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I'd like to know how many archery tags are actually filled each year.  Do we know if there's an average success rate for ND archery posted somewhere on the Game and Fish site, or have they not bothered with this at all?

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Davis Schmidt wrote:

I'd like to know how many archery tags are actually filled each year.  Do we know if there's an average success rate for ND archery posted somewhere on the Game and Fish site, or have they not bothered with this at all?

Pretty sure it's out there, but unfortunately I don't recall where I think I've seen it...

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A larger question you might want to start with is unlimited deer bow tags for both residents and non-residents... without units east of The River. That to me has a lot more to do with deer population management than going after land owners for getting a single tag. 

Non-resident any deer bow tags are limited to 15% of the total mule deer gun season licenses made available during the previous year.

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I agree that bow tags should be under a different system in certain areas. Thats a different topic. Yes, I would agree that most cases people are upset they dont draw tags and see people drawing tags every year. "it isnt fair". If I dont draw this year, in some ways I hope I dont, it will be my 6th point for out west. Doesnt mean I am upset at the system becuase Im not getting a tag. I still think the gratis system has flaws with it. I dont think that is the biggest problem. Once you get a tag you need a place to hunt, thats the biggest issue in ND. Good habittat that is open to hunting. Id like to see  A LOT of things change with all of the seasons here in ND. Bow, rifle and muzzy. I just dont see that happening any time soon. 

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I remember the number around 20% on bow tag success and it was rising slowly last bow tag scare discussion. 

 

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2016 lottery fired up july 20 if i recall correctly. assuming more online apps this year..............why does this take so long ??

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scottsdale wrote:

2016 lottery fired up july 20 if i recall correctly. assuming more online apps this year..............why does this take so long ??

It sounds like the Gratis apps are what is slowing things down, I pasted some responses from the game and fish a little further back in this thread which should more thoroughly answer your question.

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this happened a few years ago as well,know i got checked.

 

 

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Somewhat related to this topic, any thoughts on mandatory harvest reporting?  Get a tag, report your harvest results.  Pros/Cons?

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Dibs wrote:

Somewhat related to this topic, any thoughts on mandatory harvest reporting?  Get a tag, report your harvest results.  Pros/Cons?

I've been advocating for that for years. An online system would be simple to setup but obviously our GNF is so behind the technology game that it still takes 2 months to run a lottery!

They need to move the fricking deadline up a month to get the drawing done by July 1. This is complete BS when some people would like to know if they can use their vacation time in the summer or save it for a hunt that may never happen!

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Dibs wrote:

Somewhat related to this topic, any thoughts on mandatory harvest reporting?  Get a tag, report your harvest results.  Pros/Cons?

I would be all for harvest reporting. Whether you check your game at designated stations or just report online. It would make it easier for the Game and Fish to monitor populations if they knew exactly how many deer were legally killed in each unit.

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MN does harvest reporting. Cons, its a hassle, you may be in the woods with no service let alone internet, they give you 24 hrs. But they also have a lot of woods making it more difficult to survey deer numbers. Kind of like they dont allow baiting but they do allow spotlighting for scouting purposes. Different States have different laws for different reasons, not all States need the same laws. I dont think they have ever had a problem surveying populations here on the Plains. I know I always fill out every survey they send or else they keep hassling you.

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Living in Wisconsin most of my life ,we were required to register our deer at a check station,now you just call it in.It works excellent for getting responsible accurate harvest reports.It would be beneficial to hunters in North Dakota to have some type of accurate data to determine tag distribution.

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Gentlemen,

This has been an ongoing issue for quite some time now. There is a very simple solution to many of these concerns sportsman have in the state of North Dakota. Gratis tags are something that are a privalge to those who own, ranch, farm land in the state and in my opinion are great things as long as things are done correctly. You're always are going to have people who abuse the system, that's just a fact of life. Simple fix to this gratis inquiry problem. Once the deer season is set with the total number of tags allocated per unit, simply make the gratis application deadline sooner than the non-gratis application deadline. Take those applicants out of the general lottery pool and do your reference checks well in advance prior to the lottery. If you know you are going to apply for a gratis license instead of the regular gun deer lottery, you could send your intended information into the game and fish well ahead of time before the lottery even comes out. Many other western states do this and it's actually a completely separate drawing. I am going out on a limb here and stating that there can't be many new gratis applicants per year. So speeding up the process by having information sent in well before the lottery if you plan on applying for a gratis license only makes sense. However, if the number of gratis licenses exceeds the total tag allocation for a desired unit, then it turns into a lottery for those gratis applicants in that given unit. Some units will not have tags left over after gratis applications are conducted and that is just simply something that we will have to deal with until the populations change and more tags can be allocated for that unit. Does this upset some people? Definitely. Griping about it isn't going to change anything, its just something that you have to deal with until nature changes. Life isn't fair and not everyone gets a participation trophy. One of the biggest disadvantages we have in the state of ND is lack of man power in the game and fish department to accomodate many of the new things we as sportsman would like to see them implement. Running all applications online is something that is fairly new in this state so it's going to take some time to work through the kinks of technology. As much as it seems like it's a pain in the drawing process, its just going to take some time for them to work through the kinks. I am just like all of you. I do not own land. I hunt mostly public land. My home unit has a lack of tags due to high populations of gratis tags. my home unit takes more preference points now than it does to draw a mule deer tag in 4C. There's only two things you can do: Do some reserach and put in for some other units that tags are easier to come by, or look at hunting some other states that are easier to get tags. I know this is not possible for some people and the good ol days of everyone getting a tag are over and we need to get over that fact. Don't get pissy because landowners get tags. Don't be pissy because the lottery takes "so long". Complaing isn't going to change it and planning vacations is going to be a challenge. While I agree that there are some things the game and fish can definitely change, go out and voice your opinions at the advisiory board meetings. Simple things, such as registering your animals by phone, check stations, whatvever else you make have a concern on can be addressed at these meetings. Or simply call, email, write a letter, whatever you neeed to do to get your opinion heard. Population statistics are a simple fix when it comes to hunter success rates and tag allocation, but as I stated earlier it comes down to man power to make it happen within the game and fish.

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The ND Game Wardens Association just released this on their facebook page.

Waiting patiently to see if you draw a ND deer firearm tag? Wardens have pretty much wrapped up gratis tag reviews (which should give you an idea just how many there were) and it is hoped that around August 1 the announcement will be made for draw results for this years hunting season. Good luck to everyone and be safe out there.

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Welp looks like I'm out of the running. So much for guessing last years date.angry

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If the TSA can institute a "pre-pass" system for air travel, it would seem the G&F could pre-certify landowners who apply for gratis tags each year.  New gratis applications would be the only ones that would need to be verified. A separate deadline is also a good idea, but shouldn't there be some kind of penalty for a false application?  Such as a two-year blacklisting.

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I agree with you Xero, there should be a penalty if you falsify land on your application, however if you think about it, how much land changes hands throughout a year? If they just took all the old applications and put them through without checking, a guy who has sent in for gratis for previous years might have sold his land and still keeps putting in for gratis and that is illegal but that person might think it's all good if they know the G&F don't check every year.

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Regardless of what the tag allocation is, they could make it a priority to have the gratis certification deadline March 15th for example. If you intend on applying for gratis, here is the date that you have to have your required information into the game and fish. Simple. All the verification checks can be done and gone through before non-landowners even are able to apply.

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Simply add all ND land sales over 150 acres into the system also. Delete the old file as they find them. Cant be that many major land sales/transfers yearly. 

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South Dakota West River and Black Hills Deer Gun apps were due last week, GUESS WHAT? LOTTO IS IN PROGRESS NOW. 

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I see NDGF cashed my checks and the lotto is pending now. *Edit, nevermind, that was just the money from the tags I had to buy last week. 

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Mine has always shown pending. Hopefully we know by the end of the week. 

I completley agree the gratis should be held earlier. Heck I would say it should be a deadline of march and start at the begining of the year. 

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A family member called on Monday with a question and was told the drawing would be "later this week".....but its Thursday and we've had no sign of movement.

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No change yet this morning either..

I agree, the deadline for gratis should be much sooner.

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Lottery results appear to be available.  No luck for me, 4 preference points going into next year.

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And now the Game and Fish site appears to not be handling all of the traffic well, loading very slowly or not at all.

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Finally drew my mulie tag!

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4C Mule Deer Doe. 

6 points for next year. 

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After going 5 years with no tag. I have drawn three years in a row! 3b3 white tail buck.

ROOSTER!

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