2017 Deer Hunting

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2017 Deer Hunting

I like to hunt and look at pictures on hunting buddy after deer season.  A lot of things have been boiling inside me since the 2017 ND deer season.  I am a rancher/landowner within about 35 miles of one of ND major cities.  I have never seen so many hunters in my life and so few deer.  There could have been an interstate highway sign on the road next my place for all the traffic.  I think someone was just collecting dollars.  On the land I operate part is in plots, posted and not posted.  Correct me if I am wrong, but plots lands are open to walk in access only.  Hunters can retrieve game with their vehicle given landowner permission.  Well, the ag trails on my plots lands looked like a highway after deer season and not a sole asked for permission.  I had someone drive through a closed gate on a private ag trail too.  I post the land around my ranch head quarters just to protect my cattle, buildings, etc.  One day I drove over to check cows and what did I find.  Someone without permission shot a deer from the road on my posted ground.  Opened the gate and drove past the no hunting sign and picked the poached deer up and tore out of there leaving the gate open.  About two weeks ago someone decided to throw their deer hide and carcass in the ditch at the end of my drive.  Now my dogs are dragging it all over.  Other thing I have noticed is all the garbage in the ditches since hunting has started, including a big panel tv.  I hate to say it but it is a shame a few bad apples have to have so much disrespect for landowners.  After this all my land will be posted.  Now hoping the law passes making all land posted without signing it.  After plots land contract is up it will be posted too.  All my gates will now have locks and chains.  No one will be allowed to hunt again.  Don't even ask.

 

 

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People suck its a fact of life. I don't blame you for being disgruntled by the dirtballs of the world. Living close to a major city poses its own unique set of challenges. Often hunters coming from these areas don't have respect (I'm not saying all of them). Its not always that they are trying to break the law its just simply they don't know better. They don't take the time to read up on regulations, which is no excuse its your duty to be aware of laws.

If you think the all land is considered posted law will have a positive impact on this isssue your dreamin. People will become more desperate and bend more rules because "there is no where to hunt". I honestly feel bad for the situation your in and wish people could just follow the rules. Makes hunting private ground easier for law abiding hunters. Never seems to work out that way though.

If you really want to see a postive change, we need to have stiffer penalities and actually enforce them. Neighbohring states throw the book at poachers and they have far fewer issues. Thats my 2 cents anyways

 

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who brings a tv hunting? I bet if you post your land itll solve the problem.

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Member since 11-26-17....? Must really be pissed to join and unload on people that are most likely innocent. I would put money down, and say most the people here aren't the type to be doing everything your talking about.

Post, no post, it won't matter. Ditches will still be littered in and fences and gates cut. Trespassing will continue.

The cure is for more people to get caught and made to pay the price. Putting honest hunters in the field gives more sets of eyes to help watch for the jerks out there. Game cams strategically placed on property works quite well... I've used them myself.

I see your point, but reconsider punishing the good people.

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Can’t say I blame you.  Though I’m not a landowner, Being retired I spend a lot of time helping a number of Ranchers SW of the Bis-Man area.  Been rattling around that area for 40 years and have seen a lot of changes.  What you describe is exactly what happens out in that area, too.  Poached deer from roads, opened gates, driving and hunting with no permission, vandalism, some theft, littering with crap, appliances, loads of it!  I spent two days hauling out pickup loads of ditch junk this summer, and now I can promise you EVERY gate is locked and thoroughly posted!  Even great access to heart river fishing holes that have always been open to the public for camping, fishing, picnicking, rtc. I could go on and on, but you described the problems perfectly.

I have no magic solutions other than as ND1 shot said, more aggressive reporting, more game wardens, even part time wardens increasing eyes in the field in the fall.  A good buddy suggested that responsible people thoroughly vetted, be “deputized” as volunteers to NOT have ny legal status such as writing tickets but solely to Patrol problem areas and  be equipped to take pictures, document legally what they see, be prepared and willing to,testify in court, etc.  If and when they see something bad going on, then phone the appropriate enforcement agency , G and Fish, county sheriff, etc.  

They would have NO law enforcement powers whatever, only more eyes in ththe field sworn to report and turn in any lawbreakers they run across!  Lots of sportsmen/women who are fed up with the slobs would vol7nteer!  Id be at the head of the line. Get enough eyes and ears out there and it sure couldn’t hurt!  I personally know some of,the game wardens and sherrif’s  Officers out there and they are spread really thin,  have many duties expected of them, work for relatively low pay and take a lot of,crap.  A thankless job....IMO they need all the help,they can get! 

 

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Sorry to hear about your situation. It's only getting worse because there are more people and some people are simply disgusting pigs. That's not going to change because of more laws. These idiots are already breaking many laws to begin with and further restricted law abiding citizens is not the solution. You have every right to be pissed and do what you feel you need to do to rectify the situation. IMO we have way to few law enforcement to inforce the current laws. Doesn't help when people see something being done and won't report it and see it thru to get law breakers punished. I don't know what the solution is but I know more laws are not going to help the situation.

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~~I have no magic solutions other than as ND1 shot said, more aggressive reporting, more game wardens, even part time wardens increasing eyes in the field in the fall.  A good buddy suggested that responsible people thoroughly vetted, be “deputized” as volunteers to NOT have ny legal status such as writing tickets but solely to Patrol problem areas and  be equipped to take pictures, document legally what they see, be prepared and willing to,testify in court, etc.  If and when they see something bad going on, then phone the appropriate enforcement agency , G and Fish, county sheriff, etc

 

No one need to be  " deputized " that is what RAP is for.

 

You picked up two pickup loads of garbage? Im from S.E.N.D. and I don't think a could pick up a pickup load of garbage in a yr.

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NDSportsman. wrote:

Sorry to hear about your situation. It's only getting worse because there are more people and some people are simply disgusting pigs. That's not going to change because of more laws. These idiots are already breaking many laws to begin with and further restricted law abiding citizens is not the solution. You have every right to be pissed and do what you feel you need to do to rectify the situation. IMO we have way to few law enforcement to inforce the current laws. Doesn't help when people see something being done and won't report it and see it thru to get law breakers punished. I don't know what the solution is but I know more laws are not going to help the situation.

I couldnt agree more with this statement. People see stuff happening( whether it be poaching, littering, driving off trail, etc....) and are too chicken shit to report it. I often find from my experiences after many years of witnessing first hand, it's often times the farmers/landowners neighbors and kids that are the offenders, knowing full well if they get caught, a butt chewing is usually all they are gonna get. " I want to keep good standing with my neighbor" is often their excuse for not forcing the issue and prosecuting them... Until that changes, I dont see many changes for the good....

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This is kind of interesting , I hunt about that far from a major city , mostly plots and public . I saw probably the least garbage I have ever seen this year , and it wasn't from lack of hunters .  I usually see a deer or two gutted right along side the road also , never say that either this year

Did see a couple of gutless method deer carcasses but they were at least a mile from the nearest farm or ranch

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Wby, I could post a pic or three if I were a bit more computer literate.  Actually, I lied - not pickup loads but TWO 8 by 12 foot trailer loads from two weekends, But we are close to Bis on a main county road going over the only bridge on the Heart River for a long stretch,   The slobs are funneled into our area. LOL. A rancher and I were parked talking on that particular road for about 1/2 hour on the sat nite of the second weekend of deer gun and had 16 pickups go past.  How many road hunting?  Who knows, but there are lots of dead deer found within a hundred yards of that road!  G &Fused a dummy a couple years ago and were thinking about it last fall because of so many landowner complaints. Dunno if they did or not.  

We all have RAP numbers in our cell phones and stickers on our dashes, and everyone reports everything we see. Definitely keep the wardens busy, especially during gun deer or pheasant seasons.  Still, I can’t help but think violators might be more hesitant to do nasty stuff knowing there are dedicated people out there eager to call in reinforcements!  Might make em more paranoid. The alternative is more and more locked gates and posted land.

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The obligatory "I'm posting my land because...." thread.  It's been done a time or two.....yaaaaawn

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Been there done that Jiffy.   Didn’t get tennis elbow hammering nails or a sore hand from a staple gun this year because used a screw gun and permanent signs!  Had to use BIG staples to fasten the chains for the combination padlocks though.  The combinations are only given to a few old friends of my landowner friends and a few buddies I feel are responsible. And a few for the youth deer season. 

I think what landowners are trying to get across is more respect when it comes to access, littering, road hunting, poaching, etc.  Nothing wrong with that, and from wahat I’ve seen from hunting over the past 37 years in ND I sure  agree!   Landowners need all the help they can get!  I think the bottom line of this topic is that if we outdoorspeople are not part of the solution we are part of the problem!   I’d hardly discount what disgruntled landowner and many others are trying to say.........

Next topic please.......

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I would’ve expected a better response from a Canuck.....

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Havent applied for a gun tag in about 8 years-went bow only and hunt 90% public land.What a joy it is!!! Just go and hunt!!

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Soon to be Super Bowl Champ?????

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Besides all the posted land by the owners,you got all the land off-limits because a outfitter has it leased out. 

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Jiffy. wrote:

I would’ve expected a better response from a Canuck.....

What’d ya expect!?! Educated in another shithole country!?!  Bloody Right, EH!?!  LOL

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I have to apologize for the Sh-t hole comment.  I really meant that as a joke, as Jiffy and I have been good internet buddies for years and we’ve been  joking back and forth for years, on outdoor websites and sometimes Facebook. 

When I hit the POST  button I felt guilty about it, but was overdue to pick up a disabled fellow to take fishing and didn’t have time to change it.    Was thinking I should have  immediately  changed it to “what do you expect from an Frostback Idiot educated in an ICEHOLE COUNTRY, especially around Lake Winnipeg this time of year! “ bloody rite, eh? 

That would have been more appropriate under the circumstances.  Sorry, guys.......kudus to Facebook for keeping political crap down to a bare minimum.  

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I thought it was funny....  angel