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 Vestigial organs. Think about that. 


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Which "vestigial" organs were you referring to?

the Coccyx?

The tailbone is commonly thought of as the remnant of an actual tail, left over from a time before we evolved into humans. Some describe it as a "vestigial tail," meaning it has no real purpose in our bodies. However, it does serve as an attachment site for muscles and ligaments, which makes this a misnomer. There are several muscles that attach to the tailbone, including the gluteus maximus, the levator ani, the sphincter ani externis and the coccygeus. These muscles all play important roles in standing, bowel control and pelvic floor support.

Spurs on snakes,  what you would probably say are were legs at one time?  

The femur protrudes from the snake's body and is covered by a corneal spur, which resembles a spur or claw.[1] Males' spurs are generally longer and more pointed than females', and are used for clasping and tickling during courtship and mating,[2] as well as combat with other males in some species


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 Let me put that in simple terms.  Without a coccyx you couldn't take a crap.  

What they thought were once legs are used for pleasing the lady snakes and for war with other males..  


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 Or perhaps you would have no control of WHEN you take a crap.. Hahahaha

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 Were you talking about tonsils?   I was considering having mine removed and the doctor talked me out of it..  He said they now realize that they do serve a purpose and they only remove them if they are really causing you trouble..

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If your into the "bouncing" universe theory, think about this fact. The odds of life forming again as we know it after the "bounce" is 10 to the 10th power to the 23rd power. Or in laymans terms: A 1 followed by enough 0's sized in 10 point type to fill our Galaxy. We are here by Intelligent Design.
Particle Physics tell us that the Big Bang started from a single sub atomic particle accellerated to speeds and heated beyond anything our "science" can explain. First thought is where did that single particle come from? Second is what accellerated it?
We all know that "nothing equals nothing",  So that single particle couldn't speed up on its own as there wasn't any other matter to interact with it .
Then we can go a step further. If the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into

God Knows!

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 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.   Romans 14:11

Think about that.  

 

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 thousands of newly discovered planets, newly discovered particles,

I apologize if I get this off track, but I could not pass up on this comment.  Columbus said he discovered America, and that's what our history books say too, but I'll bet a few thousand natives disagree.   My only point is don't count on them being newly discovered.  Someone else may have discovered them a long time ago.  The Universe is huge and to think we are the only ones in it is hard for me to believe.  So count me in with the group that thinks there are other life forms out there.  Nope, it doesn't conflict with the Bible for me.  I'm very certain the Bible doesn't tell us everything.  Watching people killing each other (in and out of the womb ) around the world makes me question intelligent life on this planet. 

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Plainsman... Now u got me completely perplexed. U don't believe in evolution or that the earth is 3.5 billion years old... But u believe there is life elsewhere in the universe and understand how almost infinitely vast it is? I can't understand how u can make those things jive in ur mind. So, I am starting to think I may have misread your take on evolution and/or what u meant when u mentioned that u think the bible and science will eventually agree on the age of the earth. Mind clarifying?

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The Mantis Said:
 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.   Romans 14:11

Think about that.  

 

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Dear The Mantis,

take a f-ing joke. 

Sincerely,

everyone


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                                                "The Gamble"

There was a 17th century philosopher who put it this way to his unbelieving friend "If I believe in God and life after death and you do not, and if there is no God, we both lose when we die. However, if there is a God, you still lose and I gain everything."

Science wil never be able to explain God. God is far to complex for even science to understand. It would be like trying to explain the internet to an ant. Putting your faith in science(man) takes a whole hell of lot more faith in man than I'll ever have. You can show all the evidence you want to support your theory but there are just things that "man" can't explain and one of them is Life. Multi you have yet to give one example of how "life" originated and you'll never be able to, no one can. Your argument is mute until you can come up with an answer for that one question.

 

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Seven days of banter on this post, many stupid comments, a few actually revealing Truth. During these seven days 21,000 children have been executed in the US before they even gasped their first breath of air. 
Think about it, 21,000 dead human beings in a week.

Deep down inside all of us know that this isn't right!

Do the math, its an average of 125 baby deaths per hour!
Maybe we should be speaking up for the forever silenced voices of those 21,000 babies. Remember that was the subject of this post "In the Beginning".

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espringers Said:
Plainsman... Now u got me completely perplexed. U don't believe in evolution or that the earth is 3.5 billion years old... But u believe there is life elsewhere in the universe and understand how almost infinitely vast it is? I can't understand how u can make those things jive in ur mind. So, I am starting to think I may have misread your take on evolution and/or what u meant when u mentioned that u think the bible and science will eventually agree on the age of the earth. Mind clarifying?

Simple, I think there is much we do not know.  I would be surprised if we know more than 10% of the knowledge within our small sphere of earth, and less than 1% of that contained within the universe.  I respect science because that is what I did for 36 years, yet I also see it's shortcomings.  Often things mask the answers we look for.  In wetland studies we thought we had everything down to a knats butt, but then when we collaborated with hydrologists from Denver we began to get a much more realistic picture.  Suddenly we could understand the varying conductivity readings of wetlands only yards apart and their function in the system as hydrological recharge wetlands, flow through wetlands, or hydrological discharge wetlands.

Anyway, I have read Darwin, but I have also read Darwin's Black Box by MIchael J. Behe, and other books from both sides of the argument.  There are scientists who think they have all of the answers, and the there are scientists who think they have the answers, but keep searching as if they did not.  Those are the scientists that find new answers, new breakthroughs, new frontiers, while those who think they have all the answers do not, they simply have more arrogance than answers.

Then I also read the Bible.  Which one you believe is perhaps more like a gambler who wants to lay $100 on a bet.  Do you want bet on a higher probability and a greater return, or are you a real gambler and want to choose a lower probability with little to no return?

Since you enjoy science I'll tell you a little about wetland soil core samples.  I traveled to Denver to process some with people who developed the technique.  It's easy to look at the first few feet of silt because it has occurred since agriculture.  We know that by pollen, and specifically the pollen of Chenopodium album.  After that we look at ostracods, and further we look at phytoliths.  Sort of like our appendix plants store waste in specific cells.  Those cells last for thousand of years or more and are simply crystals, but in a specific shape for each species.  Going back far enough we find phytoliths from palm trees. 

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But, u understand the universe is unthinkably huge.... Yet u don't believe the earth is 3.5 billion years old? Where do u stand on the universe being 13-14 billion years old?

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espringers Said:
But, u understand the universe is unthinkably huge.... Yet u don't believe the earth is 3.5 billion years old? Where do u stand on the universe being 13-14 billion years old?

I think that's beyond the ability for any of us to know for sure.  For example they use speed of light to test some of these things.  Does light travel at the same speed when we think of a round trip?  Some may think that is a ridiculous question, but like they say there are  no ridiculous questions.  Since we developed those first thoughts about the age of the universe we have discovered black holes.  People say gravity has no affect on light, but all of a sudden that has been turned upside down.  Black holes are black because even light can not escape their tremendous gravitational pulls.  They say that density becomes so great that a planet the size of earth pulled into it would be crushed to the size of a basketball.  This would happen because no space remains between the electrons of an atom.  So if we have a black hole one direction and we fire a laser the other it may start out at 186,000 mph, but slow to less, and speed up on the way back.  A star that we thought was a billion light years away may in fact be one thousand light years away if that light is traveling towards us, and also a black hole.  What is the limit light can accelerate to in the void of space when traveling towards a black hole?
As you can see I have a lot more questions than answers. 

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espringers Said:
But, u understand the universe is unthinkably huge.... Yet u don't believe the earth is 3.5 billion years old? Where do u stand on the universe being 13-14 billion years old?

Why? Do you believe it? Because scientists currently believe it? Do you personally have the data and evidence and intellect to understand how scientists came up with that number? Can you even fathom who's going to "check their homework" and decide if they are right or wrong? Not you I hope?

Can you think of other things the majority of scientists once believed but now do not?

I can, thousands of them. The chance that they are correct on matters as mysterious as the age of the universe are just about zero in my opinion.

I know this place is old... but how old? To believe current figures takes great faith on your part - and you can't argue that.

 

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