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You too svnmag....Lets say I wan't come over to the anti-gay side of the room. and it's your job to provide a semi-intelligent argument that just might convince me to do so....can you do better than lame 70s disco hits?

could you answer very simple questions like how do gay people force their beliefs on me? How does being gay, or married and gay a connection to promote pedophilia? and how is gay contagious and what steps should I take to avoid becoming gay?

For the record, the beegees are way "gayer" than kool n the gang

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multi-species-angler Said:
eyexer to answer your question all religion aside....I have nothing against consenting adults involved in polygamy. if the man or woman has multiple spouses that are all in agreement with the "marriage" it makes no difference to me...except of course some miscellaneous tax credit loopholes I don't know about that should be adjusted and fixed should polygamy ever become legal. I don't care about other tribes of different cultures that practiced polygamy for thousands of years, why the hell should I care if "americans" do it?

now, bring religion into the equation....yes, I'm against Mormon fundamentalists marrying 12 year old girls and fhakajuju elders marrying multiple children etc etc....but here we are discussing pedophiles again....so whats the real question....consenting adults marrying eachother, or adults marrying kids?

polygamy is legal now in the state the judge ruled.  At least until the appeals court changes that if they do.  Why would we care if 12 year old girls get married?  How does that affect any of us in any way?  To me it's no different than gay marriage in regard to how it affects any of us.

 

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Now meelosh....the real question is...did all that good come from "the church" or from people who went to that church.

Both, to be honest.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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 yes eye, we know you think gay=pedophile, but can you show and explain a link between the two.  At least show a better correlation of gay to pedophile than catholic church to pedophilia. 

Where did this gay/pedo association come from?

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 yes eye, we know you think gay=pedophile, but can you show and explain a link between the two.  At least show a better correlation of gay to pedophile than catholic church to pedophilia. 

Where did this gay/pedo association come from?

I don't think gay=pedophile.  My point is that those of us opposed to gay marriage warned that making that legal would fast track legalization of pedophilia and polygamy but pro gay's laughed and said we were nuts.  Well we are there already.  Polygamy legal and the ground work for pedophilia being normalized is well underway.

 

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Now meelosh....the real question is...did all that good come from "the church" or from people who went to that church.

Look at donation and aid money totals from the Vatican etc. and compare them to the donations and aid money sent by even the poorest countries in the world to disaster and tragedy stricken places on earth. compare that to the donator's assets & worth, then tell me how the catholic church does more good than an average 3rd rate country

Catholic hospitals serve one in six patients in the United States

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Catholic health care facilities form the largest not-for-profit health service sector in the United States, caring for nearly one-sixth of all U.S. hospital patients each year.

The 620 Catholic hospitals across the country make up 12.4 percent of the nation’s 5,010 community hospitals.

They provide 15 percent of the hospital beds and in 2008 accounted for more than 5.6 million -- 15.8 percent -- of the 35.8 million patients admitted to those hospitals that year.

In addition to inpatient hospital stays, Catholic hospitals handled more than 98 million outpatient visits, 15.7 percent of the national total.

They employ about 540,000 full-time workers and 240,000 part-time workers.

 

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There are more than 1,400 additional U.S. Catholic long-term and other health care facilities, with services ranging from adult assisted living residences and hospice care to outpatient clinics, home health care and skilled nursing.

When those facilities are counted, there is an active, institutional Catholic health care presence in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, including the six states -- Hawaii, New Mexico, North Carolina, Utah, Vermont and Wyoming -- that have no Catholic hospital.

Catholic hospitals handle more than 30 percent of all admissions in Alaska, Iowa, Oregon, South Dakota and Wisconsin. They handle between 20 and 30 percent of admissions in another 17 states, mainly across the Midwest and Northwest.

The Catholic Health Association, using data from the American Hospital Association, reported earlier this year that Catholic hospitals were ahead of other hospitals in a wide range of public health and specialty services traditionally considered “unprofitable.”

These included the percentage of Catholic hospitals offering alcohol and drug abuse treatment, birthing rooms, breast cancer screening, child and adolescent psychiatric services, child wellness programs, community outreach, crisis prevention, dental services, geriatric services, HIV/AIDS services, neonatal intensive care units, nutrition programs, obstetrics, pain management programs, and various social work services.

In these and several other areas, other not-for-profit hospitals lagged just slightly behind Catholic hospitals. Hospitals owned by state or local governments consistently came in third, and investor-owned for-profit hospitals came in fourth -- in many cases a distant fourth.

Breast cancer screening and mammogram services, for example, were offered by more than three-fourths of Catholic and other nonprofit hospitals, by two-thirds of government-owned facilities and by only two-fifths of the for-profits.

In three of the areas -- alcohol/drug abuse treatment, psychiatric services for children and adolescents, and teen outreach -- 20 percent or more of Catholic hospitals had programs, compared to 15-17 percent of other nonprofits, 10 percent or fewer of government-owned hospitals, and only 2-3 percent of the for-profit institutions.

In addition to all of this guess what the atheist has donated to the good of our society, or the muslim, or the KKK, or the black panthers, or our own government for that matter.

 

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yet the biggest/most/worst pedo cases and cover ups in history belong to....NOT GAY PEOPLE

HInt, hint, it wasn't little girls the priests were molesting.   I think some guy who was not attracted to women decided he could put up with not being married.  Later he found out he still had a sex drive, but it was for the opposite sex.  Hmmm I think that means homosexual. 

I unlike you don't think it was the religion that caused it rather it comes down to the person trying to live a life he could not.  We know you hate religion MSA, but it's not the fault of everything.  Also, you always fail to understand we are not better than anyone else, it's just that we are repentant.  I feel guilty for doing things you evidently would not think twice about. 

I'm sorry, but if you want to "not tolerate" pedophile behavior...overwhelming evidence will show that the Christian club you support so much is guilty of way more gay pedophilia than even the advertised pedophile's club.

That has to be the dumbest thing I have heard.

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Great Post!  Thanks, JohnR

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I'm not really here to argue anything today, but I will counter with this. For that same accusation, there's this:

ME: I don't accept or support homosexual behavior.
PUBLIC: THIS GUY HATES GAYS.

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And before you guys start the "he hates Christian people" banter let me just discredit that with a simple example.

GST heard me say "I hate cancer"
GST says: "MSA hates people with cancer"

so please keep that in mind before thinking our differences in religion somehow makes one side of the argument any more credible. in fact, to help your side out, I would avoid any mention of participation in the catholic church when it comes to discussions about pedophilia.



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if you're serious about putting a stop to pedophilia...vote to ban catholic churches, gay people have nothing to do with this

Say what? Wow, I always thought gay men felt social pressure not to be gay, so they joined the church "to avoid sin", then found the youngsters in their charge easily coerced into gay activities - too easily corrupted. So much so that the gay guy's sexual urges win over in the battle of wills.

A gay guy has urges just like straight guy... I always thought that after a few yearsthat the alter boy eventually looked like an easy target of opportunity to "secretly" be the recipient of the gay guy's uber-pent up sexual urges.

The reason that more gay guys abuse kids in that position is that the heterosexual guys who had "the calling" to become priests were less likely to be in the priesthood to "hide" their heterosexualness - they had other reasons - some virtuous - some not.

Thus heteros are inherently a lower risk population to fall off the sex wagon and abuse kids under their "powerful" position... they inherently came there to serve for mostly non-sexual rational and thus are simply less risky around kids.

I had no idea it was the Catholic churches themselves that cause the gay guys to molest young boys. In that case - hell yes - these Catholic churches need to go!

 

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No matter how you shape it MSA a man that is plugging lil boys is gay....

Hunt Hard and NEVER GIVE UP

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No matter how you shape it MSA a man that is plugging lil boys is gay....

wrong - he's a catholic church

 

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reminds me of....

“Interviewer (who happened to have just one leg): 'So Frank, you have long hair. Does that make you a woman?'

Frank Zappa: 'You have a wooden leg. Does that make you a table?”

Frank Zappa

 

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No matter how you shape it MSA a man that is plugging lil boys is gay....

I agree, so what your saying is all gay men want to plug little boys?  where is this correlation between the gay community and the stigma of pedophilia?

sex with a minor is sex with a minor, wether its man on boy or man on girl or woman on boy, or woman on girl....its still pedophilia.

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multi-species-angler Said:

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No matter how you shape it MSA a man that is plugging lil boys is gay....

I agree, so what your saying is all gay men want to plug little boys?  where is this correlation between the gay community and the stigma of pedophilia?

sex with a minor is sex with a minor, wether its man on boy or man on girl or woman on boy, or woman on girl....its still pedophilia.

No I didn't say that but you read whatever you want to read.... Whatever makes you feel superior.

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Meelosh, I don't hate the catholic church one bit...to be honest the catholic church (aside from all the sex abuse cover ups)agrees with many of my views on both political and scientific topics....but that doesn't stop me from pointing out and laughing at the rampant pedophilia within it, every time some self proclaimed "catholic" equates gay marriage to pedophilia.

multi, to most with any sort of perception, it is clear you do "hate" religion.
For what reason is up to speculation.

And multi please do not join the ranks of those claiming I have said things I simply have not. It only discredits what you may say.

For the record, I do not have an issue with two gay people being granted the same "rights" as two heterosexual people (man and woman) are given thru marriage relating to rights of survivorship ect.
 
There are any number of ways this can be done thru a civil union granting them the very thing they are demanding.

It is simply my ideal that the actual term and classification of "marriage" be reserved for those that have the plumbing to perpetuate the species. (and please do not try and insult an intelligent discussion by bringing up examples of someone that can not have children because of a medical condition ect, I would think you would be intelligent enough to discuss this past that)

But yet it is a vocal, radical segment of the gay community that this "civil union" that would grant them every right a marriage does outside of title that will not rest until that title is also granted.

So what then is this really about multi?

It is not about achieving "rights" for this vocal segment of the homosexual community, it is about forcing their views and acceptance onto others no different than the people they try to condemn for doing the same when that group suggests marriage is between a man and a woman.

Don't be so foolish and biased as to deny that simple truth.

YOU reserve the right to deem YOURSELF what YOU will tolerate when you do not accept a 40 year old man marrying a 13 year old girl as being "right".

Yet you condemn others for reserving the right to not accept two men "marrying" each other.

If you can not see the hypocrisy in that position, you are no where near as perceptive as you might believe yourself to be.

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multi-species-angler Said:
 yes eye, we know you think gay=pedophile, but can you show and explain a link between the two.  At least show a better correlation of gay to pedophile than catholic church to pedophilia. 

Where did this gay/pedo association come from?

Where has anyone said gay=pedophile??

They are two completely separate things multi.

YOU simply do not want to accept that YOU draw the line somewhere and yet condemn others for the line they draw so you try to make claims people have taken a position they have not.

YOU do not want to look in the mirror and accept the hypocrisy that comes with your position.

Take religion, culture, ect... out of it.

Do YOU think it is right for a 60 year old man to marry a 12 year old girl and have all the "rights" that accompany marriage?

Yes or no?

How about a 60 year old woman to marry a 13 year old boy?

Note, the example is NOT a 60 year old man marrying a 14 year old boy so drop the everyone things gay=pedophilia claim.

Come on multi is there ANYTHING you view as "wrong" from YOUR personal standards?

Yes or no?

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if you're serious about putting a stop to pedophilia...vote to ban catholic churches, gay people have nothing to do with this

Say what? Wow, I always thought gay men felt social pressure not to be gay, so they joined the church "to avoid sin", then found the youngsters in their charge easily coerced into gay activities - too easily corrupted. So much so that the gay guy's sexual urges win over in the battle of wills.

A gay guy has urges just like straight guy... I always thought that after a few yearsthat the alter boy eventually looked like an easy target of opportunity to "secretly" be the recipient of the gay guy's uber-pent up sexual urges.

The reason that more gay guys abuse kids in that position is that the heterosexual guys who had "the calling" to become priests were less likely to be in the priesthood to "hide" their heterosexualness - they had other reasons - some virtuous - some not.

Thus heteros are inherently a lower risk population to fall off the sex wagon and abuse kids under their "powerful" position... they inherently came there to serve for mostly non-sexual rational and thus are simply less risky around kids.

I had no idea it was the Catholic churches themselves that cause the gay guys to molest young boys. In that case - hell yes - these Catholic churches need to go!

Thats actually an interesting point and worth looking into more...so the typical priest/child molester cases are commited by gay men that joined the chuch to explore their sexual desires.  Are there any studies or numbers & statistics to support this hypothesis....if there is I'm not opposing this idea....its just hard to comprehend the very small church molestation numbers compared with the entire millions of people that are gay.

As to the catholic church causing child molestation, no it is not a cause.  It is, however, very well known for covering up, and hiding evidence and the criminals that committed such crimes.

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why is it ok to have a gay pride march but if I had a hetero pride march I would be racist

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multi-species-angler Said:
Meelosh, I don't hate the catholic church one bit...to be honest the catholic church (aside from all the sex abuse cover ups)agrees with many of my views on both political and scientific topics....but that doesn't stop me from pointing out and laughing at the rampant pedophilia within it, every time some self proclaimed "catholic" equates gay marriage to pedophilia.

multi, to most with any sort of perception, it is clear you do "hate" religion.
For what reason is up to speculation.

And multi please do not join the ranks of those claiming I have said things I simply have not. It only discredits what you may say.

For the record, I do not have an issue with two gay people being granted the same "rights" as two heterosexual people (man and woman) are given thru marriage relating to rights of survivorship ect.
 
There are any number of ways this can be done thru a civil union granting them the very thing they are demanding.

It is simply my ideal that the actual term and classification of "marriage" be reserved for those that have the plumbing to perpetuate the species. (and please do not try and insult an intelligent discussion by bringing up examples of someone that can not have children because of a medical condition ect, I would think you would be intelligent enough to discuss this past that)

But yet it is a vocal, radical segment of the gay community that this "civil union" that would grant them every right a marriage does outside of title that will not rest until that title is also granted.

So what then is this really about multi?

It is not about achieving "rights" for this vocal segment of the homosexual community, it is about forcing their views and acceptance onto others no different than the people they try to condemn for doing the same when that group suggests marriage is between a man and a woman.

Don't be so foolish and biased as to deny that simple truth.

YOU reserve the right to deem YOURSELF what YOU will tolerate when you do not accept a 40 year old man marrying a 13 year old girl as being "right".

Yet you condemn others for reserving the right to not accept two men "marrying" each other.

If you can not see the hypocrisy in that position, you are no where near as perceptive as you might believe yourself to be.

Some people need to figure out that you can't run a giraffe in the Kentucky Derby!

Hunt Hard and NEVER GIVE UP

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if you're serious about putting a stop to pedophilia...vote to ban catholic churches, gay people have nothing to do with this

Say what? Wow, I always thought gay men felt social pressure not to be gay, so they joined the church "to avoid sin", then found the youngsters in their charge easily coerced into gay activities - too easily corrupted. So much so that the gay guy's sexual urges win over in the battle of wills.

A gay guy has urges just like straight guy... I always thought that after a few yearsthat the alter boy eventually looked like an easy target of opportunity to "secretly" be the recipient of the gay guy's uber-pent up sexual urges.

The reason that more gay guys abuse kids in that position is that the heterosexual guys who had "the calling" to become priests were less likely to be in the priesthood to "hide" their heterosexualness - they had other reasons - some virtuous - some not.

Thus heteros are inherently a lower risk population to fall off the sex wagon and abuse kids under their "powerful" position... they inherently came there to serve for mostly non-sexual rational and thus are simply less risky around kids.

I had no idea it was the Catholic churches themselves that cause the gay guys to molest young boys. In that case - hell yes - these Catholic churches need to go!

Thats actually an interesting point and worth looking into more...so the typical priest/child molester cases are commited by gay men that joined the chuch to explore their sexual desires.  Are there any studies or numbers & statistics to support this hypothesis....if there is I'm not opposing this idea....its just hard to comprehend the very small church molestation numbers compared with the entire millions of people that are gay.

As to the catholic church causing child molestation, no it is not a cause.  It is, however, very well known for covering up, and hiding evidence and the criminals that committed such crimes.

I agree - the church elders should rot in prison for ignoring the abuse and for even passing priests along to molest new victims in new communities like they did - absolutely disgraceful and unimaginable to me.

But you misunderstood me on the highlighted text. I don't think the molesters joined "to explore" (then again anythign is possible) - I always imagined that they joined in an attempt to find a place (physically and spiritually) that their gay desires would lay fallow and/or be otherwise rendered neutral. You know - This type of thing:

And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

There was a time and place where words like that meant something to most religious people - people took it quite seriously.

I'm just guessing but I think the days of the gay pedo priest zombie attacks are over. Less shame/guilt these days - more I'm OK, you're OK attitudes = less gays driven into the church in an attempt to run away from their gay orientation. Now there are churches that welcome gay pastors, most people don't give gays a hard time, etc. So the driving forces behind the Catholic priest gay pedo fest are behind us (no pun intended).

OK, I intended that last one.

 

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why is it ok to have a gay pride march but if I had a hetero pride march I would be racist

I think because heteros don't feel inequal or like they have different rules to live by.

Kinda like when us gun owners feel someone is taking our rights away we have things like concealed n carry fishing tournaments to make the public aware of our concerns.

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multi, perhaps you overlooked the question posed to you as to what YOU find acceptable behavior?

If you did, please go back and reread those posts and then explain why YOUR views are any more valid than another persons?

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KurtR Said:

why is it ok to have a gay pride march but if I had a hetero pride march I would be racist

I think because heteros don't feel inequal or like they have different rules to live by.

Kinda like when us gun owners feel someone is taking our rights away we have things like concealed n carry fishing tournaments to make the public aware of our concerns.

multi you seemed to miss the point.

It is not about WHY the parade is created, it is about what other people call you for creating a parade.

multi, why is it this segment of vocal gays are not satisfied gaining the same "rights" thru a civil union without also gaining the title of "marriage" to go along?

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multi-species-angler Said:

I won't respond to anything but a semi-intelligent (or at least funny) responses.

oops I forgot the all encompassing, self determined "out" to avoid having to answer a question that paints you into a corner.

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KurtR Said:

why is it ok to have a gay pride march but if I had a hetero pride march I would be racist

I think because heteros don't feel inequal or like they have different rules to live by.

Kinda like when us gun owners feel someone is taking our rights away Shave things like concealed n carry fishing tournaments to make the public aware of our concerns.

I feel in equal all the time hell I am white have a job and not gay.   I am tired of the attitude of them if you are not with us you are against us.  You cant not compare the gun thing to the gays as it is in the constitution the second amm. is pretty self defined what it is missed the one about gay marriage.  What amm. has gay rights in it?  I am at such a disadvantage being white I need better credit scores than people of color or if I was gay and got denied a loan just cry homo hate and you have a loan a job or what not.  Forcing schools and business to have so many of a certain race is also a disadvantage I fight.  if they want equality I do also but then again life is not fair I learned that in 3rd grade to bad the vocal minority hasn't and f shit up for every one else.

If they just want to live there life than do it with out the parades with out the attention grabbing. 

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Kurt if you were a black, wounded, lesbian vet federal agencies would be trampling people to hire you.

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Kurt if you were a black, wounded, lesbian vet federal agencies would be trampling people to hire you.

don't forget native

 

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As a father I will defend my child from any threat including pedophiles.  I give a damn what gender, race, age, employment status, political affiliation, religion, or any other identity they portray.  Not debatable or negotiable.  PERIOD!!

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Regrettably, the U.S. government adopted the religious concept of marriage in order to convey benefits in support of "normal families". 

I do not support gay marriage because the root of the concept of marriage is based on religious grounds, Christianity doesn't support it in the bible to my knowledge.  So today  the gay and lesbian community have found a way into normalizing their lifestyle by the equality concepts of the Constitution.  Thus putting pressure on religion and religious people into accepting something they otherwise tend to not agree with morally. 

It is really an interesting tact on their behalf and a heck of a flaw in secular America given we have a Christian founding.

Civil unions I am less against and would be actually an easy sway.  There are, after all, still valid reasons for supporting normal families in this country.

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