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In Fargo when people are building dikes is the focus always long the river, or do all individual home owners in neighbor hoods off of the river also ring dike there homes for protection?  Seems like like of the individual focus is what is going on in Bismarck IMO.

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The sandbagging is going slow imho.    I've been sitting in line for an hour and moved only about 200-300 yds.   I wish I had someone to sit in my truck and drive it when the line moves so I could be filling bags.

I wish they would cancel school and get some kids out here filling sandbags.

cant agree more --- negligence on part of the school board and administration.

You will have to call the schools.  There was a reason Fargo couldn't let out school and I am sure there are similar reasons.  Fargo did a little here and there but I know there were some schools that just flat out couldn't.

The last regular day of school for high schools was Tuesday.  Wed - Fri are finals, which only about 20% of the students have to take due to attendance policies.  So, most HS students are free.  Final day for everyone is tomorrow.  Just to throw that information out there, not saying they shouldn't have let school out...

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What they need to do is post all the Fargo articles from 2009 on the Bismarck website.

In 2009 Fargo had to make and place a lot of sandbags really fast…with great leadership and overwhelming community support it got done…Bismarck needs to take on that attitude their city leaders need to step forward and it is time to erase any boundaries that exist and become a true North Dakotan and help your neighbor in times of need…

That's being done and has been done.

Fargo got all winter to prepare.  Bismarck got about three days.

Granted the circumstances are different but the attitude needs to be the same…the whole city of Fargo and surrounding communities banned together…I sure hope the same for Bismarck.

A lot of western ND has criticized the Eastern side when we fought our flood…I hope those out west understand now how devastating or potentially devastating rising waters can be. This is our state capital and I almost feel if it’s as bad as we think that the governor should put the call out across the state for volunteers…there is a huge task at hand however the people of this state often refuse to give up and that needs to come to the fore front during these upcoming months….

…dike building will be crucial they have to hold back a lot of moving water for a very long period of time


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Gauger Danger Said:
In Fargo when people are building dikes is the focus always long the river, or do all individual home owners in neighbor hoods off of the river also ring dike there homes for protection?  Seems like like of the individual focus is what is going on in Bismarck IMO.

Phil

It seems most people are just sandbagging individual homes right now; does not seem like an efficient approach.

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Gauger Danger Said:
In Fargo when people are building dikes is the focus always long the river, or do all individual home owners in neighbor hoods off of the river also ring dike there homes for protection?  Seems like like of the individual focus is what is going on in Bismarck IMO.

Phil

It takes an overwhelming but not impossible amount of engineering. Street/Sewer drains have to be plugged, pumps put in so you don't drown in your own juices when it rains, etc. It's a BIG BIG BIG job just to figure out where to properly place the neighborhood dikes. But if they can pull that off quickly, and get 10,000s volunteers and machines coordinated, they'll save a lot of homes. We're pulling for them from Fargo. May drive west over holiday and chip in myself (it's my home town after all).

 

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Gauger Danger Said:
In Fargo when people are building dikes is the focus always long the river, or do all individual home owners in neighbor hoods off of the river also ring dike there homes for protection?  Seems like like of the individual focus is what is going on in Bismarck IMO.

Phil

we protected the city, no individual houses done in the city, in the country was a diffeerent story.  homes along the river built dikes that went for miles all the way through town and such. no ring diking houses, maybe here and there but for most part one long continuous dike


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 It all comes down to how much time there is to prepare. With this short of notice, there is no way to engineer a quick fix to save an entire side of the river, or specific neighborhoods. Everyone is trying for their own, and thats about all they can do right now. Best wishes to all of those people

 

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I know my parents and their neighbors are sandbagging around their block and some blocks around them are doing the same. They have had neighborhood meetings to devise a plan. This is the neighborhood right by Solheim elementary. It's hard to stay positive when it looks like you're fighting a losing battle and knowing that the water is going to stick around for weeks.

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What they need to do is post all the Fargo articles from 2009 on the Bismarck website.

In 2009 Fargo had to make and place a lot of sandbags really fast…with great leadership and overwhelming community support it got done…Bismarck needs to take on that attitude their city leaders need to step forward and it is time to erase any boundaries that exist and become a true North Dakotan and help your neighbor in times of need…

That's being done and has been done.

Fargo got all winter to prepare.  Bismarck got about three days.

Granted the circumstances are different but the attitude needs to be the same…the whole city of Fargo and surrounding communities banned together…I sure hope the same for Bismarck.

A lot of western ND has criticized the Eastern side when we fought our flood…I hope those out west understand now how devastating or potentially devastating rising waters can be. This is our state capital and I almost feel if it’s as bad as we think that the governor should put the call out across the state for volunteers…there is a huge task at hand however the people of this state often refuse to give up and that needs to come to the fore front during these upcoming months….

…dike building will be crucial they have to hold back a lot of moving water for a very long period of time

yellow,

I guess I'm not understanding where any of the criticism came from as far as west versus east.

As for banding together have you listened to the new conferences?  I have.  They are live and can be listened to on KFYR, KFGO, KCJB and I imagine other am stations.  I'm not sure who is dropping the ball?  All that can be done is being done.


 

 

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Gauger Danger Said:
In Fargo when people are building dikes is the focus always long the river, or do all individual home owners in neighbor hoods off of the river also ring dike there homes for protection?  Seems like like of the individual focus is what is going on in Bismarck IMO.

Phil

The issue with Bismarck is backup water through drainages, etc.  The major infrasturucture has to be sured up first and that is going to happen via the Corp of Engineers, state, county and city resources.

That's what happens here in Minot and I imagine in Fargo.  Some areas will involve homes that get "lucky" there area is a major area of concern and the efforts above will directly help them.  Otherwise, home owners are on their own.

The areas that can quickly and swifty hurt Bismarck and Mandan will recieve all the focus until they are confident in it.  Then they will go to zone b, c, d, e, f, g......

Bottom-line, there will be those left to suffer but there isn't anything that can be done.


 

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:

yelowjackt Said:

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What they need to do is post all the Fargo articles from 2009 on the Bismarck website.

In 2009 Fargo had to make and place a lot of sandbags really fast…with great leadership and overwhelming community support it got done…Bismarck needs to take on that attitude their city leaders need to step forward and it is time to erase any boundaries that exist and become a true North Dakotan and help your neighbor in times of need…

That's being done and has been done.

Fargo got all winter to prepare.  Bismarck got about three days.

Granted the circumstances are different but the attitude needs to be the same…the whole city of Fargo and surrounding communities banned together…I sure hope the same for Bismarck.

A lot of western ND has criticized the Eastern side when we fought our flood…I hope those out west understand now how devastating or potentially devastating rising waters can be. This is our state capital and I almost feel if it’s as bad as we think that the governor should put the call out across the state for volunteers…there is a huge task at hand however the people of this state often refuse to give up and that needs to come to the fore front during these upcoming months….

…dike building will be crucial they have to hold back a lot of moving water for a very long period of time

yellow,

I guess I'm not understanding where any of the criticism came from as far as west versus east.

As for banding together have you listened to the new conferences?  I have.  They are live and can be listened to on KFYR, KFGO, KCJB and I imagine other am stations.  I'm not sure who is dropping the ball?  All that can be done is being done.

We can discuss this after the flood - but yellow is correct, I recall some "you Red River folks are stupid for building on a river that floods every year, why should we help people every year that built so close to the river", etc. from some FB folks out west. I was pissed at first, then decided it was just ignorance.
 
It's not the time to get into it though. It's time to pull together and get it done.

It's shocking "how far from the river" some homes are that are affected - both here in Fargo area and in Bismarck. It's all elevation - not distance from the riverbank.

 

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I guess I disagree. 

Have you not seen the comments saying the VERY thing about folks downstream of the Garrison Dam?  There is a ton of them fresh with fingerprints.  Just like with the comments made about the Red I have deleted, edited, locked and stuck up against the comments or at least put a very "kind" explanation toward.  It is well documented throughout the forums of FBO.

I mean, a river is a river and has absolutely zero to do with location in the state.  I just don't see the need for east versus west other than you guys have no flood protection and we do via the dams built in the 1950's.  That's about the only difference and we STILL have to deal with a flood.  Just goes to show, that living by a river is a dangerous situation.  That cannot ever be denied.  But as I have always said, there are reasons, stipulations, etc why people and communities built along the river.  That cannot ever be denied either.


 

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
I guess I disagree. 

Have you not seen the comments saying the VERY thing about folks downstream of the Garrison Dam?  There is a ton of them fresh with fingerprints.  Just like with the comments made about the Red I have deleted, edited, locked and stuck up against the comments or at least put a very "kind" explanation toward.  It is well documented throughout the forums of FBO.

TIm,

I have not had the luxury of listening to all the news conferences. I am not saying that no one is working together…I am saying they have to work together if they are going to get through this … and Fargo’s 2009 challenge is a very good example.

I wish the best to the folks out west…I have several friends that live over there and even on the river.

I however do not know much about how the city of Bismarck is run or about the community as a whole. I am merely stating that if they are to get through this it needs to be an “all in” mentality…if this is already taking place then good for them….


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Tim Sandstrom Said:
I guess I disagree. 

Have you not seen the comments saying the VERY thing about folks downstream of the Garrison Dam?  There is a ton of them fresh with fingerprints.  Just like with the comments made about the Red I have deleted, edited, locked and stuck up against the comments or at least put a very "kind" explanation toward.  It is well documented throughout the forums of FBO.

I should have just stayed out of it. I'm not a west vs east guy in any sense of the word as I've spent plenty of time living in Dickinson, Bismarck, Underwood, Fargo. We're just sensitive last year or two toward critics who bitched at us for living in Fargo and having to fight floods in a wet cycle nobody could have imagined 20-30 years ago when we moved here. Remember that almost all the fishingbuddy members are "west" of Fargo - so when we get bitched maybe we wrongly assume they are "west" members. Floods are horrible and nobody should bitch/criticize at people fighting them as if the flood victims should have known better.

 

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 Voluntary Evacuations just posted for Fox Island residents and a few other areas in Burleigh county.

 

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Voluntary evacuations have always made me scratch my head. Can't you voluntary evacuate at anytime?

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guywhofishes Said:

Tim Sandstrom Said:
I guess I disagree. 

Have you not seen the comments saying the VERY thing about folks downstream of the Garrison Dam?  There is a ton of them fresh with fingerprints.  Just like with the comments made about the Red I have deleted, edited, locked and stuck up against the comments or at least put a very "kind" explanation toward.  It is well documented throughout the forums of FBO.

I should have just stayed out of it. I'm not a west vs east guy in any sense of the word as I've spent plenty of time living in Dickinson, Bismarck, Underwood, Fargo. We're just sensitive last year or two toward critics who bitched at us for living in Fargo and having to fight floods in a wet cycle nobody could have imagined 20-30 years ago when we moved here. Remember that almost all the fishingbuddy members are "west" of Fargo - so when we get bitched maybe we wrongly assume they are "west" members. Floods are horrible and nobody should bitch/criticize at people fighting them as if the flood victims should have known better.

Look at our legislature…west wants roads…east wants flood protection….why not both is what I say!  and yes there were many comments about building your house in a flood plain…

...anyway all of that is water under the bridge…remember hope for the best but plan for the worst


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85,000 thru June 8th.

105,000 starting June 9th and hope it holds...

120,000 cfs is not out of the question.

www.bismarcktribune.com/news/local/article_7071b956-87b3-11e0-8ade-001cc4c002e0.html

The Army Corps of Engineers plans to raise releases from Garrison Dam to 105,000 cubic feet per second, it announced Thursday, pushing the river above its 100-year flood level and leaving local leaders and engineers scrambling to determine how high the water will be.

The corps will move to the new release levels in June, and could go to 120,000 cfs after that, said Todd Lindquist, operations manager at Garrison Dam.

Local officials had been preparing for an 18-foot flood stage on the river, but the new release schedule means no one could say Thursday morning what the new stage will be.
 


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 Voluntary Evacuations just posted for Fox Island residents and a few other areas in Burleigh county.

www.bismarcktribune.com/news/local/article_fb114046-87bc-11e0-bd2c-001cc4c03286.html

Burleigh County has requested residents in three rural Bismarck neighborhoods evacuate. The evacuations are voluntary and precautionary at this point.

People in the Briardale Area should use Sibley Drive to 48th Avenue Southeast to University Drive. The North Dakota National Guard will be at key intersections assisting with traffic control.

People in Hogue Island should use 97th Avenue to Highway 1804.

People in Fox Island should use Tavis Road to Burleigh Avenue to University Drive. The National Guard will be at key intersections assisting with traffic control.

Once water is over the road, emergency response is not guaranteed.
 


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Crazy, isn't there a big hill in the area where I could watch this unfold from a lawn chair with beer in hand, of course after helping sandbag


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guys--- look at the levy protection that was built in mandan -- yes that was used and used frequently in the past -------  kirkwood mall - he!! that was a damn good hunting spot back in the day.   The guy who took those bottoms and developed them along with the city planners at that time and this time - should be hung on a cottonwood tree.    Bis/Man seen its share of floods before sak was built.   The bitching that went on was some not all --- as i think the older of us members know better east and west have both flooded. 

Anyway --- can somebody tell me what level this 105 or 110 lets say do.   That map that bismarck has is based on whats happening next week - not the week after.   Correct?    How high do i need to build -- thats the q of the day.   Maybe one of you map wizards can put that out.

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guys--- look at the levy protection that was built in mandan -- yes that was used and used frequently in the past -------  kirkwood mall - he!! that was a damn good hunting spot back in the day.   The guy who took those bottoms and developed them along with the city planners at that time and this time - should be hung on a cottonwood tree.    Bis/Man seen its share of floods before sak was built.   The bitching that went on was some not all --- as i think the older of us members know better east and west have both flooded. 

Anyway --- can somebody tell me what level this 105 or 110 lets say do.   That map that bismarck has is based on whats happening next week - not the week after.   Correct?    How high do i need to build -- thats the q of the day.   Maybe one of you map wizards can put that out.

They are working on that data now.


 

 

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When they figure they can hold releases back until June 8 or 9th how much rain does that give room for? If it rains at all will that put water over the spillway making holding back releases inpossible?

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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doublebarrelsaloon Said:
When they figure they can hold releases back until June 8 or 9th how much rain does that give room for? If it rains at all will that put water over the spillway making holding back releases inpossible?

That's what computer models are supposed to account for


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Crazy, isn't there a big hill in the area where I could watch this unfold from a lawn chair with beer in hand, of course after helping sandbag

I'm sure there is. 

Has anyone suggested opening up the golf dome or other large, open buildings for living quarters?  Thats what they should be working on.  The water will be there quick, and if there is no feasible way to stop it, then abandon the sandbag effort and do what you can to in the way of prepping for food/water/shelter/porta crapper needs.

from the sounds of it, the sandbaggers don't have clue one whether or not they're doing any good.....more like the "we've got to at least try" mentality.  Time is short here folks, use it wisely.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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I'm from Fargo here, didn't realize there was animosity between east and west during the Fargo flood fight....when it was going on I was too busy sandbagging; not on fishingbuddy.  If I lived in or near Bismarck, I know where I'd be....and it's not the internet….

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I'm from Fargo here, didn't realize there was animosity between east and west during the Fargo flood fight....when it was going on I was too busy sandbagging; not on fishingbuddy.  If I lived in or near Bismarck, I know where I'd be....and it's not the internet….

Many of the "discussions" took place in winter months when many of us were discussing forecasts, snow depths. Comparing them with prior years, some people claiming we got lucky/unlucky last year, some saying anyone living in a flood plain is foolish (maybe so? ;) ) , others trying to explain how wet cycles have people that live miles from surface waters surprised (Devils Lake for example), etc.  The "debates" weren't DURING the flood, it was armchair quarterbacking by everyone between floods when there was snow on the ground and we were all going stir-crazy

 

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Yuck.  Already up to .25 to .50 of rain has fell in Montana today.  Or so it seems if you run the storm total loops.

It just never ends.


 

 

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I hear ya Guy...thats part of it too.

Are they putting in clay dikes in areas where feasible as they do on second street and other areas the machines can get access to in Fargo?  Boy that sure saves a lot of manual labor and sandbags every year in Fargo...not to mention the most important part: time.  Hopefully all the businesses, malls, etc. shut down to allow employees to go and volunteer to help.  That too made a heck of a difference in Fargo.  Just some ideas, I'm sure they are doing what they can but it can't hurt to mention.

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just heard from my cousin that lives in bismarck, he lives down by the river and said he used his equipment to build a dam for his house, but heard about the new water releases and said he was screwed and that there was no use to try anymore he was going to start looking for somewhere else to stay for him and his family.  not sure how he found out or if it is true, but he said 120,000 by the 9th

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