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I think it is great that North Dakota for once takes a stand and does what the majority of it's people believe in (yes thats right if you believe in abortion and live in ND you are the minority).  Now we just have to pass gun rights laws, illegal alien deportation laws, stricter welfare/food stamp laws and lower taxes (especially property tax).  Then all ND citizens can all at once raise there middle finger at D.C. and all corrupt liberal states.  Tell them they can all kiss are behinds. 

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There is zero middle ground on this issue (to the zealots on either side).

Pro-Life means abortion is NEVER acceptable.  Not if the life of the Mother is in danger.  Not if the pregnancy is the result of rape or incest.  It can NEVER be acceptable to arbitrarily terminate a life.  All is God's Will.  Any other view is hypocritical.

Pro Choice means abortion with little or no restrictions.  Something we don't have now.

What we currently have is something in between.  That's the Law of the Land post-Roe v Wade.

The Bills signed into Law today are designed to move the line.  That's all it is.  The only part that bothers me a little bit is that North Dakota Taxpayers get to finance the fight.

I'm also a bit perplexed that our Legislature that cares so deeply about the unborn doesn't seem to care a whole lot about kids after they are born.  That's kind oif a puzzler.

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What are the details to this? What if the women has serious complications and can/will die? Im just wondering tis all - not debating anything

That's a good question. I'd be interested in the details as well. If anyone knows please share because I'm sure everyone could find some common ground. 

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Riggen,  the majority is glad he signed the bill????? Not a chance.  You are wrong.  The voters will speak in the next election.  I don't know too many women who are o.k. w/ this and women ARE allowed to vote.

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I am sure he has his eyes on a White House bid some day. Why else would he sign them. It will cost this state millions for the court battles that are to come!

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I should get a tax deduction for a vasectomy.

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 Maybe next session these busybodies can pass the "every sperm is sacred" act.   We need to put an end to some of this seed spilling that is going.    God hates seed spillers.

 It's only right, it's only right.

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 a beating heart does not supply an organism with conscious thought, emotion, pain or self awareness. By the new laws an unconscious brain dead severely deformed fetus that may even pose risk the the health or the life of the mother has to be carried full term and nurtured by the parents and tax payers even though its a brain dead piece of meat so long as it has a beating heart.

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Riggen&Jiggen Said:
I think it is great that North Dakota for once takes a stand and does what the majority of it's people believe in (yes thats right if you believe in abortion and live in ND you are the minority).  Now we just have to pass gun rights laws, illegal alien deportation laws, stricter welfare/food stamp laws and lower taxes (especially property tax).  Then all ND citizens can all at once raise there middle finger at D.C. and all corrupt liberal states.  Tell them they can all kiss are behinds. 

I think you are right about the minority and majority. Although I'm not so sure a majority are glad he signed them. I think a lot more people would be happy if the state took up a few of the other issues in your post before they went at this one. If the state is going to blindly throw money at stuff why not education first?

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just gonna get worse from here on out. whether right or wrong(our opinions) dont matter. when you tell people what they can do with their own body is where i draw the line. just gonna be more and more of it. i dont believe i should have to wear a seatbelt but guess what they dont care. kids dont wear them in a school bus but at 30yrs old i have to in my truck? seems odd doesnt it. i cant smoke 20ft within a doorway outside now either. might as well not be able to smoke in public like california. cant have pop in schools either now. its getting ridiculous.

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Candiru Said:
 Maybe next session these busybodies can pass the "every sperm is sacred" act.   We need to put an end to some of this seed spilling that is going.    God hates seed spillers.

By nature we kill sperm because it only survives so long.

But I don't know why this always seems to be the subject.  The frickin subject is a beating heart for crying outloud.

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skeeterguy Said:

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Candiru Said:
 Maybe next session these busybodies can pass the "every sperm is sacred" act.   We need to put an end to some of this seed spilling that is going.    God hates seed spillers.

By nature we kill sperm because it only survives so long.

But I don't know why this always seems to be the subject.  The frickin subject is a beating heart for crying outloud.

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Are you saying those of us that believe it isn't in our rights to tell someone what they can and cannot do are bad people?


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Riggen&Jiggen Said:
I think it is great that North Dakota for once takes a stand and does what the majority of it's people believe in (yes thats right if you believe in abortion and live in ND you are the minority).  Now we just have to pass gun rights laws, illegal alien deportation laws, stricter welfare/food stamp laws and lower taxes (especially property tax).  Then all ND citizens can all at once raise there middle finger at D.C. and all corrupt liberal states.  Tell them they can all kiss are behinds. 

Riggen, by passing these the one thing you won't be seeing are lower property taxes.  They're gonna need those dollars to pay for the lawyers to defend these bills and to pay for the additional unwanted kids you're making these people have.  If you're not willing to pay the cost, then don't make the laws.  One requires the other.

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This is another way to chase young people with a mind out of North Dakota.  Those dipshit morons in the legislature need to be removed but instead you have morons who keep voting them in.  My fiance and I are probably going to need to use some type of invetro therapy in order to have a child one day, and that is just one of the things outlawed in these bills.  They're going after stem cells too - what happens when you get cancer one day and need a new type of therapy to survive?  Better fork over the gas money to drive to Rochester or another hospital out of state.  Who has the right to tell a person what to do with their body?  If they need an abortion for one reason or another, who am I to tell them they can or cannot?  Hypocritical assholes - each one of them.  Let's call each other conservatives because we believe government shouldn't be involved but then we vote to involve government into a woman's body.  I will never vote for another republican in my life after today - will not happen.  Let's waste our money on another lawsuit on something that has been settled for 40 years rather than build  bridges/roads/infrastructure in the state. Dumb.

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 just a quick show of hands here, how many of us know anyone who has had an abortion?  I'm just curious how severe this rampant epidemic of abortions really is here in ND.

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There are elements to this debate that never get mentioned but have great consequences - sometimes lifelong consequences for the scared kids that get one.

A significant number of women who had abortions when they were pretty much children themselves now regret it as the worst thing they ever did. I know two women in my life that carry the regret of having one and wish they could undo it.

But then again - it's just a cluster of cells... not really a baby. Those women are haunted for silly reasons. They should think of it as having had a pesky mole removed, right?

Abortions are a nasty deal and I understand the horror/drama behind being motivated to have one. I agree with the others - we should fight hard to remove the need to ever had to decide by looking at as many ways as possible to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Nobody wins in an abortion.

 

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DirtyMike Said:

skeeterguy Said:

Tim Sandstrom Said:

Candiru Said:
 Maybe next session these busybodies can pass the "every sperm is sacred" act.   We need to put an end to some of this seed spilling that is going.    God hates seed spillers.

By nature we kill sperm because it only survives so long.

But I don't know why this always seems to be the subject.  The frickin subject is a beating heart for crying outloud.

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Are you saying those of us that believe it isn't in our rights to tell someone what they can and cannot do are bad people?

No, you just see it differently.  You think its controlling the rights of a person to do what they want with their own body.  I believe that abortion is the "act of control" by killing another individual that has no say.  Making a law against abortion does not control what people want to do with their own body.  It protects the  innocent from murder and the control of the murderer.

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This is another way to chase young people with a mind out of North Dakota.  Those dipshit morons in the legislature need to be removed but instead you have morons who keep voting them in.  My fiance and I are probably going to need to use some type of invetro therapy in order to have a child one day, and that is just one of the things outlawed in these bills.  They're going after stem cells too - what happens when you get cancer one day and need a new type of therapy to survive?  Better fork over the gas money to drive to Rochester or another hospital out of state.  Who has the right to tell a person what to do with their body?  If they need an abortion for one reason or another, who am I to tell them they can or cannot?  Hypocritical assholes - each one of them.  Let's call each other conservatives because we believe government shouldn't be involved but then we vote to involve government into a woman's body.  I will never vote for another republican in my life after today - will not happen.  Let's waste our money on another lawsuit on something that has been settled for 40 years rather than build  bridges/roads/infrastructure in the state. Dumb.

So now you are just going to vote Democrat? Say goodbye to your guns, hello to taxes through the roof, and welcome every illegal immigrant into the country. Good luck with that.

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There are elements to this debate that never get mentioned but have great consequences - sometimes lifelong consequences for the scared kids that get one.

A significant number of women who had abortions when they were pretty much children themselves now regret it as the worst thing they ever did. I know two women in my life that carry the regret of having one and wish they could undo it.

But then again - it's just a cluster of cells... not really a baby. Those women are haunted for silly reasons. They should think of it as having had a pesky mole removed, right?

Abortions are a nasty deal and I understand the horror/drama behind being motivated to have one. I agree with the others - we should fight hard to remove the need to ever had to decide by looking at as many ways as possible to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Nobody wins in an abortion.

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It's not an individual and it's not murder.  Once I see pregnant women who have either smoked or drank while pregnant get strung up on attempted murder charges (assuming they gave birth to something with a heartbeat), I'll start agreeing with you. 


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So now you are just going to vote Democrat?

Looks a lot better after today.  And no I won't apologize for that.  I guess I'll just cancel out your vote next time if you are going to vote for those same backward legislators and our dumbass governor again.

Slow is smooth and smooth is fast.  That means I was the fastest kid in high school. 

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Abortions are a nasty deal and I understand the horror/drama behind being motivated to have one. I agree with the others - we should fight hard to remove the need to ever had to decide by looking at as many ways as possible to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Nobody wins in an abortion.

Very good point.  I'm having trouble reconciling that with the fact that the very people who drafted these Bills are also vehemently OPPOSED to Birth Control and any Education that teaches anything but abstinence.

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Why are libs and progressives so upset about government telling us what we can/can't do all of a sudden? It's OK for them to micromanage everything else - except killing the unborn?

The liberals and progressives think it's OK for them to manage everything else. Where's the concern or empathy for the little kid getting whacked? I'm just lost on how intolerant libs/progs are when it comes to the gov't limiting something they cherish.

Ugh... cherishing the right to suck fetuses out of scared young women. Creepy.

Oh, and for the record I don't have an opinion - honestly I don't except for my own personal opinion which doesn't factor into this debate. I'm just fascinated (and more than a little creeped out) by the hornet's nest reaction to this.


 

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I know a couple of women.

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 just a quick show of hands here, how many of us know anyone who has had an abortion?  I'm just curious how severe this rampant epidemic of abortions really is here in ND.



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multi-species-angler Said:
 just a quick show of hands here, how many of us know anyone who has had an abortion?  I'm just curious how severe this rampant epidemic of abortions really is here in ND.

Every adult knows an adult who had an abortion. You just don't know who because it's not something anybody wants anyone else to know.

Why is that? Why are people so ashamed if there's nothing wrong or unseemly about an abortion? It's no different than getting a mole removed, right? So why do people go to such lengths to hide abortions? Is it because deep down inside people really know it's a nasty deal for the fetus? I think so.

Your thoughts?

 

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 a beating heart does not supply an organism with conscious thought, emotion, pain or self awareness. By the new laws an unconscious brain dead severely deformed fetus that may even pose risk the the health or the life of the mother has to be carried full term and nurtured by the parents and tax payers even though its a brain dead piece of meat so long as it has a beating heart.

Maybe chop the child up into pieces and sell it as bait?
It would grow the economy, and offset the "tax burden" you piss and moan about.

Spent a few trips up to San Haven back in the 70's and early 80's, even the most "injured" persons had their own unique personality which would always show a true form of Love. They were never judgmental, just accepting of you and of themselves as they are. 

I think several of the people posting  here should be required to spend time "studying" these whom you would rather Sacrifice before they even have gasped their first breath. It would seem that "we" are the the afflicted ones.

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I have a question for anybody who thinks they can give me an intelligent and honest answer. When do you think life exists? Isn't life scientifically measured as the ability to replicate cells? Once you see a cluster of cells multiplying under a microscope, what do you call it? Is it life?



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 I am so happy he signed all off these bills.  Abortion is an abomination....Same sex marriage is an abomination...its time for us to start standing up and quit allowing these things to poison our world.

Its time for people to start caring about others and stop all this selfishness.  Our selfishness is so out of control in this country that if we have to wait for anything or we can't have anything we cry like little babies about it.  Listen, there are so many people hurting in this world that would love to have the problems most of us have....heck they would be happy to have anything.  It is time for us to put our own selfish pride aside and think of others more then ourselves.  We are called to be servants......so who are we serving?  Ourselves, or are we treating others as more then ourselves?

I saw that protester on the news the other day saying "we need to stop the war against women".  What war is she talking about?  In war there are casualties and I can't remember the last time a woman was killed because she had an abortion.  The only casualties are these innocent blessings from God that are killed selfishly everyday.  We need to stop the war on babies!!!!!!

 

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It's not an individual and it's not murder.  Once I see pregnant women who have either smoked or drank while pregnant get strung up on attempted murder charges (assuming they gave birth to something with a heartbeat), I'll start agreeing with you. 

. like i stated before, our opinions dont matter. im not gonna tell someone they have to have a kid or not. we can beat a dead horse but guess what its still gonna be dead in the end.

and no i dont know anyone who has had one.

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 i will still vote for a republican. the problem with this and almost all legislation that is passed is it is not specific to 1 issue. this will affect more then just if an abortion is able to be performed.  

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This is another way to chase young people with a mind out of North Dakota.  Those dipshit morons in the legislature need to be removed but instead you have morons who keep voting them in.  My fiance and I are probably going to need to use some type of invetro therapy in order to have a child one day, and that is just one of the things outlawed in these bills.  They're going after stem cells too - what happens when you get cancer one day and need a new type of therapy to survive?  Better fork over the gas money to drive to Rochester or another hospital out of state.  Who has the right to tell a person what to do with their body?  If they need an abortion for one reason or another, who am I to tell them they can or cannot?  Hypocritical assholes - each one of them.  Let's call each other conservatives because we believe government shouldn't be involved but then we vote to involve government into a woman's body.  I will never vote for another republican in my life after today - will not happen.  Let's waste our money on another lawsuit on something that has been settled for 40 years rather than build  bridges/roads/infrastructure in the state. Dumb.

thats funny i don't remember there being a vote on this issue in the state. we don't get to vote until 2014 on this. 

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I think it is great that North Dakota for once takes a stand and does what the majority of it's people believe in (yes thats right if you believe in abortion and live in ND you are the minority).  Now we just have to pass gun rights laws, illegal alien deportation laws, stricter welfare/food stamp laws and lower taxes (especially property tax).  Then all ND citizens can all at once raise there middle finger at D.C. and all corrupt liberal states.  Tell them they can all kiss are behinds. 

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Pickerel Tamer Said:
I have a question for anybody who thinks they can give me an intelligent and honest answer. When do you think life exists? Isn't life scientifically measured as the ability to replicate cells? Once you see a cluster of cells multiplying under a microscope, what do you call it? Is it life?

The moment the sperm joins with the egg, a completely unique DNA is formed which has everything needed to grow into a Human Being with proper nourishment. 

Life is present from that moment on.

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You should all be glad that your parents and grandparents were "Pro-Life"

My folks are / were not "prolife", they were pro choice, they chose to have 2 children.


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