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Well quin,do a little home work,get your facts right before spouting off,Garner was illegally selling lucies and reported by store keepers,not a 1st time offender either and he didn't need to resist ,as in most of these cases if these folks would walk the straight line or at least do what they were told by authority we would'nt have these issues.

As far as how many protesters were beat,I suspect only the ones that needed it and/or resisted.

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According to the New York Post the protest leadership exists as De-blasio is meeting with them.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/19/de-blasio-meets-with-protest-leaders/

Okay, which one of them specifically told Brinsley to kill an officer?

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How in the hell does saying they are going to do a federal investigation correlate into calls for violence??????
 They should have told people to wait for the evidence from the grand jury.  We remember the liars who said he had his hands up and said don't shoot.  Holder went to Ferguson.  He should not have cast doubt upon the integrity of the police.  He and Obama should have kept their mouth shut.  They gave the people reason to doubt.
And if you can profile "criminals" based on looks alone, props to you. The other 99.99999999999999% of us can't.
 I think you may be part of the .001 that can't do it.  It's more like 99.99 can.  Law enforcement had special training for it.  The reason people were upset was because it worked.  People like you at an airport would have no idea if they should search the guy with a turban screaming Allah Akbar or the 80 year old Jewish grandmother in a wheel chair.  Picking the right one would be profiling, but you admitted you can't do it.



The cop that put a chokehold on Garner should be fired at the least.

Your ignorance is showing again.  I do realize that to the untrained eye any hold around the neck is a "choke hold", but there are a couple of take down methods that require what looks like a "choke hold" if you know no better.  Garner was not choked by the police.   Only the ignorant think so.


This reminded me of something. Thankfully, I haven't heard Christians complaining about the 'War on Christmas" this year as much as they usually do. http://www.fishingbuddy.com/class/view/forms/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_up.gif

Speaking of trolls looking for an argument.  Right now were more worried about the murder of Christians around the world. 

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we have 1 man with dozens of arrests accidently killed while being arrested for more illegal activity... we have another man, also with a long sheet, who shot his girlfriend, executed the 2 cops, then himself... 

summary - one individual accidently killed by cops - 3 people executed, another recovering from an attempted 4th murder, and more cops recovering from beatings during riots... 

going forward, the residents of nyc will pay more (overtime) for less security (2 officers per patrol car = less patrol cars)... the more vulnerable citizens of their city are in more danger now than they were last week... 

mission accomplished??? 

What illegal activity was Garner being arrested for? The cops weren't looking for him for something specific FYI.

 
BTW, what was Akai Gurley doing that was illegal when he was shot in NY?

There have been a total of 2 officers shot on-duty since 2011. How many civilians have been killed by police?

No, mission not accomplished based on your cherry picking of specific assholes. How many innocent protestors were beatin by cops the last few months? How many wrongful arrests were done in Ferguson to protestors and the press?

Jesus guys, one can be pro-police and still not be so effing blind to the fact there are bad apples out there.

#1 - suspicion of selling single non taxed cigs...

#2 - the specific assholes I was referring to are the ones involved starting with garner...

I guess if there are no limits in time frame, why do you suppose cops were initially hired in the first place??? to entice law abiding citizens in to bad behavior so they could abuse them??? 

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Well quin,do a little home work,get your facts right before spouting off,Garner was illegally selling lucies and reported by store keepers,not a 1st time offender either and he didn't need to resist ,as in most of these cases if these folks would walk the straight line or at least do what they were told by authority we would'nt have these issues.

As far as how many protesters were beat,I suspect only the ones that needed it and/or resisted.

Try again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner#Background

On July 17, 2014, at 4:45 p.m., Eric Garner was approached by a plainclothes police officer, Justin Damico, in front of a beauty supply store at 202 Bay Street in the Tompkinsville neighborhood in Staten Island. According to bystanders, including Ramsey Orta, a friend of Garner's who videotaped the incident,[3][49]Garner broke up a fight prior to his death, which may have drawn Orta's and Officer Daniel Pantaleo's attention to him.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/staten-island-man-dies-puts-choke-hold-article-1.1871486
Ramsey Orta, 22, who shot the video, tried to intervene, telling the cops his friend had just broken up a fight between three men and had not been selling cigarettes

Perhaps you should have done your homework ;)

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The original question was how does anyone separate leaders who advocate violence from the members who commit the violence?

It's getting so watered down with superfluous questions I had to go back and look.  Can you answer this for me BTR as I'm unable to come up with a logical answer.

The leader of the protesters is of no consequence to the question I asked.  

Since you acknowledge this is off topic. You seperate them based on charges of specific actions and specific orders. Those that conspire for violence and those that carry out that violence. Vague claims don't qualify as specific orders. Being an accessory or conspiracy charges are quite strict. The first amendment protects quite a bit, fortunately.

I'm still wondering if you think that the leadership of a group or organization that calls for violence is just as responsible as the person that carries out the violent act?  We could discuss specific statements or actions all day.  If I was interested in that I would have become a lawyer.  

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 They should have told people to wait for the evidence from the grand jury.  We remember the liars who said he had his hands up and said don't shoot.  Holder went to Ferguson.  He should not have cast doubt upon the integrity of the police.  He and Obama should have kept their mouth shut.  They gave the people reason to doubt.

Doubt doesn't equal calls for violence. Buzz... try again.

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 I think you may be part of the .001 that can't do it.  It's more like 99.99 can.  Law enforcement had special training for it.  The reason people were upset was because it worked.  People like you at an airport would have no idea if they should search the guy with a turban screaming Allah Akbar or the 80 year old Jewish grandmother in a wheel chair.  Picking the right one would be profiling, but you admitted you can't do it.

Which one is the cop killer?

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Your ignorance is showing again.  I do realize that to the untrained eye any hold around the neck is a "choke hold", but there are a couple of take down methods that require what looks like a "choke hold" if you know no better.  Garner was not choked by the police.   Only the ignorant think so.

Cut the bullshit... he's not hugging him here.

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According to the New York Post the protest leadership exists as De-blasio is meeting with them.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/19/de-blasio-meets-with-protest-leaders/

Okay, which one of them specifically told Brinsley to kill an officer?

What if they all did because they all advocated violence against the police??  Then what??

That's my original question.  Are they to be held responsible just like the guy that pulled the trigger??

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#1 - suspicion of selling single non taxed cigs...

#2 - the specific assholes I was referring to are the ones involved starting with garner...

I guess if there are no limits in time frame, why do you suppose cops were initially hired in the first place??? to entice law abiding citizens in to bad behavior so they could abuse them??? 

#1 Not based on reasonable suspicion. Charges dropped. Next

#2. Still cherry picking fyi.

No, but it sure seems that is the reason some get into the profession. Hey, how is Peter Liang doing? Does he still have your back or should he get thrown under the bus?

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  What if they all did because they all advocated violence against the police??  Then what??

That's my original question.  Are they to be held responsible just like the guy that pulled the trigger??

Then it should be really, really easy for you to find a statement such as that. I'm waiting.

If they specifically told the shooter to kill an officer, yes. If not, not.

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Can you pick the liberal?

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  What if they all did because they all advocated violence against the police??  Then what??

That's my original question.  Are they to be held responsible just like the guy that pulled the trigger??

Then it should be really, really easy for you to find a statement such as that. I'm waiting.

If they specifically told the shooter to kill an officer, yes. If not, not.

Keep waiting.  The investigation will figure it out for both of us.

Thanks for answering my question.  Whew, I need a beer after all that.

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Thanks for answering my question.  Whew, I need a beer after all that.

Have two for the both of us.

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Can you pick the liberal?

Yeah, I'm not sure why conservatives insist on using liberal logic to attack leftists right now. Shouldn't we be better rather than conform?

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 That would be 4 by my count and OK.  Sounds reasonable.

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horrible technique in the top pick.  He needs to get his left hand on his bicep and use to gain leverage than the fool will quit resisting.  Im not a cop lover but these are pretty cut and dried cases. Just listen and you would still be alive its as simple as that.  if im a cop in ny im carrying non issue and bustin caps at any thing that looks hostile. My life or there life i want mine f them. 

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Your ignorance is showing again.  I do realize that to the untrained eye any hold around the neck is a "choke hold", but there are a couple of take down methods that require what looks like a "choke hold" if you know no better.  Garner was not choked by the police.   Only the ignorant think so.

Cut the bullshit... he's not hugging him here.

Looks similar to...

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horrible technique in the top pick.  He needs to get his left hand on his bicep and use to gain leverage than the fool will quit resisting.  Im not a cop lover but these are pretty cut and dried cases. Just listen and you would still be alive its as simple as that.  if im a cop in ny im carrying non issue and bustin caps at any thing that looks hostile. My life or there life i want mine f them. 

That's a scary attitude. Why should cops be above the law? If you're that worried about dying in a region that has had two on-duty officers killed in the last 4 years, perhaps you should find a different job, for your sake and the sake of those your supposed to be protecting.

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Looks similar to...

Your right it looks similar enough to fool the fool. 

johnr isn't liberal logic an oxymoron?   Lets see now Oxy means pointed, sharp, acute etc sooooooo moron must mean liberal right?

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Your right it looks similar enough to fool the fool. 

johnr isn't liberal logic an oxymoron? 

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Your right it looks similar enough to fool the fool. 

The only ones saying it wasn't a choke hold are the only ones trying to excuse the move. Sad.

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 He wasn't choked and the autopsy showed that.  When you are talking and saying I can't breath then you can breath or you wouldn't be able to talk.  If you are breathing you are by definition not choking.  Also, you talk about cherry picking, you take a snapshot of a moment in time in an incident and say it's representative of the entire incident.  Watch the whole video.  As soon as Garner is restrained that officer lets go of the hold around his neck.  Also, the officer in charge of the scene was a black female sargeant and testified for the officer.  Wikipedia is not a great source for accurate information.   Protester's favorite saying is "no justice, no peace".  Do some research, there is story after story of protesters cheering the deaths of these officers.

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#1 - suspicion of selling single non taxed cigs...

#2 - the specific assholes I was referring to are the ones involved starting with garner...

I guess if there are no limits in time frame, why do you suppose cops were initially hired in the first place??? to entice law abiding citizens in to bad behavior so they could abuse them??? 

#1 Not based on reasonable suspicion. Charges dropped. Next

#2. Still cherry picking fyi.

No, but it sure seems that is the reason some get into the profession. Hey, how is Peter Liang doing? Does he still have your back or should he get thrown under the bus?

you win... you're right, cops suck... I wanna follow your plan, what is it???

please explain the land of quincy system and how it would work without the human suck element... 

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you win... you're right, cops suck... I wanna follow your plan, what is it???

please explain the land of quincy system and how it would work without the human suck element... 

Bad cops would get fired, kind of like how any other job works when you don't follow policy, lie, use force above what is needed, etc.

How about we commend and promote good cops while getting rid of the bad ones? Is that so hard to implement?

Why are police on such a high pedastal that anything they do is defended? I've mentioned Akai Gurley multiple times here and yet no one has had the gall to say anything about him. Did he deserve to die? What crime was he commiting? Is saying that officer should be (minimally) fired "throwing cops under the bus"?

How about any cop that has had multiple complaints filed against them? Multiple lawsuits brought up against them in which the city/county/state had to settle? Shouldn't the bar be set higher for those we trust our lives with?

Hell, at least shitty politicians can be impeached. If Nixon was a cop, he would have received a medal for what he did and not exposed as the crook he was.

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good thing im not a cop but if they need some 155 howitzers dropped i am there huckleberry been a few years but i am sure i can still get the old girl to bark. 

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horrible technique in the top pick.  He needs to get his left hand on his bicep and use to gain leverage than the fool will quit resisting.  Im not a cop lover but these are pretty cut and dried cases. Just listen and you would still be alive its as simple as that.  if im a cop in ny im carrying non issue and bustin caps at any thing that looks hostile. My life or there life i want mine f them. 

That's a scary attitude. Why should cops be above the law? If you're that worried about dying in a region that has had two on-duty officers killed in the last 4 years, perhaps you should find a different job, for your sake and the sake of those your supposed to be protecting.

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it was a poorly executed choke hold at best. done right you should be sleeping in 5 to 10 seconds 

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Looks similar to...

Your right it looks similar enough to fool the fool. 

The only ones saying it wasn't a choke hold are the only ones trying to excuse the move. Sad.

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How about we commend and promote good cops while getting rid of the bad ones? Is that so hard to implement?

That's what we do now.  Unfortunately we get unqualified people like you watching a snapshot and passing judgment.  I have 27 years in law enforcement and would have no problem working for the internal affairs that Hollywood always makes look like the bad guys.  What's your qualifications?

How about any cop that has had multiple complaints

More of that liberal mentality of guilty until proven innocent.  The criminals think the same when it comes to police.  Officers who just go with the flow often get along great, but those who do the job they are hired for are often the brunt of law suites.  For the underinformed liberal a complaint does not equate to a conviction.  A good police man or woman with ten years of experience is going to have multiple complaints.  A kiss up not so much. 

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This is the furthest I'm going to venture into this topic.  Quincy, quit using wikipedia as your source.  It can be customized by the public and therefore does not constitute a reliable source.  Good day everyone. 


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No shit, didn;t say they were.

Then what were you getting at by saying SlimBlundt needs to take a closer look at who was behind the problems? If you weren't alluding that Democrats were the problem, then why were you disagreeing with him?

Comprehension of reading is a plus in these discussions 05.

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The "narrative" certainly contributed to people walking the streets of NY chanting they wanted dead cops and they wanted that now.
 
THAT likely contributed to some lunatic deciding today would be a good day to "give some pigs wings".

Anyone that would make an excuse for the  actions of the likes of Al Sharpton and the hate and racism it causes that contribute to something like this is a "hyper partisan" fool.

The entire reason people use things like this in the manner Obama, Holder, Sharpton do  is for personal or political gain.

The more of this BS they can incite and stir up the more relevant they believe they become.

Great, and the diagrams created by Palin "contributed" to the assault on Giffords and the deaths of others. The rhetoric by right-wing Republican, conservatives during the 90s "contributed" to the deaths in Okalhoma City at the hands of McVeigh...

No. The narrative by protestors didn't contribute to anything to the tragic deaths of these two officers. The words of Obama, Holder, De Blaiso, etc. didn't cause this asshole to shoot the two cops. The only one to blame is the shooter. Anything after that is hyperpartisan bullshit.

Your logic ends in with the assumption that YOU have now contributed to further police abuses against the law abiding and those that wish to peacefully protest. Congrats on furthering the contributions that degrade our society...

Personally I disagree with that logic and don't think your posts contribute to anything that assholes may decide to do.

Was Palin standing beside people saying "burn this bitch down"?
 
Was she walking in protests tied to people calling for dead politicians such as Gifford?
 
Were the "right wing Republicans" standing with people calling for the bombing of govt buildings?

Give me a break. you really want to compare as apples to apples what sharpton has done to Sara Palin?

And then in the same breath you accuse others of hyper partisanism?

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Quincy it isn't against the law to think.  Palin and Obama didn't say anything that could be construed as inciting violence.   Not the same as Obama and Holder saying they were going to investigate the police.

HAHAHAHAHA, the cognitive dissonance here is rich. How in the hell does saying they are going to do a federal investigation correlate into calls for violence??????

Even the assholes saying stupid things at the protest doesn't equate to causation for the asshole that shot the cops.

Jesus, on no planet does that make the least bit of sense. The same logic is what caused stupid liberals to say "Palin's use of a bullseye and tea party rhetoric of 2nd Amendment fixes are what caused Gabby Giffords to be shot". You are using the same line of reasoning that you decry when it goes against someone on your side of the political spectrum.

So quincy if someone stands up and yells fire in a crowded theater and someone is trampled and killed while the mob storms out of the theater is anyone responsible?

Once again 05 if you wish to continue to compare Palin to Sharpton please show uys where Palin encourgaed people to "burn this bitch down" and where she would have ever stood by as people called for dead cops.

You liberals still really have your panties in a bunch over Palin.


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The mayor of New York was willing to throw the police under the buss.  Liberals have no respect for the military or the police.  I well remember the liberal hippy types of the mid 60's who called Viet Nam vets baby killers, and cops pigs.   Today they only pretend to respect the military and police because they would have no political future if they didn't.  A liberal can't be themselves and get elected. 

Look up the case of Akai Gurley. Tell me if the cops in that case should be thrown under the bus or praised.

Bad cops should be admonished. The cop that put a chokehold on Garner should be fired at the least. This isn't throwing cops under the bus; the sooner so-called "conservatives" figure this out, the better.

Who is saying they shouldn't?

Fired and convicted of murder are two pretty different things.

Strung up or shot in the head is even more of a difference.

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Ninteen arrests, kinda makes profiling easy, which is the number this kid had.

If you think the crime rate in the black community is equal to the crime rate in the non black community, and its just cops profiling and picking on the colored folks than I have no response or arguement to make with that logic.

I am not a racist by stating simple facts, nor is a cop a racist when he defends himself against an attack, and the attacker happens to be colored.

It only makes profiling easy if you know what a person with 19 arrests looks like. If I showed you pictures of 1000 people, could you tell me those that have 5+ arrests?

What is a "black community"? I would suggest the crime rate in a low income community isn't equal to the crime in a high income community, regardless of the color of the skin of the offenders. Perhaps you should contemplate why you think it's the color of skin that matters in terms of crime and not another aspect of the community.

It can be, however, racist to attempt to use facts to correlate that a specific person is part of those statistics. This is what caused the prosecution towards the Duke lacrosse players, the GZ arrest, and all sorts of studies that indicate officers will shoot black people quicker in simulations.

Statistics 05.

If you took 50 random black pictures and 50 random white pictures and you picked soley out of the black pictures statistics say you would be more right than if you picked only out of the white pictures.

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Then you have no clue about the dynamics of mob mentality and behavior. 

You are like most other liberals today, backtracking as fast as possible. Yes the shooter is to blame but so are the protesters and political agitators. 

And you have no clue about correlation and causation.

Hahaha, you are like most liberals when Gabby Giffords got shot and when the Federal building was bombed in OKC. Quit the hypcrisy. Protestors and political agitators are not to blame for an asshole shooting some cops. Just as pro-cop racists aren't at fault for the shooting of Gurley; the asshole cop is.

So according to you Quin, Protestors and Political agitators aren't responsible for the actions of others, even if they belong to the same group or organization.  Using that train of thought, the taliban members that killed those school kids were acting on their own and the taliban as an organization had nothing to do with it and aren't in any way responsible for the actions of those that killed those kids.  In this country, accessory to murder is a crime as is conspiracy to commit murder.  How do you separate those that ordered the killings from those that carried out the killings?? 

Quincys thought process is much like Obama trying to distance these "lone wolves" from radical muslim extremism.
 
I would guess the guy that took an ax to those cops or the Fort Hood shooter has never met anyone of the clerics spouting anti American rhetoric over in Iran, yet only those blind to reality think it is not a contributing factor.

So 05 who do you think was "responsible" for flying those airplanes into the towers?

Clearly someones rhetoric contributed to that act.

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  So according to you Quin, Protestors and Political agitators aren't responsible for the actions of others, even if they belong to the same group or organization.  Using that train of thought, the taliban members that killed those school kids were acting on their own and the taliban as an organization had nothing to do with it and aren't in any way responsible for the actions of those that killed those kids.  In this country, accessory to murder is a crime as is conspiracy to commit murder.  How do you separate those that ordered the killings from those that carried out the killings?? 

Do you have an analogy that isn't apples and oranges? I have one. It's the Sarah Palin/Gabby Giffords shooting. Were you at the forefront of accusing her and the tea party of being responsible, or were you (rightfully) telling liberals to shut it?

I've never heard Sarah Palin or anyone associated with any US political party advocate or call for violence (other than War).  I've never heard Sarah Palin or any US political party member say "Burn this Bitch Down" or any other calls for violence.  Indeed it has been just the opposite.  I don't see the connection.  Anyway, what I'm trying to determine is how does anyone separate those that call for violence from those that actually perform the violence that is being called for?  Is the mob boss that orders a murder just as responsible for that crime as the person that commits the murder?  Are gang leaders that advocate violence from the gang members just as responsible for the violent acts of the gang members? 

Should have read a bit before posting.

Quincy seems to have a willy for Mrs. Palin.

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Quincy why don't you tell us why your more informed than a grand jury, internal affairs, eye witnesses etc. 

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Dude u need a hobby! I could start a topic on baking cupcakes and u would be able to turn it political. U would get into a 5 person debate and argue for ten pages on where u think cocoa was originated from.  Then after page six Obama would come into play and be blamed for something and next u know we got a dozen pages of nothing.

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Ninteen arrests, kinda makes profiling easy, which is the number this kid had.

If you think the crime rate in the black community is equal to the crime rate in the non black community, and its just cops profiling and picking on the colored folks than I have no response or arguement to make with that logic.

I am not a racist by stating simple facts, nor is a cop a racist when he defends himself against an attack, and the attacker happens to be colored.

It only makes profiling easy if you know what a person with 19 arrests looks like. If I showed you pictures of 1000 people, could you tell me those that have 5+ arrests?

What is a "black community"? I would suggest the crime rate in a low income community isn't equal to the crime in a high income community, regardless of the color of the skin of the offenders. Perhaps you should contemplate why you think it's the color of skin that matters in terms of crime and not another aspect of the community.

It can be, however, racist to attempt to use facts to correlate that a specific person is part of those statistics. This is what caused the prosecution towards the Duke lacrosse players, the GZ arrest, and all sorts of studies that indicate officers will shoot black people quicker in simulations.

Statistics 05.

If you took 50 random black pictures and 50 random white pictures and you picked soley out of the black pictures statistics say you would be more right than if you picked only out of the white pictures.

 

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Your ignorance is showing again.  I do realize that to the untrained eye any hold around the neck is a "choke hold", but there are a couple of take down methods that require what looks like a "choke hold" if you know no better.  Garner was not choked by the police.   Only the ignorant think so.

Cut the bullshit... he's not hugging him here.

Looks similar to...

What did this fella die from 05?

I gurantee you if you where in each of those to holds you would know a clear difference.

Quincy have you ever put on a badge and walked out a door to protect and serve?

You may be the exception but most people bitching about cops will never put themselves in a position of risking their life to protect someone they have never met.
 
Go walk a beat in some of these communities and then come back and spout off.

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Can you pick the liberal?

Sexist profiling.

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Dude u need a hobby! I could start a topic on baking cupcakes and u would be able to turn it political. U would get into a 5 person debate and argue for ten pages on where u think cocoa was originated from.  Then after page six Obama would come into play and be blamed for something and next u know we got a dozen pages of nothing.

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Ninteen arrests, kinda makes profiling easy, which is the number this kid had.

If you think the crime rate in the black community is equal to the crime rate in the non black community, and its just cops profiling and picking on the colored folks than I have no response or arguement to make with that logic.

I am not a racist by stating simple facts, nor is a cop a racist when he defends himself against an attack, and the attacker happens to be colored.

It only makes profiling easy if you know what a person with 19 arrests looks like. If I showed you pictures of 1000 people, could you tell me those that have 5+ arrests?

What is a "black community"? I would suggest the crime rate in a low income community isn't equal to the crime in a high income community, regardless of the color of the skin of the offenders. Perhaps you should contemplate why you think it's the color of skin that matters in terms of crime and not another aspect of the community.

It can be, however, racist to attempt to use facts to correlate that a specific person is part of those statistics. This is what caused the prosecution towards the Duke lacrosse players, the GZ arrest, and all sorts of studies that indicate officers will shoot black people quicker in simulations.

Statistics 05.

If you took 50 random black pictures and 50 random white pictures and you picked soley out of the black pictures statistics say you would be more right than if you picked only out of the white pictures.

Sorry for being the ONLY person on here posting about the "politics" of this.

Go to Minot Christmas shopping for a few hours and she revs up a bit.

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Maybe old Al can call the cops to protect him.
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you win... you're right, cops suck... I wanna follow your plan, what is it???

please explain the land of quincy system and how it would work without the human suck element... 

Bad cops would get fired, kind of like how any other job works when you don't follow policy, lie, use force above what is needed, etc.

How about we commend and promote good cops while getting rid of the bad ones? Is that so hard to implement?

Why are police on such a high pedastal that anything they do is defended? I've mentioned Akai Gurley multiple times here and yet no one has had the gall to say anything about him. Did he deserve to die? What crime was he commiting? Is saying that officer should be (minimally) fired "throwing cops under the bus"?

How about any cop that has had multiple complaints filed against them? Multiple lawsuits brought up against them in which the city/county/state had to settle? Shouldn't the bar be set higher for those we trust our lives with?

Hell, at least shitty politicians can be impeached. If Nixon was a cop, he would have received a medal for what he did and not exposed as the crook he was.

SHAZAMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!

I AGREE WITH EVERY WORD IN THIS POST... 

now, in quincyland, how do you/we get rid of the unions... you realize they are the ones standing behind the killer cops... there are a lot of bad apples out there, unless they pay union dues right??? I'm assuming the teachers will not be unionized either... don't want any bad teachers, or tenured professors defended by them either... 5 complaints and you're done...

interesting how the people who claim to stand for the common man are so confused in this case... 

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the guy that said burn this bitch down? 
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  Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

What the hell does Nixon have to do with anything? Do you remember a guy named Constantine, he has about as much to do with this crap as Nixon. Congrats.

Where did Obama or other leadership call for violence. GIVE SPECIFICS. I want to see specific statements of specific acts of violence that were called on. Then once you have that proven, you can point out where this asshole was specifically using those calls for violence when he shot the cops. You're so effing certain of all this it shouldn't be hard. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

Who is the leader of the protestors that called for violence that you are talking about?

That guy is a politician?

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kdm Said:
 
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  Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

What the hell does Nixon have to do with anything? Do you remember a guy named Constantine, he has about as much to do with this crap as Nixon. Congrats.

Where did Obama or other leadership call for violence. GIVE SPECIFICS. I want to see specific statements of specific acts of violence that were called on. Then once you have that proven, you can point out where this asshole was specifically using those calls for violence when he shot the cops. You're so effing certain of all this it shouldn't be hard. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

Who is the leader of the protestors that called for violence that you are talking about?

The original question was how does anyone separate leaders who advocate violence from the members who commit the violence? I would say they are both guilty and just as bad. I was more so trying to figure out what that question had to do with anything. I guess. 

It's getting so watered down with superfluous questions I had to go back and look.  Can you answer this for me BTR as I'm unable to come up with a logical answer.

The leader of the protesters is of no consequence to the question I asked.  

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How in the hell does saying they are going to do a federal investigation correlate into calls for violence??????
 They should have told people to wait for the evidence from the grand jury.  We remember the liars who said he had his hands up and said don't shoot.  Holder went to Ferguson.  He should not have cast doubt upon the integrity of the police.  He and Obama should have kept their mouth shut.  They gave the people reason to doubt.
And if you can profile "criminals" based on looks alone, props to you. The other 99.99999999999999% of us can't.
 I think you may be part of the .001 that can't do it.  It's more like 99.99 can.  Law enforcement had special training for it.  The reason people were upset was because it worked.  People like you at an airport would have no idea if they should search the guy with a turban screaming Allah Akbar or the 80 year old Jewish grandmother in a wheel chair.  Picking the right one would be profiling, but you admitted you can't do it.



The cop that put a chokehold on Garner should be fired at the least.

Your ignorance is showing again.  I do realize that to the untrained eye any hold around the neck is a "choke hold", but there are a couple of take down methods that require what looks like a "choke hold" if you know no better.  Garner was not choked by the police.   Only the ignorant think so.


This reminded me of something. Thankfully, I haven't heard Christians complaining about the 'War on Christmas" this year as much as they usually do. http://www.fishingbuddy.com/class/view/forms/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_up.gif

Speaking of trolls looking for an argument.  Right now were more worried about the murder of Christians around the world. 

You don't say? They are worried about something important! Yes, Humans being murdered sucks.

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Exactly  

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you win... you're right, cops suck... I wanna follow your plan, what is it???

please explain the land of quincy system and how it would work without the human suck element... 

Bad cops would get fired, kind of like how any other job works when you don't follow policy, lie, use force above what is needed, etc.

How about we commend and promote good cops while getting rid of the bad ones? Is that so hard to implement?

Why are police on such a high pedastal that anything they do is defended? I've mentioned Akai Gurley multiple times here and yet no one has had the gall to say anything about him. Did he deserve to die? What crime was he commiting? Is saying that officer should be (minimally) fired "throwing cops under the bus"?

How about any cop that has had multiple complaints filed against them? Multiple lawsuits brought up against them in which the city/county/state had to settle? Shouldn't the bar be set higher for those we trust our lives with?

Hell, at least shitty politicians can be impeached. If Nixon was a cop, he would have received a medal for what he did and not exposed as the crook he was.

SHAZAMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!

I AGREE WITH EVERY WORD IN THIS POST... 

now, in quincyland, how do you/we get rid of the unions... you realize they are the ones standing behind the killer cops... there are a lot of bad apples out there, unless they pay union dues right??? I'm assuming the teachers will not be unionized either... don't want any bad teachers, or tenured professors defended by them either... 5 complaints and you're done...

interesting how the people who claim to stand for the common man are so confused in this case... 

Neat

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Quincy, out of the several comments I have offfered please address this one if you would.

Sitting in a theater watching a premier of some blockbuster and someone suddenly yells fire.

People look around, but no one really moves cause who actually is stupid enough to yell fire in a crowded movie theater right.

Then a second person sets off a couple smoke bombs and rolls them down the aisles. A few people stand up but there were enough that saw what happened and still no real panic.

Then a third person intentionally and with evil intent sets off the fire alarm and suddenly someone panics and soon every one is screaming in the smoke filled room and suddenly people are being trampled to get out of the theater and a young girl is killed. 

Who is responsible?

Each act in and of itself alone likely would not have caused that girls death, but put them all together and who is to be held responsible?


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