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  Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

What the hell does Nixon have to do with anything? Do you remember a guy named Constantine, he has about as much to do with this crap as Nixon. Congrats.

Where did Obama or other leadership call for violence. GIVE SPECIFICS. I want to see specific statements of specific acts of violence that were called on. Then once you have that proven, you can point out where this asshole was specifically using those calls for violence when he shot the cops. You're so effing certain of all this it shouldn't be hard. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

Who is the leader of the protestors that called for violence that you are talking about?

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Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

You know the whole "members" aspect kind of separates out your comparison with what actually happened here. Again, what specific group was this guy a part of? What is their name? When did they meet? Member list?

So to expand on your terrible Nixon analogy, who specifically asked this specific person to commit the act of violence he did?

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the guy that said burn this bitch down? 

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  Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

What the hell does Nixon have to do with anything? Do you remember a guy named Constantine, he has about as much to do with this crap as Nixon. Congrats.

Where did Obama or other leadership call for violence. GIVE SPECIFICS. I want to see specific statements of specific acts of violence that were called on. Then once you have that proven, you can point out where this asshole was specifically using those calls for violence when he shot the cops. You're so effing certain of all this it shouldn't be hard. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

Who is the leader of the protestors that called for violence that you are talking about?

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This reminded me of something. Thankfully, I haven't heard Christians complaining about the 'War on Christmas" this year as much as they usually do. 


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we have 1 man with dozens of arrests accidently killed while being arrested for more illegal activity... we have another man, also with a long sheet, who shot his girlfriend, executed the 2 cops, then himself... 

summary - one individual accidently killed by cops - 3 people executed, another recovering from an attempted 4th murder, and more cops recovering from beatings during riots... 

going forward, the residents of nyc will pay more (overtime) for less security (2 officers per patrol car = less patrol cars)... the more vulnerable citizens of their city are in more danger now than they were last week... 

mission accomplished??? 

What illegal activity was Garner being arrested for? The cops weren't looking for him for something specific FYI.

 
BTW, what was Akai Gurley doing that was illegal when he was shot in NY?

There have been a total of 2 officers shot on-duty since 2011. How many civilians have been killed by police?

No, mission not accomplished based on your cherry picking of specific assholes. How many innocent protestors were beatin by cops the last few months? How many wrongful arrests were done in Ferguson to protestors and the press?

Jesus guys, one can be pro-police and still not be so effing blind to the fact there are bad apples out there.

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the guy that said burn this bitch down? 

What group was he the leader of? And what did he say about the ex-girlfriend that caused her to be shot?

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  Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

What the hell does Nixon have to do with anything? Do you remember a guy named Constantine, he has about as much to do with this crap as Nixon. Congrats.

Where did Obama or other leadership call for violence. GIVE SPECIFICS. I want to see specific statements of specific acts of violence that were called on. Then once you have that proven, you can point out where this asshole was specifically using those calls for violence when he shot the cops. You're so effing certain of all this it shouldn't be hard. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

Who is the leader of the protestors that called for violence that you are talking about?

The original question was how does anyone separate leaders who advocate violence from the members who commit the violence?

It's getting so watered down with superfluous questions I had to go back and look.  Can you answer this for me BTR as I'm unable to come up with a logical answer.

The leader of the protesters is of no consequence to the question I asked.  

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The original question was how does anyone separate leaders who advocate violence from the members who commit the violence?

It's getting so watered down with superfluous questions I had to go back and look.  Can you answer this for me BTR as I'm unable to come up with a logical answer.

The leader of the protesters is of no consequence to the question I asked.  

Since you acknowledge this is off topic. You seperate them based on charges of specific actions and specific orders. Those that conspire for violence and those that carry out that violence. Vague claims don't qualify as specific orders. Being an accessory or conspiracy charges are quite strict. The first amendment protects quite a bit, fortunately.

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According to the New York Post the protest leadership exists as De-blasio is meeting with them.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/19/de-blasio-meets-with-protest-leaders/

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Well quin,do a little home work,get your facts right before spouting off,Garner was illegally selling lucies and reported by store keepers,not a 1st time offender either and he didn't need to resist ,as in most of these cases if these folks would walk the straight line or at least do what they were told by authority we would'nt have these issues.

As far as how many protesters were beat,I suspect only the ones that needed it and/or resisted.

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According to the New York Post the protest leadership exists as De-blasio is meeting with them.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/19/de-blasio-meets-with-protest-leaders/

Okay, which one of them specifically told Brinsley to kill an officer?

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How in the hell does saying they are going to do a federal investigation correlate into calls for violence??????
 They should have told people to wait for the evidence from the grand jury.  We remember the liars who said he had his hands up and said don't shoot.  Holder went to Ferguson.  He should not have cast doubt upon the integrity of the police.  He and Obama should have kept their mouth shut.  They gave the people reason to doubt.
And if you can profile "criminals" based on looks alone, props to you. The other 99.99999999999999% of us can't.
 I think you may be part of the .001 that can't do it.  It's more like 99.99 can.  Law enforcement had special training for it.  The reason people were upset was because it worked.  People like you at an airport would have no idea if they should search the guy with a turban screaming Allah Akbar or the 80 year old Jewish grandmother in a wheel chair.  Picking the right one would be profiling, but you admitted you can't do it.



The cop that put a chokehold on Garner should be fired at the least.

Your ignorance is showing again.  I do realize that to the untrained eye any hold around the neck is a "choke hold", but there are a couple of take down methods that require what looks like a "choke hold" if you know no better.  Garner was not choked by the police.   Only the ignorant think so.


This reminded me of something. Thankfully, I haven't heard Christians complaining about the 'War on Christmas" this year as much as they usually do. http://www.fishingbuddy.com/class/view/forms/fckeditor/editor/images/smiley/msn/thumbs_up.gif

Speaking of trolls looking for an argument.  Right now were more worried about the murder of Christians around the world. 

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we have 1 man with dozens of arrests accidently killed while being arrested for more illegal activity... we have another man, also with a long sheet, who shot his girlfriend, executed the 2 cops, then himself... 

summary - one individual accidently killed by cops - 3 people executed, another recovering from an attempted 4th murder, and more cops recovering from beatings during riots... 

going forward, the residents of nyc will pay more (overtime) for less security (2 officers per patrol car = less patrol cars)... the more vulnerable citizens of their city are in more danger now than they were last week... 

mission accomplished??? 

What illegal activity was Garner being arrested for? The cops weren't looking for him for something specific FYI.

 
BTW, what was Akai Gurley doing that was illegal when he was shot in NY?

There have been a total of 2 officers shot on-duty since 2011. How many civilians have been killed by police?

No, mission not accomplished based on your cherry picking of specific assholes. How many innocent protestors were beatin by cops the last few months? How many wrongful arrests were done in Ferguson to protestors and the press?

Jesus guys, one can be pro-police and still not be so effing blind to the fact there are bad apples out there.

#1 - suspicion of selling single non taxed cigs...

#2 - the specific assholes I was referring to are the ones involved starting with garner...

I guess if there are no limits in time frame, why do you suppose cops were initially hired in the first place??? to entice law abiding citizens in to bad behavior so they could abuse them??? 

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Well quin,do a little home work,get your facts right before spouting off,Garner was illegally selling lucies and reported by store keepers,not a 1st time offender either and he didn't need to resist ,as in most of these cases if these folks would walk the straight line or at least do what they were told by authority we would'nt have these issues.

As far as how many protesters were beat,I suspect only the ones that needed it and/or resisted.

Try again. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner#Background

On July 17, 2014, at 4:45 p.m., Eric Garner was approached by a plainclothes police officer, Justin Damico, in front of a beauty supply store at 202 Bay Street in the Tompkinsville neighborhood in Staten Island. According to bystanders, including Ramsey Orta, a friend of Garner's who videotaped the incident,[3][49]Garner broke up a fight prior to his death, which may have drawn Orta's and Officer Daniel Pantaleo's attention to him.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/staten-island-man-dies-puts-choke-hold-article-1.1871486
Ramsey Orta, 22, who shot the video, tried to intervene, telling the cops his friend had just broken up a fight between three men and had not been selling cigarettes

Perhaps you should have done your homework ;)

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The original question was how does anyone separate leaders who advocate violence from the members who commit the violence?

It's getting so watered down with superfluous questions I had to go back and look.  Can you answer this for me BTR as I'm unable to come up with a logical answer.

The leader of the protesters is of no consequence to the question I asked.  

Since you acknowledge this is off topic. You seperate them based on charges of specific actions and specific orders. Those that conspire for violence and those that carry out that violence. Vague claims don't qualify as specific orders. Being an accessory or conspiracy charges are quite strict. The first amendment protects quite a bit, fortunately.

I'm still wondering if you think that the leadership of a group or organization that calls for violence is just as responsible as the person that carries out the violent act?  We could discuss specific statements or actions all day.  If I was interested in that I would have become a lawyer.  

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 They should have told people to wait for the evidence from the grand jury.  We remember the liars who said he had his hands up and said don't shoot.  Holder went to Ferguson.  He should not have cast doubt upon the integrity of the police.  He and Obama should have kept their mouth shut.  They gave the people reason to doubt.

Doubt doesn't equal calls for violence. Buzz... try again.

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 I think you may be part of the .001 that can't do it.  It's more like 99.99 can.  Law enforcement had special training for it.  The reason people were upset was because it worked.  People like you at an airport would have no idea if they should search the guy with a turban screaming Allah Akbar or the 80 year old Jewish grandmother in a wheel chair.  Picking the right one would be profiling, but you admitted you can't do it.

Which one is the cop killer?

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Your ignorance is showing again.  I do realize that to the untrained eye any hold around the neck is a "choke hold", but there are a couple of take down methods that require what looks like a "choke hold" if you know no better.  Garner was not choked by the police.   Only the ignorant think so.

Cut the bullshit... he's not hugging him here.

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According to the New York Post the protest leadership exists as De-blasio is meeting with them.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/19/de-blasio-meets-with-protest-leaders/

Okay, which one of them specifically told Brinsley to kill an officer?

What if they all did because they all advocated violence against the police??  Then what??

That's my original question.  Are they to be held responsible just like the guy that pulled the trigger??

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#1 - suspicion of selling single non taxed cigs...

#2 - the specific assholes I was referring to are the ones involved starting with garner...

I guess if there are no limits in time frame, why do you suppose cops were initially hired in the first place??? to entice law abiding citizens in to bad behavior so they could abuse them??? 

#1 Not based on reasonable suspicion. Charges dropped. Next

#2. Still cherry picking fyi.

No, but it sure seems that is the reason some get into the profession. Hey, how is Peter Liang doing? Does he still have your back or should he get thrown under the bus?

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  What if they all did because they all advocated violence against the police??  Then what??

That's my original question.  Are they to be held responsible just like the guy that pulled the trigger??

Then it should be really, really easy for you to find a statement such as that. I'm waiting.

If they specifically told the shooter to kill an officer, yes. If not, not.

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Can you pick the liberal?

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  What if they all did because they all advocated violence against the police??  Then what??

That's my original question.  Are they to be held responsible just like the guy that pulled the trigger??

Then it should be really, really easy for you to find a statement such as that. I'm waiting.

If they specifically told the shooter to kill an officer, yes. If not, not.

Keep waiting.  The investigation will figure it out for both of us.

Thanks for answering my question.  Whew, I need a beer after all that.

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Thanks for answering my question.  Whew, I need a beer after all that.

Have two for the both of us.

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Can you pick the liberal?

Yeah, I'm not sure why conservatives insist on using liberal logic to attack leftists right now. Shouldn't we be better rather than conform?

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 That would be 4 by my count and OK.  Sounds reasonable.

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horrible technique in the top pick.  He needs to get his left hand on his bicep and use to gain leverage than the fool will quit resisting.  Im not a cop lover but these are pretty cut and dried cases. Just listen and you would still be alive its as simple as that.  if im a cop in ny im carrying non issue and bustin caps at any thing that looks hostile. My life or there life i want mine f them. 

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Your ignorance is showing again.  I do realize that to the untrained eye any hold around the neck is a "choke hold", but there are a couple of take down methods that require what looks like a "choke hold" if you know no better.  Garner was not choked by the police.   Only the ignorant think so.

Cut the bullshit... he's not hugging him here.

Looks similar to...

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horrible technique in the top pick.  He needs to get his left hand on his bicep and use to gain leverage than the fool will quit resisting.  Im not a cop lover but these are pretty cut and dried cases. Just listen and you would still be alive its as simple as that.  if im a cop in ny im carrying non issue and bustin caps at any thing that looks hostile. My life or there life i want mine f them. 

That's a scary attitude. Why should cops be above the law? If you're that worried about dying in a region that has had two on-duty officers killed in the last 4 years, perhaps you should find a different job, for your sake and the sake of those your supposed to be protecting.

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Looks similar to...

Your right it looks similar enough to fool the fool. 

johnr isn't liberal logic an oxymoron?   Lets see now Oxy means pointed, sharp, acute etc sooooooo moron must mean liberal right?

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