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News Flash!

Tim remains undecided - even AFTER deciding and making the purchase.

By the way - I agree with most of his points. I use flashers "hole hopping" a lot. Especially the "pretty around the hole" issue. No arm BS for me. The OLD FL-8 has the best handle. The fat FL-18 foam sleeve storing handle sucks for small-handed little fellers like me.

 

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I personally really like the arm vs. float. I seem to get way less fish tangled in ducer cord.

I dont understand how you couldnt see fish while in graph mode?

 

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

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buckmaster81 Said:
Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

yup

 

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I don't understand the slush issue. I don't use a float or an arm on my fl8 or my lowrance. Just toss the ducer in the hole and make sure its just below the ice w either. How does a slushy hole affect this process? I need further explanation.

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buckmaster81 Said:
Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

LMAO....

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I just got my Marcum and I love the transducer arm..

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I don't use an arm or a float.  I lower the transducer so its sits right below the ice and then tie the cord off on the side of the vexilar case.  Those arms and floats get in the way is all they do.  As far as having a digital readout that would be nice for depth.  The only downside to the digital readouts is that they are liquid crystal.  liquid crystal freezes at 4 degrees below zero and can crack.  This temp was told to me by a lowrance customer service rep. 

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huh?  they definitely don't freeze at -4 degrees.  mine sits in my truck all winter long and has every year i've actually had one for the last 7-8.  and when i fish out of my truck it sits on the ground.  i can guarandamntee you it is colder than 4 below and they don't freeze up and/or crack... whoevever told you that is probably on crack. 

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huh?  they definitely don't freeze at -4 degrees.  mine sits in my truck all winter long and has every year i've actually had one for the last 7-8.  and when i fish out of my truck it sits on the ground.  i can guarandamntee you it is colder than 4 below and they don't freeze up and/or crack... whoevever told you that is probably on crack. 

ok.... Lol

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

yup

Number one, shoveling is not mobile.  I drill around 30 holes a trip and sometimes many more than that.  Do not want to go around shoveling holes.

Two, kicking slush around on that many holes isn't going to be very nice either.  Not to mention very icy on a guy's bibs once it freezes!  I drill a bunch and then get fishing.

Three, by the time I get back to the holes they are frozen.  Kicking frozen snow cones is no fun.

Only time I really clean around an ice hole is when I set up tip-ups and I rarely do that now that I have switched to polar pop ups.


 

 

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guywhofishes Said:
News Flash!

Tim remains undecided - even AFTER deciding and making the purchase.

By the way - I agree with most of his points. I use flashers "hole hopping" a lot. Especially the "pretty around the hole" issue. No arm BS for me. The OLD FL-8 has the best handle. The fat FL-18 foam sleeve storing handle sucks for small-handed little fellers like me.

Well I thought I'd spend 600 bucks and be happy.  I'm not, so unit hasn't got a scratch so I will take it back to get something that I will be satisfied with.  Fully satisfied.


 

 

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I personally really like the arm vs. float. I seem to get way less fish tangled in ducer cord.

I dont understand how you couldnt see fish while in graph mode?

I wish I would have taken some screen shots or video.  I see a fish and my jig but it is rather strange how you see it.  Maybe I can find some screen shots on the web to show.

Can you guys put examples up of what you see on the screen in graph mode?  Lowrance and Marcum?


 

 

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I fish panfish under my Lowrance in my boat as often as I can open water. It's a hoot when the wind/anchor and depths, etc. all work out (to the point where your rig is under the transducer).

So swapping between traditional flasher and graph is intuitive. I do like the "history" of the graph (seeing fish that came and went, seeing your cadence pattern, etc.) - but I'm perfectly happy with my FL-18 even after 10 years or so. I even have a couple old Lowrance graphs I could convert (one color LCMS 332C or some such). Just never got around to it.

 

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

 

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I don't understand the slush issue. I don't use a float or an arm on my fl8 or my lowrance. Just toss the ducer in the hole and make sure its just below the ice w either. How does a slushy hole affect this process? I need further explanation.

I thougth I explained it.

I am refering to the arm that comes out of the Marcum to keep the transducer in place.  If you have a cone or leave the hole as is without having to kick wet slush all over hell or use a shovel it is shaped like a mound.  Utilzing the arm on the Marcum is impossible because it doesn't extend far enough and the Marcum will sit slanted.  So the only option is to do what I mentioned (and what I do anyway) which is to just use the "dangle" trick and throw the ducer into the hole and let the cord rest against the ice hole edge.  This is fine, that's is how I did it before because I hated the float but honestly, after using a 10 inch hole more that float is actualy kind in that I can be more rough with the ducer cord and can always assure my ducer will hang straight.  Also, I can assure it will be parrelel to the water (perfectly horzontal).  Most times just used the ducer cord works though.


 

 

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

Even then I don't want to go shoveling or kicking every ice hole.


 

 

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Shallow..... but this is what I see in the summer.
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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

How is slush really this big a deal - to the point that a certain type of locator becomes a pain? Drill - kick some slushysnow to one side and and on to drilling next hole...........it literally takes and extra 5 seconds......max

 

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get some water proof bibs Timmers

 

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

How is slush really this big a deal - to the point that a certain type of locator becomes a pain? Drill - kick some slushysnow to one side and and on to drilling next hole...........it literally takes and extra 5 seconds......max 

If you want you can even kick the ice shavings away before you fully punch through....

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marcum's are a little different... so all of my responses are from a lowrance owners perspective... but, for the most part they hold true i think. 

as far as tim's issue w/ not seeing the jig and or fish in the middle of the screen... it ain't meant to show it to you there.  here is the best way to look at it.... the far right hand side is your "flasher" or real time sonar reading...  mine actually has an amplitude bar (i think that is what is is called) just to the right of the graph or the recording... everything else to the left of that is just what you think it is... a recording of your sonar data... believe me... it comes in handy.  i've looked away from my graph hundreds of times only to look back down at it and see that a fish had come off the bottom to look at my jig when i wasn't looking.  w/ a flasher and no recording of the flasher or sonar data, you would have no idea you had missed that fish had you been looking someplace else for even just a few seconds. 

issue w/ not seeing a fish coming in until he came off the bottom... i think you need to adjust your colorline settings.  you can see the color change in the "bottom" before the fish actually comes off the bottom w/ a graph as well when things are set right.  again... you need to get used to idea that your "flasher" is the entire right side of the screen... everything else is just gravy.

kind of related... but, mine shows such a good picture i can tell if my lure is rotating or spinning on the bottom and/or if my minnow is active.  not only do you need to learn to read the real time data on the right... but, the recorded data helps you decipher little things like this.  when it is rotating or spinning from line memory or whatever the hell causes your lure to spin i can actually see the sonar response from my lure show a bigger response and then a smaller response... when it finally stops spinning i know it cause the ping becomes much more consistent.  same thing when my minnow is swimming... the ping flickers and you can see the flicker in the recording much better than in the real time flasher reading on the right.  when he is dead... the line looks dead. 

text size on displays... should be adjustable. on a lowrance anyway you can pick what overlay data you want displayed on your graph and what size it will be displayed in.  in the winter, i have the time, voltage and the depth... depth big or medium... time small.  in the summer its depth, ground speed, time, temp...

pushing buttons with gloves on... i've learned to live with it.  but, once i get it dialed in, i rarely have to touch it again unless i have a drastic change in depth or i change my lure size by a lot. 

zoom or no zoom... i almost never use the split screen.  i usually do one of the other... but, usually i use zoom.  reason being, i almost never expect to see suspended fish when i am fishing.  there is a 99.99% chance the fish is on the bottom or within a few feet of the bottom.  i use the zoom feature, adjust my settings and leave it that way.  everyonce in a while i will zoom out quick just to take a quick look at the entire water column.  but, i see very little need for the split screen zoom and entire water column.  you should definitely be able to see your snap swivel or barrel swivel a foot above your lure.  only reason you might not be able to is that your sensitivity is set low because you didn't want your jig to be such a big blob.  increase your sensitivity and you should be able to see your swivel.  but, i ain't sure why you want to see your swivel anyway. 

regarding the showdown theme... i ain't sure what they have to offer.  but, if i remember right its just a glorified vertical flasher bar with digital readout.  again.. i refer back to my first few responses.  all of that information should be on the far right hand side of your full screen graph in what is referred to as the amplitude bar. 

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 We haven't even gotten to the part where Timmer is hole-hopping not to catch more fish, but, because he's looking for the roundest hole with the straightest cut through the ice column, it doesn't really matter if there's fish in that hole, as long as it's straight and perfectly round.

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I have drilled 100 holes in a day before, still isnt that big of deal. I guess Ice fish in waterproof boots and bibs....

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Wags86 Said:

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

How is slush really this big a deal - to the point that a certain type of locator becomes a pain? Drill - kick some slushysnow to one side and and on to drilling next hole...........it literally takes and extra 5 seconds......max

And from my side of the fence.... the slush doesn't bother me a bit, so I leave it until/unless it's a fishable hole. 

What is your deal with having to clean holes? Why is needing to remove some slush such a big deal? Just leave it.

 

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Okay, so I went to watch a Marcum video off IDO's website (what I should have done in the first place).  Here is a print screen (and how I see things when I fish):

So on the left, what is the point of that?  In green is the jig and in red is the fish (the lines).  How is it helpful?  You don't see real-time because it scrolls from right to left.  Without the vertical bar zoom display on the right I wouldn't know a fish is there until a glob of red lines shows up scrolling to the left.

I had it in my head I was going to watch myself jig in the middle of the screen and see fish coming from either right or left.  I guess I should have been smarter than that.  So shame on be for being ridiculous in thought.

So that is what has me confused, what am I missing as far as advantage of fishing with a graph?  In the boat it is super helpful because your eyes are on different things.  Rod tips, looking at the scenery, tying up jigs, etc, etc, etc.  I guess in a nutshell this might be somewhat helpful ice fishing but nine times out of ten that bar display or on a traditional flasher display is going to be "bubbling" (as I call it) different colors telling you something is coming or leaving the cone.  With the Marcum it scrolls off the graph so fast you still need to be paying attention at all times.

IDK, just was expecting something different from everything I was reading.


 

 

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buckmaster81 Said:

Wags86 Said:

guywhofishes Said:

buckmaster81 Said:
Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

How is slush really this big a deal - to the point that a certain type of locator becomes a pain? Drill - kick some slushysnow to one side and and on to drilling next hole...........it literally takes and extra 5 seconds......max 

If you want you can even kick the ice shavings away before you fully punch through....

I used to do just that on every hole when I was young. Then over the years after having kicked snow/slush from a very large number of holes (30 years worth) I started leaving it there... and I've never looked back.

Ha ha - only on FBO could we argue about whether or not to clear holes. But I ain't arguing, just saying I'm at the point where it doesn't seem worth the energy. Just getting myself out of my truck and back into my house is a struggle after a day of exploring with the auger.

 

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Wags86 Said:

guywhofishes Said:

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Shovel or kick the slush from your hole for Christ's sake...

I don't have time for that! I'm too busy chasing around trying to find fish cuz I am fishing a crap lake and should have driven another hour to a decent one.

How is slush really this big a deal - to the point that a certain type of locator becomes a pain? Drill - kick some slushysnow to one side and and on to drilling next hole...........it literally takes and extra 5 seconds......max

So much easier to lay the finder outside the slush cone, plop the ducer in and fish.  To use the Marcum (or bar) as intended your graph sits at an angle.  Again, I can get buy with this by just going back to what I am use to.  So this isn't as big of a deal.

But still, I am not going to go around kicking ice holes (I do plenty of tire kicking ) or shoveling them.  The only time I kick ice holes if if I set windlass tip-ups or set up the portable.  Ocassionaly I guess you can catch me kicking them but most times by the time I get to all my holes I drilled (I move from hole to hole every 5 to 10 minutes) they are froze.  Not so bad when it is 30 degrees or so out but when you have a little wind and it is in the teens for temps or lower it doesn't take long for the holes to ice up and make kickin pretty tough.

And ya, I have waterproof bibs but walking around with frozen ice caked to the bibs isn't that much fun.


 

 

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Horsager Said:
 We haven't even gotten to the part where Timmer is hole-hopping not to catch more fish, but, because he's looking for the roundest hole with the straightest cut through the ice column, it doesn't really matter if there's fish in that hole, as long as it's straight and perfectly round.

Heck no, I use a chipper.  I want that buggar to cut even if I drill through sand.  Unlike the dang serrated curved blades!  I do get a little upset if a hole is at a 20 degree angle because someone had to lean on their auger to drill a hole.

I run from hole to hole to catch fish.  On Sakakawea you get very limited time in the morning and evening to make that work so every little bit of time counts.  Not to mention, comfort while doing it!  As in defeinding guy's comments on why even kick the ice slush.  Just lay the cord over and fish.


 

 

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A clean and tidy hole is very important to me

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