers will shoot black people quicker in simulations.

Ask Sharpton, Obama and Holder about the 'black community'. After all they are ones using the term all the time. It is liberals that label people and self identify into all your little trampled on 'communities' be the gay and lesbian community, black community or whatever 'victimized' bunch that is the flavor of the week.

This reminded me of something. Thankfully, I haven't heard Christians complaining about the 'War on Christmas" this year as much as they usually do. 

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  Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

What the hell does Nixon have to do with anything? Do you remember a guy named Constantine, he has about as much to do with this crap as Nixon. Congrats.

Where did Obama or other leadership call for violence. GIVE SPECIFICS. I want to see specific statements of specific acts of violence that were called on. Then once you have that proven, you can point out where this asshole was specifically using those calls for violence when he shot the cops. You're so effing certain of all this it shouldn't be hard. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

Who is the leader of the protestors that called for violence that you are talking about?

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Boy,will ya look at the time.... Guywhothinks a lot has it right~

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Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

You know the whole "members" aspect kind of separates out your comparison with what actually happened here. Again, what specific group was this guy a part of? What is their name? When did they meet? Member list?

So to expand on your terrible Nixon analogy, who specifically asked this specific person to commit the act of violence he did?

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the guy that said burn this bitch down? 

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  Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

What the hell does Nixon have to do with anything? Do you remember a guy named Constantine, he has about as much to do with this crap as Nixon. Congrats.

Where did Obama or other leadership call for violence. GIVE SPECIFICS. I want to see specific statements of specific acts of violence that were called on. Then once you have that proven, you can point out where this asshole was specifically using those calls for violence when he shot the cops. You're so effing certain of all this it shouldn't be hard. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

Who is the leader of the protestors that called for violence that you are talking about?

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This reminded me of something. Thankfully, I haven't heard Christians complaining about the 'War on Christmas" this year as much as they usually do. 


Merry Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior's Birthday!

3:22-3:60 Dennis Miller is awesome.

 

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we have 1 man with dozens of arrests accidently killed while being arrested for more illegal activity... we have another man, also with a long sheet, who shot his girlfriend, executed the 2 cops, then himself... 

summary - one individual accidently killed by cops - 3 people executed, another recovering from an attempted 4th murder, and more cops recovering from beatings during riots... 

going forward, the residents of nyc will pay more (overtime) for less security (2 officers per patrol car = less patrol cars)... the more vulnerable citizens of their city are in more danger now than they were last week... 

mission accomplished??? 

What illegal activity was Garner being arrested for? The cops weren't looking for him for something specific FYI.

 
BTW, what was Akai Gurley doing that was illegal when he was shot in NY?

There have been a total of 2 officers shot on-duty since 2011. How many civilians have been killed by police?

No, mission not accomplished based on your cherry picking of specific assholes. How many innocent protestors were beatin by cops the last few months? How many wrongful arrests were done in Ferguson to protestors and the press?

Jesus guys, one can be pro-police and still not be so effing blind to the fact there are bad apples out there.

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the guy that said burn this bitch down? 

What group was he the leader of? And what did he say about the ex-girlfriend that caused her to be shot?

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  Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

What the hell does Nixon have to do with anything? Do you remember a guy named Constantine, he has about as much to do with this crap as Nixon. Congrats.

Where did Obama or other leadership call for violence. GIVE SPECIFICS. I want to see specific statements of specific acts of violence that were called on. Then once you have that proven, you can point out where this asshole was specifically using those calls for violence when he shot the cops. You're so effing certain of all this it shouldn't be hard. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

Who is the leader of the protestors that called for violence that you are talking about?

The original question was how does anyone separate leaders who advocate violence from the members who commit the violence?

It's getting so watered down with superfluous questions I had to go back and look.  Can you answer this for me BTR as I'm unable to come up with a logical answer.

The leader of the protesters is of no consequence to the question I asked.  

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The original question was how does anyone separate leaders who advocate violence from the members who commit the violence?

It's getting so watered down with superfluous questions I had to go back and look.  Can you answer this for me BTR as I'm unable to come up with a logical answer.

The leader of the protesters is of no consequence to the question I asked.  

Since you acknowledge this is off topic. You seperate them based on charges of specific actions and specific orders. Those that conspire for violence and those that carry out that violence. Vague claims don't qualify as specific orders. Being an accessory or conspiracy charges are quite strict. The first amendment protects quite a bit, fortunately.

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According to the New York Post the protest leadership exists as De-blasio is meeting with them.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/19/de-blasio-meets-with-protest-leaders/

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