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I run a Hummingbird Ice-45 and absolutely love it.  I ran a FL-8 for fifteen years prior and loved that also. The only reason I went with the bird is because of the zoom feature I fish crappies a lot and I like the fact I can zoom in on them no matter where they are in the water column.  I have also been looking at a Marcum lx-7 for in the house.  I have noticed no difference in battery life in fact other than the zoom the only difference is the bird is a little better about tuning out interference.  Also the bird has taken many a beating and powers up every time.


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I run a Hummingbird Ice-45 and absolutely love it.  I ran a FL-8 for fifteen years prior and loved that also. The only reason I went with the bird is because of the zoom feature I fish crappies a lot and I like the fact I can zoom in on them no matter where they are in the water column.  I have also been looking at a Marcum lx-7 for in the house.  I have noticed no difference in battery life in fact other than the zoom the only difference is the bird is a little better about tuning out interference.  Also the bird has taken many a beating and powers up every time.

My buddy has the LX-7 and that thing is awsome!  I also like the fact on my LX-5 that I can control the zoom anywhere I want it.

Hunt today like there may be no tomorrow!

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I think I am going to have to pick one up.  I just got there 825 camera and that is the coolest thing i have ever had out ice fishing.  I ran a older marcum black and white and thought I would never have any use for a color camera.  Now i don't see why I didn't buy one earlier.

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I run a Hummingbird Ice-45 and absolutely love it.  I ran a FL-8 for fifteen years prior and loved that also. The only reason I went with the bird is because of the zoom feature I fish crappies a lot and I like the fact I can zoom in on them no matter where they are in the water column.  I have also been looking at a Marcum lx-7 for in the house.  I have noticed no difference in battery life in fact other than the zoom the only difference is the bird is a little better about tuning out interference.  Also the bird has taken many a beating and powers up every time.

My buddy has the LX-7 and that thing is awsome!  I also like the fact on my LX-5 that I can control the zoom anywhere I want it.


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What should I do......

Going to Lake Winnipeg in a few weeks, going after some sumo greenbacks.. Last few weekends my vex (old refrb'd 8) has been act'n up. When I put the ducer in the hole it takes a awhile to give me a reading.. no bottom, no lure. It takes a little bit and then it starts running fine, all day.  Any ideas? Stoped at gander in fargo on monday to get a few things and a worker there (should've got his name, he knew fishing) told me it was prolly my ducer. Told me to hold it to my ear and listen for the crack'n noise.. went home and mine makes the crack'n noise so now I dont know.  Just dont want to get up there and my vex quits working....Buddy said he'd let me take his 8 as back up but i'd like to know if im in the market for a new vex or fix'n my old one?

 

       

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What should I do......

Going to Lake Winnipeg in a few weeks, going after some sumo greenbacks.. Last few weekends my vex (old refrb'd 8) has been act'n up. When I put the ducer in the hole it takes a awhile to give me a reading.. no bottom, no lure. It takes a little bit and then it starts running fine, all day.  Any ideas? Stoped at gander in fargo on monday to get a few things and a worker there (should've got his name, he knew fishing) told me it was prolly my ducer. Told me to hold it to my ear and listen for the crack'n noise.. went home and mine makes the crack'n noise so now I dont know.  Just dont want to get up there and my vex quits working....Buddy said he'd let me take his 8 as back up but i'd like to know if im in the market for a new vex or fix'n my old one?

 

I know the shelves are getting pretty bare here in Fargo but what is there is marked way down so if you are in the market the gettin is good now!

Hunt today like there may be no tomorrow!

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bontop2 Said:

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What should I do......

Going to Lake Winnipeg in a few weeks, going after some sumo greenbacks.. Last few weekends my vex (old refrb'd 8) has been act'n up. When I put the ducer in the hole it takes a awhile to give me a reading.. no bottom, no lure. It takes a little bit and then it starts running fine, all day.  Any ideas? Stoped at gander in fargo on monday to get a few things and a worker there (should've got his name, he knew fishing) told me it was prolly my ducer. Told me to hold it to my ear and listen for the crack'n noise.. went home and mine makes the crack'n noise so now I dont know.  Just dont want to get up there and my vex quits working....Buddy said he'd let me take his 8 as back up but i'd like to know if im in the market for a new vex or fix'n my old one?

 

I know the shelves are getting pretty bare here in Fargo but what is there is marked way down so if you are in the market the gettin is good now!

yea.. Its just hard to part with the old girl.. We've been through alot together. This vex was barried in my uncles garage for years and didnt work. He said "take it".. I sent it in and got all new parts for it. Came back brand new and I've been using it for about 10 years now, crazy. It's prolly time. Its hard to type the words "MarCum" but ive been looking at these as well. I dont know. I hate spending money, I snuck in a new thermal X2 this year. the wife wasnt pleased...dont know if i'd survive a new Fl22 or lx-7 purchase.

       

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 I think theres something to be said for just hitting a button or turning a knob and your good to fish. I for one will pay to not have to change a bunch of settings. I saw a thread on here awhile ago on setting up a HDS and it was like 3 or 4 paragraphs of change this setting, turn this off, turn this on....... no thanks ill fish while you change settings. Do they atleast save your settings after turning it off, i suppose if they do it wouldnt be so bad. Just my opinion they all catch fish, its all personal preference

 

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What should I do......

Going to Lake Winnipeg in a few weeks, going after some sumo greenbacks.. Last few weekends my vex (old refrb'd 8) has been act'n up. When I put the ducer in the hole it takes a awhile to give me a reading.. no bottom, no lure. It takes a little bit and then it starts running fine, all day.  Any ideas? Stoped at gander in fargo on monday to get a few things and a worker there (should've got his name, he knew fishing) told me it was prolly my ducer. Told me to hold it to my ear and listen for the crack'n noise.. went home and mine makes the crack'n noise so now I dont know.  Just dont want to get up there and my vex quits working....Buddy said he'd let me take his 8 as back up but i'd like to know if im in the market for a new vex or fix'n my old one?

 

I know the shelves are getting pretty bare here in Fargo but what is there is marked way down so if you are in the market the gettin is good now!

yea.. Its just hard to part with the old girl.. We've been through alot together. This vex was barried in my uncles garage for years and didnt work. He said "take it".. I sent it in and got all new parts for it. Came back brand new and I've been using it for about 10 years now, crazy. It's prolly time. Its hard to type the words "MarCum" but ive been looking at these as well. I dont know. I hate spending money, I snuck in a new thermal X2 this year. the wife wasnt pleased...dont know if i'd survive a new Fl22 or lx-7 purchase.

I got the LX-5 and they are cheap right now.  At least then you have two cone angles and zoom that can be adjusted.  The 7 is nice but I don't know that it is $700 nice.  I purchased the Jason Mitchell X2 this year also and it is awsome!  Do you like yours?

Hunt today like there may be no tomorrow!

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bontop2 Said:

KillJoy Said:

What should I do......

Going to Lake Winnipeg in a few weeks, going after some sumo greenbacks.. Last few weekends my vex (old refrb'd 8) has been act'n up. When I put the ducer in the hole it takes a awhile to give me a reading.. no bottom, no lure. It takes a little bit and then it starts running fine, all day.  Any ideas? Stoped at gander in fargo on monday to get a few things and a worker there (should've got his name, he knew fishing) told me it was prolly my ducer. Told me to hold it to my ear and listen for the crack'n noise.. went home and mine makes the crack'n noise so now I dont know.  Just dont want to get up there and my vex quits working....Buddy said he'd let me take his 8 as back up but i'd like to know if im in the market for a new vex or fix'n my old one?

 

I know the shelves are getting pretty bare here in Fargo but what is there is marked way down so if you are in the market the gettin is good now!

yea.. Its just hard to part with the old girl.. We've been through alot together. This vex was barried in my uncles garage for years and didnt work. He said "take it".. I sent it in and got all new parts for it. Came back brand new and I've been using it for about 10 years now, crazy. It's prolly time. Its hard to type the words "MarCum" but ive been looking at these as well. I dont know. I hate spending money, I snuck in a new thermal X2 this year. the wife wasnt pleased...dont know if i'd survive a new Fl22 or lx-7 purchase.

I got the LX-5 and they are cheap right now.  At least then you have two cone angles and zoom that can be adjusted.  The 7 is nice but I don't know that it is $700 nice.  I purchased the Jason Mitchell X2 this year also and it is awsome!  Do you like yours?

I wish marcum did what vex does with the ability to get different ducers. I would love the dual beam on my lx3. I think marcum should be taking notes

 

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bontop2 Said:

KillJoy Said:

What should I do......

Going to Lake Winnipeg in a few weeks, going after some sumo greenbacks.. Last few weekends my vex (old refrb'd 8) has been act'n up. When I put the ducer in the hole it takes a awhile to give me a reading.. no bottom, no lure. It takes a little bit and then it starts running fine, all day.  Any ideas? Stoped at gander in fargo on monday to get a few things and a worker there (should've got his name, he knew fishing) told me it was prolly my ducer. Told me to hold it to my ear and listen for the crack'n noise.. went home and mine makes the crack'n noise so now I dont know.  Just dont want to get up there and my vex quits working....Buddy said he'd let me take his 8 as back up but i'd like to know if im in the market for a new vex or fix'n my old one?

 

I know the shelves are getting pretty bare here in Fargo but what is there is marked way down so if you are in the market the gettin is good now!

yea.. Its just hard to part with the old girl.. We've been through alot together. This vex was barried in my uncles garage for years and didnt work. He said "take it".. I sent it in and got all new parts for it. Came back brand new and I've been using it for about 10 years now, crazy. It's prolly time. Its hard to type the words "MarCum" but ive been looking at these as well. I dont know. I hate spending money, I snuck in a new thermal X2 this year. the wife wasnt pleased...dont know if i'd survive a new Fl22 or lx-7 purchase.

I got the LX-5 and they are cheap right now.  At least then you have two cone angles and zoom that can be adjusted.  The 7 is nice but I don't know that it is $700 nice.  I purchased the Jason Mitchell X2 this year also and it is awsome!  Do you like yours?

I wish marcum did what vex does with the ability to get different ducers. I would love the dual beam on my lx3. I think marcum should be taking notes

I guess I have never looked to see if they are interchangable.  All I know is I have fished with a few vex's and my personal opinion is the vex doesn''t compare to the marcum.  I'm sure this will start a fire!

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bontop2 Said:

KillJoy Said:

bontop2 Said:

KillJoy Said:

What should I do......

Going to Lake Winnipeg in a few weeks, going after some sumo greenbacks.. Last few weekends my vex (old refrb'd 8) has been act'n up. When I put the ducer in the hole it takes a awhile to give me a reading.. no bottom, no lure. It takes a little bit and then it starts running fine, all day.  Any ideas? Stoped at gander in fargo on monday to get a few things and a worker there (should've got his name, he knew fishing) told me it was prolly my ducer. Told me to hold it to my ear and listen for the crack'n noise.. went home and mine makes the crack'n noise so now I dont know.  Just dont want to get up there and my vex quits working....Buddy said he'd let me take his 8 as back up but i'd like to know if im in the market for a new vex or fix'n my old one?

 

I know the shelves are getting pretty bare here in Fargo but what is there is marked way down so if you are in the market the gettin is good now!

yea.. Its just hard to part with the old girl.. We've been through alot together. This vex was barried in my uncles garage for years and didnt work. He said "take it".. I sent it in and got all new parts for it. Came back brand new and I've been using it for about 10 years now, crazy. It's prolly time. Its hard to type the words "MarCum" but ive been looking at these as well. I dont know. I hate spending money, I snuck in a new thermal X2 this year. the wife wasnt pleased...dont know if i'd survive a new Fl22 or lx-7 purchase.

I got the LX-5 and they are cheap right now.  At least then you have two cone angles and zoom that can be adjusted.  The 7 is nice but I don't know that it is $700 nice.  I purchased the Jason Mitchell X2 this year also and it is awsome!  Do you like yours?

Love the X2!.. It's a heavy beast but thats ok. Nice to fish out of.

       

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 They arent ive checked with them itd be nice to have that 8 degree ducer but i cant justify buying an lx5 because i fish in 10 fow or less 90% of the time unless im hunting perch on devils thats when id like the 8. Im a marcum man as well. Its all what you prefer to look at imo

 

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 They arent ive checked with them itd be nice to have that 8 degree ducer but i cant justify buying an lx5 because i fish in 10 fow or less 90% of the time unless im hunting perch on devils thats when id like the 8. Im a marcum man as well. Its all what you prefer to look at imo

I've yet to even use my 8 on my LX-5.  I too fish 20 feet or less 90 percent of the time.

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Well that was interesting. Went down to a little bay right by where I work for about thirty minutes. Caught bout 20 dink perch and a fat 3.5 pound walleye. Perch were so thick they had my screen covered 10 ft off the bottom. Took some screen shots and turned the video camera on my fone on to try make a little video of my lure going up and down and the fish reacting to it. Caught the nice walleye while I was taping. Having trouble uploading from my phone. To be continued...

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Well that was interesting. Went down to a little bay right by where I work for about thirty minutes. Caught bout 20 dink perch and a fat 3.5 pound walleye. Perch were so thick they had my screen covered 10 ft off the bottom. Took some screen shots and turned the video camera on my fone on to try make a little video of my lure going up and down and the fish reacting to it. Caught the nice walleye while I was taping. Having trouble uploading from my phone. To be continued...

 sweet

 

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I have an FL-8, 18, and 20.  I love all of them.  If I was getting something just for ice fishing it would be the FL-20.  If I wanted to put it in the boat, I'd get and FL-18.  I have split one open, sent it into Vex on Monday was chraged $60 and had it on Friday to take it back on the ice.  I would like to try a Humminbird and have played with a few Marcumms and wasn't impressed with it.
One of my buddies owned a showdown.  After one day on the ice, he traded it in for an FL-18.
As for how it's compared to an LCD?  I run an HDS 8 on the councel of my boat and HDS7 on the bow.  Next to each one is an FL-18.  When looking at them the Vex is a touch faster.  Yes I have the ping speed and screen speed set as fast as it goes.  I think, if you want both GPS and fishfinder, it's a good thing.  I have also rigged my HDS7 with structure scan and set it up for ice fishing.  This thing ate away at my battery. 
I think all units are good, some just fit your own situation a little better than the other.

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Is anybody suffering from

GEAR MANIA?

Like it used to take me about 5 minutes (or seconds) to setup and fish.   Now it takes me eternity.  

a. A million holes and once found a hole for everybody
b. two transducers down and turn on / set controls
c. camera angle
d. heater
c. tipups outside
d. dont forget to setup the house
e. fire up shock collar in case if open water exists
f. finally drink beer

The only gear that isnt a pia is the beer part.

 

Stay thirsty my friends

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I have fished with Fl-20, bird-45 and lx-5.   Of course it's my opinoin, but I prefer the Marcum.  Very easy to use, lots of options.  I think it's very good for interference.  We have had 3 marcum's in the same house and haven't had a problem.  When I ran the fl-20, i seemed to have more interference if other units were close by.  Don't get me wrong, the fl-20 is a great unit and that would be the only thing i didn't like about it.  The bird-45 was nothing but problems for me, had to return 2 and after the 3rd I switched.  Maybe a string of bad luck.  This is right when they came out as well, so maybe they have fine tuned their machines.  I would try to demo, borrow or do whatever you have to do to try out as many units as you can and decide for yourself.  Everyone has their likes and dislikes.  Good luck.

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I have an FL-8, 18, and 20.  I love all of them.  If I was getting something just for ice fishing it would be the FL-20.  If I wanted to put it in the boat, I'd get and FL-18.  I have split one open, sent it into Vex on Monday was chraged $60 and had it on Friday to take it back on the ice.  I would like to try a Humminbird and have played with a few Marcumms and wasn't impressed with it.
One of my buddies owned a showdown.  After one day on the ice, he traded it in for an FL-18.
As for how it's compared to an LCD?  I run an HDS 8 on the councel of my boat and HDS7 on the bow.  Next to each one is an FL-18.  When looking at them the Vex is a touch faster.  Yes I have the ping speed and screen speed set as fast as it goes.  I think, if you want both GPS and fishfinder, it's a good thing.  I have also rigged my HDS7 with structure scan and set it up for ice fishing.  This thing ate away at my battery. 
I think all units are good, some just fit your own situation a little better than the other.

How do you set your vex ducers up on the boat?  just drop them in while your trolling?  I've often considered bringing mine on the boat.  

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And this is exactly how it is. Gives you 10x the rush that a vex gives. So easy to read and understand. Most bang for your buck and anyone that doesn't believe they need to have an all in one unit or have contours to fish is either in denial or living last decade. Why would it be important in the summer and not in the winter?

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This is the Elite 5 Graph in action.

http://walleye.outdoorsfirst.com/videos/02.19.2012/4705/Lowrance.Elite-.Icemachine.in.action.on.Lake.of.the.Woods.with.Mike.Gofron.and.Mark.Brumbaugh/

IT IS BETTER TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS THAN ASK FOR PERMISSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Auggie1415 Said:
I have an FL-8, 18, and 20.  I love all of them.  If I was getting something just for ice fishing it would be the FL-20.  If I wanted to put it in the boat, I'd get and FL-18.  I have split one open, sent it into Vex on Monday was chraged $60 and had it on Friday to take it back on the ice.  I would like to try a Humminbird and have played with a few Marcumms and wasn't impressed with it.
One of my buddies owned a showdown.  After one day on the ice, he traded it in for an FL-18.
As for how it's compared to an LCD?  I run an HDS 8 on the councel of my boat and HDS7 on the bow.  Next to each one is an FL-18.  When looking at them the Vex is a touch faster.  Yes I have the ping speed and screen speed set as fast as it goes.  I think, if you want both GPS and fishfinder, it's a good thing.  I have also rigged my HDS7 with structure scan and set it up for ice fishing.  This thing ate away at my battery. 
I think all units are good, some just fit your own situation a little better than the other.

How do you set your vex ducers up on the boat?  just drop them in while your trolling?  I've often considered bringing mine on the boat.  

I have one on the bow trolling motor and the other is on the transom.  Vex sells a kit to do this.

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Its hard to teach a old dog new tricks.    Bottom line is graphs are going to be the future of ice fishing. 

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I too am a firm believer in using a gps but I'm with the group that has a handheld. I can simply throw it in my pocket and use it when needed.

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 I wouldn't trade my humminbird ice45 for anything. i like the zoom feature, because you can zoom anywhere in the water column. makes trout and crappie fishing nice. also the auto depth is nice too, because it will automatically set the depth, where on the vex you have to set it to 20-40-60 etc. plus it gives you exact depth on the lcd screen. i love it and wouldn't even consider selling it. 


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I use my Humminbird 787 for ice fishing and in the boat. It has a flasher mode or you can use the graph. It is instantaneous, I can watch jigs in two holes next to each other. No problems with cold, I've used it in well below zero temps. I bought an iceducer off e-bay and built a mount for it with two batteries. It does take a little more power than a Vex, but I've never killed both batteries in a long day of fishing. Why buy another expensive piece of electronics if I already have one I can use year round.

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I can't grasp how these lowrances work. Is it instantaneous? Is there a video out there that shows how they work icefishing? can you see your buckshot move the exact second you jig it?

here is the easiest way to explain what you are seeing.... imagine that you take the water column on your flasher and turn it into a vertical line instead of a circular line... now place that vertical picture on the right hand side of the sonar screen shown. the "flasher" is the information you see at the far right hand side of the screen and it is indeed as instantaneous as any modern day video game.  the screen scrolls from right to left... so, everything to the left of the vertical flasher information on the right hand side of the screen is just the recorded "flasher" information from the last 15 seconds or so (depends on how fast jim has his screen scrolling).  in the particular picture that jim is showing, his lure is being held steady a little ways off the bottom and is represented by the solid blue line.  the fish came off of the bottom to take a peak at the lure a few seconds ago and is now staring at the lure. 


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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
Its hard to teach a old dog new tricks.    Bottom line is graphs are going to be the future of ice fishing. 

The crystal ball of my ice fishing future is telling me that i am still using a vexilar.  I have used LCD graphs.  They are better than no graph for sure, but the first and last time i used an LCD was on a crappie bite. 

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any of you guys watch the video BAW posted?  is there something you don't like or are confused by when you watch it.  notice the "flasher" or real time information on the right hand side of the screen and then the recording of that information on the graph?  i can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would still prefer an old school flasher over that picture.  the number one thing it provides you with is the ability to turn away for 15-30 seconds and still be able to tell if there happened to have been a fish down there while you were grabbing another budweiser. 

another thing... how the hell do i get my video from my phone to the internet?  i've tried uploading straight to an FBO post, i've tried uploading to youtube and to my wife's facebook account.  but, it gives me some nonsense bout needing wi-fi and/or shut's down my browser. 

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espringers Said:
any of you guys watch the video BAW posted?  is there something you don't like or are confused by when you watch it.  notice the "flasher" or real time information on the right hand side of the screen and then the recording of that information on the graph?  i can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would still prefer an old school flasher over that picture.  the number one thing it provides you with is the ability to turn away for 15-30 seconds and still be able to tell if there happened to have been a fish down there while you were grabbing another budweiser. 

another thing... how the hell do i get my video from my phone to the internet?  i've tried uploading straight to an FBO post, i've tried uploading to youtube and to my wife's facebook account.  but, it gives me some nonsense bout needing wi-fi and/or shut's down my browser. 

I don't need a video, i have tried the LCD graphs. 

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I have an FL-8, 18, & 20.  I've also been using my Lowrance HDS-7 some after reading these threads.  As Auggie said the FL-20 is my choice for ice fishing.  I also mount my 18 on the bow of my boat and would pick that over a 20 for that purpose.  When it comes to ice fishing I'm finding that I like using the HDS-7 when I'm in shallower water.  It's kind of nice to see the history.  But, when it comes to perch in deep water, my FL-20 still blows away the HDS-7.  The separation of the Vexilar is just a little more precise.  I used to have a Marcum and didn't like it at all.  But that was quite a few years ago and I've learned to never compare an old model of one brand to a new model of another brand.  Every year companies upgrade and tweek things making those comparisons completely invalid.  The one thing I do know is Vexilar's service is TOTALLY AWESOME!!!  A couple years ago I had a unit fall in the water on the ice in the spring and it didnt' work.  Sent it in and the next day I got a call from the guy at Vexilar.  He said it shorted a spot on the circuit board.  He said he could replace the board for I think it was $60.  He also said he tried soldering the bad spot and it was working and he wouldn't charge for that if I wanted to try it.  I had it back the next day with the board soldered, no charge, and it still works today.

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i certainly can't dispute vexilars customer service.  we (dad's actually) had one go to the bottom of the lake w/ a vehicle. thing squealed like a little piggy from time to time after that.  it eventually got so bad i tried to fix it myself and failed miserably.  sent that thing to the company in a box in many many pieces.  got it back bout a week later.  only paid shipping to get it to them.  service is frigging awesome!

tbut, arget separation... i don't get what you are saying gonfshn.  maybe i am wrong.  but, don't they both operate w/ the same technology... ping a sonar off an object.  the only difference is how they display this information.  and fl-20 has 525 display lines.  so, if you are fishing in 20 feet of water, you will have target separation of 1/2 (.45) inches. 

the 522 i had had 480 vertical and horizontal pixel lines.  the 68 has 320 vertical pixel lines.  viewing the whole water column, both fall a little short of the fl20.  however, hit the 2X zoom button or even the 4X zoom button or change the upper and lower limits so the screen shows less of the water column and you can get almost unlimited separation.  i think the regular hummingbirds are 640 X 640.  so they would surpass any vexilar w/o pressing the zoom button.  some of the bigger screened hds units also have 600 pixel lines or more.  so, wouldn't those also surpass the fl20 in separation w/o ever hitting the zoom?  No? Yes?

and enslow, can you elaborate on what you didn't like? 

u other graph users... speak up.  i just went back and read a few other posts on this subject and i know i am not alone on this. 

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The unit i used was much much older technology (this was in the late 90's) when i used the eagle graph on Jamestown reservoir.  Crappies were at all different depths and the guys with LCD graphs were doing good but not nearly as good as me with the vexi.  I tried the LCD graph for maybe 10 minutes and the tiny bit of lag just didn't work out for me with so many different fish down there. 

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the graphs look fun but to me a flasher just seems a lot more practical and easy.

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was fishing northwest angle and our guide had his vexilar, tackle, and rods in a backpack on his back and thinking thats the way to go if puttin on a lot of miles. so much easier on the electronics

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I’ll start by saying that ANY sonar is better than NO sonar.

But the reality is that the mechanical flasher has been technologically dead ever since the first color TFT LCD screens were introduced.  It's over. 

 

I know that some guys will continue to use them as long as they are available and still working, and that's OK.  But those flasher systems and the spinning wheel display format, cannot compete with what a good LCD screen can tell you about what is happening beneath you in open water or under the ice.  Not many guys use a flasher in a boat anymore, and there is good reason for it.  Ice sonar will inevitably go the same way. 

Technically a flasher is not capable of displaying the information that an LCD screen can, and the graph style screen and format are far more capable.  Think about the detail in a 2D sonar image on a color graph, not to mention the downscan or sidescan images.  And the ability to adjust every parameter of the display, not just designate a couple of ranges or turn the gain up or down.  And today Humminbird is announcing a 360 degree circular side scanning transducer that will show you an image of up to 300' away from the transducer.  Now imagine taking something like that up to the mud flats on Lake Winnipeg and using it to look for fish under the ice, etc.  That kind of information can't be displayed on mechanical spinning wheel.  The technology will get cheaper and most of us will embrace it.

At one time you may have thought your old Sony CRT Trinitron was one heck of a good TV, but it really can't compare to what we have in flat panel TV’s today.  The immediate future is pixels...and it’s going to happen faster than some of you might think.

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Personally, the brand he gets doesn't really matter. What does matter is if he can learn how to use it properly. Are their videos out there that will help him become an expert in using that system. Lowrance has great videos by Doc Sampson on how to use their sonars correctly. To me that would be the most important criteria in selecting a system. They are all well made. My 2 cents.


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And I will also add that usually I would take advice from a Professional Fisherman, like Jim Crroll above.


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Jim just posted an excellant "End All Discussion" to this thread and he is spot on with that said :

End of story

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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
Jim just posted an excellant "End All Discussion" to this thread and he is spot on with that said :

End of story

True, but I love my flasher.

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Okay, so did someone confirm LCD units have 8 or 9 degree cones? If not they are garbage unless you are a flat bottom fisherman.


 

 

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Okay, so did someone confirm LCD units have 8 or 9 degree cones? If not they are garbage unless you are a flat bottom fisherman.

I have the LX-7 and it has a dual beam transducer, 8 and 20.

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And how does an LCD screen and transducer tell you what direction the fish are?


 

 

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Frosty,

I am talking the lowrance route.


 

 

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 Gotcha ya Tim, my bad.

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
Okay, so did someone confirm LCD units have 8 or 9 degree cones? If not they are garbage unless you are a flat bottom fisherman.

Direct from Humminbird website:

ICE 385 and 345

DualBeam PLUS w/Switchfire

  • 200 kHz / 20° @ -10db
  • 83 kHz / 60° @ -10db
  • Depth: 1000 ft.

Direct from Lowrance website:

KEY LOWRANCE ELITE-5 ICE FISHING FEATURES:

  • Super-bright, 5 in./12.7 cm TFT color display, with 480x480 pixel resolution, and superb no-fade viewing detail in sunlight and temps down to -20° F/-28° C
  • Powerful 200 kHz operation with 20° sonar coverage down to 1000 ft/305 m with custom, weighted ice fishing transducer and unique new float system (included)
  • Precision internal 16-channel GPS antenna, built-in basemap with U.S. waters detail, and microSD card slot for LakeMaster®* and Navionics® cartography options

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 Can one of you Lowrance guys give me the down low on the difference between the following units:

  • HDS-5
  • Elite-5
  • Elite-5 dsi

I've done a little research but haven't gotten very far. I thought it might be more productive for one of you guys who know these units to chime in.

Oh and I'm referring to the original topic of how they would compare ice fishing first and foremost, boat secondary.

J

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If I am reading correctly you have a 20 or a 60. Not good for me at all. If this technology ever has a future for me in ice fishing they gotta do some changes on the lowrance side.


 

 

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tim, you can't see what direction the fish are.  maybe sidescan and/or downscan can do that.  i don't know.  i know a few of the older units had options for different cone angle transucers for skimmers.  ain't sure bout ice ducers and ain't sure bout the newer ones.  mine have both had 20 degree cones and i believe that is the only degree that lowrances ice ducers come in. 

here is the gereral rule of thumb i have always used using round numbers based on some basic geometry:

for an 8 degree cone at any depth, simply divide that depth by 7. For instance, at a depth of 21 feet, the diameter of the circle of coverage would be 3 feet.  for a 20 degree cone, divide the depth by 3.  at the same depth of 21 feet, a 20 degree cone covers a circle 7 feet in diameter.   so, if you are fishing 21 feet deep, for it to really come into play, you would have to have a substantial difference in contour change occurring w/in the 7 foot coverage zone that does not occur within the 3 foot coverage zone.  personally i don't fish many spots where that would come into play.  sure i might fish the top of a hump or next to a ledge.  but, very seldom am i right on top of a ledge or hump that is so defined that the dead zone would be huge w/ my 20 degree cone and not w/ an 8 degree cone.  its even less of a difference when talking 9, 12 and 19 degree cone angles. 

http://vexilar.com/pages/support/support_tips/article_006.php

the above like has a chart w/ cone angles and coverage at each depth.  one thing to keep in mind is that you can kind of adjust your angle by turning down the sensitivity and/or gain.  graph units can have the sensitivity turned down quite a bit.  frankly, i've just learned to accept this one potential con because the potential for it mattering is so slight and it is highly outweighed by all of the pros.  and on thing to keep in mind is that, if you are a "flat bottom fisherman", there are actually some advantages to the bigger cone.
 
regardless, i knew this would be an issue w/ you from the time you posted this thread based upon past discussions bout this exact same thing with you.  so, just quit kicking the darn can around and have him get a flasher. 

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All I can tell you is I see the geometry first hand. Threw 20 away and got a nine. My geometry issues got much less.

Also, on flat bottom country like lake darling a wide cone was bad for picking up weeds. Basically did same thing as a big degree in deep water. Using tighter cone I didn't pick up too much weeds.

Ya right now a flasher or other dedicated LCD ice unit makes more sense for structure and weed fishing.

Get the tri beam and be good to go.


 

 

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