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I am an avid Netflix Documentary watcher, and I saw one lastnight called Religulious by Bill Maher. I know religion is a touchy subject, but hoyl smokes, does this ever bring some light to a very taboo topic. I recommend watching it.

Has anyone seen any other good ones? Street Thief is another really good one!

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First off I will admit straight up I have not watched the Maher film on religion. Do not have much time for either his or Moores self serving "documentaries" .   Nor am I what I would consider an extremely "religious" person, but I have a very strong "faith". This faith is not a result of religious  "preaching", but by watching some people actually  live their lives.

I am curious from those that have watched Mahers film if their was any interpretation or examples of religion from those quiet majority involved in religion that are not "nut jobs"????

We all know the fire and brimstone religion fanatics, but we also know the quiet, humble, put others first people who have devoted their life to THEIR interpretations of the religion they practice that are UNQUESTIONABLY a positie to society and the people they impact.

I find often times it seems the  driveby, often times left wing, condemnation of religion as a whole is often times somewhat selfserving and self excusing in nature.Indeed just as in any and all segments of life, religion has those who will use it for selfserving purposes, as will those condemning it.

I don't recall seeing any fanatics of any religion. There are some players in the mass-media side of religion that Maher players like a fiddle, but for the most part, he visits normal people to talk with them about religion. Hell, he even went to a church at a truck stop that held services in the back of a 18 wheeler! That was good stuff.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion on the matter, i'm in no way deticated enough, nor do I care enough what other people belive. To each their own. I just thought it was a good opportunity to pass on some good information, because I myself have been on a never ending search for info on this matter for the past 1/4 year.

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How hindering religion is on global growth? Please do enlighten us to what that even means.

Let me start by saying I don't want anyone to get butt hurt over this, but it is undisputable that religion is a global deterrent pertaining to growth. Look at the Muslim’s for example (only as an example). The Koran states that all non-believers are considered infidels, and that they should be wiped clean from the earth, or conform to Islam and Muslim ideals. This is mostly the same for Christians and other religions as well. The very first commandment states that you shall have no other gods, this seems a little possessive and jealous to me. The link between country and religion is another hindrance that the US has fallen victim too as well. We are in no way any better than Iraq, Iran or N Korea in the way we handle our business (besides the fact that it is ‘our way’). How can this type of ignorance be good for global growth, or economic expansion??? Let me ask you that question???

Religion is opportune for people of misfortune.  It is an outlet for people who are placed in a dead-end with no alternative (i.e. prisoners, soldiers in a foxhole or someone who has been faced with an adverse circumstance), however it is an unnecessary hindrance and an unfortunate misleading of the common people to believe or preach that at one point on this earth there was only 2 people, one talking snake, a forbidden tree of fruit and the virgin Mary.

There was no physical witness that documented the sightings and actions of Jesus. It was passed on though generations, and then eventually documented into what is now known as The Holy Bible. But, how many versions of the Holy Bible are there these days? Over 25… Sounds a little fishy to me…

How many times have your fishing stories been twisted from one of your buddies to the next, and by the time you hear it again, you don’t even recognize it.

I grew up in the Church, and just started my research just over 3 months ago pertaining to religion. The Catholic Church turned me into an information junky, and I have been very interested in what I have found. The church is a business, and they have the best clients in the world. Clients that are passed down from generation to generation just like those who favor John Deere tractors, or Chevrolet Pickups. The only difference is that the Catholic (Religious) Clients are paying for a service that has never been PROVEN.

So exactly how do you know they have not "been proven"???

Hey I get how many religions are desgned for the self preservation and continueation of the religion itself. Man has had his impact on religion to drive it to these thingsmentioned. But how does one know wether religion "works" or does not "work"?
 
If I live my life adhereing to a set of standards I beleive will get me to a better place in life or after life, how do you know they will not? How do you know this has not made my life better?

If the soldier in a foxhole or prisoner in a cell finds the comfort in his religious beleifs to be at ease with his life and what lies after it, how do you know the value of religion has not been proven?

Some of the most content people I know in life and religion are not  "people of misfortune" nor are they existing in a "dead end" with no alternative. They are simply people that have a stong faith in beleiving if they live their life holding to a standard they accept as their God's teaching their life will be better and something better awaits them after their life here.

So how do you know this is not PROVEN?

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First off I will admit straight up I have not watched the Maher film on religion. Do not have much time for either his or Moores self serving "documentaries" .   Nor am I what I would consider an extremely "religious" person, but I have a very strong "faith". This faith is not a result of religious  "preaching", but by watching some people actually  live their lives.

I am curious from those that have watched Mahers film if their was any interpretation or examples of religion from those quiet majority involved in religion that are not "nut jobs"????

We all know the fire and brimstone religion fanatics, but we also know the quiet, humble, put others first people who have devoted their life to THEIR interpretations of the religion they practice that are UNQUESTIONABLY a positie to society and the people they impact.

I find often times it seems the  driveby, often times left wing, condemnation of religion as a whole is often times somewhat selfserving and self excusing in nature.Indeed just as in any and all segments of life, religion has those who will use it for selfserving purposes, as will those condemning it.

I don't recall seeing any fanatics of any religion. There are some players in the mass-media side of religion that Maher players like a fiddle, but for the most part, he visits normal people to talk with them about religion. Hell, he even went to a church at a truck stop that held services in the back of a 18 wheeler! That was good stuff.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion on the matter, i'm in no way deticated enough, nor do I care enough what other people belive. To each their own. I just thought it was a good opportunity to pass on some good information, because I myself have been on a never ending search for info on this matter for the past 1/4 year.

Hmmm.... You have researched this for 3 months using sources such as Bill Maher for educational purposes...get back to me in 2000 years.

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First off I will admit straight up I have not watched the Maher film on religion. Do not have much time for either his or Moores self serving "documentaries" .   Nor am I what I would consider an extremely "religious" person, but I have a very strong "faith". This faith is not a result of religious  "preaching", but by watching some people actually  live their lives.

I am curious from those that have watched Mahers film if their was any interpretation or examples of religion from those quiet majority involved in religion that are not "nut jobs"????

We all know the fire and brimstone religion fanatics, but we also know the quiet, humble, put others first people who have devoted their life to THEIR interpretations of the religion they practice that are UNQUESTIONABLY a positie to society and the people they impact.

I find often times it seems the  driveby, often times left wing, condemnation of religion as a whole is often times somewhat selfserving and self excusing in nature.Indeed just as in any and all segments of life, religion has those who will use it for selfserving purposes, as will those condemning it.

I don't recall seeing any fanatics of any religion. There are some players in the mass-media side of religion that Maher players like a fiddle, but for the most part, he visits normal people to talk with them about religion. Hell, he even went to a church at a truck stop that held services in the back of a 18 wheeler! That was good stuff.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion on the matter, i'm in no way deticated enough, nor do I care enough what other people belive. To each their own. I just thought it was a good opportunity to pass on some good information, because I myself have been on a never ending search for info on this matter for the past 1/4 year.

Hmmm.... You have researched this for 3 months using sources such as Bill Maher for educational purposes...get back to me in 2000 years.

I watched this for entertainment value. If you are a faith man, or religious by any means, you are following a book that is 2000+ years old that has never once been validated, and in fact has been proven incorrect more than anything. Why do you think that 93% of all scientists do not beleive in religion? Because they are stupid? I think not...

Even if I did use comedian as a reference, how is that any worse or any better than a christian using the Bible as a daily reference to live their lives? The bible has never (I repeat, NEVER) been validated, therefore, it holds no validity in my eyes. To each their own. 

No hard feelings, just an interesting topic IMHO. 

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 I have read and or watched several pieces that have proved much of what is written the Bible to be true. The New Testament is a book more people should read and model their lives after, if more did so this world would be alot better place. To each their own.

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"We are in no way any better than Iraq, Iran or N Korea in the way we handle our business"

SAY WHAT!!!!!!!!!!?????! WOW!

 

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Most non-believers are non-believers because they consider it an easier way even though they can't see it for that. It sure is easy to live your life according to your own standards. You never have to feel guilty about anything because, hell, this is how I am going to live my life.  I guess the thing I wonder is where exactly those standards came from. Must have been out of thin air.

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the documentary didn't have any fanatics really.  just people and clergy speaking their mind regarding their particular religion.

my 2 cents... religion as a guide to live you life can only be a detriment if taken to the extremes of any chosen religion.  most have similar moral standards and codes that are of great benefit to both individuals and society as a whole.  it is only when you take the train of thought "its my religion or hell and/or death to you" that religion tends to become a detriment to society.  someone spoke above about jesus' teachings of tolerance, kindness, love for everyone, forgiveness, etc... well nobody can argue that living your life by his teachings would be detrimental to society or the individual.  but, even most christians don't do this.  instead they pick and chose what "teachings" they want to follow and then thump their chests about what good christians they are because they go to church and support whatever "church" they belong to at the same time condemning those who don't belong to the same.  jesus himself is probably pretty ashamed of where "religions" have taken us in this day in age all while invoking his name.  i'd be willing to be he would rather there were no "religions" and/or "churches" as long as everyone followed the simple rules he laid down and paid respects to "their god" on a regular basis... whatever that particular person's vision of "their god" happens to be.

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I see a LOT more generosity of time/$ from my christian friends and co-workers than agnostics and athiests. How odd... Not. Why are Christians so easily thrown under the bus with all the good they do?

 

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Proud pompous Christians are NOT practicing their faith when they do that. That's like saying all fishingbuddy members suck because of the half dozen nasty trolls we have posting. Every barrell has got a few bad apples, even Christianity/churches.

 

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Proud pompous Christians are NOT practicing their faith when they do that. That's like saying all fishingbuddy members suck because of the half dozen nasty trolls we have posting. Every barrell has got a few bad apples, even Christianity/churches.


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First off I will admit straight up I have not watched the Maher film on religion. Do not have much time for either his or Moores self serving "documentaries" .   Nor am I what I would consider an extremely "religious" person, but I have a very strong "faith". This faith is not a result of religious  "preaching", but by watching some people actually  live their lives.

I am curious from those that have watched Mahers film if their was any interpretation or examples of religion from those quiet majority involved in religion that are not "nut jobs"????

We all know the fire and brimstone religion fanatics, but we also know the quiet, humble, put others first people who have devoted their life to THEIR interpretations of the religion they practice that are UNQUESTIONABLY a positie to society and the people they impact.

I find often times it seems the  driveby, often times left wing, condemnation of religion as a whole is often times somewhat selfserving and self excusing in nature.Indeed just as in any and all segments of life, religion has those who will use it for selfserving purposes, as will those condemning it.

I don't recall seeing any fanatics of any religion. There are some players in the mass-media side of religion that Maher players like a fiddle, but for the most part, he visits normal people to talk with them about religion. Hell, he even went to a church at a truck stop that held services in the back of a 18 wheeler! That was good stuff.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion on the matter, i'm in no way deticated enough, nor do I care enough what other people belive. To each their own. I just thought it was a good opportunity to pass on some good information, because I myself have been on a never ending search for info on this matter for the past 1/4 year.

From an earlier post:

"You guys can not like Bill, but he doesn't even say much in this film. The radical religious figures say it all. They back themselves into a corner, and can't get out."

I guess this was where I formed the terminology I used in my question.

So were these people "radical" or not?

I am still curious how one can catagorically deny the "service" gained from religious beleifs and commitments and the faith that arises from them has not beeen proven?

The very examples you give would question that claim.

If the soldier in the foxhole finds a peace from the fear that is gripping him and gains the courage to go forth has not the "service" of faith based in religion been realized?

If the prisoner in a cell realizes and accepts the act that got him there was wrong and accepts his consequencesand changes his life because of his learning of faith thru religious teachings has not a "service" been realized from religion???

How can you know that a better life awaits you after this one is ended has not been "proven" or "disproven"?
 
I tend to agree with espringers, to much emphasis is placed on what religion one follows rather than the path of Faith one follows.

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Har! No johnr.

 

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Other good ones on Netfilx:
Training Rules:  About Penn State basketball and views on lesbians in Program

Food Inc: Far left view of where our "food comes from" can't say I agree with it, but is entertaining, but will tick you off if you are in the ag related industries

Thanks for starting this topic!

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 I have not seen the Religulious documentary, I will have to look for it.   I have seen the movie Jesus Camp, that is mostly filmed in ND.   Somewhere I read that it is no longer available on netflix.  To me taking these kids and putting the weight of the world on their shoulders along with the brainwashing amounts to child abuse.  

Religion in ones personal life can be a good thing.   When it becomes a crusade to make everyone else believe like you and act the way your religion says to, I have a problem with it.  (ie: mixing politics and religion)   

I sincerely tried religion for a number of years and it failed me miserably.   I am much more content as a non-believer.  I have also done a fair amount of research and  reading over the last couple of years.   Religions effect on people fascinates me.   Maybe some people are wired to believe and some aren't.      

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 I just checked.    Jesus Camp is available on netflix.     Check it out.  

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Check this out.  It's about Flavious Josephus an ancient secular historian.

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/josephus/g/Josephus.htm

  I find it odd that people may question Josephus, but don't question historians that talk about Socrates, Plato, Cesar etc. 

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Most non-believers are non-believers because they consider it an easier way even though they can't see it for that. It sure is easy to live your life according to your own standards. You never have to feel guilty about anything because, hell, this is how I am going to live my life.  I guess the thing I wonder is where exactly those standards came from. Must have been out of thin air.

haha, Christianity most certainly did not invent morality. Most of the non believers I know, realize how ridiculous it is to belive, that in the vast history of the world and all of it's different religions and Gods, that Christianity is the one true religion.

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 To me non-believers have to live with their actions.    Believers get to be forgiven.  

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 I have not seen the Religulious documentary, I will have to look for it.   I have seen the movie Jesus Camp, that is mostly filmed in ND.   Somewhere I read that it is no longer available on netflix.  To me taking these kids and putting the weight of the world on their shoulders along with the brainwashing amounts to child abuse.  

Religion in ones personal life can be a good thing.   When it becomes a crusade to make everyone else believe like you and act the way your religion says to, I have a problem with it.  (ie: mixing politics and religion)   

I sincerely tried religion for a number of years and it failed me miserably.   I am much more content as a non-believer.  I have also done a fair amount of research and  reading over the last couple of years.   Religions effect on people fascinates me.   Maybe some people are wired to believe and some aren't.      

. I'm  thankful I grew up in a household that decided to let me chose what or what I do not believe.

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Mormans are... One of their belifes says that Jesus himself vistied the Americas? Where is this at in the Christian Bible.

 

thats right, it has to be in the christian bible to be true.  the other 10,000 religious handbooks got it all wrong.

I can see your argument for Dec 25th coinsidentaly being the same birthdate as all the other metiterranean gods before jesus, but what about the other 'similarities' between the christian leader and Horus? They virtually did the same thing, except Horus was "born???"  well before jesus.
 

there are dozens of figures that were born of a virgin on dec 25th, performed miracles, crucified, resurected, 3 kings (or 3 figures of some sort) 12 deciples (or similar figures) and all of these are based on the movements of the sun, moon, stars, & seasons only we have personified the cycles of these things into a story so big that has gotten so far out of control we cant do away withi it.

I have read and or watched several pieces that have proved much of what is written the Bible to be true. The New Testament is a book more people should read and model their lives after, if more did so this world would be alot better place. To each their own.


From the bible...
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If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
14And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
15Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
16And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
17And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
18And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
19And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
20But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
21Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

I think you're right, the world would be a much better place if more of us practiced things from a fictional 2000 year old "handbook".  Thats what I love about religion, you can hand pick the parts in these books you want to live by and pretend the rest doesn't apply to you or your own beliefs.  unfortunately in most cases of science I get busted if I try & make stuff up and gravity still won't bend to my needs.
 
Most non-believers are non-believers because they consider it an easier way even though they can't see it for that. It sure is easy to live your life according to your own standards. You never have to feel guilty about anything because, hell, this is how I am going to live my life.  I guess the thing I wonder is where exactly those standards came from. Must have been out of thin air.
Where do you come up with that?

no, being a non-believer is pretty tough actually.  no one chooses to be atheist, as one chooses a religion.  knowing that when I die, there is no magical spirit ghost that rises up to a god to spend eternity floating on clouds in the afterlife is not easy to live with.  It makes life choices a little more difficult and more thought out.  you know you better do it right the first time.  when you see a dinosaur show on TV, you can go find fossils yourself, when someone tells you the earth is 4.5 billion years old, you can go see for your self in many ways, the earth is round, pretty tough to not believe that, If I close my eyes and let Jesus take the wheel I know I'll hit a tree.  When you begin to understand physics and the general workings of our known universe it's pretty tough to "undo" that knowledge and try to force yourself to believe that a cosmic jewish zombie will make me live forever if I symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that I accept him as my master..., so he can remove an evil force from my "soul" that is present in me because a rib-woman was convinced to eat an apple from a magical tree by a talking snake....yeah I'm gonna stick with science & logic and the rest of you can keep saying that gravity is just a theory.

 

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Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?

 

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Multi, it certainly appears your "faith" is science based, No problem, it is your choice. So why the angst over someone choosing their own manner of "faith" based in religion?

Thru out time there have been happenings science simply can not "explain".  Perhaps it is because science is incomplete,perhaps it is because there is something even more base than science.

When you pass from this world perhaps then and only then will you know for certain.

If you wish to bet it all on black based on YOUR science based "faith" , it is certainly your choice which I respect without snide comments, please give others the same consideration in their religious based faith.

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Guys like Collins state it better than I. Of course he's just another unwashed ignorant like me. ;)

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-04-03/us/collins.commentary_1_god-dna-revel...

 

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I don't ever force religious views on anyone and I can understand how you guys can be sarcastic or cynical about it. With that said, I will tell you what I take from religion. First, I am catholic and historians don't dispute that there was once a man named Jesus and he changed the way people thought about things in a good way. His teachings are far diferent then old testament teachings. He preached love, respect, forgiveness and tolerance. Those are good things no matter who you are. So my take on it is that if you use religion to guide you to perform good works and have good will toward your fellow man, than there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Not even atheists can dispute that,  less they want to look like a fool.

Acting with love, forgiveness, and tolerance with good will toward your fellow man is more honorable if you do it just because it is the right thing to do, rather than doing so out of fear of where you'll go if you don't. Or doing so expecting a reward in the end. 

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Multi, it certainly appears your "faith" is science based, No problem, it is your choice. So why the angst over someone choosing their own manner of "faith" based in religion?

Thru out time there have been happenings science simply can not "explain".  Perhaps it is because science is incomplete,perhaps it is because there is something even more base than science.

There has been and always will be things science has not yet proven, or explained. a simple solar eclips was once thought to be a dragon consuming the sun in a battle against good & evil, but we all know today that isn't true.  I think science has gone well beyond the elementary levels of the bible itself and will continue to go further every day.  just because we don't know how something works or where it came from doesn't mean we can just credit it to invisible figures in the sky.  how much more scientific discovery will it take before people like you start running out of excuses arguments?

when the earth was proven to be round folks like yourself said the same thing, now we are discovering new planets outside our own solar system and outside our own galaxy virtualy by the minute and still the same rebuttal...it's just a theory, or science is incomplete.

When you pass from this world perhaps then and only then will you know for certain.
 

How long must one be dead before you "pass" as you like to call it.  I've been dead for a couple hours and never met any tall long haired blue eyed hippies from the middle east.

Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?
 

Full of myself and "my" scientific intellect? not hardly, everything I have said can be seen checked and proven by yourself. 

did you stop paying attention to science after high school? unless your definition of living is making a swiss watch...yes we have mixed the basic ingredients under the proper conditions and created functioning genetic material.

my question to you is, what will it take? I mean how much proof does one need.  the bible itself can be disproven verse by verse, story by story all day long today in 2012, yet the religious keep forming their own beliefs of how they think it should be to suit their own needs and comfort their own fears of death and their wrongs in life.

atheism is a word to describe one who does not believe in gods, it is not a group, nor a religion on chooses, it just means we don't believe it.  I don't believe greek mythology just as you don't, but at the time, the greeks believed in it just as much so as you do Jesus today. 

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Respect science, but don't put faith in it.   After spending 35+ years in science I am most impressed with how little we know.  We are small minded people living on a tiny spec in a vast universe yet we think we know so much.  Man is such an arrogant species.
When you guys have researched this for 50years, spent 35 years in science, watched politics twist both until the truth is buried then I would be interested in what you think.

Read some history by secular historians then compare that to some of the Bible.  I would guess if you do a good job it will at least make you think.  Read Darwins's Black Box by Michael J. Behe and compare it to the theories of irreversible complexity.  While reading these understand that just about every powerful and important civilization thought they were the ultimate and no one would ever compare to them.  Those were the same people with the flat earth theory.  In my lifetime science has often messed up.
Example:  When my father had his first heart attack they said he had to use Mazola corn oil because butter was going to kill him.  Today we know hydrogenated oils are worse for you than butter. 
We have mapped the entire human genome.  You want a child with blue eyes, you want blond hair.  No problem your  only limited by the genetic donors.  Oh, oh, now we find that each step in the DNA may have more than one function.  We were wrong just a couple of short years ago.
Virgin birth impossible?  Well now geneticists say the chances are one in five billion.  Of course we have been able to accomplish that through in vitro fertilization for a few years now.  Say, you don't suppose a vastly advanced society could have done that before us do you?  No, I'm not pushing extra terrestrials just trying to spark a thought. 
I don't laugh at agnostics, but atheists are as foolish as those they make fun of.  Please don't misunderstand.  I catch myself doing the same thing, but I'm trying to keep an open mind, and that's what atheists don't do.  If you don't believe that simply ask yourself what do you actually know?  Do you know much of anything someone else has not told you?  Most of us have to say 99% of our knowledge has been passed on to us. 

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an open mind to what? extra terrestrials or the bible?  I know the only proof is, there is no proof, but that doesn't mean I need to believe in invisible men in the sky that need money to reserve my place in the "afterlife"  and any fact can be argued to the point one doesn't even know what to believe anymore, but the earth is 6,000 years old, on the 6th day god created man, noahs ark, Zeus, Athena, etc etc etc. come one, lets get real here.  we can't just keep making up our own safety blankets for death.

Even the Catholic church recently admitted to the strong possibility of intelligent life on other planets, in other solar systems, from other galaxies, when not so long ago onhe would have been burned at the stake for saying we get sick from tiny organisms we can't see called germs.

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Plainsman Said:

Respect science, but don't put faith in it.   After spending 35+ years in science I am most impressed with how little we know.  We are small minded people living on a tiny spec in a vast universe yet we think we know so much.  Man is such an arrogant species.
When you guys have researched this for 50years, spent 35 years in science, watched politics twist both until the truth is buried then I would be interested in what you think.

Read some history by secular historians then compare that to some of the Bible.  I would guess if you do a good job it will at least make you think.  Read Darwins's Black Box by Michael J. Behe and compare it to the theories of irreversible complexity.  While reading these understand that just about every powerful and important civilization thought they were the ultimate and no one would ever compare to them.  Those were the same people with the flat earth theory.  In my lifetime science has often messed up.
Example:  When my father had his first heart attack they said he had to use Mazola corn oil because butter was going to kill him.  Today we know hydrogenated oils are worse for you than butter. 
We have mapped the entire human genome.  You want a child with blue eyes, you want blond hair.  No problem your  only limited by the genetic donors.  Oh, oh, now we find that each step in the DNA may have more than one function.  We were wrong just a couple of short years ago.
Virgin birth impossible?  Well now geneticists say the chances are one in five billion.  Of course we have been able to accomplish that through in vitro fertilization for a few years now.  Say, you don't suppose a vastly advanced society could have done that before us do you?  No, I'm not pushing extra terrestrials just trying to spark a thought. 
I don't laugh at agnostics, but atheists are as foolish as those they make fun of.  Please don't misunderstand.  I catch myself doing the same thing, but I'm trying to keep an open mind, and that's what atheists don't do.  If you don't believe that simply ask yourself what do you actually know?  Do you know much of anything someone else has not told you?  Most of us have to say 99% of our knowledge has been passed on to us. 

I agree with you for the most part. Not the bolded though. The "non-believers" I know have read and studied and turned in to non-believers after they had a conversation with themselves about the facts. Most kids are not brought up to be non believers. The non believers had at one point had to have had an open mind to arrive at where they're at. 

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I want to see a scientist make a piece of copper.

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