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fished a sharp edge on tuesday night with no issues once i adjusted the grapgh for that. 

Exactly! Thanks Kurt. I did the same on a steep drop near Indian Creek last week. I wonder if people have actually tried them before they pass judgement on them? Funny stuff! 

i was just off the swiming beach at revheim so we were close. 

Tim i am still new to it but i just mess with the zoom, sensitivity and between 200 and 83 khz.  It seems once i get it dialed i dont feel at a disadvantage to the marcum my wife was using right beside me.  we were seeing the same structure but with the graph I feel like i have more detail but that is just my preferance.

You weren't "that guy" with a pickup on the ice, were ya? haha. 

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yep after watching a 3/4 diesel and 1/2 ford drive across the lake i was not draging my crap around any more.  I know both guys driving across they have been doing it for a few days.  the kids close to us were worried  there flip over was going to break through when the ice was poping it was funny

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Mostly edges and deep drops you can adjust the sensitivity and fishing mode/color scheme to see what part of the column you want to look at. Is it flawless? No. Is it more than serviceable and a good tool? Yes. 

I was fishing in 40 FOW on a steep drop and it was pretty amazing how you can adjust things to see what is going on down there into the dead zone. You also see fish show up much sooner when they reach the edge of the cone. I really like that. Not to mention the 15-20 seconds of screen memory to catch you jigging cadence and fish if you looked away. 

I really don't care what people get (I don't think you can go wrong with a Vex, Hummingbird, etc. they are all great), but its just strange to me people come on here arguing against it when they really have never tried using a modern day graph on the ice. 

Honestly, the only thing that scared me away is the cone.  I do a lot of hole to hole fishing and if I had to tinker with the change in structure I wouldn't like that much.  With the flasher and a tighter cone it is simply lift and drop and fish.

Hey, I broke my mold and went with a Marcum this go around.  It has both sonar and flasher so I should still make you happy I'm half on your team.  Ha!


 

 

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yep after watching a 3/4 diesel and 1/2 ford drive across the lake i was not draging my crap around any more.  I know both guys driving across they have been doing it for a few days.  the kids close to us were worried  there flip over was going to break through when the ice was poping it was funny

So, how many vehicles go through the ice during the tourney next week? LOL. 

I'm hoping to get out again Saturday, otherwise I'll be out Thursday for a couple of day of prefishing and festivities! 

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Mostly edges and deep drops you can adjust the sensitivity and fishing mode/color scheme to see what part of the column you want to look at. Is it flawless? No. Is it more than serviceable and a good tool? Yes. 

I was fishing in 40 FOW on a steep drop and it was pretty amazing how you can adjust things to see what is going on down there into the dead zone. You also see fish show up much sooner when they reach the edge of the cone. I really like that. Not to mention the 15-20 seconds of screen memory to catch you jigging cadence and fish if you looked away. 

I really don't care what people get (I don't think you can go wrong with a Vex, Hummingbird, etc. they are all great), but its just strange to me people come on here arguing against it when they really have never tried using a modern day graph on the ice. 

Honestly, the only thing that scared me away is the cone.  I do a lot of hole to hole fishing and if I had to tinker with the change in structure I wouldn't like that much.  With the flasher and a tighter cone it is simply lift and drop and fish.

Hey, I broke my mold and went with a Marcum this go around.  It has both sonar and flasher so I should still make you happy I'm half on your team.  Ha!

Keep us posted on how that Marcum works. It looks like a fine machine. Yeah, one of these days I'll make it up. Too darn busy coaching hockey so my time on the ice is limited until March. 

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yep after watching a 3/4 diesel and 1/2 ford drive across the lake i was not draging my crap around any more.  I know both guys driving across they have been doing it for a few days.  the kids close to us were worried  there flip over was going to break through when the ice was poping it was funny

So, how many vehicles go through the ice during the tourney next week? LOL. 

I'm hoping to get out again Saturday, otherwise I'll be out Thursday for a couple of day of prefishing and festivities! 

i would guess just as many 4 wheelers.  on friday go watch at indian creek and i bet at least one person drives in that presure ridge across the points.  Have christmas in watertown this weekend than after that i want to take thurs and fri off to fish.

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yep after watching a 3/4 diesel and 1/2 ford drive across the lake i was not draging my crap around any more.  I know both guys driving across they have been doing it for a few days.  the kids close to us were worried  there flip over was going to break through when the ice was poping it was funny

So, how many vehicles go through the ice during the tourney next week? LOL. 

I'm hoping to get out again Saturday, otherwise I'll be out Thursday for a couple of day of prefishing and festivities! 

i would guess just as many 4 wheelers.  on friday go watch at indian creek and i bet at least one person drives in that presure ridge across the points.  Have christmas in watertown this weekend than after that i want to take thurs and fri off to fish.

I'll buy you an adult beverage if we bump into you. I'll be with Simms. 

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last year the day after the rules meeting was probally the worst i have ever felt in my life

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Okay, so I used the Marcum-6.

I'm not totally impressed.  I'll explain.

#1:  Carrying case is very inconvienent.  I move from hole to hole when I fish.  Using the carrying case was not an option because there is no fastening of it to the base.  So when you carry it, it wants to slip off.  So I removed it.

The base itself is manageable but when you have gloves on it is very cumbersome to carry by the little handle it has.

Conclusion:  Not impressed.

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#2:  At first I was pumped to have the "extendable arm" to put my transducer in the water with.  But after use, I'd rather go back to nothing but transducer cord or use the foam piece.  Why?  Because I don't go to each ice hole and make it pretty to fish around (clean the slush and snow so it is all flat).  Since it is not flat and the fact I was forced to use the original base meant the unit would sit very goofy and the transucer didn't want to dangle nice.  Would always slide away from the ice hole and then I'd have to adjust the ducer.  I guess techincally this can be fixed because I can just go pure cord like I use to.

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Conclusion
:  Not that big of a deal since would be nice in some cases and in those that it isn't an issue I can adjust by going just pure cord.

#3:  Buttons to adjust sensitivity, zoom, etc.  On the digital units it is all about pushing buttons.  Well, fine and dandy if you sit in a heated ice house or plan on sitting in one spot and don't have to deal with different situations like depths, structure, etc.  I found the buttons to be a pain in the but because when wearing gloves it gets very difficult to adjust settings.  It would just annoy me as I tried to push on the unit and it slid away from the ice hole.  So it really becomes a two hand proposition where one hand needs to hold the unit in place while you push the buttons.  This also requires taking gloves off one hand that is pushing the bottons.

Conclusion:  Much rather have simple turn knobs for gain, target adjust, etc.

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#4:  The sonar.  Okay guys with Lowrances or other devices for ice fishing using the chart.  What exactly is the benefit?  When I used in graph or chart view all I see is a line running from right to left showing bottom.  When I jig I can see my jig stroke but I don't get to see it in the middle of the screen.  It is always right to left.  In otherwords, AFTER THE FACT.  That's fine for jig stroke, I don't really care, I know what I am doing when I use my brain to tell my arm and hands to move the jigging rod.

When I am stationary I see a line on my graph showing bottom and that my jig is sitting stationary.  Okay, fine.  But I don't see a fish coming in until it is already there (from right to left).  It is usually just a red line somewhere either right on bottom (so it looks like I have two bottom readings) or at my jig (so I can't see my jig).  Again, what is the benefit of this?  I really do not see an instant reaction to my jigging or if the fish is following me if I try to coax it off the bottom.

Maybe I have a wrong setting but I couldn't see how I forced the chart to read.  In my opinion, I wouldn't mind the chart but I want to have my jig in the middle of the screen and I see fish coming from left or right.

Seeing my "history" while jigging.  No benefit to me at all other than pretty things to look at.

Conclusion:  Not a fan at all...but maybe I am doing something wrong??  You guys have screen shots you can give me? 

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#5:  The Marcum 6 has all sorts of settings for display.  Chart, chart zoom.  Vertical, vertical zoom.  And of course the flasher view.  I will be honest, I didn't need the flasher view because I did not mind the vertical zoom.  In all honestly, basically I could have bought the showdown because that is essentially the display window I gravitated to.

My issue with that view is you don't see it happening until it happens.  When the Vex or Hummingbird I could tell by how my bottom reading started to flicker, etc and I knew something was about to happen.  With the 6 I would be jigging and whalla, a fish showed up.  Not a huge deal but still worth mentioning.

Conclusion:  I didn't mind the vertical display (especially with the bottom zoom).  I liked how the bottom zoom automatically adjusts on the fly to 5 feet of the bottom no matter where I went.  But in the end, the chart display has no benefit for me.  Maybe I have a setting wrong but in my boat I know I cannot force the "action" to be in the middle of my screen (it always scrolls right to left) so I don't know how it is possible period.

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#6: Other options like seeing your battery power, how much your cone is showing you bottom wise, etc.  Sure, they are nice but when I thought about it, I never looked once at those features.  Why?  Hard when you are standing on the ice and the text size is so small.  So really, what is the purpose?  Usually, you need to know one thing and you can do that on your own.  When you get home, put the charger on the battery.  Simple enough.

Conclusion:  Nice but not required at all.

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#6:  I was impressed with target seperation.  When I lifted the jig an inch off the bottom I could see I was an inch of the bottom.  However, with target zoom I had a bigger "blob" showing my jig than I would like.  I had sensitiveity turned down and my target size adjusted.  Of course, this is in zoom mode so that could have something to do with it and i didn't try out vertical display (none zoomed) long enough.

Conclusion:  The Marcum 6 is very fast with response time and you have great target seperation.  Thing is, I could see my snap swivel using the Hummingbird and vex but I couldn't with the 6.  That was a bit odd given how well the Marcum did perform as mentioned above.

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#7:  I like their charger setup.  Nice to just plug and be done.

Conclusion:  What I said above but I can make my own charge system the way I like it if I really wanted too.

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So what am I going to do?  I think I am going to take it back and get a hummingbird because I like seeing the digital readout for depth.  The 6 didn't do anything more than a traditional flasher can do.  What I didn't mind was the "showdown" theme and that does weigh on my mind but really, for how I fish and how I beat up gear I feel that the LCD screen (or maybe it is LED...I don't know) just gives me more hassle than what it gives in benefit.

Just thought I'd give my honest interpretation of the unit and I really REALLY am curious if my interpretation of the chart or "boat sonar" is accurate?  Do you really just sit and watch from right to left and get what happened instead of what is happening?  Or can the Lowrances and others adjust differently?


 

 

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Need more feedback.  I need to decide if keeping the Marcum or going back to the tried and true.  I always welcome opinion.


 

 

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News Flash!

Tim remains undecided - even AFTER deciding and making the purchase.

By the way - I agree with most of his points. I use flashers "hole hopping" a lot. Especially the "pretty around the hole" issue. No arm BS for me. The OLD FL-8 has the best handle. The fat FL-18 foam sleeve storing handle sucks for small-handed little fellers like me.

 

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I personally really like the arm vs. float. I seem to get way less fish tangled in ducer cord.

I dont understand how you couldnt see fish while in graph mode?

 

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

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buckmaster81 Said:
Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

yup

 

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I don't understand the slush issue. I don't use a float or an arm on my fl8 or my lowrance. Just toss the ducer in the hole and make sure its just below the ice w either. How does a slushy hole affect this process? I need further explanation.

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

LMAO....

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I just got my Marcum and I love the transducer arm..

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I don't use an arm or a float.  I lower the transducer so its sits right below the ice and then tie the cord off on the side of the vexilar case.  Those arms and floats get in the way is all they do.  As far as having a digital readout that would be nice for depth.  The only downside to the digital readouts is that they are liquid crystal.  liquid crystal freezes at 4 degrees below zero and can crack.  This temp was told to me by a lowrance customer service rep. 

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huh?  they definitely don't freeze at -4 degrees.  mine sits in my truck all winter long and has every year i've actually had one for the last 7-8.  and when i fish out of my truck it sits on the ground.  i can guarandamntee you it is colder than 4 below and they don't freeze up and/or crack... whoevever told you that is probably on crack. 

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huh?  they definitely don't freeze at -4 degrees.  mine sits in my truck all winter long and has every year i've actually had one for the last 7-8.  and when i fish out of my truck it sits on the ground.  i can guarandamntee you it is colder than 4 below and they don't freeze up and/or crack... whoevever told you that is probably on crack. 

ok.... Lol

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

yup

Number one, shoveling is not mobile.  I drill around 30 holes a trip and sometimes many more than that.  Do not want to go around shoveling holes.

Two, kicking slush around on that many holes isn't going to be very nice either.  Not to mention very icy on a guy's bibs once it freezes!  I drill a bunch and then get fishing.

Three, by the time I get back to the holes they are frozen.  Kicking frozen snow cones is no fun.

Only time I really clean around an ice hole is when I set up tip-ups and I rarely do that now that I have switched to polar pop ups.


 

 

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News Flash!

Tim remains undecided - even AFTER deciding and making the purchase.

By the way - I agree with most of his points. I use flashers "hole hopping" a lot. Especially the "pretty around the hole" issue. No arm BS for me. The OLD FL-8 has the best handle. The fat FL-18 foam sleeve storing handle sucks for small-handed little fellers like me.

Well I thought I'd spend 600 bucks and be happy.  I'm not, so unit hasn't got a scratch so I will take it back to get something that I will be satisfied with.  Fully satisfied.


 

 

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I personally really like the arm vs. float. I seem to get way less fish tangled in ducer cord.

I dont understand how you couldnt see fish while in graph mode?

I wish I would have taken some screen shots or video.  I see a fish and my jig but it is rather strange how you see it.  Maybe I can find some screen shots on the web to show.

Can you guys put examples up of what you see on the screen in graph mode?  Lowrance and Marcum?


 

 

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I fish panfish under my Lowrance in my boat as often as I can open water. It's a hoot when the wind/anchor and depths, etc. all work out (to the point where your rig is under the transducer).

So swapping between traditional flasher and graph is intuitive. I do like the "history" of the graph (seeing fish that came and went, seeing your cadence pattern, etc.) - but I'm perfectly happy with my FL-18 even after 10 years or so. I even have a couple old Lowrance graphs I could convert (one color LCMS 332C or some such). Just never got around to it.

 

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

 

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I don't understand the slush issue. I don't use a float or an arm on my fl8 or my lowrance. Just toss the ducer in the hole and make sure its just below the ice w either. How does a slushy hole affect this process? I need further explanation.

I thougth I explained it.

I am refering to the arm that comes out of the Marcum to keep the transducer in place.  If you have a cone or leave the hole as is without having to kick wet slush all over hell or use a shovel it is shaped like a mound.  Utilzing the arm on the Marcum is impossible because it doesn't extend far enough and the Marcum will sit slanted.  So the only option is to do what I mentioned (and what I do anyway) which is to just use the "dangle" trick and throw the ducer into the hole and let the cord rest against the ice hole edge.  This is fine, that's is how I did it before because I hated the float but honestly, after using a 10 inch hole more that float is actualy kind in that I can be more rough with the ducer cord and can always assure my ducer will hang straight.  Also, I can assure it will be parrelel to the water (perfectly horzontal).  Most times just used the ducer cord works though.


 

 

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

Even then I don't want to go shoveling or kicking every ice hole.


 

 

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Shallow..... but this is what I see in the summer.
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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

How is slush really this big a deal - to the point that a certain type of locator becomes a pain? Drill - kick some slushysnow to one side and and on to drilling next hole...........it literally takes and extra 5 seconds......max

 

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get some water proof bibs Timmers

 

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

How is slush really this big a deal - to the point that a certain type of locator becomes a pain? Drill - kick some slushysnow to one side and and on to drilling next hole...........it literally takes and extra 5 seconds......max 

If you want you can even kick the ice shavings away before you fully punch through....

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marcum's are a little different... so all of my responses are from a lowrance owners perspective... but, for the most part they hold true i think. 

as far as tim's issue w/ not seeing the jig and or fish in the middle of the screen... it ain't meant to show it to you there.  here is the best way to look at it.... the far right hand side is your "flasher" or real time sonar reading...  mine actually has an amplitude bar (i think that is what is is called) just to the right of the graph or the recording... everything else to the left of that is just what you think it is... a recording of your sonar data... believe me... it comes in handy.  i've looked away from my graph hundreds of times only to look back down at it and see that a fish had come off the bottom to look at my jig when i wasn't looking.  w/ a flasher and no recording of the flasher or sonar data, you would have no idea you had missed that fish had you been looking someplace else for even just a few seconds. 

issue w/ not seeing a fish coming in until he came off the bottom... i think you need to adjust your colorline settings.  you can see the color change in the "bottom" before the fish actually comes off the bottom w/ a graph as well when things are set right.  again... you need to get used to idea that your "flasher" is the entire right side of the screen... everything else is just gravy.

kind of related... but, mine shows such a good picture i can tell if my lure is rotating or spinning on the bottom and/or if my minnow is active.  not only do you need to learn to read the real time data on the right... but, the recorded data helps you decipher little things like this.  when it is rotating or spinning from line memory or whatever the hell causes your lure to spin i can actually see the sonar response from my lure show a bigger response and then a smaller response... when it finally stops spinning i know it cause the ping becomes much more consistent.  same thing when my minnow is swimming... the ping flickers and you can see the flicker in the recording much better than in the real time flasher reading on the right.  when he is dead... the line looks dead. 

text size on displays... should be adjustable. on a lowrance anyway you can pick what overlay data you want displayed on your graph and what size it will be displayed in.  in the winter, i have the time, voltage and the depth... depth big or medium... time small.  in the summer its depth, ground speed, time, temp...

pushing buttons with gloves on... i've learned to live with it.  but, once i get it dialed in, i rarely have to touch it again unless i have a drastic change in depth or i change my lure size by a lot. 

zoom or no zoom... i almost never use the split screen.  i usually do one of the other... but, usually i use zoom.  reason being, i almost never expect to see suspended fish when i am fishing.  there is a 99.99% chance the fish is on the bottom or within a few feet of the bottom.  i use the zoom feature, adjust my settings and leave it that way.  everyonce in a while i will zoom out quick just to take a quick look at the entire water column.  but, i see very little need for the split screen zoom and entire water column.  you should definitely be able to see your snap swivel or barrel swivel a foot above your lure.  only reason you might not be able to is that your sensitivity is set low because you didn't want your jig to be such a big blob.  increase your sensitivity and you should be able to see your swivel.  but, i ain't sure why you want to see your swivel anyway. 

regarding the showdown theme... i ain't sure what they have to offer.  but, if i remember right its just a glorified vertical flasher bar with digital readout.  again.. i refer back to my first few responses.  all of that information should be on the far right hand side of your full screen graph in what is referred to as the amplitude bar. 

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 We haven't even gotten to the part where Timmer is hole-hopping not to catch more fish, but, because he's looking for the roundest hole with the straightest cut through the ice column, it doesn't really matter if there's fish in that hole, as long as it's straight and perfectly round.

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I have drilled 100 holes in a day before, still isnt that big of deal. I guess Ice fish in waterproof boots and bibs....

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

How is slush really this big a deal - to the point that a certain type of locator becomes a pain? Drill - kick some slushysnow to one side and and on to drilling next hole...........it literally takes and extra 5 seconds......max

And from my side of the fence.... the slush doesn't bother me a bit, so I leave it until/unless it's a fishable hole. 

What is your deal with having to clean holes? Why is needing to remove some slush such a big deal? Just leave it.

 

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Okay, so I went to watch a Marcum video off IDO's website (what I should have done in the first place).  Here is a print screen (and how I see things when I fish):

So on the left, what is the point of that?  In green is the jig and in red is the fish (the lines).  How is it helpful?  You don't see real-time because it scrolls from right to left.  Without the vertical bar zoom display on the right I wouldn't know a fish is there until a glob of red lines shows up scrolling to the left.

I had it in my head I was going to watch myself jig in the middle of the screen and see fish coming from either right or left.  I guess I should have been smarter than that.  So shame on be for being ridiculous in thought.

So that is what has me confused, what am I missing as far as advantage of fishing with a graph?  In the boat it is super helpful because your eyes are on different things.  Rod tips, looking at the scenery, tying up jigs, etc, etc, etc.  I guess in a nutshell this might be somewhat helpful ice fishing but nine times out of ten that bar display or on a traditional flasher display is going to be "bubbling" (as I call it) different colors telling you something is coming or leaving the cone.  With the Marcum it scrolls off the graph so fast you still need to be paying attention at all times.

IDK, just was expecting something different from everything I was reading.


 

 

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

How is slush really this big a deal - to the point that a certain type of locator becomes a pain? Drill - kick some slushysnow to one side and and on to drilling next hole...........it literally takes and extra 5 seconds......max 

If you want you can even kick the ice shavings away before you fully punch through....

I used to do just that on every hole when I was young. Then over the years after having kicked snow/slush from a very large number of holes (30 years worth) I started leaving it there... and I've never looked back.

Ha ha - only on FBO could we argue about whether or not to clear holes. But I ain't arguing, just saying I'm at the point where it doesn't seem worth the energy. Just getting myself out of my truck and back into my house is a struggle after a day of exploring with the auger.

 

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

How is slush really this big a deal - to the point that a certain type of locator becomes a pain? Drill - kick some slushysnow to one side and and on to drilling next hole...........it literally takes and extra 5 seconds......max

So much easier to lay the finder outside the slush cone, plop the ducer in and fish.  To use the Marcum (or bar) as intended your graph sits at an angle.  Again, I can get buy with this by just going back to what I am use to.  So this isn't as big of a deal.

But still, I am not going to go around kicking ice holes (I do plenty of tire kicking ) or shoveling them.  The only time I kick ice holes if if I set windlass tip-ups or set up the portable.  Ocassionaly I guess you can catch me kicking them but most times by the time I get to all my holes I drilled (I move from hole to hole every 5 to 10 minutes) they are froze.  Not so bad when it is 30 degrees or so out but when you have a little wind and it is in the teens for temps or lower it doesn't take long for the holes to ice up and make kickin pretty tough.

And ya, I have waterproof bibs but walking around with frozen ice caked to the bibs isn't that much fun.


 

 

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 We haven't even gotten to the part where Timmer is hole-hopping not to catch more fish, but, because he's looking for the roundest hole with the straightest cut through the ice column, it doesn't really matter if there's fish in that hole, as long as it's straight and perfectly round.

Heck no, I use a chipper.  I want that buggar to cut even if I drill through sand.  Unlike the dang serrated curved blades!  I do get a little upset if a hole is at a 20 degree angle because someone had to lean on their auger to drill a hole.

I run from hole to hole to catch fish.  On Sakakawea you get very limited time in the morning and evening to make that work so every little bit of time counts.  Not to mention, comfort while doing it!  As in defeinding guy's comments on why even kick the ice slush.  Just lay the cord over and fish.


 

 

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A clean and tidy hole is very important to me

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 On Sakakawea you get very limited time in the morning and evening to make that work so every little bit of time counts. 

And you're wasting that time running on the ice instead of having your jig in the water?

I don't believe you.  I think you're looking for a perfectly round hole, in addition, that hole had better NOT have any snags or sharp spots that could cut your line if you catch a frisky fish.

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espringers,

I saw some of those things you mentioned and get that but to me, I want to see what the fish is doing versus what it did.

As I said before, you knwo when a fish leaves or enteres the cone with a flasher.  Just like you said, you look at the bottom of the graph to see if a fish is hugging bottom and decipher by the color change.  A flasher starts to flicker and do all sort of things.  As I call it, "fish bubbling."  I get excited when I see fish bubbling!  If I was watching that graph I'd already have a bite before I knew a fish was there.  I guess that is the point as that happened this past weekend.  I didn't see the fish until I was reeling it up.  I guess with the graph I can watch myself reel fish up!  Ha ha.

But then I switched my displays so I had both the graph and the vertical zoom (showdown style).  My screen looked exactly like that of the screen shot I put above.

As for text, that is where Lowrance wins.  I cannot adjust text size on any of the "battery meters" or side depth readings.  Normally not a big deal because like you, I know I'm fishing for bottom feeders and I don't do a lot of panfish or perch fishing.


 

 

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the video of the 67, 68 above shows what i am talking about.  the far right hand side of the graph has a vertical black line.  to the right of that black line is the real time sonar data... to the left of that black line is the recording of said data.  i call the part to the right of the line an amplitude bar (i may be misusing this term... it might apply to something entirely different. but, i remember that term and for some reason its stuck in my head that that is what it is).  essentially that is your vertical flasher akin to what i think you are referring to when you speak of when you mention the "showdown" theme.  in that particular unit, it is pretty small and you need the sensitivity turned a bit more to show the colors that you see in the recording to the left.  but, on my bigger lowrances and i think on marcums, that amplitude bar is wider and the color and response mimicks what you see in the recording. 

in response to your response about the slush in the hole... i would just scrap the arm.  as long as you have it wo it ain't putting pressure on the connection between the unit and the ducer cord, i can't imagine it would be a problem.  my origina 68 came with an arm.  i used it one day and then threw it away... literally.  don't bother with a float either.  i'd much rather have my ducer cord tucked nice and tight agains the side of the hole with the ducer right below the ice.  keeps everything out of the way and insures its parallel to the bottom of the ice. 

regarding a carrying case...i ain't sure what marcum uses.  but, what is the difference between theirs and the vex carrying case or the lowrance soft cases?  my current lowrance is actually mounted on an old vex case without a soft cover.  but, as far as convenience, my old soft case on my 522 was just as convient.  i had the zip up cover unzipped all the time and tucked underneath the carrying handle.  just drop the ducer in the hole to fish... pick it up and stick it inside when moving on to the next hole.  what is slipping off of what?

i sure wish i was in your area... i'd try help you get it dialed in.  but, to be honest... even tho it was a graph, i didn't like my uncles marcum nearly as much as my older lowrance.  i'd take a color 300 or 500 series lowrance over a new marcum any day of the week... especially for the cost of those darn things.  i suspect i would say the same thing about the elite series lowrances... if history holds true, i would rather have one of them than a marcum.  in fact, if i didn't already have an hds unit for my boat to use on the ice, i think i would be buying an elite for the ice or a used 300 or 500 series lowrance.  my 522 had one feature my hds doesn't that i really miss. 

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 On Sakakawea you get very limited time in the morning and evening to make that work so every little bit of time counts. 

And you're wasting that time running on the ice instead of having your jig in the water?

I don't believe you.  I think you're looking for a perfectly round hole, in addition, that hole had better NOT have any snags or sharp spots that could cut your line if you catch a frisky fish.

God help the fish if you ever stop thinkin' and start fishin'.

Ha ha.  I guess I will have to post photos of our weekend's adventures...

But in seriousness, I do run on the ice!  I am sort of a nut.  I run to the tip-ups.  If I miss a fish or get a fish on the ice with the jig rod I run to put the fish in a cooler (I do not like cleaning frozen fish) and get a new minnow.  Sometimes I break the rules and throw fish at the hole if I still have my minnow.

What I do need to do is pre-cut minnows so I have a little side pocket stash of them.  Then I wouldn't have to leave the hole to go get minnows out of the minnow bucket.  I think next time out I am going to do that.  Just hate it when they freeze because when you put a hook in you sort of gash a bigger hole in the minnow head and it gets easier to jig them loose.  When stabbed fresh the minnow stays on better.  I guess a little plano box or some other little case would work good inside my hoodie or when it is real cold inside my big coat.  That way they stay unfrozen.


 

 

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I fished outside for like 20 minutes this weekend and then decided that the inside of Ahab's ice lodge was a more comfortable alternative lol cant beat fishing in sweatpants

 

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 We haven't even gotten to the part where Timmer is hole-hopping not to catch more fish, but, because he's looking for the roundest hole with the straightest cut through the ice column, it doesn't really matter if there's fish in that hole, as long as it's straight and perfectly round.

Heck no, I use a chipper.  I want that buggar to cut even if I drill through sand.  Unlike the dang serrated curved blades!  I do get a little upset if a hole is at a 20 degree angle because someone had to lean on their auger to drill a hole.

I run from hole to hole to catch fish.  On Sakakawea you get very limited time in the morning and evening to make that work so every little bit of time counts.  Not to mention, comfort while doing it!  As in defeinding guy's comments on why even kick the ice slush.                    Just lay the cord over and fish.

No reason you couldnt do that with the Marcum...

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I jig at the back of the boat and use my HDS 10 any time I can when the conditions are right on soft water.  I use it just as you would for ice fishing.  That being said, I will agree with Tim on that I see it being no better than a flasher.  In fact, I actually prefer a flasher over a graph because it is slightly more immediate and when I see the flicker of fins moving up, it almost always means to brace for a strike.  Just my preference I guess.  The reality of it, though, is just give me something to see fish and their reaction to my bait and I am just fine.  Doesn't matter what it is.  It's like splitting hairs when it comes to this crap.

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I fished outside for like 20 minutes this weekend and then decided that the inside of Ahab's ice lodge was a more comfortable alternative lol cant beat fishing in sweatpants

 

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I jig at the back of the boat and use my HDS 10 any time I can when the conditions are right on soft water.  I use it just as you would for ice fishing.  That being said, I will agree with Tim on that I see it being no better than a flasher.  In fact, I actually prefer a flasher over a graph because it is slightly more immediate and when I see the flicker of fins moving up, it almost always means to brace for a strike.  Just my preference I guess.  The reality of it, though, is just give me something to see fish and their reaction to my bait and I am just fine.  Doesn't matter what it is.  It's like splitting hairs when it comes to this crap.

Yep - except the goofy a$$ flasher display that Lowrance has. I'd much rather watch real time scroll than their goofy flasher emulation thingy.

 

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hmm.... now i see what you are talking about... doesn't that "showdown" bar show the same "fish bubbling"?  if not, it should... that is akin to the amplitude bar that my lowrance has on the right.  the bottom cone you are referring to should be that red block at the bottom of your showdown vertical display... it should flicker and "bubble" just like your flasher.  if you can't see that, you either need to adjust your colorline or sensitiviy settings or throw the thing away... i couldn't fish without that information either.  that showdown bar should be just like your round flasher readout... only vertical. 

i also see that the digital readouts on the right side of the screen take up a bunch of the screen... silly.  it reduces the amount of "recording" you have access to.  and if your screen scrolls so fast that you only have a few seconds of 'recording", you should have a setting to slow down the scroll speed of the chart... if it doesn't allow you to do that and you only have a few seconds of recording, i'd be looking for something else too.

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