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Yep that's what I thought!!  I don't sit still when fishing, constantly moving from hole to hole and never noticed the weight. 

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 11 pounds?  Holy. 

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 So I am also looking for new electronics.  All I have is an old camera and desperately need something new.  On a pretty tight budget though so I am looking at Lowrance either the x67 or the elite 4.  I think I like the idea of the elite 4 for the purpose of the gps.  My question is for those of you that say you prefer your handheld gps over having it on the sonar.  What is a decent handheld and how much am I going to spend on that, can I just get a cheapy Garmin for $100?  I'm thinking for the extra $100 I might just go with the elite and already have the gps.  Although I like the idea of the hand held too.  

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9.99 app from Navionics   --- and spend the money on the lorwance

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I am not one to mount my electronics in my truck ---- as early in the season i am pulling  my sleds to my spot hence the smart phone and the app= plus its got a better road map than my chip in my bird.

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I have a new Elite 5 still in the box.  Been waiting to mount it on another boat or sell it.  Might try and use it for ice fishing.   Can I use it with the boat transducer that came with it?  Does it have a graph and a flasher mode?  Not sure if I should sell it and get a Vex or a Marcum.

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u need a different transducer. not a chance in Hades I would sell a graph and take a loss then go buy a vex or Marcum. I love my graph. or sell it and by a transducer for one of the other boat units u have and stick some cash in your pocket for a rainy day. how much u want for it? and don't worry if it h as a flasher mode. it s stupid to use a flasher on a graph.

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I have a new Elite 5 still in the box. Been waiting to mount it on another boat or sell it. Might try and use it for ice fishing. Can I use it with the boat transducer that came with it? Does it have a graph and a flasher mode? Not sure if I should sell it and get a Vex or a Marcum.

it has the flasher mode that is split screen with the graph mode.  you set it to the ice fishing mode and takes care of that.  has 4x zoom on the graph side which i really like.  get the whole kit for 149.00 at cabelas and you have a case, battery and tranducer all with it and a couple sweet little tackle boxes.  i put all my go to jigs in those and dont have to worry about where they are any more

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u need a different transducer. not a chance in Hades I would sell a graph and take a loss then go buy a vex or Marcum. I love my graph. or sell it and by a transducer for one of the other boat units u have and stick some cash in your pocket for a rainy day. how much u want for it? and don't worry if it h as a flasher mode. it s stupid to use a flasher on a graph.

Lowrance get a tighter cone yet?


 

 

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u need a different transducer. not a chance in Hades I would sell a graph and take a loss then go buy a vex or Marcum. I love my graph. or sell it and by a transducer for one of the other boat units u have and stick some cash in your pocket for a rainy day. how much u want for it? and don't worry if it h as a flasher mode. it s stupid to use a flasher on a graph.

Lowrance get a tighter cone yet?

The tighter cone thing is overrated IMO. 20 deg works just fine. 

Here it comes...wait for it....

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u need a different transducer. not a chance in Hades I would sell a graph and take a loss then go buy a vex or Marcum. I love my graph. or sell it and by a transducer for one of the other boat units u have and stick some cash in your pocket for a rainy day. how much u want for it? and don't worry if it h as a flasher mode. it s stupid to use a flasher on a graph.

Lowrance get a tighter cone yet?

Yes, they brought in an outside the industry cone expert as a consultant on the project. They will launch the new cones (code named "Pointers") in late 2013.

 

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u need a different transducer. not a chance in Hades I would sell a graph and take a loss then go buy a vex or Marcum. I love my graph. or sell it and by a transducer for one of the other boat units u have and stick some cash in your pocket for a rainy day. how much u want for it? and don't worry if it h as a flasher mode. it s stupid to use a flasher on a graph.

Lowrance get a tighter cone yet?

The tighter cone thing is overrated IMO. 20 deg works just fine. 

Here it comes...wait for it....

Wait for me to say this?  Are you nuts?

What is the point of anything if you cannot see bottom, the fish or worse your jig?  That is what happens when you fish on structure with a 20 degree cone.  Period.  No way around it.  Zero.


 

 

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So yeah, there is it.  Heh, heh.


 

 

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fished a sharp edge on tuesday night with no issues once i adjusted the grapgh for that. 

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u need a different transducer. not a chance in Hades I would sell a graph and take a loss then go buy a vex or Marcum. I love my graph. or sell it and by a transducer for one of the other boat units u have and stick some cash in your pocket for a rainy day. how much u want for it? and don't worry if it h as a flasher mode. it s stupid to use a flasher on a graph.

Lowrance get a tighter cone yet?

The tighter cone thing is overrated IMO. 20 deg works just fine. 

Here it comes...wait for it....

Wait for me to say this?  Are you nuts?

What is the point of anything if you cannot see bottom, the fish or worse your jig?  That is what happens when you fish on structure with a 20 degree cone.  Period.  No way around it.  Zero.

I guess I'm not as good as a fisherman as you Tim. or maybe I am. Cone works just fine, never had an issue with it. 

I can see the bottom just fine. Dead zone has never been issue with me. Period! 

You can argue all you want. Its kinda funny actually. Go ahead and get what you want, I don't care. 

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fished a sharp edge on tuesday night with no issues once i adjusted the grapgh for that. 

Exactly! Thanks Kurt. I did the same on a steep drop near Indian Creek last week. I wonder if people have actually tried them before they pass judgement on them? Funny stuff! 

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KurtR,

How do you adjust the graph to deal with dead zones?

Maybe if I was taught that I wouldn't have to worry.  Marcum, Humminbird and Vexilar also wouldn't have to build different cones to accomodate ice fishermen needs either.

Seriously though, I am asking an honest question.  If adjusted how did you do it?

And sdx, I'm no better than any other fisherman.  Just know when I fish Sakakawea I am forced to deal with very steep structure at times.  When fishing it, you get the dead zones.  I guess the only way I will know how well that Lowrance cone works is to get you to come on out for a trip on the Sakakawea ice.  Maybe Feb?

I've seldom sat stationary jigging in open water so I have never expieremented with the graph trying to see if dead zones exist on structure.  Might have to tinker with that this spring.


 

 

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fished a sharp edge on tuesday night with no issues once i adjusted the grapgh for that. 

Exactly! Thanks Kurt. I did the same on a steep drop near Indian Creek last week. I wonder if people have actually tried them before they pass judgement on them? Funny stuff! 

So there is admittance the cone does give fits with structure?  I think we got that out of the way now I just want to know how to adjust to accomodate for it.

Have you tinkered with rocks or washouts?  On Sakakawea with the low water for years we had some real good erosion where it left banks and also exposed other rocks or brought out the sandstone "rocks."  The spot we pulled them saugers from you can feel your jig bounce off the rock and then fall another foot or two to the actual bottom.  I could see that interference on the flasher but still see my jig 90% of the time.  Can you fine tune that out as well with the graph?


 

 

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Carroll offered this in a different forum:

http://www.oahewings.com/forums/ice_fishing_with_hds5?app_p=3


 

 

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Mostly edges and deep drops you can adjust the sensitivity and fishing mode/color scheme to see what part of the column you want to look at. Is it flawless? No. Is it more than serviceable and a good tool? Yes. 

I was fishing in 40 FOW on a steep drop and it was pretty amazing how you can adjust things to see what is going on down there into the dead zone. You also see fish show up much sooner when they reach the edge of the cone. I really like that. Not to mention the 15-20 seconds of screen memory to catch you jigging cadence and fish if you looked away. 

I really don't care what people get (I don't think you can go wrong with a Vex, Hummingbird, etc. they are all great), but its just strange to me people come on here arguing against it when they really have never tried using a modern day graph on the ice. 

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fished a sharp edge on tuesday night with no issues once i adjusted the grapgh for that. 

Exactly! Thanks Kurt. I did the same on a steep drop near Indian Creek last week. I wonder if people have actually tried them before they pass judgement on them? Funny stuff! 

i was just off the swiming beach at revheim so we were close. 

Tim i am still new to it but i just mess with the zoom, sensitivity and between 200 and 83 khz.  It seems once i get it dialed i dont feel at a disadvantage to the marcum my wife was using right beside me.  we were seeing the same structure but with the graph I feel like i have more detail but that is just my preferance.

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fished a sharp edge on tuesday night with no issues once i adjusted the grapgh for that. 

Exactly! Thanks Kurt. I did the same on a steep drop near Indian Creek last week. I wonder if people have actually tried them before they pass judgement on them? Funny stuff! 

i was just off the swiming beach at revheim so we were close. 

Tim i am still new to it but i just mess with the zoom, sensitivity and between 200 and 83 khz.  It seems once i get it dialed i dont feel at a disadvantage to the marcum my wife was using right beside me.  we were seeing the same structure but with the graph I feel like i have more detail but that is just my preferance.

You weren't "that guy" with a pickup on the ice, were ya? haha. 

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yep after watching a 3/4 diesel and 1/2 ford drive across the lake i was not draging my crap around any more.  I know both guys driving across they have been doing it for a few days.  the kids close to us were worried  there flip over was going to break through when the ice was poping it was funny

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Mostly edges and deep drops you can adjust the sensitivity and fishing mode/color scheme to see what part of the column you want to look at. Is it flawless? No. Is it more than serviceable and a good tool? Yes. 

I was fishing in 40 FOW on a steep drop and it was pretty amazing how you can adjust things to see what is going on down there into the dead zone. You also see fish show up much sooner when they reach the edge of the cone. I really like that. Not to mention the 15-20 seconds of screen memory to catch you jigging cadence and fish if you looked away. 

I really don't care what people get (I don't think you can go wrong with a Vex, Hummingbird, etc. they are all great), but its just strange to me people come on here arguing against it when they really have never tried using a modern day graph on the ice. 

Honestly, the only thing that scared me away is the cone.  I do a lot of hole to hole fishing and if I had to tinker with the change in structure I wouldn't like that much.  With the flasher and a tighter cone it is simply lift and drop and fish.

Hey, I broke my mold and went with a Marcum this go around.  It has both sonar and flasher so I should still make you happy I'm half on your team.  Ha!


 

 

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yep after watching a 3/4 diesel and 1/2 ford drive across the lake i was not draging my crap around any more.  I know both guys driving across they have been doing it for a few days.  the kids close to us were worried  there flip over was going to break through when the ice was poping it was funny

So, how many vehicles go through the ice during the tourney next week? LOL. 

I'm hoping to get out again Saturday, otherwise I'll be out Thursday for a couple of day of prefishing and festivities! 

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Mostly edges and deep drops you can adjust the sensitivity and fishing mode/color scheme to see what part of the column you want to look at. Is it flawless? No. Is it more than serviceable and a good tool? Yes. 

I was fishing in 40 FOW on a steep drop and it was pretty amazing how you can adjust things to see what is going on down there into the dead zone. You also see fish show up much sooner when they reach the edge of the cone. I really like that. Not to mention the 15-20 seconds of screen memory to catch you jigging cadence and fish if you looked away. 

I really don't care what people get (I don't think you can go wrong with a Vex, Hummingbird, etc. they are all great), but its just strange to me people come on here arguing against it when they really have never tried using a modern day graph on the ice. 

Honestly, the only thing that scared me away is the cone.  I do a lot of hole to hole fishing and if I had to tinker with the change in structure I wouldn't like that much.  With the flasher and a tighter cone it is simply lift and drop and fish.

Hey, I broke my mold and went with a Marcum this go around.  It has both sonar and flasher so I should still make you happy I'm half on your team.  Ha!

Keep us posted on how that Marcum works. It looks like a fine machine. Yeah, one of these days I'll make it up. Too darn busy coaching hockey so my time on the ice is limited until March. 

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yep after watching a 3/4 diesel and 1/2 ford drive across the lake i was not draging my crap around any more.  I know both guys driving across they have been doing it for a few days.  the kids close to us were worried  there flip over was going to break through when the ice was poping it was funny

So, how many vehicles go through the ice during the tourney next week? LOL. 

I'm hoping to get out again Saturday, otherwise I'll be out Thursday for a couple of day of prefishing and festivities! 

i would guess just as many 4 wheelers.  on friday go watch at indian creek and i bet at least one person drives in that presure ridge across the points.  Have christmas in watertown this weekend than after that i want to take thurs and fri off to fish.

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yep after watching a 3/4 diesel and 1/2 ford drive across the lake i was not draging my crap around any more.  I know both guys driving across they have been doing it for a few days.  the kids close to us were worried  there flip over was going to break through when the ice was poping it was funny

So, how many vehicles go through the ice during the tourney next week? LOL. 

I'm hoping to get out again Saturday, otherwise I'll be out Thursday for a couple of day of prefishing and festivities! 

i would guess just as many 4 wheelers.  on friday go watch at indian creek and i bet at least one person drives in that presure ridge across the points.  Have christmas in watertown this weekend than after that i want to take thurs and fri off to fish.

I'll buy you an adult beverage if we bump into you. I'll be with Simms. 

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last year the day after the rules meeting was probally the worst i have ever felt in my life

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Okay, so I used the Marcum-6.

I'm not totally impressed.  I'll explain.

#1:  Carrying case is very inconvienent.  I move from hole to hole when I fish.  Using the carrying case was not an option because there is no fastening of it to the base.  So when you carry it, it wants to slip off.  So I removed it.

The base itself is manageable but when you have gloves on it is very cumbersome to carry by the little handle it has.

Conclusion:  Not impressed.

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#2:  At first I was pumped to have the "extendable arm" to put my transducer in the water with.  But after use, I'd rather go back to nothing but transducer cord or use the foam piece.  Why?  Because I don't go to each ice hole and make it pretty to fish around (clean the slush and snow so it is all flat).  Since it is not flat and the fact I was forced to use the original base meant the unit would sit very goofy and the transucer didn't want to dangle nice.  Would always slide away from the ice hole and then I'd have to adjust the ducer.  I guess techincally this can be fixed because I can just go pure cord like I use to.

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Conclusion
:  Not that big of a deal since would be nice in some cases and in those that it isn't an issue I can adjust by going just pure cord.

#3:  Buttons to adjust sensitivity, zoom, etc.  On the digital units it is all about pushing buttons.  Well, fine and dandy if you sit in a heated ice house or plan on sitting in one spot and don't have to deal with different situations like depths, structure, etc.  I found the buttons to be a pain in the but because when wearing gloves it gets very difficult to adjust settings.  It would just annoy me as I tried to push on the unit and it slid away from the ice hole.  So it really becomes a two hand proposition where one hand needs to hold the unit in place while you push the buttons.  This also requires taking gloves off one hand that is pushing the bottons.

Conclusion:  Much rather have simple turn knobs for gain, target adjust, etc.

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#4:  The sonar.  Okay guys with Lowrances or other devices for ice fishing using the chart.  What exactly is the benefit?  When I used in graph or chart view all I see is a line running from right to left showing bottom.  When I jig I can see my jig stroke but I don't get to see it in the middle of the screen.  It is always right to left.  In otherwords, AFTER THE FACT.  That's fine for jig stroke, I don't really care, I know what I am doing when I use my brain to tell my arm and hands to move the jigging rod.

When I am stationary I see a line on my graph showing bottom and that my jig is sitting stationary.  Okay, fine.  But I don't see a fish coming in until it is already there (from right to left).  It is usually just a red line somewhere either right on bottom (so it looks like I have two bottom readings) or at my jig (so I can't see my jig).  Again, what is the benefit of this?  I really do not see an instant reaction to my jigging or if the fish is following me if I try to coax it off the bottom.

Maybe I have a wrong setting but I couldn't see how I forced the chart to read.  In my opinion, I wouldn't mind the chart but I want to have my jig in the middle of the screen and I see fish coming from left or right.

Seeing my "history" while jigging.  No benefit to me at all other than pretty things to look at.

Conclusion:  Not a fan at all...but maybe I am doing something wrong??  You guys have screen shots you can give me? 

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#5:  The Marcum 6 has all sorts of settings for display.  Chart, chart zoom.  Vertical, vertical zoom.  And of course the flasher view.  I will be honest, I didn't need the flasher view because I did not mind the vertical zoom.  In all honestly, basically I could have bought the showdown because that is essentially the display window I gravitated to.

My issue with that view is you don't see it happening until it happens.  When the Vex or Hummingbird I could tell by how my bottom reading started to flicker, etc and I knew something was about to happen.  With the 6 I would be jigging and whalla, a fish showed up.  Not a huge deal but still worth mentioning.

Conclusion:  I didn't mind the vertical display (especially with the bottom zoom).  I liked how the bottom zoom automatically adjusts on the fly to 5 feet of the bottom no matter where I went.  But in the end, the chart display has no benefit for me.  Maybe I have a setting wrong but in my boat I know I cannot force the "action" to be in the middle of my screen (it always scrolls right to left) so I don't know how it is possible period.

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#6: Other options like seeing your battery power, how much your cone is showing you bottom wise, etc.  Sure, they are nice but when I thought about it, I never looked once at those features.  Why?  Hard when you are standing on the ice and the text size is so small.  So really, what is the purpose?  Usually, you need to know one thing and you can do that on your own.  When you get home, put the charger on the battery.  Simple enough.

Conclusion:  Nice but not required at all.

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#6:  I was impressed with target seperation.  When I lifted the jig an inch off the bottom I could see I was an inch of the bottom.  However, with target zoom I had a bigger "blob" showing my jig than I would like.  I had sensitiveity turned down and my target size adjusted.  Of course, this is in zoom mode so that could have something to do with it and i didn't try out vertical display (none zoomed) long enough.

Conclusion:  The Marcum 6 is very fast with response time and you have great target seperation.  Thing is, I could see my snap swivel using the Hummingbird and vex but I couldn't with the 6.  That was a bit odd given how well the Marcum did perform as mentioned above.

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#7:  I like their charger setup.  Nice to just plug and be done.

Conclusion:  What I said above but I can make my own charge system the way I like it if I really wanted too.

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So what am I going to do?  I think I am going to take it back and get a hummingbird because I like seeing the digital readout for depth.  The 6 didn't do anything more than a traditional flasher can do.  What I didn't mind was the "showdown" theme and that does weigh on my mind but really, for how I fish and how I beat up gear I feel that the LCD screen (or maybe it is LED...I don't know) just gives me more hassle than what it gives in benefit.

Just thought I'd give my honest interpretation of the unit and I really REALLY am curious if my interpretation of the chart or "boat sonar" is accurate?  Do you really just sit and watch from right to left and get what happened instead of what is happening?  Or can the Lowrances and others adjust differently?


 

 

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Need more feedback.  I need to decide if keeping the Marcum or going back to the tried and true.  I always welcome opinion.


 

 

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