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I really feel bad for some of you on here. Why would an atheist or their family want his/her funeral to be held at a church, which is where a typical funeral takes place? Why would they want a funeral at all? What would be said?

Do you guys seriously believe in nothing but "science"? You've got it all figured out and don't need any spiritual guidance? Your morals just came out of thin air and were made up? Your soul isn't a unique gift that makes you who YOU are, and not like anybody else? Man oh man...

First off science isnt something you "believe in" science is a word that describes the methods we use to discover and figure things out. I don't claim to have anything figured out, especially things there is no evidence to support.  My morals were taught to me by my parents, relatives and friends.  I feel better about myself when I do good and treat others good, not because I'm afraid of gods or devils.  Prison also helps reinforce a  few moral rules to live by.  Yes I know its hard to belive but I have absolutely zero reservations for a belief in the supernatural, yet some how my family and I havnt started biting heads off chickens....yet.

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Normal people without the means to care for a child should not be able to have a child.  This is usually prevented by people with common sense and reason.

Nice.  Who is gonna determine who does not have the "means" to care for a child?  Federal beaurocrat? 

The same person that determines your need for an AR. 


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Pi
I really feel bad for some of you on here. Why would an atheist or their family want his/her funeral to be held at a church, which is where a typical funeral takes place? Why would they want a funeral at all? What would be said?

Do you guys seriously believe in nothing but "science"? You've got it all figured out and don't need any spiritual guidance? Your morals just came out of thin air and were made up? Your soul isn't a unique gift that makes you who YOU are, and not like anybody else? Man oh man...

First off science isnt something you "believe in" science is a word that describes the methods we use to discover and figure things out. I don't claim to have anything figured out, especially things there is no evidence to support.  My morals were taught to me by my parents, relatives and friends.  I feel better about myself when I do good and treat others good, not because I'm afraid of gods or devils.  Prison also helps reinforce a  few moral rules to live by.  Yes I know its hard to belive but I have absolutely zero reservations for a belief in the supernatural, yet some how my family and I havnt started biting heads off chickens....yet.

I'll be done after this. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I can about guarantee that somewhere down that line (parents, hundreds of generations of relatives, friends) that those same morals that were instilled in you were derived from a faith. You don't just come pre-programmed with morals of  "this is right, this is right, that is wrong, that is wrong". How did you ever know what was right or what was wrong? You had to be taught it, or the majority of it at least. People aren't born atheist, as I've seen claimed on here before. Infants don't know of a higher power just like you didn't know how to catch a fish at one point in your life; everybody had to learn about it from someone. We aren't born with any knowledge. It has been passed along and taught to us. There are those that choose not to listen, and that's their choice, but I won't say that it's a smart one.



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Well said! The societies in this world were not born on an athiest viewpoint, they are based on religions and that is where we have learned our morals. There is nothing natural about morals. 

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Pi
I really feel bad for some of you on here. Why would an atheist or their family want his/her funeral to be held at a church, which is where a typical funeral takes place? Why would they want a funeral at all? What would be said?

Do you guys seriously believe in nothing but "science"? You've got it all figured out and don't need any spiritual guidance? Your morals just came out of thin air and were made up? Your soul isn't a unique gift that makes you who YOU are, and not like anybody else? Man oh man...

First off science isnt something you "believe in" science is a word that describes the methods we use to discover and figure things out. I don't claim to have anything figured out, especially things there is no evidence to support.  My morals were taught to me by my parents, relatives and friends.  I feel better about myself when I do good and treat others good, not because I'm afraid of gods or devils.  Prison also helps reinforce a  few moral rules to live by.  Yes I know its hard to belive but I have absolutely zero reservations for a belief in the supernatural, yet some how my family and I havnt started biting heads off chickens....yet.

I'll be done after this. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I can about guarantee that somewhere down that line (parents, hundreds of generations of relatives, friends) that those same morals that were instilled in you were derived from a faith. You don't just come pre-programmed with morals of  "this is right, this is right, that is wrong, that is wrong". How did you ever know what was right or what was wrong? You had to be taught it, or the majority of it at least. People aren't born atheist, as I've seen claimed on here before. Infants don't know of a higher power just like you didn't know how to catch a fish at one point in your life; everybody had to learn about it from someone. We aren't born with any knowledge. It has been passed along and taught to us. There are those that choose not to listen, and that's their choice, but I won't say that it's a smart one.

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Pi
I really feel bad for some of you on here. Why would an atheist or their family want his/her funeral to be held at a church, which is where a typical funeral takes place? Why would they want a funeral at all? What would be said?

Do you guys seriously believe in nothing but "science"? You've got it all figured out and don't need any spiritual guidance? Your morals just came out of thin air and were made up? Your soul isn't a unique gift that makes you who YOU are, and not like anybody else? Man oh man...

First off science isnt something you "believe in" science is a word that describes the methods we use to discover and figure things out. I don't claim to have anything figured out, especially things there is no evidence to support.  My morals were taught to me by my parents, relatives and friends.  I feel better about myself when I do good and treat others good, not because I'm afraid of gods or devils.  Prison also helps reinforce a  few moral rules to live by.  Yes I know its hard to belive but I have absolutely zero reservations for a belief in the supernatural, yet some how my family and I havnt started biting heads off chickens....yet.

I'll be done after this. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I can about guarantee that somewhere down that line (parents, hundreds of generations of relatives, friends) that those same morals that were instilled in you were derived from a faith. You don't just come pre-programmed with morals of  "this is right, this is right, that is wrong, that is wrong". How did you ever know what was right or what was wrong? You had to be taught it, or the majority of it at least. People aren't born atheist, as I've seen claimed on here before. Infants don't know of a higher power just like you didn't know how to catch a fish at one point in your life; everybody had to learn about it from someone. We aren't born with any knowledge. It has been passed along and taught to us. There are those that choose not to listen, and that's their choice, but I won't say that it's a smart one.

So what morals are you born with in India?  What religion is a baby born with in the remote jungles of the amazon to parents that have no knowledge or conacts of our good Christian faith? Is that baby doomed to hell if it never comes in contact with a missionary?
 

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Great add.  Smooth talking brotha dressed to the nines that made me think about a playa talking his way into the pants of some chick that only needs to be complimented a little to spread her legs, knowing that any consequence could be dealt with.  The only thing missing was that dude throwing a package of condoms into the fire behind him, cause precautions aren't necessary when the government will pay for legalized murder.

I think it shows the mentality behind most of the pro-choice crowd.

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Pi
I really feel bad for some of you on here. Why would an atheist or their family want his/her funeral to be held at a church, which is where a typical funeral takes place? Why would they want a funeral at all? What would be said?

Do you guys seriously believe in nothing but "science"? You've got it all figured out and don't need any spiritual guidance? Your morals just came out of thin air and were made up? Your soul isn't a unique gift that makes you who YOU are, and not like anybody else? Man oh man...

First off science isnt something you "believe in" science is a word that describes the methods we use to discover and figure things out. I don't claim to have anything figured out, especially things there is no evidence to support.  My morals were taught to me by my parents, relatives and friends.  I feel better about myself when I do good and treat others good, not because I'm afraid of gods or devils.  Prison also helps reinforce a  few moral rules to live by.  Yes I know its hard to belive but I have absolutely zero reservations for a belief in the supernatural, yet some how my family and I havnt started biting heads off chickens....yet.

I'll be done after this. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I can about guarantee that somewhere down that line (parents, hundreds of generations of relatives, friends) that those same morals that were instilled in you were derived from a faith. You don't just come pre-programmed with morals of  "this is right, this is right, that is wrong, that is wrong". How did you ever know what was right or what was wrong? You had to be taught it, or the majority of it at least. People aren't born atheist, as I've seen claimed on here before. Infants don't know of a higher power just like you didn't know how to catch a fish at one point in your life; everybody had to learn about it from someone. We aren't born with any knowledge. It has been passed along and taught to us. There are those that choose not to listen, and that's their choice, but I won't say that it's a smart one.

So what morals are you born with in India?  What religion is a baby born with in the remote jungles of the amazon to parents that have no knowledge or conacts of our good Christian faith? Is that baby doomed to hell if it never comes in contact with a missionary?
 

im not religious but your argument doesnt hold much water.  of course there are numerous religions so its any guess as to whos vision of a god is more accurate however, most religions have relativelycommon values.  no killing, stealing, banging your naighbors wife, etc. 

i would imagine that your"morals" would not be the same as those born in remote jungles of the amazonor many other groups of "godless" people over the years.  im guessing you dont wanna eat human flesh? sacrifice babys and virgins, etc?

your morals had to come from somewhere because we clearly arent all born with the same set of values.  and while you may not believe ina god. our societies valueshave traditional held with religious values. 

im assuming you dont wish you ate your neighbor and got 12 year old girls pregnant?  because thats the kind fo things that happen in places devoid of the "judeo christian like" influence

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and this isnt to say that christians havent done terrible things and found ways to justify their terrible acts

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Couple points:
Those of you that say "everyone should be able to make their own choice" are conveniently overlooking the fact that the baby being aborted would also like to "make his own choice" and I doubt it would be to be killed.  You have the choice to cut off your toe or remove a kidney but your choice should end when it ends the life of another human.

Some have implied we would have another 55 million people walking around if abortion was not legal.  Cerainly you realize the flaw in this logic, the reason 55 million infants are killed is because it is legal.  Abortion has become just another form of birth control for some.

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Based on many of the statements here, Sweden should be a waste land inhabited by murderers, rapists, and necropheliacs.  STAY AWAY FROM SWEDEN!!!

Link to an interesting article below.

www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201107/why-atheism-will-replace-religion-new-evidence

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Just think about360 abortions have happen in the US since this thread was posted..

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im not religious but your argument doesnt hold much water.  of course there are numerous religions so its any guess as to whos vision of a god is more accurate however, most religions have relativelycommon values.  no killing, stealing, banging your naighbors wife, etc. 

i would imagine that your"morals" would not be the same as those born in remote jungles of the amazonor many other groups of "godless" people over the years.  im guessing you dont wanna eat human flesh? sacrifice babys and virgins, etc?

your morals had to come from somewhere because we clearly arent all born with the same set of values.  and while you may not believe ina god. our societies valueshave traditional held with religious values. 

im assuming you dont wish you ate your neighbor and got 12 year old girls pregnant?  because thats the kind fo things that happen in places devoid of the "judeo christian like" influence

Yes of course, that judeo christian influence has promted nothing but peace and good moral stability in the last 1500 years, nope, no human sacrifice or murder associated with our religion.  Just like in Ireland for example.

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Pi
I really feel bad for some of you on here. Why would an atheist or their family want his/her funeral to be held at a church, which is where a typical funeral takes place? Why would they want a funeral at all? What would be said?

Do you guys seriously believe in nothing but "science"? You've got it all figured out and don't need any spiritual guidance? Your morals just came out of thin air and were made up? Your soul isn't a unique gift that makes you who YOU are, and not like anybody else? Man oh man...

First off science isnt something you "believe in" science is a word that describes the methods we use to discover and figure things out. I don't claim to have anything figured out, especially things there is no evidence to support.  My morals were taught to me by my parents, relatives and friends.  I feel better about myself when I do good and treat others good, not because I'm afraid of gods or devils.  Prison also helps reinforce a  few moral rules to live by.  Yes I know its hard to belive but I have absolutely zero reservations for a belief in the supernatural, yet some how my family and I havnt started biting heads off chickens....yet.

I'll be done after this. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I can about guarantee that somewhere down that line (parents, hundreds of generations of relatives, friends) that those same morals that were instilled in you were derived from a faith. You don't just come pre-programmed with morals of  "this is right, this is right, that is wrong, that is wrong". How did you ever know what was right or what was wrong? You had to be taught it, or the majority of it at least. People aren't born atheist, as I've seen claimed on here before. Infants don't know of a higher power just like you didn't know how to catch a fish at one point in your life; everybody had to learn about it from someone. We aren't born with any knowledge. It has been passed along and taught to us. There are those that choose not to listen, and that's their choice, but I won't say that it's a smart one.

To say that you can't have morals and a good sense of right or wrong unless you believe in God or were taught them by people that believe in God seems like a ridiculous statement to me.  My 2 year old knows it wrong to hit and bite already but knows nothing of religion or my views on religion.

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Couple points:
Those of you that say "everyone should be able to make their own choice" are conveniently overlooking the fact that the baby being aborted would also like to "make his own choice" and I doubt it would be to be killed.  You have the choice to cut off your toe or remove a kidney but your choice should end when it ends the life of another human.

Some have implied we would have another 55 million people walking around if abortion was not legal.  Cerainly you realize the flaw in this logic, the reason 55 million infants are killed is because it is legal.  Abortion has become just another form of birth control for some.

i see your point but an unborn child cant make a choice at that time. he has not been taught "morals" from religion, parents, friends, family, ect yet and has no thought process. an unborn child has no knowledge of right from wrong.

im not saying abortion is right or wrong, but his/her parents have that freedom to make that choice for him/her at that time.

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Idealistic from religious perspective: no abortions, no birth control (why the hell do people still believe the bull crap of no birth control again?)

Simple Realism: Either legal abortions or overwhelmingly available and free birth control. Clearly free birth control via government subsidy MAKES SENSE, but instead you people weep about all these abortions. This is the real world with people unlike us, the Midwesterners. Either you you have legal abortions or free BC, plain and simple. If you deny birth control 1) you're stupid and haven't realized that preventative medicine makes the country a better place and/or 2) you're wrapped up in ideology when the REAL WORLD doesn't follow your ideology.
This isn't a conservative or liberal view, it's how the real world works, plain and simple.

Also, you (majority) male posters seem interested in regulating vaginas, yet when people propose gun legislation you're angry. It's so true that gun control is a fallacy, and the same is true for legislating vaginas. This hypocrisy is what drives people away from the GOP. "Don't legislate my property but ill legislate your body." Come on people. A fetus can't live without being inside the mother, and is therefore a parasite by definition. It's a person precursor.



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Couple points:
Those of you that say "everyone should be able to make .....

i see your point but an unborn child cant make a choice at that time. he has not been taught "morals" from religion, parents, friends, family, ect yet and has no thought process. an unborn child has no knowledge of right from wrong.

im not saying abortion is right or wrong, but his/her parents have that freedom to make that choice for him/her at that time.

I didn't try to wrap the religious argument into my comment so I will assume you were just trying to have fun with a previous post.  And if you think that a unborn child in his 5th month cannot feel pain or struggles when it is being killed, you are sadly mistaken.  I'm sure they fight for life with all they can before the vacuum tears them limb from limb.  A parent is a "caretaker", one who "nurtures and raises".  Someone that makes the decision to kill their child is not a parent.

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Couple points:
Those of you that say "everyone should be able to make their own choice" are conveniently overlooking the fact that the baby being aborted would also like to "make his own choice" and I doubt it would be to be killed.  You have the choice to cut off your toe or remove a kidney but your choice should end when it ends the life of another human.

Some have implied we would have another 55 million people walking around if abortion was not legal.  Cerainly you realize the flaw in this logic, the reason 55 million infants are killed is because it is legal.  Abortion has become just another form of birth control for some.

i see your point but an unborn child cant make a choice at that time. he has not been taught "morals" from religion, parents, friends, family, ect yet and has no thought process. an unborn child has no knowledge of right from wrong.

im not saying abortion is right or wrong, but his/her parents have that freedom to make that choice for him/her at that time.

the highlighted is what i was refering to.  i was implying everyone else remarks about morals and religion. i didnt say anything about feeling pain and such. i couldnt tell ya if they feel pain. i dont remember when i was 5 months old and unborn. i dont have kids either to ask

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IMO its pretty easy right now for a women to get cheap birth control or for guys to get cheap condoms.I bet it wouldnt make much diff if it was all free???just because it free doesent mean they are going to use it??

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back to what it is... call it anything you want to... most mothers  that are planing on keeping their Embro, Fetus, Pasrasite, call it their Baby.,,
No matter what you call it.,, FACT is it is a human parasit, embryo , fetus. and if left to grow would develop into a human. And born a human baby, Child, Infant, Kid, brat, what ever you want to call it after birth.. Smile
No matter what you call it, it is still the same thing.

 

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Abortion can be a very emotional topic, even for myself, but I still refuse to choose a side or vote for or against it.  there are just way too many gray areas and opinions on where & when to draw lines on the subject.

Imagine a husband and wife struggling to get pregnant and they choose a method offered by doctors today (I forgot the name of the procedure) where a number of eggs are implanted into the female with hopes one of them is successfully fertilized, but instead of one egg being fertilized, 6 or 7 of them are successful.  how does that man & wife choose?  what do they choose?  do they choose to atempt to have all of them to prevent eternal damnation in hell even if it means risking the life of the mother?  if they do choose to abort some of them, how many and which ones? 

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back to what it is... call it anything you want to... most mothers  that are planing on keeping their Embro, Fetus, Pasrasite, call it their Baby.,,
No matter what you call it.,, FACT is it is a human parasit, embryo , fetus. and if left to grow would develop into a human. And born a human baby, Child, Infant, Kid, brat, what ever you want to call it after birth.. Smile
No matter what you call it, it is still the same thing.

 

Are abortions free? I guess I really dont know if they are or not, however a condom is in the realm of about $.50 Seems a much easier and I would guess cheaper way to go than letting yourself get pregnant, then risking medical problems, and killing your fetus.

I have four kids, I would have a few more if they would have not been miscarried to no fault of anyone. I never really felt any loss when these happened, however my wife was sure shook up over them. I cant imagine at some point a person with some moral spirit, and common decency doesnt feel major guilt after one of these abortions that for some of you are just part of normal society.

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Abortion can be a very emotional topic, even for myself, but I still refuse to choose a side or vote for or against it.  there are just way too many gray areas and opinions on where & when to draw lines on the subject.

Imagine a husband and wife struggling to get pregnant and they choose a method offered by doctors today (I forgot the name of the procedure) where a number of eggs are implanted into the female with hopes one of them is successfully fertilized, but instead of one egg being fertilized, 6 or 7 of them are successful.  how does that man & wife choose?  what do they choose?  do they choose to atempt to have all of them to prevent eternal damnation in hell even if it means risking the life of the mother?  if they do choose to abort some of them, how many and which ones? 

they have them all get a reality show and hit it big time......ie octomom

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That's sick 

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Sluggo Said:
Couple points:
Those of you that say "everyone should be able to make their own choice" are conveniently overlooking the fact that the baby being aborted would also like to "make his own choice" and I doubt it would be to be killed.  You have the choice to cut off your toe or remove a kidney but your choice should end when it ends the life of another human.

Some have implied we would have another 55 million people walking around if abortion was not legal.  Cerainly you realize the flaw in this logic, the reason 55 million infants are killed is because it is legal.  Abortion has become just another form of birth control for some.

i see your point but an unborn child cant make a choice at that time. he has not been taught "morals" from religion, parents, friends, family, ect yet and has no thought process. an unborn child has no knowledge of right from wrong.

im not saying abortion is right or wrong, but his/her parents have that freedom to make that choice for him/her at that time.

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beminoid31 Said:

beminoid31 Said:

Sluggo Said:
Couple points:
Those of you that say "everyone should be able to make their own choice" are conveniently overlooking the fact that the baby being aborted would also like to "make his own choice" and I doubt it would be to be killed.  You have the choice to cut off your toe or remove a kidney but your choice should end when it ends the life of another human.

Some have implied we would have another 55 million people walking around if abortion was not legal.  Cerainly you realize the flaw in this logic, the reason 55 million infants are killed is because it is legal.  Abortion has become just another form of birth control for some.

i see your point but an unborn child cant make a choice at that time. he has not been taught "morals" from religion, parents, friends, family, ect yet and has no thought process. an unborn child has no knowledge of right from wrong.

im not saying abortion is right or wrong, but his/her parents have that freedom to make that choice for him/her at that time.

the highlighted is what i was refering to.  i was implying everyone else remarks about morals and religion. i didnt say anything about feeling pain and such. i couldnt tell ya if they feel pain. i dont remember when i was 5 months old and unborn. i dont have kids either to ask

They had the choice to use birth control or natural family planning techniques to insure they didn't put themselves in the situation where they would contemplate murdering an innocent life.  The pregnancy is a consequence of an ill choice and to abort the result of that choice out of convenience is simply a matter of not wanting to be responsible for your actions. 

It's murder, plain and simple.  Look at ultrasounds, listen to the beating heart, see the fingers and toes and face.  It's a person from conception to death, only at different stages of life. 

Have a child and let us know if your views change any.  On second thought, maybe you shouldn't.

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 At what point is someone old enough to "decide"if they want to live? I mean a 9 month old child can't comprehend that so the parents should have the right to kill them if it isn't working out for them?

Wow

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Wow regardless of religion, or the lack there of, I can not see anyway to justify killing a child.  I really truely believe there is very little difference between killing a fetus and killing a walking, talking toddler. You pro-choice people are a bunch of sick bastards. Its really a bunch of horse-shit when you prop up crap like rape concieved babies to promote your views when that is an infantismally small sample of overall abortions. In reality it is more ethical to kill an adult who has done something to deserve rather than killing a child that may inconvience the worthless pieces of shit that created it.

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 For those of you who don't know or question when human life begins:

Resolving the question of when human life begins is critical for advancing a reasoned public policy debate over abortion and human embryo research. This article considers the current scientific evidence in human embryology and addresses two central questions concerning the beginning of life: 1) in the course of sperm-egg interaction, when is a new cell formed that is distinct from either sperm or egg? and 2) is this new cell a new human organism—i.e., a new human being? Based on universally accepted scientific criteria, a new cell, the human zygote, comes into existence at the moment of sperm-egg fusion, an event that occurs in less than a second. Upon formation, the zygote immediately initiates a complex sequence of events that establish the molecular conditions required for continued embryonic development. The behavior of the zygote is radically unlike that of either sperm or egg separately and is characteristic of a human organism. Thus, the scientific evidence supports the conclusion that a zygote is a human organism and that the life of a new human being commences at a scientifically well defined “moment of conception.” This conclusion is objective, consistent with the factual evidence, and independent of any specific ethical, moral, political, or religious view of human life or of human embryos.

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Perhaps one thing we can all agree on is the fact that this country has seen it's better days and seems to be continuing a downward spiral at a very rapid pace both morally and economically.

Think about many of the things that have attributed to this decline and I think it is easy to link them back to what Plainsman noted, and that is the weakening importance or removal of God from our government and our homes.  Divorce rates are off the charts.  Interesting fact that I learned was that the divorce rate for people who live together before marriage is astronomically higher than that of people who wait until they are married.  Interestingly enough I lived that one as well.  So now we have millions of children being raised in broken homes by a single parent who has to do the work of two parents, and the children suffer the consequences.  Things like divorce, abortion, premarital sex, are all taboo in a religious society, so why not support their abolishment so we can still look at ourselves in the mirror and think we aren't so bad.  Maybe we can negotiate are way into heaven, if we believe there is a God, and he will buy into our own rationalizations for committing sin?  Those of you who don't believe in God still have the ability to differentiate between right and wrong, only without the thought of consequences after death.

What absolutely amazes me is that for some reason we believe we are so much more intelligent than the people who founded this country 200+ years ago.  I mean, this country is a baby compared to the rest of the countries in the world, and these moral issues have been around since man has been around.  So this group of guys gets together to form a country after a revolution against tyranny, and they put together a constitution based on the failures and successes of other countries.  In their infinite wisdom, they chose to make God a major factor in this creation.  Do you not think they did this because of historic examples of societies where God was not important?    

That is in fact false. This country was founded secular.

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multi-species-angler Said:
 

Tim Sandstrom Said:
 And multi, why is it always a woman?  Takes two to tango. I figure it is a 50/50 split. 

Again I'm lacking evidence here, just a hunch, but I suspect the majority of abortions don't take place with a responsible male holding the female's hand helping her through the decision they made together.  Ill take a guess that the parents of the soon to be mother's have a lot more to do with these types of decisions than the father of the unborn.

1:  If a dude decides to split and the woman wants the baby, she is going to have the baby and that dude is going to be in a world of hurt with childcare costs, the court, etc.  If there is one thing our system does pretty well it is finding dead beats.  Sure, many exceptions I'm sure but to escape the system you are going to flat out have to change names, socials, etc.

2:  It always cracks me up.  So what you are telling me is the man has no right to this child?  The woman gets to make the decision to kill his child all on her own?

You think a man should have a right to make a women go through a pregnancy?

What kind of friggin question is that?  If I was one of multi's fraction of a percent where everything was taken carefully into consideration and my roll in the hay resulted in a pregnancy you're damn right I get to be part of the decision.

Seriously, what kind of question was that?  Judging by past comments you lean to the left so it does make sense so I guess nevermind.  Only sexist when it matters to favor your opinion...

It think it's a pretty straight forward question. You seem to think a man should have a say in wether or not a women goes through with the pregnancy. But in reality, it is their body. I would imagine most couples that are actually committed to each other, the woman would listen to the guy's feelings. She doesn't have to though.

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To any of you on here that happen to be atheists that think you have the power to choose what's right and what is wrong,  what's murder and what isn't.

It makes sense that if there is no God we make our own rules.   

If you are a teenager and you think you can have sex without consequences you will at some point have a close call or a rude awakening.   

Put your daughters on birth control and then explain to them how it's worth it five years later when they are in the ER because they've got a blood clot in their leg and are lucky to be alive.  Check out some of the sweet side effects.

If we all were created billions of years ago when there was a big bang and nothing exploded,  and we've been evolving into what we are today for millions of years,  it makes sense that we can do whatever we want.

My advice to you is:   Continue to do whatever you want,  and pretend there will be no consequences.  Pretend you have the power to decide whether it is right or wrong to kill babies!  That decision is in your hands!    It makes perfect sense if we have no God.  

But I choose to believe that I was created by the Almighty God.   And I'd rather listen to him and have less fun on this earth than pretend I came from a monkey and can do whatever FEELS right to me.  

I'm not trying to push my beliefs on anyone,  I'm simply stating my opinion.

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I was speaking in a public school in Pennsylvania a couple of years ago, and this kid sat on the second row.

He said, "Hovind, I am an atheist. There is no God." I said, "Are you sure?"

He said, "I am sure." I said, "Let me ask you a question, son."

I said, "Do you know everything?" He said, "Oh, no...no."

I said, "Well, OK, good. Do you think maybe you know half of everything? He said, "Nooo..." Well, let's pretend for a few minutes that you know half of everything.

Would it be possible then for God to exist in the other half that you don't know? Brand new thought - rattled around in his brain for awhile and got lost, I'm sure!

I said, "And by the way son, if you're an atheist, let me ask you a simple question.

How do you tell right from wrong?"

Ask an atheist that question some time.

How do you tell right from wrong?

He said, "That's easy ... I decide what's right and wrong."

He said, "I am the god of my own universe."

I said, "I am glad to hear about that, son, because I am going to shoot you in five minutes."

He said, "You can't do that."

I said, "Oh yes I can! You see, I am the god of my own universe, and I decided it's fine for me to shoot you."

You see where that logic would lead in a hurry if "every man did that which was right in his own eyes" like the book of Judges says. Serious problems for society - big time! How do you tell right from wrong?

A simple question to ask an evolutionist. They don't have a way to tell.

Maybe Osama bin Laden should decide right from wrong. Maybe Bill Clinton should decide right from wrong.

If he has any idea where to find it! I mean, how do you tell right from wrong? Simple!

It's real easy to tell right from wrong-

"Thus saith the Lord." Now you see, that is absolute.   --Kent Hovind

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