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your missing the small things but thats my bad for not posting a full size pic.  Anderson has the body triangle and look where the elbows are.  as it looks the cop has a poor grasp on his left hand. need some work on their jits 

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as much as i dont like the spider he does show proper technique.

Classic Fight: Anderson Silva vs. Dan Henderson @ UFC 82 [FULL VIDEO]

Forearm on throat, hands grasp together for leverage... yep...

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I thought we were all color blind............... I didnt know the cop assulted "two black guys" last year, didnt think color mattered.
Are you implying the cop is racist?

Color is a descriptor. Would you be upset if I said "he assaulted two males" and claim I was saying he was sexist? Cut the crap.

I wasnt upset, just surprised you identified their color, thats all. I read your statement to mean that the cop who took down a black guy named Garner was profiling blacks cause he assulted "two black guys" last year. The color of a person has moved way past being a descriptor. Probably wasnt your intent, but you identified them as "blacks", which leads to profiling suspician, which leads to everyone calling BS,
which leads to you saying thats not what you meant, which leads to a FOB post record eventually. Yes, identifig them as males is way more appropriate in todays world, and no I would not claim you are a sexist. Just keep race out of the equation at all times, its just be practice.
This is a big circle jerk, quit feeding the flames. I am trying to cut  you some slack dude.

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the govt does not decide 12 of your peers do 

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unions do suck i will give you that.  Cameras and all that also good as the he said she said bull shit wont fly.  i would take the minimum sentence deal as long as for 1st degree murders and rapist and any cruel shit done to kids types die post haste.  preferably with a .22 back of the head standing in a hole with a back hoe waiting to push dirt in.

Before I would agree with you, but recently I'm of the opinion that I don't trust the government to decide this. I don't trust them with basic money management, why would I trust them with someone's life?

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But you already apologized for trying to put me in that group, so why bring it up again?

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Decisions rooted in emotion allow folks like you to use buzz words like "cop hater" in order to diminish the argument in favor of reform.

I didn't do that either.


 

I was illustrating that I didn't bring you up in the group that thought about my intelligence, like you said. See: "I didn't roll you into a group about my intelligence FYI, I rolled you into the group that assumed I'm a "cop hater" because of your weak attempt at framing my arguments." Why did you take a snippet of the entire sentence?

Statements which include "I want" or "I think" are wrought with emotion and not bounded in facts. You can want in one hand and defecate in the other, one will fill, one will not. One is fact, the other, emotion.

No, you are absolutly and incredibly wrong on this account. Statements such as those are agnostic as to the basis of them. Saying "I think the sky is blue" can be based on emotion or facts. If I say "I want water", it can be based on my happiness of the fluid or my acceptence of the FACT that it is necessary to continue living. You can't make a determination based on my usage of that verb

Find me any sort of defition of "to want" or "think" that implies emotion every time. You will find you are mistaken.

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your missing the small things but thats my bad for not posting a full size pic.  Anderson has the body triangle and look where the elbows are.  as it looks the cop has a poor grasp on his left hand. need some work on their jits 

Anderson is also putting the choke on Dan Henderson, someone who is roughly 200 lbs lighter and (I would guess) a few inches shorter. Forgive me if the Garner image doesn't equate perfectly.

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the govt does not decide 12 of your peers do 

Not all the time ;)

And the government makes the determination on who to charge, what evidence to show, what to share with the defense, etc. They are far more intertwined in the process than just 12 folks. (This doesn't take into account appeals).

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I wasnt upset, just surprised you identified their color, thats all. I read your statement to mean that the cop who took down a black guy named Garner was profiling blacks cause he assulted "two black guys" last year. The color of a person has moved way past being a descriptor. Probably wasnt your intent, but you identified them as "blacks", which leads to profiling suspician, which leads to everyone calling BS,
which leads to you saying thats not what you meant, which leads to a FOB post record eventually. Yes, identifig them as males is way more appropriate in todays world, and no I would not claim you are a sexist. Just keep race out of the equation at all times, its just be practice.
This is a big circle jerk, quit feeding the flames. I am trying to cut  you some slack dude.

Fair enough. Black dudes was just the first thing that came to mind after reading his background again.

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so your blaming the cops bad technique on garner being fat?  what now you dont like fat people 

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your missing the small things but thats my bad for not posting a full size pic.  Anderson has the body triangle and look where the elbows are.  as it looks the cop has a poor grasp on his left hand. need some work on their jits 

Anderson is also putting the choke on Dan Henderson, someone who is roughly 200 lbs lighter and (I would guess) a few inches shorter. Forgive me if the Garner image doesn't equate perfectly.

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so your blaming the cops bad technique on garner being fat?  what now you dont like fat people 

At leat I got you to admit he was choking him with bad technique ;)

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quincy, so the rhetoric of the police caused some of their own to be killed? do you think that the liberal politicians that decided to tax cigarettes, then telling cops to enforce taxation to the point were they are going into stores daily to make sure all cigs are taxed are actually the cause of garner killed?  

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I would imagine not one of those protestors calling for dead cops would have the spine to accept responsibility when someone else actually did it.

Kinda like spouting off from behind a computer.

Once again you try to infer something was being said that simply wasnot. Please show where anyone has said sharpton was calling for people to kill cops.

You do not seem to be able to follow a simple step by step trail.

Had the likes of Sharpton and Jackson not been fanning the flames in the manner they had attracting national TV would there have been protests were people WERE calling for dead cops?

It appears you have no understanding of causation or correlation.

Been interesting, got ot go feed cows and head back to the big city.

Take a step back quincy and actually read and think for a bit.

That's too convienent though. I blame the protestors without any evidence but they are too cowardly to admit they were wrong. Without evidence their actions are to cause, why would they have to admit to being at fault? This is similar to the attitude the protesters have by saying that all cops are racist.
 
I'm inferring things being said because your allusion to those things is so thick I'm getting stuck in it.

Had the police not insisted that everyone listen to their illegal orders, black folks like Garner would not resist when accosted. Ergo, the rhetoric of police has caused the deaths of police....

If only the police wouldn't use such inflamatory words, none of this would have happened.

I have a complete understanding of correlation and causation. I think you should study it a bit more.

Hope you cows are doing good. Drive safe if you have to travel, kind of a shitty day out this morning. Take care of yourself!!!

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quincy, so the rhetoric of the police caused some of their own to be killed? do you think that the liberal politicians that decided to tax cigarettes, then telling cops to enforce taxation to the point were they are going into stores daily to make sure all cigs are taxed are actually the cause of garner killed?

Oooh, good point. The politicians crafted the law on cigarettes. -> The Attorney General in the 60s said they were bad for you. -> The cigarette companies for years prior ignored data suggesting that -> Soldiers were encouraged to smoke during the great wars -> etc. etc. etc. -> American indians first started using tobacco in religious and medical practices...

Eureka, it's the Indians that killed Garner. I mean if we're blaming rhetoric and all.

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 If I say "I want water", it can be based on my happiness of the fluid or my acceptence of the FACT that it is necessary to continue living. You can't make a determination based on my usage of that verb.

Then the correct term would be "NEED", not want.  Needs are provable and factual.  Wants are abstract emotion.

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 If I say "I want water", it can be based on my happiness of the fluid or my acceptence of the FACT that it is necessary to continue living. You can't make a determination based on my usage of that verb.

Then the correct term would be "NEED", not want.  Needs are provable and factual.  Wants are abstract emotion.

No, saying "I want water" is completely different than "I want water" and yet they can both have a basis on the same thing. Nice try, you're still completely and utterly incorrect.

"To want" indicates a desire. It doesn't indicate what that desire is predisposed on.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/want

If I state "I have a want", what does that indicate?

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All we have is a video that actually shows very little of what is happening.  If you look at the policeman's right arm you will notice he isn't using it for leverage to choke, so the left arm is simply used to pull him down. 
The grand jury had evidence far beyond anyone on this site yet your sure he is guilty.  You are operating on the same hatred the Ferguson rioters operated on.  Guilt until proven innocent, and I mean the cop since you couldn't even get that straight last time I made that point.
The line?  The line was crossed by Garner when he refused to follow orders.  You brought up, what if the cop gives illegal orders.  Why bring that up, since the cop didn't give illegal orders?  Your operating like the little neighbor girl when her mother asked what she was crying about.  She said the cat was looking at her.  The mother says we don't have a cat.  The little girl says ya, but what if we did? 

The grand jury not having their history also happens often in criminal court.  If a man is accused of robbing a bank, but he was picked up for something totally unrelated the history will be often be suppressed.  After all it's the current incident were interested in, unless your bias and just want a shot at an innocent police officer. 

If you look at his hands, you can see them grasp together, that is using leverage for the hold.  Add to that the hold was banned through department policy, he was sued last year over civil rights abuses; it leads me to believe that he shouldn't be allowed to continue being a NYPD officer. This is completely INDEPENDENT of the grand jury decision.

The cop did give illegal orders. He had no basis to arrest Garner. Selling untaxed cigarettes is a misdemeaner. Even if they had probable cause to confront Garner (have yet to see they did if the friend was correct), the subsequent use of force was still not warranted based on the crime at hand.

Your little girl analogy is flawed. Please tell me why the officers needed to arrest him that instance. Please tell me where there warrant was to search him. The officers had nothing and accosted him because he didn't lock step.

But, hey, let's ignore Garner. What crime did Gurley commit? Also, what crime was Garner convicted of before he was killed? Seems to me you're also assuming guilty until innocent, we're just looking at different players ;)

Quincy I really do wonder about your baseless hate for police.

And I wonder about your baseless hate for farmers.... good lord I thought we were over this crap...

How about the fact that he was convicted 31 times and was a member of organized crime?  Does that matter?  I'm sure not in your mind.




BREAKING: NYPD Confirms #EricGarner Was A Member of Organized Crime in Staten Island
DECEMBER 3, 2014 BY CHARLES C. JOHNSON 344 COMMENTS

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Eric Garner

NYPD sources confirm that Eric Garner was a player in an organized crime cigarette smuggling syndicate, Gotnews.com has learned.

Staten Island arrested Garner many times for smuggling untaxed cigarettes.

“Local merchants had long complained about him,” says John Cardillo, a former member of the NYPD who maintains connections with the department.

Other NYPD sources pointed out that Garner had 31 arrests, beginning when he was 16.

“Garner was setting up shop in front of the local stores and shaking down business owners and patrons as they entered,” says Cardillo.

Garner would use his considerable size to strong arm largely ethnic shopkeepers and was “on the radar” of local law enforcement who had arrested him previously.

“They were looking at him to see who his suppliers were,”

Untaxed cigarette smuggling across state lines is a multi-billion illegal trade. Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms has partnered up with Phillip Morris to help stop it.

Garner was facing three misdemeanor cases prior to his death, according to the Staten Island press.

Garner, 43, gave cops a phony name and put himself in more hot water when officers allegedly found untaxed cigarettes and a small amount of marijuana in the 1998 Lincoln Navigator he was driving, the complaint said.

He was charged with aggravated unlicensed vehicle operation, false personation, possession or sale of untaxed cigarettes and marijuana possession, according to information from District Attorney Daniel Donovan’s office.

Seven months later, while out on $1,000 bail, Garner was busted on March 28 for allegedly selling unstamped cigarettes on the street outside of 200 Bay St., Tompkinsville. He had 24 packs of untaxed smokes in his possession, police said.

The location is next door to 202 Bay St., where the fatal confrontation occurred Thursday between cops and Garner.

Garner was charged with a misdemeanor count of violating the cigarette and tobacco products tax and posted $1,000 bail, online state court records show.

Garner was arrested again on May 7 on Victory Boulevard and St. Marks Place, Tompkinsville. The site is across the block from Bay Street.

Cops accused him of possessing six packs of untaxed cigarettes.

Garner last appeared in court to answer the three cases on July 2. The matters were all adjourned then to Oct. 7, online state court records show.

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 My only question is why didn't he just break his neck?

 

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Labhunter good information you dug up there.  I don't think Quincy cares though.  He can't because he had more knowledge than anyone about this, and still talks about the "bad cop".   I think I detect something in his call for:
 

Start with repealing minimum sentancing laws, and minor infractions for drugs.
 

So Quincy did a "bad cop" pinch you for a minor drug infraction? 

So you have been arrested a couple of dozen times and the cop tells you to put your hands behind your back.  You don't so it's somehow the cops fault when you are hurt.  Maybe the cop held him down every day and shoved food into his face.  Na couldn't be his fat a$$ fault.  The entire incident all comes back on Garner himself.  You would think he would know what to do since he evidently has experience. 

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No, saying "I want water" is completely different than "I want water" and yet they can both have a basis on the same thing. 

You said the same thing twice here, what are you getting at?

It must really suck to be so friendless and needy so as to have to seek out folks you know won't like you and interact with them.


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Start with repealing minimum sentancing laws, and minor infractions for drugs. 


Now we know why you don't like the current systems, they don't allow you the freedom to legally chemically abuse yourself.

Here's that "Think" word again.

I don't think there is anything minor about any drug law infractions.  I think drugs are destructive and indicative of one who feels the need to live a deviant lifestyle.  I think they are damaging physically, emotionally, spiritually, and especially financially.

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Therein lies the rub.  You don't know.  You weren't there.  You don't have any relevant information regarding video or transcripts of the proceedings.  You're disagreeing based on emotion, not facts.

Decisions rooted in emotion and not facts all too often leave their owner in an untenable position.  Isolated in their belief that their opinions/thoughts/beliefs are the sum-total of what can be true.  It would not surprise me to learn that you spend an inordinate amount of time wondering why that independent of the group you find yourself surrounded by, everyone else is always so wrong.

Decisions rooted in emotion are what entails folks like you to say that cops aren't safe. 

I didn't say that.

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Decisions rooted in emotion allow folks like you to lay blame on protestors and reformers like myself. 

I didn't do that.

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Decisions rooted in emotion allow folks like you to use buzz words like "cop hater" in order to diminish the argument in favor of reform.

I didn't do that either.

Jeepers, it seems like you're trying to blame me for things I haven't said lump me into a group in which I don't belong.  You're emotions must be getting the better of you because you're sure not allowing facts to get in the way.

05 hs done that all thru out this discussion. He tells people to quit "speculating" yet rampantly does that very thing along with making crap up.

If I recall (not going ot take the time to go back and check) was Quincy jumping in speculating on the EPA actions in a couple cases in a previous thread? (a welder in Wy building a pond  if I recall)
 
Apparently he thinks the EPA fellas are a bit more pure than the police.


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How about the fact that he was convicted 31 times and was a member of organized crime?  Does that matter?  I'm sure not in your mind.

BREAKING: NYPD Confirms #EricGarner Was A Member of Organized Crime in Staten Island
DECEMBER 3, 2014 BY CHARLES C. JOHNSON 344 COMMENTS

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Eric Garner

NYPD sources confirm that Eric Garner was a player in an organized crime cigarette smuggling syndicate, Gotnews.com has learned.

Staten Island arrested Garner many times for smuggling untaxed cigarettes.

“Local merchants had long complained about him,” says John Cardillo, a former member of the NYPD who maintains connections with the department.

Other NYPD sources pointed out that Garner had 31 arrests, beginning when he was 16.

“Garner was setting up shop in front of the local stores and shaking down business owners and patrons as they entered,” says Cardillo.

Garner would use his considerable size to strong arm largely ethnic shopkeepers and was “on the radar” of local law enforcement who had arrested him previously.

“They were looking at him to see who his suppliers were,”

Untaxed cigarette smuggling across state lines is a multi-billion illegal trade. Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms has partnered up with Phillip Morris to help stop it.

Garner was facing three misdemeanor cases prior to his death, according to the Staten Island press.

Garner, 43, gave cops a phony name and put himself in more hot water when officers allegedly found untaxed cigarettes and a small amount of marijuana in the 1998 Lincoln Navigator he was driving, the complaint said.

He was charged with aggravated unlicensed vehicle operation, false personation, possession or sale of untaxed cigarettes and marijuana possession, according to information from District Attorney Daniel Donovan’s office.

Seven months later, while out on $1,000 bail, Garner was busted on March 28 for allegedly selling unstamped cigarettes on the street outside of 200 Bay St., Tompkinsville. He had 24 packs of untaxed smokes in his possession, police said.

The location is next door to 202 Bay St., where the fatal confrontation occurred Thursday between cops and Garner.

Garner was charged with a misdemeanor count of violating the cigarette and tobacco products tax and posted $1,000 bail, online state court records show.

Garner was arrested again on May 7 on Victory Boulevard and St. Marks Place, Tompkinsville. The site is across the block from Bay Street.

Cops accused him of possessing six packs of untaxed cigarettes.

Garner last appeared in court to answer the three cases on July 2. The matters were all adjourned then to Oct. 7, online state court records show.

Past crimes don't warrant probable cause all the time. As for Charles Johnson...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

You brought one of the least credible assholes here as an attempt for evidence. And people here think Wiki is bad...

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 My only question is why didn't he just break his neck?

Too weak?

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Labhunter good information you dug up there.  I don't think Quincy cares though.  He can't because he had more knowledge than anyone about this, and still talks about the "bad cop".   I think I detect something in his call for

Good lord. Just because he wasn't indicted, doesn't mean he was a good cop.

And if you think Charles Johnson is "good information" you guys are all way too effing gone for this to matter at all.

The guy is a fucking lunatic. Take Alex Jones, slap vast right-wing conspiracy on him, conflate his ego 10 fold, and you get this asshole name Charles Johnson. I would accept a link from the brotherhood of Police before something from him.

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So Quincy did a "bad cop" pinch you for a minor drug infraction? 

So you have been arrested a couple of dozen times and the cop tells you to put your hands behind your back.  You don't so it's somehow the cops fault when you are hurt.  Maybe the cop held him down every day and shoved food into his face.  Na couldn't be his fat a$$ fault.  The entire incident all comes back on Garner himself.  You would think he would know what to do since he evidently has experience. 

No, haven't been arrested. I know bad policy when I see it.

So you've been arrested a couple times, are sitting at the end of the bar. Cop comes up to you and tells you you are under arrest for drunk driving and grabs you by the neck. What do you do? His prior arrests aren't a basis for probable cause. Yes, he knew what was going on, that's why he was sick of it. BTW, for you and asshole Charles Johnson, arrests don't equal convictions. It may ultimately be the case, but it's poor journalism conflating the two.

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All we have is a video that actually shows very little of what is happening.  If you look at the policeman's right arm you will notice he isn't using it for leverage to choke, so the left arm is simply used to pull him down. 
The grand jury had evidence far beyond anyone on this site yet your sure he is guilty.  You are operating on the same hatred the Ferguson rioters operated on.  Guilt until proven innocent, and I mean the cop since you couldn't even get that straight last time I made that point.
The line?  The line was crossed by Garner when he refused to follow orders.  You brought up, what if the cop gives illegal orders.  Why bring that up, since the cop didn't give illegal orders?  Your operating like the little neighbor girl when her mother asked what she was crying about.  She said the cat was looking at her.  The mother says we don't have a cat.  The little girl says ya, but what if we did? 

The grand jury not having their history also happens often in criminal court.  If a man is accused of robbing a bank, but he was picked up for something totally unrelated the history will be often be suppressed.  After all it's the current incident were interested in, unless your bias and just want a shot at an innocent police officer. 

If you look at his hands, you can see them grasp together, that is using leverage for the hold.  Add to that the hold was banned through department policy, he was sued last year over civil rights abuses; it leads me to believe that he shouldn't be allowed to continue being a NYPD officer. This is completely INDEPENDENT of the grand jury decision.

The cop did give illegal orders. He had no basis to arrest Garner. Selling untaxed cigarettes is a misdemeaner. Even if they had probable cause to confront Garner (have yet to see they did if the friend was correct), the subsequent use of force was still not warranted based on the crime at hand.

Your little girl analogy is flawed. Please tell me why the officers needed to arrest him that instance. Please tell me where there warrant was to search him. The officers had nothing and accosted him because he didn't lock step.

But, hey, let's ignore Garner. What crime did Gurley commit? Also, what crime was Garner convicted of before he was killed? Seems to me you're also assuming guilty until innocent, we're just looking at different players ;)

Quincy I really do wonder about your baseless hate for police.

And I wonder about your baseless hate for farmers.... good lord I thought we were over this crap...

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 You said the same thing twice here, what are you getting at?

It must really suck to be so friendless and needy so as to have to seek out folks you know won't like you and interact with them.

Seriously, you are wrong so you become an asshole about it? That's pretty "enlightened" of you...

It's basic English. You're conflating "subjective" and "objective" for "want" and "need". That's not correct.

Subjective: I like cheese.
Objecive: Cheese is a dairy product.

Not subjective or objective: I want cheese.

Do you understand the difference? Saying "I think" is a basis of opinion. That opinion could have a basis in fact or some made up thought I have. Simply saying "I think" doesn't preclude either of them and you would have to see the rest of the statement to make a verification. Such as "I think the moon is cheese" versus "I think that cheese is a dairy product".

Do you care to drop your attempt at schooling me?

Now we know why you don't like the current systems, they don't allow you the freedom to legally chemically abuse yourself.

Here's that "Think" word again.

I don't think there is anything minor about any drug law infractions.  I think drugs are destructive and indicative of one who feels the need to live a deviant lifestyle.  I think they are damaging physically, emotionally, spiritually, and especially financially.

Ah, but the system does currently allow you to do that. You guys discuss that all the time here. The only difference is that I understand the arbitrary metrics of alcohol versus other minor drugs.

Good to see you also "think". Does that mean those thoughts aren't based on facts?? ;)

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Yep ;)

Yep. ;)

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05 hs done that all thru out this discussion. He tells people to quit "speculating" yet rampantly does that very thing along with making crap up.

If I recall (not going ot take the time to go back and check) was Quincy jumping in speculating on the EPA actions in a couple cases in a previous thread? (a welder in Wy building a pond  if I recall)
 
Apparently he thinks the EPA fellas are a bit more pure than the police.

And you keep spouting shit without backing it up. Quit making claims if you don't have the evidence to validate them. You're conflating the tea pot theory with reality. Saying there isn't a magical tea pot orbiting the sun isn't speculation.

I don't recall saying anything of the sort about the EPA, especially if it paints them in a better light then the police. The EPA should be disbanded.

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Go back to my first post I always said he was choking him I was questioning the bad technique. If he would have done it right garner might have went to sleep and not.had his heart explode.  

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so your blaming the cops bad technique on garner being fat?  what now you dont like fat people 

At leat I got you to admit he was choking him with bad technique ;)

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Quincy 05 expert on
1. Choke holds,
2. Grand juries
3. 1st amendment rights
4. what cops deal with on a daily basis
5. correlation and causation
6. 911
7. bad cops
8. saying things that just aren;t so
9. puncuation
10. just about everything.

Almost like you guys around here thinking you're experts on...
1. Police procedures
2. Human psycology
3. Grand juries
4. Probable cause
5. Drug use
6. Criminal behaviors
7. Profiling
8. Punctuation*
9. Spelling (See #8)
10. Just about everything else

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All we have is a video that actually shows very little of what is happening.  If you look at the policeman's right arm you will notice he isn't using it for leverage to choke, so the left arm is simply used to pull him down. 
The grand jury had evidence far beyond anyone on this site yet your sure he is guilty.  You are operating on the same hatred the Ferguson rioters operated on.  Guilt until proven innocent, and I mean the cop since you couldn't even get that straight last time I made that point.
The line?  The line was crossed by Garner when he refused to follow orders.  You brought up, what if the cop gives illegal orders.  Why bring that up, since the cop didn't give illegal orders?  Your operating like the little neighbor girl when her mother asked what she was crying about.  She said the cat was looking at her.  The mother says we don't have a cat.  The little girl says ya, but what if we did? 

The grand jury not having their history also happens often in criminal court.  If a man is accused of robbing a bank, but he was picked up for something totally unrelated the history will be often be suppressed.  After all it's the current incident were interested in, unless your bias and just want a shot at an innocent police officer. 

If you look at his hands, you can see them grasp together, that is using leverage for the hold.  Add to that the hold was banned through department policy, he was sued last year over civil rights abuses; it leads me to believe that he shouldn't be allowed to continue being a NYPD officer. This is completely INDEPENDENT of the grand jury decision.

The cop did give illegal orders. He had no basis to arrest Garner. Selling untaxed cigarettes is a misdemeaner. Even if they had probable cause to confront Garner (have yet to see they did if the friend was correct), the subsequent use of force was still not warranted based on the crime at hand.

Your little girl analogy is flawed. Please tell me why the officers needed to arrest him that instance. Please tell me where there warrant was to search him. The officers had nothing and accosted him because he didn't lock step.

But, hey, let's ignore Garner. What crime did Gurley commit? Also, what crime was Garner convicted of before he was killed? Seems to me you're also assuming guilty until innocent, we're just looking at different players ;)

Quincy I really do wonder about your baseless hate for police.

And I wonder about your baseless hate for farmers.... good lord I thought we were over this crap...

Quincy 05 expert on
1. Choke holds,
2. Grand juries
3. 1st amendment rights
4. what cops deal with on a daily basis
5. correlation and causation
6. 911
7. bad cops
8. saying things that just aren;t so
9. puncuation
10. just about everything.

11. EBT cards because this clown sure does not work...and would last about a week if he did find a job.

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So you've been arrested a couple times, are sitting at the end of the bar. Cop comes up to you and tells you you are under arrest for drunk driving and grabs you by the neck.
 
What do you do?
 

Never happens.  You have to be in your car.  Also, if he told me to turn around and put my hands behind my back, that's what I would do and sort the rest out later.  No neck grabbing. 

His prior arrests aren't a basis for probable cause. Yes, he knew what was going on, that's why he was sick of it. BTW, for you and asshole Charles Johnson, arrests don't equal convictions. It may ultimately be the case, but it's poor journalism conflating the two.

Everyone knows arrests don't equal conviction.   Now your an expert on probable cause?  Tell us about it.

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Go back to my first post I always said he was choking him I was questioning the bad technique. If he would have done it right garner might have went to sleep and not.had his heart explode. 

Fair enough, I missed your post.

The choke is against policy, so he should be fired. Hope you agree.

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your missing the small things but thats my bad for not posting a full size pic.  Anderson has the body triangle and look where the elbows are.  as it looks the cop has a poor grasp on his left hand. need some work on their jits 

Anderson is also putting the choke on Dan Henderson, someone who is roughly 200 lbs lighter and (I would guess) a few inches shorter. Forgive me if the Garner image doesn't equate perfectly.

One question you never addressed 05. If YOU were responsible for subduing a 400 lb man who had made threatening statements exactly how would you go about it?

The image doesn;t equate perfectly because the "choke hold" is not any where's close to the same effect or severity.

Quincy have someone that knows a little something put you in a choke hold similar to the one pictured from MMA and see how many times you can say "I can;t breathe".

Hint: why do you think people tap instead of saying I quit.

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Quincy05 Said:

gst Said:
Quincy 05 expert on
1. Choke holds,
2. Grand juries
3. 1st amendment rights
4. what cops deal with on a daily basis
5. correlation and causation
6. 911
7. bad cops
8. saying things that just aren;t so
9. puncuation
10. just about everything.

Almost like you guys around here thinking you're experts on...
1. Police procedures
2. Human psycology
3. Grand juries
4. Probable cause
5. Drug use
6. Criminal behaviors
7. Profiling
8. Punctuation*
9. Spelling (See #8)
10. Just about everything else

11. Recognizing online idiots with spelling, logic and hate issues.

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Plainsman Said:
Never happens.  You have to be in your car.  Also, if he told me to turn around and put my hands behind my back, that's what I would do and sort the rest out later.  No neck grabbing. 

Great, have fun spending money in the court system. Hope you find a sympathetic jury or a city that wishes to settle.

Worked for this lady. http://nypost.com/2014/12/12/tea-party-mom-wins-1-12m-for-false-prosecut...

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gst Said:
Quincy 05 expert on
1. Choke holds,
2. Grand juries
3. 1st amendment rights
4. what cops deal with on a daily basis
5. correlation and causation
6. 911
7. bad cops
8. saying things that just aren;t so
9. puncuation
10. just about everything.

Almost like you guys around here thinking you're experts on...
1. Police procedures
2. Human psycology
3. Grand juries
4. Probable cause
5. Drug use
6. Criminal behaviors
7. Profiling
8. Punctuation*
9. Spelling (See #8)
10. Just about everything else

11. Recognizing online idiots with spelling, logic and hate issues.

You're right, GST missed that one for my list. Thought I wouldn't call you guys idiots, or say you have racial hate issues.

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One question you never addressed 05. If YOU were responsible for subduing a 400 lb man who had made threatening statements exactly how would you go about it?

The image doesn;t equate perfectly because the "choke hold" is not any where's close to the same effect or severity.

Quincy have someone that knows a little something put you in a choke hold similar to the one pictured from MMA and see how many times you can say "I can;t breathe".

Hint: why do you think people tap instead of saying I quit.

Probably with a Taser. Or I would contemplate why I was using force on someone that was a suspect for a misdemeanor.

I could probably say it a few times. But if you note in the actual video, he doesn't say anything until the hold is released. At that point the "chest compression" aspect comes in to play. (see: autopsy).

People tap because it's a hell of a lot more obvious. Why do they still tap when they are in a non-choke submission?

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All we have is a video that actually shows very little of what is happening.  If you look at the policeman's right arm you will notice he isn't using it for leverage to choke, so the left arm is simply used to pull him down. 
The grand jury had evidence far beyond anyone on this site yet your sure he is guilty.  You are operating on the same hatred the Ferguson rioters operated on.  Guilt until proven innocent, and I mean the cop since you couldn't even get that straight last time I made that point.
The line?  The line was crossed by Garner when he refused to follow orders.  You brought up, what if the cop gives illegal orders.  Why bring that up, since the cop didn't give illegal orders?  Your operating like the little neighbor girl when her mother asked what she was crying about.  She said the cat was looking at her.  The mother says we don't have a cat.  The little girl says ya, but what if we did? 

The grand jury not having their history also happens often in criminal court.  If a man is accused of robbing a bank, but he was picked up for something totally unrelated the history will be often be suppressed.  After all it's the current incident were interested in, unless your bias and just want a shot at an innocent police officer. 

If you look at his hands, you can see them grasp together, that is using leverage for the hold.  Add to that the hold was banned through department policy, he was sued last year over civil rights abuses; it leads me to believe that he shouldn't be allowed to continue being a NYPD officer. This is completely INDEPENDENT of the grand jury decision.

The cop did give illegal orders. He had no basis to arrest Garner. Selling untaxed cigarettes is a misdemeaner. Even if they had probable cause to confront Garner (have yet to see they did if the friend was correct), the subsequent use of force was still not warranted based on the crime at hand.

Your little girl analogy is flawed. Please tell me why the officers needed to arrest him that instance. Please tell me where there warrant was to search him. The officers had nothing and accosted him because he didn't lock step.

But, hey, let's ignore Garner. What crime did Gurley commit? Also, what crime was Garner convicted of before he was killed? Seems to me you're also assuming guilty until innocent, we're just looking at different players ;)

Quincy I really do wonder about your baseless hate for police.

And I wonder about your baseless hate for farmers.... good lord I thought we were over this crap...

How about the fact that he was convicted 31 times and was a member of organized crime?  Does that matter?  I'm sure not in your mind.

BREAKING: NYPD Confirms #EricGarner Was A Member of Organized Crime in Staten Island
DECEMBER 3, 2014 BY CHARLES C. JOHNSON 344 COMMENTS

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Eric Garner

NYPD sources confirm that Eric Garner was a player in an organized crime cigarette smuggling syndicate, Gotnews.com has learned.

Staten Island arrested Garner many times for smuggling untaxed cigarettes.

“Local merchants had long complained about him,” says John Cardillo, a former member of the NYPD who maintains connections with the department.

Other NYPD sources pointed out that Garner had 31 arrests, beginning when he was 16.

“Garner was setting up shop in front of the local stores and shaking down business owners and patrons as they entered,” says Cardillo.

Garner would use his considerable size to strong arm largely ethnic shopkeepers and was “on the radar” of local law enforcement who had arrested him previously.

“They were looking at him to see who his suppliers were,”

Untaxed cigarette smuggling across state lines is a multi-billion illegal trade. Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms has partnered up with Phillip Morris to help stop it.

Garner was facing three misdemeanor cases prior to his death, according to the Staten Island press.

Garner, 43, gave cops a phony name and put himself in more hot water when officers allegedly found untaxed cigarettes and a small amount of marijuana in the 1998 Lincoln Navigator he was driving, the complaint said.

He was charged with aggravated unlicensed vehicle operation, false personation, possession or sale of untaxed cigarettes and marijuana possession, according to information from District Attorney Daniel Donovan’s office.

Seven months later, while out on $1,000 bail, Garner was busted on March 28 for allegedly selling unstamped cigarettes on the street outside of 200 Bay St., Tompkinsville. He had 24 packs of untaxed smokes in his possession, police said.

The location is next door to 202 Bay St., where the fatal confrontation occurred Thursday between cops and Garner.

Garner was charged with a misdemeanor count of violating the cigarette and tobacco products tax and posted $1,000 bail, online state court records show.

Garner was arrested again on May 7 on Victory Boulevard and St. Marks Place, Tompkinsville. The site is across the block from Bay Street.

Cops accused him of possessing six packs of untaxed cigarettes.

Garner last appeared in court to answer the three cases on July 2. The matters were all adjourned then to Oct. 7, online state court records show.

I wonder if quincy "wants" to have an "acceptance" of facts like those needed to carry on an informed dialogue or if he just wantss to keep making things up? ;)

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11. EBT cards because this clown sure does not work...and would last about a week if he did find a job.

I'll be happy to use my EBT card to buy you a new hood... since there is no way you like minorities...

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gst Said:
I wonder if quincy "wants" to have an "acceptance" of facts like those needed to carry on an informed dialogue or if he just wantss to keep making things up? ;)

My effing irony meter just broke...

Do you make a habit of referencing the National Inquirer when you have a discussion?

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How about the fact that he was convicted 31 times and was a member of organized crime?  Does that matter?  I'm sure not in your mind.

BREAKING: NYPD Confirms #EricGarner Was A Member of Organized Crime in Staten Island
DECEMBER 3, 2014 BY CHARLES C. JOHNSON 344 COMMENTS

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Eric Garner

NYPD sources confirm that Eric Garner was a player in an organized crime cigarette smuggling syndicate, Gotnews.com has learned.

Staten Island arrested Garner many times for smuggling untaxed cigarettes.

“Local merchants had long complained about him,” says John Cardillo, a former member of the NYPD who maintains connections with the department.

Other NYPD sources pointed out that Garner had 31 arrests, beginning when he was 16.

“Garner was setting up shop in front of the local stores and shaking down business owners and patrons as they entered,” says Cardillo.

Garner would use his considerable size to strong arm largely ethnic shopkeepers and was “on the radar” of local law enforcement who had arrested him previously.

“They were looking at him to see who his suppliers were,”

Untaxed cigarette smuggling across state lines is a multi-billion illegal trade. Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms has partnered up with Phillip Morris to help stop it.

Garner was facing three misdemeanor cases prior to his death, according to the Staten Island press.

Garner, 43, gave cops a phony name and put himself in more hot water when officers allegedly found untaxed cigarettes and a small amount of marijuana in the 1998 Lincoln Navigator he was driving, the complaint said.

He was charged with aggravated unlicensed vehicle operation, false personation, possession or sale of untaxed cigarettes and marijuana possession, according to information from District Attorney Daniel Donovan’s office.

Seven months later, while out on $1,000 bail, Garner was busted on March 28 for allegedly selling unstamped cigarettes on the street outside of 200 Bay St., Tompkinsville. He had 24 packs of untaxed smokes in his possession, police said.

The location is next door to 202 Bay St., where the fatal confrontation occurred Thursday between cops and Garner.

Garner was charged with a misdemeanor count of violating the cigarette and tobacco products tax and posted $1,000 bail, online state court records show.

Garner was arrested again on May 7 on Victory Boulevard and St. Marks Place, Tompkinsville. The site is across the block from Bay Street.

Cops accused him of possessing six packs of untaxed cigarettes.

Garner last appeared in court to answer the three cases on July 2. The matters were all adjourned then to Oct. 7, online state court records show.

Past crimes don't warrant probable cause all the time. As for Charles Johnson...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

You brought one of the least credible assholes here as an attempt for evidence. And people here think Wiki is bad...

Quincy simple question. What in the post was not factual?

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Considering you guys are just resorting back to your elementary school insults. Perhaps it's best I bow out, so none of you have a heart attack from exertion.

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 You said the same thing twice here, what are you getting at?

It must really suck to be so friendless and needy so as to have to seek out folks you know won't like you and interact with them.

Seriously, you are wrong so you become an asshole about it? That's pretty "enlightened" of you...

It's basic English. You're conflating "subjective" and "objective" for "want" and "need". That's not correct.

Subjective: I like cheese.
Objecive: Cheese is a dairy product.

Not subjective or objective: I want cheese.

Do you understand the difference? Saying "I think" is a basis of opinion. That opinion could have a basis in fact or some made up thought I have. Simply saying "I think" doesn't preclude either of them and you would have to see the rest of the statement to make a verification. Such as "I think the moon is cheese" versus "I think that cheese is a dairy product".

Do you care to drop your attempt at schooling me?

Now we know why you don't like the current systems, they don't allow you the freedom to legally chemically abuse yourself.

Here's that "Think" word again.

I don't think there is anything minor about any drug law infractions.  I think drugs are destructive and indicative of one who feels the need to live a deviant lifestyle.  I think they are damaging physically, emotionally, spiritually, and especially financially.

Ah, but the system does currently allow you to do that. You guys discuss that all the time here. The only difference is that I understand the arbitrary metrics of alcohol versus other minor drugs.

Good to see you also "think". Does that mean those thoughts aren't based on facts?? ;)

Quincy I am real curious to your answer to this one question.

How much smarter do you think you are than everyone else on this site?

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Quincy simple question. What in the post was not factual?

No idea, I don't trust it to be. Would you trust an article from Sharpton about the officer if I posted it? I highly doubt it. Hell you guys don't even like Wiki because you think it's biased. NEWS FLASH, any asshole can make a blog, if you worried about anyone editing wiki.

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This is the guy you are relying on...
http://www.businessinsider.com/charles-johnson-mississippi-senate-race-m...

And this: http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/12/08/doxxing_jackie_the_vile_...

He's not the type of guy you want to put weight behind. He's the type of guy that makes right wingers call a troll.

www.businessinsider.com/charles-johnson-mississippi-senate-race-mcdaniel-cochran-2014-7

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gst Said:
Quincy 05 expert on
1. Choke holds,
2. Grand juries
3. 1st amendment rights
4. what cops deal with on a daily basis
5. correlation and causation
6. 911
7. bad cops
8. saying things that just aren;t so
9. puncuation
10. just about everything.

Almost like you guys around here thinking you're experts on...
1. Police procedures
2. Human psycology
3. Grand juries
4. Probable cause
5. Drug use
6. Criminal behaviors
7. Profiling
8. Punctuation*
9. Spelling (See #8)
10. Just about everything else

Remember here big shooter, I don;t think any one else has claimed their spelling and punctuation to be "impeccable".

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gst Said:
Quincy I am real curious to your answer to this one question.

How much smarter do you think you are than everyone else on this site?

Right now? Depends on the topic. The more you talk, I gain confidence it's quite a bit.

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Remember here big shooter, I don;t think any one else has claimed their spelling and punctuation to be "impeccable".

I was being facetious. It's a literary tool.

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