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I think if you want to fish like a man you should just have a spear...andddd big hole...

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and i still can't get my stupid video off of my phone.  tried the youtube app... just keeps waiting and retrying.  also tried using my wife's facebook account... it looks like it uploads.  but, when it gets to 100% it sits there for a while and then starts over.  don't have a cord to get it to my computer and the network says its too large to load straight from my phone.  anyone got any bright ideas? 

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and i still can't get my stupid video off of my phone.  tried the youtube app... just keeps waiting and retrying.  also tried using my wife's facebook account... it looks like it uploads.  but, when it gets to 100% it sits there for a while and then starts over.  don't have a cord to get it to my computer and the network says its too large to load straight from my phone.  anyone got any bright ideas? 

droid?

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and i still can't get my stupid video off of my phone.  tried the youtube app... just keeps waiting and retrying.  also tried using my wife's facebook account... it looks like it uploads.  but, when it gets to 100% it sits there for a while and then starts over.  don't have a cord to get it to my computer and the network says its too large to load straight from my phone.  anyone got any bright ideas? 

ask one of your kids, preferably one that is under the age of 12 they will figure it out in no time

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Yeah. Droid. Trying mobile fishing buddy to see if that has other options. Can't even get a darn pic loaded from the phone.

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well... i got some photos loaded at least.  video loading closes my browser.  didn't mean for all of them to show up in the photos section.  thought they would just be in my private album and i could link them to this thread.  but, oh well... sorry for filling up the photos section w/ such boring pics. 

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can you email it? 

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Yeah. Droid. Trying mobile fishing buddy to see if that has other options. Can't even get a darn pic loaded from the phone.

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nope.  too large for any of my accounts to accept it.  i'll try get it to my home computer tonight.  think i've got a cord lying around someplace.  thanks tho. 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
All I can tell you is I see the geometry first hand. Threw 20 away and got a nine. My geometry issues got much less.

Also, on flat bottom country like lake darling a wide cone was bad for picking up weeds. Basically did same thing as a big degree in deep water. Using tighter cone I didn't pick up too much weeds.

Ya right now a flasher or other dedicated LCD ice unit makes more sense for structure and weed fishing.

Get the tri beam and be good to go.

The FL-20 and FL-22 both have Low Power modes for fishing very weedy areas. With a Tri-Beam set at 8 degrees and on low power mode, you shouldn't have issues at all.

I'm tellin ya man, forget all this graph nonsense and go with an FL-20 with a Tri-Beam 'ducer. It's the best all-around package for what you're gonna be using it for.



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Pick,

Yeah I know. Vex fam myself. Just really wish they would stuck digital depth read. Call me lazy I guess. Ha.

I run a fl 12 with 9 degree. It same size as tri so not much of change for line wrap. Up to my bro at this point.


 

 

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Vexilar for this guy. I just got my new FL-20 Ultrapak in the mail today just in time for Winnipeg next week.  I used and abused an FL-8 for the last nine years and it still works fine but it was time for an upgrade.  Now I don't have to share with the girlfriend anymore.

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This is what we all need....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsOGUx7O3nk&feature=player_embedded

I wonder when the fish are going to start coming in with white flags? lol

I have a fever...and the only prescription...is more walleyes!!

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I’ll start by saying that ANY sonar is better than NO sonar.

But the reality is that the mechanical flasher has been technologically dead ever since the first color TFT LCD screens were introduced.  It's over. 

 

I know that some guys will continue to use them as long as they are available and still working, and that's OK.  But those flasher systems and the spinning wheel display format, cannot compete with what a good LCD screen can tell you about what is happening beneath you in open water or under the ice.  Not many guys use a flasher in a boat anymore, and there is good reason for it.  Ice sonar will inevitably go the same way. 

Technically a flasher is not capable of displaying the information that an LCD screen can, and the graph style screen and format are far more capable.  Think about the detail in a 2D sonar image on a color graph, not to mention the downscan or sidescan images.  And the ability to adjust every parameter of the display, not just designate a couple of ranges or turn the gain up or down.  And today Humminbird is announcing a 360 degree circular side scanning transducer that will show you an image of up to 300' away from the transducer.  Now imagine taking something like that up to the mud flats on Lake Winnipeg and using it to look for fish under the ice, etc.  That kind of information can't be displayed on mechanical spinning wheel.  The technology will get cheaper and most of us will embrace it.

At one time you may have thought your old Sony CRT Trinitron was one heck of a good TV, but it really can't compare to what we have in flat panel TV’s today.  The immediate future is pixels...and it’s going to happen faster than some of you might think.

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That is probably one of the most bold statements I have heard in a long time. I'd have to disagree. While graphs obviously have their place, use in extreme cold and ice fishing conditions in my opinion is not it.

The flasher IS the answer for ice. Not to put anybodys style down, but that pic of the lowrance 68 looked like an absolute mess for ice fishing applications. What good does a historical record provide you on your graph in an ice application? All it becomes is screen clutter. 

I'm also gonna bet that Vexilar and Marcums sales of sonars would beg to differ with your statement. If the graph was the answer, I wonder why it has not yet caught on after 10 years of color screen exposure on the market. Could it be that most ice anglers dont recognize the graph as a beneficial tool that some claim it to be? Maybe coupled with a practical transducer that gives the user a little more control over the survey area could enhance its use. I however dont buy it. For one thing, as a previous salesman of graphs, (and I dealt with LOTS) I know first hand the durability in the graph products cant hold a candle to that of a flasher.

What I believe is both products have their place. Both have advantages/disadvantages in either season but to claim that flashers are obsolete is pushing the envelope a bit far.

Stick with a flasher for ice. You wont be disappointed.


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Lol. Pigsticker... Funny you should mention that jumbled mess. Do u realize that u would have the same jumbled mess on a flasher? And the ONLY way to make sense of it all and have any idea how many fish are actually down there and tell how each fish is reacting is w a graph? If u were looking at 12 perch stacked up in 10 ft of water on your flasher all doing something different you would just have a clusterfuck of flashing lights where it would b impossible to count the number of fish and be able to get a feel for what each is doing and/ or did. Where u see a "jumbled" mess, seasoned graph users see a symphony of little fish all doing their own dance to the beat of a jigging lure. Keep your flasher.

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Is it necessary to Be able count 12 perch below you?

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Is it necessary to Be able count 12 perch below you?

bingo! I would argue if you have perch stacked up 10 feet from the bottom there pretty willing to bite regardless what sonar you use. When u get perch to follow the ones your catching up, its pretty much game over for them

 

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No. But pigsticker was digging the jumbled mess on a graph. I was just explaining a flasher would have the same mess... Only that mess would b much harder to interpret.

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Digging.... Dogging. Damn phone.

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espringers Said:
No. But pigsticker was digging the jumbled mess on a graph. I was just explaining a flasher would have the same mess... Only that mess would b much harder to interpret.

I dont think its any harder to interpret....so you have a solid block of red/orange from the bottom up ten feet...means there are a whole stack of fish down there and i wouldnt really care if it were 8 or 12 or 35...so just drop your jig back into the solid block of red and wait for the thump...seems alot easier to me...

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Did you try down loading it to Utube???Or just get a cord for your computer

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and i still can't get my stupid video off of my phone.  tried the youtube app... just keeps waiting and retrying.  also tried using my wife's facebook account... it looks like it uploads.  but, when it gets to 100% it sits there for a while and then starts over.  don't have a cord to get it to my computer and the network says its too large to load straight from my phone.  anyone got any bright ideas? 
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 different strokes for different folks. Give me any sort of flasher/graph and some time to get used to it and ill be a happy fisherman. I hope tim was able to find some valuable info from everyones back forth. 

 

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I am out on this subject too I guess. Not gonna waste anymore time on it cause i will be out chasing perch w my inferior technology. People have their preferences and preconceived notions bout graphs. I respectfully disagree. There is a saying bout old dogs and steam engines...

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The trend is going to graph -- you can brace it or live in the dark ages.  I have used my camera to inter some of the actions on the graph.  Once you learn it -- you would be surprised what you can see on a graph.

  Jim C. = Lowrance  -- for him to mention the 360 bird unit -- well he is being about as unbiased as possible and his paragraph is spot on. 

End of story boys --  

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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
The trend is going to graph -- you can brace it or live in the dark ages.  I have used my camera to inter some of the actions on the graph.  Once you learn it -- you would be surprised what you can see on a graph.

  Jim C. = Lowrance  -- for him to mention the 360 bird unit -- well he is being about as unbiased as possible and his paragraph is spot on. 

End of story boys --  

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 Since buying my LX-7 earlier this month I have grown to love looking at the graph vrs the flasher.  I was skeptical at first like most but now I don't even look at the flasher.  Another nice feature with the 7 is the option of having different configurations.  The set-up I have been using is the graph with the zoomed in vertical window.  Best of both worlds.  With the graph I have the entire water column I can watch along with an 18 second history and I notice no lag time from when I jig to when it shows up on the graph.  Everyone knows about the zoom feature.  Only dislike I have with the unit is the protective sleeve has a bad glare when out in the sun but is bomb proof inside a house.


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that looks sweet!  i never realized the lx-7 had a graph option.  they always show the darn thing in "flasher" mode on the websites. 

timmers.... please take note... this machine offers you all of the benefits of a graph AND the adjustable cone.  i think i might have just found my replacement for my 522!  kind of pricey tho.  sorry.  wasn't gonna comment anymore.  but, still stuck in my office and had no idea that unit had a graph option.  why don't they market it this way? 

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 Wow that is pretty sweet. Didnt know you had that many options w/ the lx7. Now i really want one!

 

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 That LX-7 is sweet but for $600 and no GPS... You can get into a bird or lowrance and have a lot of the same features and a GPS. Only caveat is that, like springers said, 20 degree ducer

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that looks sweet!  i never realized the lx-7 had a graph option.  they always show the darn thing in "flasher" mode on the websites. 

timmers.... please take note... this machine offers you all of the benefits of a graph AND the adjustable cone.  i think i might have just found my replacement for my 522!  kind of pricey tho.  sorry.  wasn't gonna comment anymore.  but, still stuck in my office and had no idea that unit had a graph option.  why don't they market it this way? 

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 Wow that is pretty sweet. Didnt know you had that many options w/ the lx7. Now i really want one!

It is an awesome unit with plenty of options!  Will post a few more pictures with different configurations.  I also like the fact you can hook it up to the computer and download new updates to the unit through the Marcum website.  Took me all of 5 minutes to get V2.9 on it.  Battery life has been great, ran it for 2 days w/o a charge and it was still going strong!

Another version of the graph mode.  This would be for soft water.  I believe they have a ducer that you can put in the boat but don't quote me.

You can turn the guage panel on and have all info readily available.  I like the voltage meter and the fact it shows how big of an area you are looking at on the bottom.

Here you have the vertical water column (also shows your zoomed in portion in light blue), normal flasher, vertical zoom window, and guages.  There are three different background colors to choose from, 4 different color palettes, 2 cone angles, you can adjust background  brightness, and you can adjust ping rate.

P.S.  The unit is absolutely silent!!!

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So....  Does anybody really believe this will be the "End All Discussion on Ice Fishing Sonar/Flashers"?

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frosty thanks for the pictures I have been avoiding stores so i dont buy a lx7 this year but it is going from a want to a need pretty fast

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frosty thanks for the pictures I have been avoiding stores so i dont buy a lx7 this year but it is going from a want to a need pretty fast

I hear you loud and clear!  Once I decide I like something I have one heck of a time talking myself out of it...I lasted 2 weeks before I had it!!!  When you break down and get it you will love the machine.  I can't hardly stand using my old LX-3 anymore!!

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Im sorry ...i understand that in alot of applications that sonar is exremely helpful. I however have fished most of my life without. I dont really see the huge need for sonar if im strictly walleye fishing, I agree panfishing it is a must. I would rather just drill 100 holes and walk around with my favorite walleye stick and my favorite jis and a bucket a minnows. If the fish are agressive they are gonna thump it in the first few pumps anyways otherwise give it a couple minutes a hole and move onto to the next. Sure it maybe lets you know there are at least fish down there and arent biting but it sure cant tell you if its a walleye anyways so sometimes it just seems more frustrating. So i guess i will just continue to walleye fish without sonar in the winter.

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Im sorry ...i understand that in alot of applications that sonar is exremely helpful. I however have fished most of my life without. I dont really see the huge need for sonar if im strictly walleye fishing, I agree panfishing it is a must. I would rather just drill 100 holes and walk around with my favorite walleye stick and my favorite jis and a bucket a minnows. If the fish are agressive they are gonna thump it in the first few pumps anyways otherwise give it a couple minutes a hole and move onto to the next. Sure it maybe lets you know there are at least fish down there and arent biting but it sure cant tell you if its a walleye anyways so sometimes it just seems more frustrating. So i guess i will just continue to walleye fish without sonar in the winter.

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Boliver Shagnasty Said:
Im sorry ...i understand that in alot of applications that sonar is exremely helpful. I however have fished most of my life without. I dont really see the huge need for sonar if im strictly walleye fishing, I agree panfishing it is a must. I would rather just drill 100 holes and walk around with my favorite walleye stick and my favorite jis and a bucket a minnows. If the fish are agressive they are gonna thump it in the first few pumps anyways otherwise give it a couple minutes a hole and move onto to the next. Sure it maybe lets you know there are at least fish down there and arent biting but it sure cant tell you if its a walleye anyways so sometimes it just seems more frustrating. So i guess i will just continue to walleye fish without sonar in the winter.

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Ha ha. Actually bolivar has a very good point. Two trips ago my bro walked around with no vex. He caught just as many fish.

I do like knowing if a fish is down there though. Helps with knowing how they reacting. But can be frustrating too! Had some dandy marks in a location last week but no takers. My bro got one to bite and was big 20 inch walleye. So that drove me nuts when I couldn't get em to go. But did keep me interested!


 

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
Ha ha. Actually bolivar has a very good point. Two trips ago my bro walked around with no vex. He caught just as many fish.

I do like knowing if a fish is down there though. Helps with knowing how they reacting. But can be frustrating too! Had some dandy marks in a location last week but no takers. My bro got one to bite and was big 20 inch walleye. So that drove me nuts when I couldn't get em to go. But did keep me interested!

BOOM! Ha...its Friday and Im bored at work so i was actually just trying to see if i could get any heads to spin, you guys and all you opinions are what keep me going through the day. That and im going to be intoxicated in a little while.

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I bet I am running the Humminbird 360 on the ice next year.  That beats the heck out of how I have rigged my HDS side image.  That will likley be used to find the fish.  I'll still go with my Vex to catch them.

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This forum has been great.  I appreicate everyone's input!


 

 

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Well my flasher went down with a sinking ship last year and took on too much water.  Can't get her to fire up.

So I'm looking to cheat on my love for Vexilar.  Fished with a 'bird last weekend and I didn't mind it.  I really like having a digital readout of depth.  Just faster when checking depths.

That said, I'm eying the Marcum 6 or 7.  I really like how Marcum has an 8 degree cone and has allowed me an excuse to cheat on Vexilar.  The cone is absolutely important for me.  Hence, none of the Lowrance products will work for me unless they have tigher cones now.

So anyone running that Marcum 6 or 7?  Any thoughts on other products?

I know this has been hashed over and over and the tried and true Vexilar is a top notch unit but I'm looking to explore a bit this time.  I'll have a Vexilar 18 as a backup or an extra for guests.  But for now, lookng for 2012-2013 opinions on the new gadgets out today.

Tried to look in local sporting goods store but they didn't have a single one in stock in the beginning of January.  Unbelieveable.  Forced to buy online.


 

 

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Id get the 6 - same features just a bit smaller / lighter.

 

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Id get the 6 - same features just a bit smaller / lighter.

What I was thinking.  Curiosity wants me to find out the difference between the 8 degree and the 9 degree I currently have.


 

 

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Well my flasher went down with a sinking ship last year and took on too much water.  Can't get her to fire up.

So I'm looking to cheat on my love for Vexilar.  Fished with a 'bird last weekend and I didn't mind it.  I really like having a digital readout of depth.  Just faster when checking depths.

That said, I'm eying the Marcum 6 or 7.  I really like how Marcum has an 8 degree cone and has allowed me an excuse to cheat on Vexilar.  The cone is absolutely important for me.  Hence, none of the Lowrance products will work for me unless they have tigher cones now.

So anyone running that Marcum 6 or 7?  Any thoughts on other products?

I know this has been hashed over and over and the tried and true Vexilar is a top notch unit but I'm looking to explore a bit this time.  I'll have a Vexilar 18 as a backup or an extra for guests.  But for now, lookng for 2012-2013 opinions on the new gadgets out today.

Tried to look in local sporting goods store but they didn't have a single one in stock in the beginning of January.  Unbelieveable.  Forced to buy online.

I just cant cheat, I have used a vex for most of my ice fishing life and cant see ever going a different direction.
Fished the local lake yesterday afternoon and pulled in a few northerns. Got pretty excited when I saw that green line follow my jig up...

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after using the elite 5 this year i can never ever think of going flasher again.  amazing how the way points from this summer are good in the winter to. 

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I could look but would get an answer here faster probably. Marcums have bottom zoom?

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after using the elite 5 this year i can never ever think of going flasher again.  amazing how the way points from this summer are good in the winter to. 

I much prefer my handheld gps. I don't like the idea of having a big computer out icefishing. Its only my opinion but it is what it is

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Id get the 6 - same features just a bit smaller / lighter.

What I was thinking.  Curiosity wants me to find out the difference between the 8 degree and the 9 degree I currently have.

Tim > We just bought the Marcum LX6 and I also have a Bird-45 which I have used for a handfull of years now without fail. I have not used the marcum yet but if you want to check it out for a day trip (our wifes know each other) I will have my wife text yours and see when you are going next. If we aren't going that day i'm sure you could use it for the day to see what you think. I know first hand knowledge always helps with a purchase. Let me know.

Derrick

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lx5 has adjustable zoom, and they are set up and charged in the box, just plug in the positive lead.

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