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Yep head of the thug life party dawg. 

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the guy that said burn this bitch down? 
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  Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

What the hell does Nixon have to do with anything? Do you remember a guy named Constantine, he has about as much to do with this crap as Nixon. Congrats.

Where did Obama or other leadership call for violence. GIVE SPECIFICS. I want to see specific statements of specific acts of violence that were called on. Then once you have that proven, you can point out where this asshole was specifically using those calls for violence when he shot the cops. You're so effing certain of all this it shouldn't be hard. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

Who is the leader of the protestors that called for violence that you are talking about?

That guy is a politician?

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  Do you remember a guy by the name of Nixon??  

So now we've gone from leadership who calls for violence isn't responsible for the actions of the members to I should now be afraid of my own govt. figures because of what I think or say?  Boy you are really stretching here Quin.  I think you might need to answer my original questions here or take you keyboard and go home.    

What the hell does Nixon have to do with anything? Do you remember a guy named Constantine, he has about as much to do with this crap as Nixon. Congrats.

Where did Obama or other leadership call for violence. GIVE SPECIFICS. I want to see specific statements of specific acts of violence that were called on. Then once you have that proven, you can point out where this asshole was specifically using those calls for violence when he shot the cops. You're so effing certain of all this it shouldn't be hard. I'm not going to hold my breath though.

Obviously you can't answer the question and tell me how you separate the leadership of an organization or group that calls for violence and the members who carry it out.

Nixon didn't commit the actual criminal act, but asked others to do it for him.  Now do you get it??

I answered you question about Nixon,  now It's your turn.    

Who is the leader of the protestors that called for violence that you are talking about?

The original question was how does anyone separate leaders who advocate violence from the members who commit the violence? I would say they are both guilty and just as bad. I was more so trying to figure out what that question had to do with anything. I guess. 

It's getting so watered down with superfluous questions I had to go back and look.  Can you answer this for me BTR as I'm unable to come up with a logical answer.

The leader of the protesters is of no consequence to the question I asked.  

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That's what we do now.  Unfortunately we get unqualified people like you watching a snapshot and passing judgment.  I have 27 years in law enforcement and would have no problem working for the internal affairs that Hollywood always makes look like the bad guys.  What's your qualifications?

More of that liberal mentality of guilty until proven innocent.  The criminals think the same when it comes to police.  Officers who just go with the flow often get along great, but those who do the job they are hired for are often the brunt of law suites.  For the underinformed liberal a complaint does not equate to a conviction.  A good police man or woman with ten years of experience is going to have multiple complaints.  A kiss up not so much. 

No, that's not what we do now. It may be what we attempt to do now, but it isn't what happens in practice. The police unions have this country by the balls. Even those that do get fired, appeal (WTF) and are given their jobs back by arbitrators who are nothing more than retired cops. I wish I could have a gig like that.

As for guilty until proven innocent. That's bullshit. If I get so many complaints at my job I get fired. This isn't criminal court here, but rather doing a good job. There doesn't inherently need to be charges, but if someone is doing things not according to policy, and having complaints filed against them, they should be gone. For the uninformed pro-cop, head in the sand attitude; complaints aren't crimincal charges. They don't go by the metric of innonent until guilty.

Officers that do the job they are supposed to do are not subject to multiple lawsuits. This is such a ridiculous statement I don't know how to respond... If a doctor effs up and kills your wife, should he not be fired, disbarred, etc? Do just shrug your shoulders, say "shucks, he's still innocent" or would you be upset? Lawsuits that pay out settlements should be very indicative of an officer and their respect for the laws and policies they have to follow.

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This is the furthest I'm going to venture into this topic.  Quincy, quit using wikipedia as your source.  It can be customized by the public and therefore does not constitute a reliable source.  Good day everyone. 

HAHAHAHAHA, just stop all together.

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Comprehension of reading is a plus in these discussions 05.

Basic writing skills is a requirement in these discussions gst.

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Who is saying they shouldn't?

Fired and convicted of murder are two pretty different things.

Strung up or shot in the head is even more of a difference.

Damn near everyone on here suggests that the protesters are completely wrong and have no basis because Garner resisted arrest. This isn't even touching the Brown/Wilson case.

How about Gurley and Liang? Should he be fired at minimum? Yes or no?

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So 05 who do you think was "responsible" for flying those airplanes into the towers?

Clearly someones rhetoric contributed to that act.

You mean the people that were part of an organization and were told to do it while getting money and orders from the organization? Yeah, they were by themselves and just did it on rhetoric.

Wow, you guys are amazing.

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Should have read a bit before posting.

Quincy seems to have a willy for Mrs. Palin.

Nah, I have a willy for the rampant hypocrisy by those on the right.

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Quincy why don't you tell us why your more informed than a grand jury, internal affairs, eye witnesses etc. 

The grand juries in these cases were bullshit.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson/

If you don't understand that, basically it says for civilians there is a 99%+ charge rate, for cops it's almost the opposite. That the grand jury didn't come back in either case is more indicative of a poor/corrupt prosecutor then a fault of them.

And eye witnesses are contradictory in both Brown and Garner.

And internal affairs hasn't even had an investigation yet. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/12/10/nypds-internal-affairs-questions-officer-involved-in-eric-garner-death/

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Statistics 05.

If you took 50 random black pictures and 50 random white pictures and you picked soley out of the black pictures statistics say you would be more right than if you picked only out of the white pictures.

You should give your money back if you took a statistics class...

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What did this fella die from 05?

I gurantee you if you where in each of those to holds you would know a clear difference.

Quincy have you ever put on a badge and walked out a door to protect and serve?

You may be the exception but most people bitching about cops will never put themselves in a position of risking their life to protect someone they have never met.
 
Go walk a beat in some of these communities and then come back and spout off.

Neck and chest conpression.

No, I haven't put on a badge, but I have interacted with police. If not wearing a badge means I can't criticize, I sure as shit will call you out on any effing comment about Obama from now on.

That's the problem, there those that aren't risking their lifes to protect. These are the first two cops that have died on duty in NYC. That's not really risking their lifes much, eh? The guys in the oil fields have a much worse record then that and yet people don't advocate for them. And who in the hell were these guys protecting by harrassing Garner? No one.

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SHAZAMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!

I AGREE WITH EVERY WORD IN THIS POST... 

now, in quincyland, how do you/we get rid of the unions... you realize they are the ones standing behind the killer cops... there are a lot of bad apples out there, unless they pay union dues right??? I'm assuming the teachers will not be unionized either... don't want any bad teachers, or tenured professors defended by them either... 5 complaints and you're done...

interesting how the people who claim to stand for the common man are so confused in this case... 

How do we get rid of the unions? By not immediately running to the protection of police when something bad happens would be a start. The fact that the knee jerk reaction to this already is to put bullet proof glass on ALL cars in NYC shows how much of an uphill battle it is. Radley Balko does an excellent job highlighting the bad cops and discussing reforms. It may happen, but it will take more people than just those that are upset about Brown and Wilson. Protests for people like Gurley would help, as would those for any person that is killed by police while suicidal. Highlighting the cases in which a death arises from incompetence would be great to protest.

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Quincy, out of the several comments I have offfered please address this one if you would.

Sitting in a theater watching a premier of some blockbuster and someone suddenly yells fire.

People look around, but no one really moves cause who actually is stupid enough to yell fire in a crowded movie theater right.

Then a second person sets off a couple smoke bombs and rolls them down the aisles. A few people stand up but there were enough that saw what happened and still no real panic.

Then a third person intentionally and with evil intent sets off the fire alarm and suddenly someone panics and soon every one is screaming in the smoke filled room and suddenly people are being trampled to get out of the theater and a young girl is killed. 

Who is responsible?

Each act in and of itself alone likely would not have caused that girls death, but put them all together and who is to be held responsible?


Hahaha, are you suggesting that those three people were acting independently?? This is a terrible hypothetical because it is out of the realm of possibility if your assumption is they are independent. In all likelyhood they would be working together and all three would be charged together.

Again, if you think the protestors and vocal public officials should be criminally charged, you have no basic understanding of the first amendment and how it relates to situations like this.

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google -  youtube paul harvey policeman


Google: Youtube honoryouroath

Check out the idiot officers that have no basic understanding of the law and constitution they are supposed to protect. And this is mostly just in Florida, I shutter to think what would happen in ND. Wait, I don't have to... http://watchdog.org/155817/north-dakota-stenehjem/

Who wants to bet that officer still has a job?

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Who is saying they shouldn't?

Fired and convicted of murder are two pretty different things.

Strung up or shot in the head is even more of a difference.

Damn near everyone on here suggests that the protesters are completely wrong and have no basis because Garner resisted arrest. This isn't even touching the Brown/Wilson case.

How about Gurley and Liang? Should he be fired at minimum? Yes or no?

Quincy, please show where anyone on here has said a cop that repeatedly crosses a line should not be dealt with properly.

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So 05 who do you think was "responsible" for flying those airplanes into the towers?

Clearly someones rhetoric contributed to that act.

You mean the people that were part of an organization and were told to do it while getting money and orders from the organization? Yeah, they were by themselves and just did it on rhetoric.

Wow, you guys are amazing.

If you do not understand the power of "rhetoric" in the actions of a fundametalist radical jihadist.......................THAT is "amazing.

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Should have read a bit before posting.

Quincy seems to have a willy for Mrs. Palin.

Nah, I have a willy for the rampant hypocrisy by those on the right.

And yet you claim others are "hyper partisan".

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Statistics 05.

If you took 50 random black pictures and 50 random white pictures and you picked soley out of the black pictures statistics say you would be more right than if you picked only out of the white pictures.

You should give your money back if you took a statistics class...

explain how that was wrong.

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 just think all of this could be avoided if people would just follow simple instructions. would the one clown been shot if he didnt attack the cop?  would have fat albert been chocked out if he would have listened?

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Quincy, please show where anyone on here has said a cop that repeatedly crosses a line should not be dealt with properly.

So the officer that was involved in Garner's death, what should happen to him? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner#Daniel_Pantaleo

Already has had two lawsuits against him, a federal investigation, a grand jury hearing, and possibly a 3rd lawsuit. This is in the last 2 years. Should he keep his job?

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And yet you claim others are "hyper partisan".

Have you not noticed how this entire thread I've railed against the left for doing the exact same thing? The left wrongfully did it against Palin and the tea party and the right are wrongfullly doing it now. I'm not the one trying to make my side seem kosher with crappy excuses.

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 Imagine that the criminals were white in these cases, we would not even be discussing this. 

Neat

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If you do not understand the power of "rhetoric" in the actions of a fundametalist radical jihadist.......................THAT is "amazing.

If you do not understand the difference between "rhetoric" and "actively recruiting, training, financing, and ordering"..... that is mind boggling....

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should garner have resisted? 

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Quincy, please show where anyone on here has said a cop that repeatedly crosses a line should not be dealt with properly.

So the officer that was involved in Garner's death, what should happen to him? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner#Daniel_Pantaleo

Already has had two lawsuits against him, a federal investigation, a grand jury hearing, and possibly a 3rd lawsuit. This is in the last 2 years. Should he keep his job?

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And yet you claim others are "hyper partisan".

Have you not noticed how this entire thread I've railed against the left for doing the exact same thing? The left wrongfully did it against Palin and the tea party and the right are wrongfullly doing it now. I'm not the one trying to make my side seem kosher with crappy excuses.

No, the thread is now about what an idiot you are.

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If you do not understand the power of "rhetoric" in the actions of a fundametalist radical jihadist.......................THAT is "amazing.

If you do not understand the difference between "rhetoric" and "actively recruiting, training, financing, and ordering"..... that is mind boggling....

I guess you don't understand the organizational and funding role of the neo Anarchists behind this nonsense as well as Occupy?

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What did this fella die from 05?

I gurantee you if you where in each of those to holds you would know a clear difference.

Quincy have you ever put on a badge and walked out a door to protect and serve?

You may be the exception but most people bitching about cops will never put themselves in a position of risking their life to protect someone they have never met.
 
Go walk a beat in some of these communities and then come back and spout off.

Neck and chest conpression.

No, I haven't put on a badge,
but I have interacted with police. If not wearing a badge means I can't criticize, I sure as shit will call you out on any effing comment about Obama from now on.

That's the problem, there those that aren't risking their lifes to protect. These are the first two cops that have died on duty in NYC. That's not really risking their lifes much, eh? The guys in the oil fields have a much worse record then that and yet people don't advocate for them. And who in the hell were these guys protecting by harrassing Garner? No one.

Quincy you really have to read a bit more than wiki.
 

The autopsy from the medical examiner attributed his death to homicide – meaning death at the hands of another party, not murder, in medical parlance – and stated that he died thanks to “Compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” But the autopsy further noted that Garner died thanks to acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity, and heart disease.

Quincy certainly "interacting" with cops makes you an expert.

 
Please explain ot us how you would deal with a 400 lb man who has a long record of arrests that has told you messin with him "ends here" .
 
You are now comparing work related accidents (oil field) to intentional actions meant to harm someone?

Put on a badge quincy and respond to a call in some of these neighborhoods and see how "safe" you feel.

 
Quincy, I wonder if it were "sconis" that had multiple arrests for an action if you would consider the actions taken against them "harrassing".
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 Imagine that the criminals were white in these cases, we would not even be discussing this. 

Yeah, it's a shame that white folks don't protest the abuses of police too.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/26/helmet-video-of-albuquerque-cops-shootin

http://kdvr.com/2014/11/29/watch-utah-police-cleared-in-shooting-of-unarmed-white-man/

Plenty of cases are around to use for reform. It's a shame that the most vocal use the wrong cases (Brown, Trayvon).

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Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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 just think all of this could be avoided if people would just follow simple instructions. would the one clown been shot if he didnt attack the cop?  would have fat albert been chocked out if he would have listened?

So you cowtow to any order a cop gives? Again, what if he tells you to do something illegal or what if his order is illegal?

If the story by Garner's friend is correct, the cops had no probable cause to search Garner, let alone attempt to arrest him.

Due process exists for everyone, not just the bad cops you guys are so hell bent on defending.

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 No, the thread is now about what an idiot you are.

And apparently you're an asshole. Congrats, want a cookie?

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