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big difference... there isn't a shred of scientifically credible evidence supporting bigfoot or ghosts in your attic.  on the other hand there are mountains and mountains... literally... mountains with fossils in their rocks dating back hundreds of millions of years... of scientifically credible evidence that support evolution.  do you know why its been elevated to a "theory" and its no longer just a "hypothesis"... its cause its been tested and tested and supported by more evidence than you can fit in your local library... and nothing has ever been presented that proves it to be wrong.  

you guys have this problem whereby you don't trust anything that is science based if it conflicts with the words in the good book.  quit reading the bible so literally and the two things can co-exist.  i think its a sad reflection on things when a person spends his whole life as a biologist for the federal government and still refuses to give credibility to one of the most accepted scientific theories of all time and the process that has led to its acceptance simply because it contradicts some things in a book that was written 2000 years ago.  

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 "And support for evolution is not "thin". It has never been proven wrong.... Never."

This statement is simply a poor attempt at debate on the issue you pursue, especially if you are trying to claim "science".  Bigfoot has never been proven wrong.  Ghosts living in the attic have never been proven wrong.  While you can maintain an argument for evolution, it in terms of mass development has never been proven right.

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big difference... there isn't a shred of scientifically credible evidence supporting bigfoot or ghosts in your attic.  on the other hand there are mountains and mountains... literally... mountains with fossils in their rocks dating back hundreds of millions of years... of scientifically credible evidence that support evolution.  do you know why its been elevated to a "theory" and its no longer just a "hypothesis"... its cause its been tested and tested and supported by more evidence than you can fit in your local library... and nothing has ever been presented that proves it to be wrong.  

you guys have this problem whereby you don't trust anything that is science based if it conflicts with the words in the good book.  
quit reading the bible so literally and the two things can co-exist.  i think its a sad reflection on things when a person spends his whole life as a biologist for the federal government and still refuses to give credibility to one of the most accepted scientific theories of all time and the process that has led to its acceptance simply because it contradicts some things in a book that was written 2000 years ago.  

Alpine Said:
 "And support for evolution is not "thin". It has never been proven wrong.... Never."

This statement is simply a poor attempt at debate on the issue you pursue, especially if you are trying to claim "science".  Bigfoot has never been proven wrong.  Ghosts living in the attic have never been proven wrong.  While you can maintain an argument for evolution, it in terms of mass development has never been proven right.

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I was addressing your exact quote as presented.  "It has never been proven wrong.... Never."   Your context had an imposed conclusion, and it was that conclusion that is wrong. 

Evolution is accepted theory.  How the Scab Lands were formed also once had accepted theory, at least accepted by some.  Until a new theory was formed, and laughed at.  40 years later that laughed at theory became accepted theory.  Which has now evolved to accepted fact. 

It's a nice theory.  As rocks tell us the geological history of this planet dating back billions of years I believe evolution in the way of divine guidance can work well with the bible within limits. Theory is often times nothing but faith based agenda.  The key word there is faith.  An agenda that in time is often proven wrong.

Man evolving from apes??  Missing links?   Hundreds of thousands of missing links, not just one.  Now that is why the word faith was invented.

 

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i ain't so sure where you fall on the theory of evolution... so, explain to me then what the real reason is some of these folks don't support.  do you not think their skepticism has its roots in their faith?   

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big difference... there isn't a shred of scientifically credible evidence supporting bigfoot or ghosts in your attic.  on the other hand there are mountains and mountains... literally... mountains with fossils in their rocks dating back hundreds of millions of years... of scientifically credible evidence that support evolution.  do you know why its been elevated to a "theory" and its no longer just a "hypothesis"... its cause its been tested and tested and supported by more evidence than you can fit in your local library... and nothing has ever been presented that proves it to be wrong.  

you guys have this problem whereby you don't trust anything that is science based if it conflicts with the words in the good book.  
quit reading the bible so literally and the two things can co-exist.  i think its a sad reflection on things when a person spends his whole life as a biologist for the federal government and still refuses to give credibility to one of the most accepted scientific theories of all time and the process that has led to its acceptance simply because it contradicts some things in a book that was written 2000 years ago.  

Alpine Said:
 "And support for evolution is not "thin". It has never been proven wrong.... Never."

This statement is simply a poor attempt at debate on the issue you pursue, especially if you are trying to claim "science".  Bigfoot has never been proven wrong.  Ghosts living in the attic have never been proven wrong.  While you can maintain an argument for evolution, it in terms of mass development has never been proven right.

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 alpine, to date, the theory of evolution has never been proven wrong... never.  show me otherwise.  if and when it does get proven wrong, it will go the same route as the original scab lands theory.  proven wrong by testing and the scientific process by the way.  the same process that supports evolution year after year and decade after decade.  if it does get proven wrong, guess what... i will accept it cause it will have been proven wrong by the same process.  until then, you are stuck with the fact that it is accepted.  you can't change the fact that it is one of the most accepted scientific theories of all time that is supported by more evidence in more scientific fields subjected to more research and testing over the course of over a century than almost any theory to have ever been formed in the history of science.  argue all you want... but, thems the facts jack.  

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Here is some faith

57 Cent Church 

 



A little girl stood near a small church from which she had been turned away because it was 'too crowded.' 


'I can't go to Sunday School,' she sobbed to the pastor as he walked by. 


Seeing her shabby, unkempt appearance, the pastor guessed the reason and, taking her by the hand, took her inside and found a place for her in the Sunday school class. The child was so happy that they found room for her, and she went to bed that night thinking of the children who have no place to worship Jesus. 

Some two years later, this child lay dead in one of the poor tenement buildings. Her parents called for the kindhearted pastor who had befriended their daughter to handle the final arrangements. 

As her poor little body was being moved, a worn and crumpled red purse was found which seemed to have been rummaged from some trash dump. 


Inside was found 57 cents and a note, scribbled in childish handwriting, which read: 'This is to help build the little church bigger so more children can go to Sunday School.' 


For two years she had saved for this offering of love. 


When the pastor tearfully read that note, he knew instantly what he would do. Carrying this note and the cracked, red pocketbook to the pulpit, he told the story of her unselfish love and devotion. 


He challenged his deacons to get busy and raise enough money for the larger building. 


But the story does not end there.... 

A newspaper learned of the story and published It. It was read by a wealthy realtor who offered them a parcel of land worth many thousands. 

When told that the church could not pay so much, he offered to sell it to the little church for 57 cents. 

Church members made large donations. Checks came from far and wide.. 
Within five years the little girl's gift had increased to $250,000.00--a huge sum for that time (near the turn of the century). Her unselfish love had paid large dividends. 

When you are in the city of Philadelphia,  look up Temple Baptist Church, with a seating capacity of 3,300. And be sure to visit Temple University, where thousands of students are educated. 
 

Have a look, too, at the
Good Samaritan Hospital and at a Sunday School building which houses hundreds of beautiful children, built so that no child in the area will ever need to be left outside during Sunday school time. 

 
In one of the rooms of this building may be seen the picture of the sweet face of the little girl whose 57 cents, so sacrificially saved, made such remarkable history. Alongside of it is a portrait of her kind pastor, Dr. Russell H. Conwell, author of the book, 'Acres of Diamonds'. 

 
This is a true story, which goes to show WHAT GOD CAN DO WITH 57 CENTS. 

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nice enslow-ism haha

 

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 better yet... why don't you and plainsman get together and hold a conference with all of the other evolution skeptics around the world and put together your own scientific literature and present it to the liberal scientific community worldwide and have it subjected to decades of rigorous testing across a dozen scientific fields and see how your position holds up?  here is a hint for you though... leave the bible and christianity out of your literature... 

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btw... the scab lands issue seems to actually support the scientific process don't you think?  its the perfect example of how something can be proven wrong after rigorous research and testing and how the scientific community is willing to change its stance on a certain issue when they are presented with credible findings based on said research and testing.  other than to support the idea that the "theory" could someday be proven wrong, the argument is pointless.  the fact is that someday any theory, including the theory of evolution, could be proven wrong.  but, until the day arrives, you are stuck with the fact that it hasn't been... to deny otherwise is to deny the very process that has brought mankind to the technological place it is today.  

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The Scablands prove only that science is often wrong.  Accepted scientific theory is often proven wrong.  Then, it's not accepted anymore.  La La  la La La.

You are making the wrong statement.  It's not important that evolution as a total explanation of life as we know it is a theory and that it has NEVER been proven wrong.  Evolution is a theory, and it has NEVER been proven right.  Not in the complete text of its "accepted" theory.   Some would say the Algorian global warming concept is accepted science in theory, even though there are mountains of scientific evidence to prove that theory wrong or in the least wide open for additional debate.

I completely believe myself that based on the record a bird for instance developed over much time a certain type of foot that enabled it to better grasp a certain type of branch.  I have little doubt of that.  To say all life has evolved from the same chicken, or is it egg, in the same manner is faith based theory.

 

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For you non believers, how do you know that God didn't plant "evolutional" evidence just to see if you would question his work and existence?  You do realize God can do anything right?

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Which end of a worm is the butt?

                                                                                                                         

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There is enough absolute wonder - and missing pieces and conflicting ideas - in BOTH the Bible and evolution that anybody who clings to either of them as flawless or absolute certainty is kidding himself or trying to fool others.

Both take great faith - but to stand up and say "it's a lock" about either is extreme.

Even Mother Teresa struggled in her faith. That's OK though, grace takes care of our humanity and He understands we're curious little buggers with deep flaws. Explain the logic in her behavior... yet look at what her FAITH did for the masses.

Jesus has a very special love for you. As for me, the silence and the emptiness is so great that I look and do not see, listen and do not hear.
— Mother Teresa to the Rev. Michael Van Der Peet, September 1979

 

 

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Which end of a worm is the butt?

tickle the middle and see which end laughs.

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one takes faith by its very definition of what faith is... the other not so much.  and regarding the worm... the butt is the end that stinks and has shit coming out of it.... unless of course, it got drunk with its friends the night before... then, more likely than not, you are dealing with the mouth.  

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 Ask me that question in a few years, guywhofishes!    I,d bet I''ll be able to give you a detailed explanation of your questions  in terms of neural pathways,  neurochemistry, endorphins, serotonin, ACH and a menu of now being discovered neurochemical s, supported by fMRA's, PET scans, and a bunch of other stuff that is still on the horizon now!

  I think you are sort of in the medical field, so I assume you are not as ill informed as you lead us to believe.  Either that or you are simply  taking a cheap shot at me again!  OR, you are one of the rare self described "scientist" who demonstrates no curiosity, open mindedness, innovation, and refuses to stay up to date on current scientific knowledge or thinking!  

Just trying to say that every religion has its good moral teachings, and even if you can't believe the God part of it, you  can respect them and take the  good stuff and leave the stuff you can't believe!  Nothing  wrong  with that, IMHO, though you self described moral conservatives seem to be incapable of understanding   anything like that!  For you guys, its 100% party line or  nothing!  
Reincarnation must be true!  Some of you must be reincarnated from the Middle Ages where that was the norm for thinking!   Try thinking out of the box for a change!  Science and progress moves on!   

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 Well Alpine, if you can't bring yourself to understand the concept of a "God" then that removes the five religious ones.
religious or not, the other five -don't kill, lie, steal, covet your buddy,s possessions, chase your neighbors wife, etc.  are IMHO applicable to everybody, whether religious or not or no matter what religion you follow or profess to follow!  
In other words, you don't have to be religious and believe the Faith stuff  to be a good, honest helpful, caring trustful citizen!  Trustful EXCEPT when telling fish stories, that is!  

Can't follow that?  Then you are either not too smart, OR simply totally closed minded and unable or unwilling o understand what I'm saying.  

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 BTW, WAY,WAY off the original topic!  This is a serious question!  Most of us have heard in church that "Jesus died and God allowed him to die and even sent him froM Heaven  to save us from our sins?" How does that work?  I've never understood it and have never had any kind of adequate explanation for this often repeated statement!  When I attend church it seems everybody but me knows what this means!
I thought about this during a service at a recent funeral and a confirmation service!  I sincerely have been trying to understand this since I spent every Sunday as a kid in Sunday school and church every Sunday till I quit in middle age!

Also, when the congregation reads the '"we believe" passage, it is always read from a book that  we believe in the "communion of the saints".   Respectfully what does this mean?  Help  me out here!
this is not meant to ruffle anyone's feathers, but I've seriously tried for years to get some kind of Explanation  to truly understand this!   
This is probably not the website to get enlightened, but no insult intended, we seem to have a lot of sincere Christians on here, so therefore at least some of them should know the answers to my 60 a 70 year old questions!

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Which end of a worm is the butt?

tickle the middle and see which end laughs.

sounds legit,  but I have been know to laugh so hard I shit my pants and laugh so hard I threw up,  so the question evolves to how hard to tickle your worm?

                                                                                                                         

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 "For you guys, its 100% party line or nothing!"
 
Coming from a guy who's party held up Conservative group's 501 applications during election years and also gave 100s of them a high level of scruitiny.  Admittedly, it was targeted towards conservative groups.  I say, for YOU guys, it's 100% party line, or we'll silence you and stamp you out so no one has a chance to hear anything from you.  We'll then present ideas and cast anyone who disagrees as out of touch, or old school, ill thought, or racist.  Seeing some of this on this forum here; no one who appears to side with religion is saying that evolution isn't a possibility, or maybe even they way God went about creation; but anyone who thinks evolution is the law of the land emphatically denies the existance of God.  Tolerance by some, intollerance by others.  Right now, we are only a few steps away from individual people being outted for their beliefs and given undue focus by the same government that they have paid taxes for the existance of.  Facism.

Also, Plainsman is talking about the scientific method whereby a hypothesis is tested it and over time it can become a scientific theory.  The next step above that would be a scientific Law.  Few tested theories become Law...few.

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Oh, I followed that bobcat.  My question in regards was rhetorical.

"Also, when the congregation reads the '"we believe" passage"

I take it you mean the Apostle's Creed.  All denominations have their dogma's, the Creed is nothing more than a symbol of belief. The Apostles' Creed was based on Christian theological understanding of the Canonical gospels, the letters of the New and Old Testament.

"we believe in the "communion of the saints".   Respectfully what does this mean?  "
 
What you refer to is simply the spiritual union between members of the Christian community, living and dead.  Heaven and earth.

"This is a serious question!  Most of us have heard in church that "Jesus died and God allowed him to die and even sent him froM Heaven  to save us from our sins?" How does that work?  I've never understood it and have never had any kind of adequate explanation"
 
You really haven't paid attention, have you?   You readily dismiss God without making any attempt to understand or accept faith.  This is clearly understood when you understand the very book you spit on.  The Old and New Testament discuss this very thing, from original sin to the essence of the Trinity.  The sacrifice, the acceptance.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

 

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Nope... Laws are not the next step after theories. I suggest u re-read some of these posts or put Google to work for u.

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Now bobcat, the one verse I quoted above does not tell the story, it sets the stage.  Hundreds of verses tell the story.  Invest some time, we are all running out of it.   Salvation can not be conned, it can not be bought, it can not be earned.  It is already bought and paid for.  It is already yours.   You just simply have to accept the gift.  Try to earn it, and all is already lost.  Acceptance is the path.  That only comes through faith, through grace.

I'll say again, many of the greatest minds of science in the past and of today are devout Christians.  More to their own divine messenger.    To say your knowledge of elementary science eliminates you from being able to believe is a laughable cop out.

 

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Respectfully what does this mean? Help me out here!
this is not meant to ruffle anyone's feathers, but I've seriously tried for years to get some kind of Explanation to truly understand this!
This is probably not the website to get enlightened, but no insult intended, we seem to have a lot of sincere Christians on here, so therefore at least some of them should know the answers to my 60 a 70 year old questions!

I really appreciate the respect.   I think evolution is currently a religion because it also takes faith.  To answer your above will take some serious thinking.  I need to talk to other people who are smarter than myself about some of these things.  I'll give you my short response for now.
Was George Washington our first president, have you been to Australia?  There is a reason I asked these questions that looked like they had no bearing on what we were talking about.  People didn't even want to answer them.  Evolution has no written history.  People who believe George Washington was president have faith in history.  People that believe Australia is there have faith in the word of others who have been there, seen it, touched it, etc.  Many say Christianity  is crazy.  However, there are many eye witnesses who wrote about the life of Jesus Christ.  Many who were secular historians.  Many who interviewed people who were with or who had been taught be Jesus or one of the disciples.  There is vast history pointing to many things that are true.  So many are true that I am willing to accept some things I can not explain.  I believe all the written history is more valid than evolution.

Now don't take this as an insult towards you.  It's simply that you used a statement that is one of my pet peeves.  Number one is think outside the box.  Number two is give me 110% of your effort.  I have had supervisors say that and immediately thought I was dealing with a moron.  We are all captive within a box of our experience and education.  The give 110% shouldn't even need explanation to a third grader.  There now, got that off my chest. 

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enlighten me.  What is the next step after theory?  Keep in mind, any additional steps beyond theory adds more distance to scientific law (for the case of evolution being the cause of creation).  At any rate, once a law is proven and accepted there isn't any higher acknowledgement of the phenomena or circumstance.  Scientific law is scientifc law, and accepted as that.  Ahhhem...Theory of Evolution.

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i've already done that on this thread more than once.  as have a few others.  not gonna waste my time doing it again.  but, i suppose i can help you out on how to get started on figuring it out for yourself... 1.  go to your web browser address bar.  2.  type the following:  www.google.com.  3.  there will be a little window below the word "Google" (usually it is some fanciful lettering) in the middle of your screen... type "law vs theory" or "theory vs. law" into that little window.  4.  hit "enter"... its on the right hand side of your keyboard.  

if you do 1-4 correctly, you will get a number of links to things called webpages.  given google's prolificity (i think that's a word... google can tell you that too) for coming up with webpages that are relevant to the words put into the window referenced in #3 above, you should have enough information in the links provided on the first page alone to explain it to you in much greater detail than i planned on doing in a one or two sentence post.   

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peace out... these threads have a knack for turning me into an asshole... or maybe just bringing out my inherently assholish (google can probably tell you if that's a word too) nature.  so, i better just cut this snake off at the head before i get any worse and turn off my web browser for the day.  sorry if i offended anyone.  

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Which end of a worm is the butt?

tickle the middle and see which end laughs.

sounds legit,  but I have been know to laugh so hard I shit my pants and laugh so hard I threw up,  so the question evolves to how hard to tickle your worm

You will have to taste it...

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peace out... these threads have a knack for turning me into an asshole... or maybe just bringing out my inherently assholish (google can probably tell you if that's a word too) nature.  so, i better just cut this snake off at the head before i get any worse and turn off my web browser for the day.  sorry if i offended anyone.  

apology accepted

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peace out... these threads have a knack for turning me into an asshole... or maybe just bringing out my inherently assholish (google can probably tell you if that's a word too) nature.  so, i better just cut this snake off at the head before i get any worse and turn off my web browser for the day.  sorry if i offended anyone.  

   you sir are a mean man and my feelings are very hurt   

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peace out... these threads have a knack for turning me into an asshole... or maybe just bringing out my inherently assholish (google can probably tell you if that's a word too) nature.  so, i better just cut this snake off at the head before i get any worse and turn off my web browser for the day.  sorry if i offended anyone.  

apology accepted

I dont know if I can except this opology

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 sorry if i offended anyone.

Same here.

By the way, I have noticed that the definition of theory has changed over the years.  You have to be over 50 perhaps to have noticed it.  I have a theory too.  My theory is scientists who are full of themselves have pushed to add credentials to their theories that they can't prove by exaggerating the idea of a theory.  In reality it really is a hypothesis with hypothetical and sometimes physical evidence.  Not real great. 

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espringers Said:
peace out... these threads have a knack for turning me into an asshole... or maybe just bringing out my inherently assholish (google can probably tell you if that's a word too) nature.  so, i better just cut this snake off at the head before i get any worse and turn off my web browser for the day.  sorry if i offended anyone.  

been there, done that

 

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Which end of a worm is the butt?

tickle the middle and see which end laughs.

sounds legit,  but I have been know to laugh so hard I shit my pants and laugh so hard I threw up,  so the question evolves to how hard to tickle your worm

You will have to taste it...

How do you differentiate (note $5 word) between worm crap and worm vomit?  I suspect my taste buds have been drowned in beer one too many times for this line of work,  I'll just put a hook in each end and tie my line around its middle.

                                                                                                                         

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How do you differentiate (note $5 word) between worm crap and worm vomit?  I suspect my taste buds have been drowned in beer one too many times for this line of work,  I'll just put a hook in each end and tie my line around its middle.

Well duh, one will taste like sh!t....

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What's still got me laughing about this whole thing is that the last time I showed you that video, you admitted that you had a misunderstanding about scientific law and theory. Nothing in science is ever concidered completely proved without a doubt. Only there is more evidence at the current time to support something, than there is evidence to dissprove something.

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I can't get this crazy computer to work this evening. A number of things like quote that it will not do. I guess I'll take it to the computer doctor tomorrow.
Anyway, BTR I don't remember, but I'm confident you wouldn't bs me so I'll take your word for it without question.
I guess I may have thought about it more since I'm back to thinking as I was taught many years ago. Like I said I think some ego driven scientist wanted to make more of his theory so like so many things the language changes meaning. That's to bad because something that can not be proven certainly should not have the same weight as something that can be proven.

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I can't get this crazy computer to work this evening. A number of things like quote that it will not do. I guess I'll take it to the computer doctor tomorrow.
Anyway, BTR I don't remember, but I'm confident you wouldn't bs me so I'll take your word for it without question.
I guess I may have thought about it more since I'm back to thinking as I was taught many years ago. Like I said I think some ego driven scientist wanted to make more of his theory so like so many things the language changes meaning. That's to bad because something that can not be proven certainly should not have the same weight as something that can be proven.

Evolution is considered a fact in science, it can't be considered a law because it is too complex. There is also the theory of evolution. I've been trying to get you to understand that. Considering something a fact is when there is more evidence supporting it than there is dissproving it.

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It amazes me how many people in the US do not "believe" evolution. Its the same broken record over and over, "evolution is just a theory" and keep comparing it to far fetched hypothesis and "what ifs"

every time a living thing replicates (makes babies) it changes (aka evolves) you are not 100% your father or mother, you are about 95% your father and mother and about 5-10% unique, now some of that unique stuff is passed on, if you get the opportunity to breed, and a few hundred or thousand generations later you can have one changed specie or several different species depending on the unique characteristics that reproduced in one group or separated into different groups.

where do the unique traits come from??? from mutations, errors in the DNA replication. some are good, some are bad, regardless, these errors happen with every single generation of all living things big and small.

Evolution is waaaayy to big to be compromised by one bad scientist or some mislabeled fossils and especially not by evidenceless hypothesis.

evolution has been, still is, and always will be observed, tested, and studied. not only is there more reviewed and tested evidence for evolution than any other "theory", new supporting evidence is found every day, and it is reviewed, tested, and observed over and over and over again.

regardless of what your definition of theory is, or your hypothesis of how the species of animals that have and do exist here are so diverse and continue to change, that doesn't change the fact that it is real, and it does happen....its evolution, animals evolve and so did we.

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Multispecies don't apply for a genetics job. I forget the exact breakdown, but if I remember it's 25% of each of your parents, 12.5% each set of grandparents and on down. So 50% parents, 25% all grandparents, 12.5 % all great-grandparents etc.

No evolution is not fact. If it were fact it would no longer be theory. That is so wrong I don't know where to begin. Fact???? Maybe you better let the scientific community know that.

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you are wrong, its that simple.

If it is not fact, then go claim your Nobel prize by presenting your case that disproves the observation of species changing into others to the entire scientific community.

Gather your evidence and present it to the world to be reviewed and compared to what supports evolution. don't tell me evolution is wrong, I'm nobody, Go show the world what you have discovered, become famous and claim your prize. You're just gonna leave us in the dark to believe such foolishness?

The ENTIRE scientific community is waiting for evidence of your claim, and this is how you convey groundbreaking scientific Nobel prize winning information, to me, here on fishingbuddy.

I'm myself am eager and excited to see such earth shattering evidence that could contradict the mountain ranges of data, testing, evidence, and observations that explain and show us how life changes and adapts on this planet.

Don't reply to me, go tell the real scientists and scholars of the world.

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this was probably the best post of this entire thread

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Boy you "science" guys get your panties in a wad when someone questions YOUR FAITH in a "theory".

So far I have only seen a couple of posts where people actually sound like they understand faith, and they aint from the junior scientist club.

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 gst is another modest man of wisdom who refuses to present his earth shattering evidence against evolution and claim his Nobel prize.

I don't need faith to know my shoes are tied, just like evolution, I can look and see for myself, I can touch the laces, I can untie and then retie them to be extra sure, I can the ask another person to look and tell me they are tied, then have them untie and retie my shoes.  That's how science works.

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I guess my faith in God is the same as your faith in evolution.  I believe!  I also understand your believing by what you have seen and observed.  The words of Christ in John 20:29:  "Thomas, because you have seen me, you believe.  Blessed are those who have not seen, yet still believe."

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 I can "shake hands" with evolution

Things like evolution don't care what religious faith you believe or practice.  The evidence, tests, and observations are the same with or without it.  1+1=2 if you're Muslim, 1+1=2 if you're hindu, 1+1=2 if you're Christian, and even if you practice Santeria.  

Evolution has happened, does happen, and will continue to happen with every replication of a living thing.  Don't question me, don't just have faith its real, go shake hands with it.  The evidence and observations are there for all to see.

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 scientists don't want you to "have faith" in what they find, they want you to come look at and analyze it, to be critical of it, double check their work, over and over again always on the look out for mistakes.  Don't insult their hard work by just having faith, when so much evidence is there to observe, test, and touch.

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