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Ok, now let's throw one in the mix that would work for seeing fish around you, but not so much for marking fish about to bite.  Hummingbird's 360 imaging.  If you ran a compatible Hummingbird unit you could add this for a measly 2 grand(ha).  I have read about it in In-fish.  Carry on.

Personally when i first saw this technology my only thought was ice fishing.  I guess it would be fun in the boat too, but i'm never really sitting still.  I guess it probably works when slow trolling but i see it more as a bass fising tool, or maybe some on devils.  But for 2 grand i think i'll pass.  Could be alot of fun tho!


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Ok, now let's throw one in the mix that would work for seeing fish around you, but not so much for marking fish about to bite.  Hummingbird's 360 imaging.  If you ran a compatible Hummingbird unit you could add this for a measly 2 grand(ha).  I have read about it in In-fish.  Carry on.

Personally when i first saw this technology my only thought was ice fishing.  I guess it would be fun in the boat too, but i'm never really sitting still.  I guess it probably works when slow trolling but i see it more as a bass fising tool, or maybe some on devils.  But for 2 grand i think i'll pass.  Could be alot of fun tho!

If I could, I would rent one for a day just for fun.

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walleyes n whitetails Said:
So does the Lowrance Elite 5 DSI need anything different for ice fishing?  I'd imagine you would have to use the DI transducer (rather than the ice ducer) which could be difficult.  The DI has much better target seperation in the boat, so I think it would transfer over and work pretty well for ice fishing.  Anyone tried it?

I have.  Fantastic definition, especially in deeper water.  There are some limitations however.  You have to be able to rig the transducer so its level in the hole, it's not designed for ice fishing.  And the fan shaped DSI beam is very flat and see's just a narrow slice of the water column (typically somewhere between 3 and 6 degrees - I'm not sure of the exact spec).  So if a fish happens to swim into the beam at a perpendicular angle to the wide side of the fan, you won't have much warning they are coming.  Would I recommend a DSI only unit as a primary sonar for shallow water or general ice fishing?  No, not from what I've seen, even though the detail can be exceptional when conditions are favorable.  It's just not currently set up very well for ice fishing, but I had fun messing around with it.

For those of you wondering about what a graph looks like in action on ice, here is a Lowrance Gen 1 HDS-5:

http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv222/walleyedreams/?action=view&current=FinickyIceEye.mp4

I know I'll catch more fish using a graph display than I will with a flasher...

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it said this is a private album. Can you post a pic on here jim?

 

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Jim, it appears you are "all in" for graphs!

Just curious... 

1. Is Lowrance one of your sponsors?
2. Does Lowrance sell flashers?


 

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So does the Lowrance Elite 5 DSI need anything different for ice fishing?  I'd imagine you would have to use the DI transducer (rather than the ice ducer) which could be difficult.  The DI has much better target seperation in the boat, so I think it would transfer over and work pretty well for ice fishing.  Anyone tried it?

I have.  Fantastic definition, especially in deeper water.  There are some limitations however.  You have to be able to rig the transducer so its level in the hole, it's not designed for ice fishing.  And the fan shaped DSI beam is very flat and see's just a narrow slice of the water column (typically somewhere between 3 and 6 degrees - I'm not sure of the exact spec).  So if a fish happens to swim into the beam at a perpendicular angle to the wide side of the fan, you won't have much warning they are coming.  Would I recommend a DSI only unit as a primary sonar for shallow water or general ice fishing?  No, not from what I've seen, even though the detail can be exceptional when conditions are favorable.  It's just not currently set up very well for ice fishing, but I had fun messing around with it.

For those of you wondering about what a graph looks like in action on ice, here is a Lowrance Gen 1 HDS-5:

http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv222/walleyedreams/?action=view&current=FinickyIceEye.mp4

I know I'll catch more fish using a graph display than I will with a flasher...

Jim Carroll  NPAA #13
 

You don't use the amplitude scope(or whatever its called...i can't remember off hand)?


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Jim, it appears you are "all in" for graphs!

Just curious... 

1. Is Lowrance one of your sponsors?
2. Does Lowrance sell flashers?


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This sucks. Just finally bought an FL-18 and fell in love with it and now you are telling me that it's outdated?! Boo!

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So does the Lowrance Elite 5 DSI need anything different for ice fishing?  I'd imagine you would have to use the DI transducer (rather than the ice ducer) which could be difficult.  The DI has much better target seperation in the boat, so I think it would transfer over and work pretty well for ice fishing.  Anyone tried it?

I have.  Fantastic definition, especially in deeper water.  There are some limitations however.  You have to be able to rig the transducer so its level in the hole, it's not designed for ice fishing.  And the fan shaped DSI beam is very flat and see's just a narrow slice of the water column (typically somewhere between 3 and 6 degrees - I'm not sure of the exact spec).  So if a fish happens to swim into the beam at a perpendicular angle to the wide side of the fan, you won't have much warning they are coming.  Would I recommend a DSI only unit as a primary sonar for shallow water or general ice fishing?  No, not from what I've seen, even though the detail can be exceptional when conditions are favorable.  It's just not currently set up very well for ice fishing, but I had fun messing around with it.

For those of you wondering about what a graph looks like in action on ice, here is a Lowrance Gen 1 HDS-5:

http://s686.photobucket.com/albums/vv222/walleyedreams/?action=view&current=FinickyIceEye.mp4

I know I'll catch more fish using a graph display than I will with a flasher...

Jim Carroll  NPAA #13
 

You don't use the amplitude scope(or whatever its called...i can't remember off hand)?

Even sdxman and espringers use the amplitude.  I think.  I know I could NEVER use a graph without the amplitude scope thing-a-ma-jig.  Just can't get my mind to handle not seeing a fish until it is a bigger blobbed line right next to my jig line and scrolling from right to left.  It just happens too "sudden" or something.


 

 

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it said this is a private album. Can you post a pic on here jim?

Try this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpTDZkIMqnU

W n W - I don't use the amplitude scope on ice or on open water. 

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You flasher boys  ---  your stuck on the flasher thing --- the fastrack or amplitude whatever you want to call it -------- you have to have a flasher running dont ya?

Take from me --- i have both a lowrance and a bird running in my house along with a camera and a worked up german shorthair stealing other peoples fish.   That bird and vex show different worlds but its all in how they work -- but its beutssskkiifffullll. 

Bottom line is you need to get your mind off the VEX.   You need to relax and enjoy fishing --- drink a beer without your eyes glued to that vex buzzing noise and your neck getting all pinched up.  

With the weather is now -- most of the fish now come in and party a bit and then grab your jig or they dont.   Sit back enjoy the screens moving. FISHON!

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Well I probably shouldn't have gotten rid of the Marcum because it has a graph.  All I did is garaunteed I won't win the Rooster Run now.  Maybe I should go out and get one, then I am garaunteed a win...right? 


 

 

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Or maybe I will just chill out at the mouth with everyone else and catch fish.  Were they all using graphs or what?  Heh, heh.


 

 

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By the time u get all your stuff set up i would have moved twice. Hahaha 

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You flasher boys  ---  your stuck on the flasher thing --- the fastrack or amplitude whatever you want to call it -------- you have to have a flasher running dont ya?

Take from me --- i have both a lowrance and a bird running in my house along with a camera and a worked up german shorthair stealing other peoples fish.   That bird and vex show different worlds but its all in how they work -- but its beutssskkiifffullll. 

Bottom line is you need to get your mind off the VEX.   You need to relax and enjoy fishing --- drink a beer without your eyes glued to that vex buzzing noise and your neck getting all pinched up.  

With the weather is now -- most of the fish now come in and party a bit and then grab your jig or they dont.   Sit back enjoy the screens moving. FISHON!

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What do the top ice fishing pros use (on average)? Just curious. I really haven't a clue, but I do have my suspicions.

 

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What do the top ice fishing pros use (on average)? Just curious. I really haven't a clue, but I do have my suspicions.

either a vex fl22 or fl20. or a marcum lx7 more than likely not in graph mode.

this info is based on my saturday and sunday morning fishing show watching hehe

 

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I haven't seen a single "professional" ice fisherman tout a graph. Even the guys sponsored by Marcum use their LX-7 in flasher mode from what I've seen. Never even heard them talk about the graph mode.

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What do the top ice fishing pros use (on average)? Just curious. I really haven't a clue, but I do have my suspicions.

either a vex fl22 or fl20. or a marcum lx7 more than likely not in graph mode.

this info is based on my saturday and sunday morning fishing show watching hehe



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I haven't seen a single "professional" ice fisherman tout a graph. Even the guys sponsored by Marcum use their LX-7 in flasher mode from what I've seen. Never even heard them talk about the graph mode.

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What do the top ice fishing pros use (on average)? Just curious. I really haven't a clue, but I do have my suspicions.

either a vex fl22 or fl20. or a marcum lx7 more than likely not in graph mode.

this info is based on my saturday and sunday morning fishing show watching hehe

 

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 thats cause pros and guides are all of such an age that they were all raised with flashers and they find "change" difficult to accept and adapt to.  the fact that they have a graph and use the flasher mode speaks volumes... that is the most idotic thing i've ever heard.  if you want to use your flasher and don't want to use a graph fine.  but, anyone who paid for a graph and has the ability to use it and then flips their graph to flasher mode obviously shouldn't even have a graph... that is simply stupid.  also, i suspect those marcums aren't as good of graphs as the lowrances considering how much bitching i've heard on this forum by some, the fact that some folks who have em use em in flasher mode and the couple hours i fished with my uncles last winter.  

and moving with your flasher is no quicker than moving with a graph... i don't even turn mine off between moves cause i am usually using the gps map on the unit.  its a matter of picking up the ducer and putting it back down the hole.  if i did turn it off and back on, it saves its setting.  all you have to do is hit the "on" button and wait 5 seconds for it to power up.  blah blah blah... 

although i've said it before and not followed thru... i think i am done trying to explain why one is better than the other.  it seems rather pointless.  like shorty said... i will chill with my graph and you guys can continue to strain your neck and eyes staring at your flasher all day... and ten years from now we can revisit this topic and see how many of you have changed your opinions.  lol.  

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When i mount an HD on my dash i will get the transducer and give it a try.  I bet i still use the flasher during the witching hour

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I could not stand that. I want to see what is going on now not after it already happened. It just seems like wasted space to me.
I will admit the other videos I have seen are better but this one would drive me bonkers

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 jim should've shown a video with the amplitude bar on the right.  thats the real time information.  although, the far right hand side of his screen is only delayed by probably about 1/2 - 1 second from the real time data displayed on the amplitude bar.  why he doesn't use it on the ice i have no idea.  i can understand why he wouldn't use it on soft water cause that small delay doesn't come into play much when you are trolling or jiggin soft water.  but, it certainly matters on the ice.  

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espringers Said:
 jim should've shown a video with the amplitude bar on the right.  thats the real time information.  although, the far right hand side of his screen is only delayed by probably about 1/2 - 1 second from the real time data displayed on the amplitude bar.  why he doesn't use it on the ice i have no idea.  i can understand why he wouldn't use it on soft water cause that small delay doesn't come into play much when you are trolling or jiggin soft water.  but, it certainly matters on the ice.  

I would have zero issue using a graph if it had that amplitude bar and if  there were adjustments that could make it a little bigger/wider

 

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 thats cause pros and guides are all of such an age that they were all raised with flashers and they find "change" difficult to accept and adapt to.
You mean to tell me that every SINGLE pro and ice guide is so stubborn that they refuse to adapt to new electronics that are supposedly better? There are no young guides/pros out there? These guys are the ones who literally earn a living off of fishing, why would they mess around with something that wasn't getting the job done?
  ten years from now we can revisit this topic and see how many of you have changed your opinions.  lol.  
Right, good argument. Let's jump ahead 10 years into the future and see what kinds of things (especially ELECTRONICS) we're using then that we're not using now. HMMM....I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say that many on here were using a VCR 10 years ago to watch movies on a gigantic tube TV. Moot point! Electronics are constantly changing.



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 jim should've shown a video with the amplitude bar on the right.  thats the real time information.  although, the far right hand side of his screen is only delayed by probably about 1/2 - 1 second from the real time data displayed on the amplitude bar.  why he doesn't use it on the ice i have no idea.  i can understand why he wouldn't use it on soft water cause that small delay doesn't come into play much when you are trolling or jiggin soft water.  but, it certainly matters on the ice.  

When I jig with my HDS 10 on soft water all I look at is the amplitude bar.

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I could not stand that. I want to see what is going on now not after it already happened. It just seems like wasted space to me.
I will admit the other videos I have seen are better but this one would drive me bonkers

Has been my point since day one.  But hey, if you look at the pixels you will start to see bubbling.  So at least you know a fish is coming.  You just don't get to see it reacting until it scrolls from the black hole.


 

 

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 pickerel... how is that rotary dial phone, commodore 64 and atari treating you? lol.  just fuc8ing with you.  and i ain't talking about future tech... i am talking about current tech.  but, whatev...keep up the good fight.  

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 jim should've shown a video with the amplitude bar on the right.  thats the real time information.  although, the far right hand side of his screen is only delayed by probably about 1/2 - 1 second from the real time data displayed on the amplitude bar.  why he doesn't use it on the ice i have no idea.  i can understand why he wouldn't use it on soft water cause that small delay doesn't come into play much when you are trolling or jiggin soft water.  but, it certainly matters on the ice.  

I would have zero issue using a graph if it had that amplitude bar and if  there were adjustments that could make it a little bigger/wider

One of the reasons I got rid of the Marcum 6.  Perhaps the 7 would have been better because is bigger screened.  Text was too small as I stand and fish 8 times out of 10 and the vertical (showdown theme) was just a little too small too.  And the zoom had was digital versus optical (maybe I have that backwards) so instead of a bottom zoom I was getting a blown up version of the unzoomed bar.  So things were sort of bigger than I'd like.  In otherwords, not the traditional sliver I was use to seeing with the vex.


 

 

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espringers Said:
 jim should've shown a video with the amplitude bar on the right.  thats the real time information.  although, the far right hand side of his screen is only delayed by probably about 1/2 - 1 second from the real time data displayed on the amplitude bar.  why he doesn't use it on the ice i have no idea.  i can understand why he wouldn't use it on soft water cause that small delay doesn't come into play much when you are trolling or jiggin soft water.  but, it certainly matters on the ice.  

You want to talk stubborn?  Pot meet Kettle.  haha
I think it's bloody interesting you think all the pro's are too old school to use new graphs when they're usually the first that new technology with their sponsorships. 

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At the end of the day, try both methods and pick what you like to use.  I prefer a flasher and that's not what I grew up with.  I used my first flasher 3 years ago and immediatly bought a fl-20.  Best purchased I've made for ice fishing.  If you want to use a 2k dollar graph to have a prettier screen with history of the past 20 seconds, then that's what you should use. 

Hopefully it doesn't get ran over by a jacked up oil workers truck with stacks and silver balls......

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 jim should've shown a video with the amplitude bar on the right.  thats the real time information.  although, the far right hand side of his screen is only delayed by probably about 1/2 - 1 second from the real time data displayed on the amplitude bar.  why he doesn't use it on the ice i have no idea.  i can understand why he wouldn't use it on soft water cause that small delay doesn't come into play much when you are trolling or jiggin soft water.  but, it certainly matters on the ice.  

Hence my entire point on this topic.  In a nutshell, the amplitude bar is much needed.  Since I'd have to buy another transducer, dig the graph all out of my boat, get a battery, worry about getting too rough with it (because I am) and then just using the amplitude bar in the first place I just haven't gotten persuasion from the graph to dictate breaking flasher tradition.  Not to mention, if I get it my way I am going to have bigger devices in the boat than a 5 or a 7 and I don't want to lug around that high price stuff out on the ice.

I tried so I deserve credit on that. 

I think it has been an awesome discussion though!


 

 

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At the end of the day, try both methods and pick what you like to use.  I prefer a flasher and that's not what I grew up with.  I used my first flasher 3 years ago and immediatly bought a fl-20.  Best purchased I've made for ice fishing.  If you want to use a 2k dollar graph to have a prettier screen with history of the past 20 seconds, then that's what you should use. 

My biggest concern with how I cruise across the ice with an ATV or snowmobile.  We are entering the time of year there are some might rough conditions on the ice and I don't want to be banging my boat unit across the ice tundra.  Hopefully I get my wish list toys this year for my boat!  I gotta get it past the Mrs though!


 

 

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I could not stand that. I want to see what is going on now not after it already happened. It just seems like wasted space to me.
I will admit the other videos I have seen are better but this one would drive me bonkers

Has been my point since day one.  But hey, if you look at the pixels you will start to see bubbling.  So at least you know a fish is coming.  You just don't get to see it reacting until it scrolls from the black hole.

There is hardly an lag at all when you are jigging idk where you are getting that idea. I'll just throw out why i went with a graph, for what its worth.
  - Can be used year round, in the boat and on hard water
  - You dont have to purchase a seperate gps/lake map ( the hds comes with lake insight)
  -Your gps/graph is one unit wich has many benefits
  - Watching how the fish is reacting to each jigging style and being able to scroll back and look at what was happening is awesome
  - There are lots of functions and settings you can change to make it exactly how you want it (one downside is you have to really play with it to know what your doing)
  - I believe it is alot easier on your eyes than a flasher
  - Price difference for a top of the line flasher compared to graph is pretty close (no brainer for something you can use year round)
Im sure alot of these points have been brought up but im not reading through 19 pages to find out.

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my graph was 950... not 2K.  and it was bought for a boat.  not the ice.  the fact that i get to use it on the ice is just a bonus... it saves me from buying a $550 flasher w/ 1990s technology that i can only use 2-3 months out of the year.  and i believe an elite series lowrance actually costs less than the new flashers.  and i bet you can get a used lowrance or pull one off your boat and use it for a fraction of the price of either.  so, unless you are using a new HD series lowrance, if it gets run over by an oil field worker with big stacks, you are out no more money than the guy whose flasher got run over by the same.  

and i ain't stubbornly defending my purchase... i've used them ever since the first time i saw what they could do... and i actually own a flasher.  in fact, i've had one since i "borrowed" my dads almost 20 years ago now... thanks dad!  that thing went thru hell and back (bottom of the lake and taken apart into 50 pieces by a wanna be vex tech... me) before it got stolen and i replaced it with another used one that is now probably 15-20 years old.  before that, my dad used an old sitex (sp?) non color flasher with a soft water ducer mounted on a t-bar.  short of some zoom options, better target separation and colors, the technology in a flasher hasn't changed since that sitex that we were using 25-30 years ago.  

a flasher can not do what a graph does.  period.

i obviously lied when i said i was done with this discussion... tis a slow day at work.  

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 tim, don't you already have a lowrance in your boat?  what model?  an ice ducer is something like $100 and the thing can be mounted on your vex box (assuming you have one laying around).  that is a fraction of what you must've paid for your new marcum or whatever you paid for the new flasher you traded it in on.  let me know when you decide to upgrade on the boat... if its the right model, i'd buy it from you and leave my hds-7 on my boat.  cause i do think there is merit to the argument that potentially breaking a $950 machine is a bit more concerning that breaking a $500 flasher.  so, i wouldn't mind having a different graph for ice fishing... and using it as a 2nd unit on my boat.  

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 I use my flasher on my bowmount electric and love it so it gets used year round.  I also use my vexi in my little boat too.  That son of a bitch goes with me everywhere and never fails!

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There is no "lag" that your eye can see or brain can process in an HDS graph when it's set up correctly for ice fishing.   You need to run it in manual mode, not automatic, and bump the ping speed up.  I think I had the chart speed set here at 3X, but you can bump it up to 8X if you want a super fast scroll speed for some reason.

Stop this video at the instant you hear the hook set (at about 1:17)   If you look closely on the edge, you will see the fish coming towards the top. 

Personally, I feel the amplitude scope is a complete waste of screen space, but I did recommend to Lowrance that they make it adjustable in width for those guys who want to use it.  When running the graph in Auto Mode on open water and jigging it might be relevant.

I doubt many of the guys commenting on this thread have run a correctly set up graph style display on ice, but I'm quite certain most of you will in the future.  I've used flasher displays for 1000's of hours, and I'm done with them.  The bottom line is I can catch more fish with a graph. 

I do wish Lowrance would get really serious about developing a product that was 100% optimized for ice fishing.  I just don't think that Lowrance believes the market is big enough.  So we see other companies trying to innovate product in this area with mixed results.

Interesting discussion, obviously there is no universal solution for everyone, and the most important thing in the end is that we are able to go fishing.

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At the end of the day, try both methods and pick what you like to use.  I prefer a flasher and that's not what I grew up with.  I used my first flasher 3 years ago and immediatly bought a fl-20.  Best purchased I've made for ice fishing.  If you want to use a 2k dollar graph to have a prettier screen with history of the past 20 seconds, then that's what you should use. 

My biggest concern with how I cruise across the ice with an ATV or snowmobile.  We are entering the time of year there are some might rough conditions on the ice and I don't want to be banging my boat unit across the ice tundra.  Hopefully I get my wish list toys this year for my boat!  I gotta get it past the Mrs though!

you mean like when your almost late to wiegh in and have the four wheeler pinned for 4.5 miles jumping and plowing hard snow drifts.  the graph will hadle that i know.

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There is no "lag" that your eye can see or brain can process in an HDS graph when it's set up correctly for ice fishing.   You need to run it in manual mode, not automatic, and bump the ping speed up.  I think I had the chart speed set here at 3X, but you can bump it up to 8X if you want a super fast scroll speed for some reason.

Stop this video at the instant you hear the hook set (at about 1:17)   If you look closely on the edge, you will see the fish coming towards the top. 

Personally, I feel the amplitude scope is a complete waste of screen space, but I did recommend to Lowrance that they make it adjustable in width for those guys who want to use it.  When running the graph in Auto Mode on open water and jigging it might be relevant.

I doubt many of the guys commenting on this thread have run a correctly set up graph style display on ice, but I'm quite certain most of you will in the future.  I've used flasher displays for 1000's of hours, and I'm done with them.  The bottom line is I can catch more fish with a graph. 

I do wish Lowrance would get really serious about developing a product that was 100% optimized for ice fishing.  I just don't think that Lowrance believes the market is big enough.  So we see other companies trying to innovate product in this area with mixed results.

Interesting discussion, obviously there is no universal solution for everyone, and the most important thing in the end is that we are able to go fishing.

Jim Carroll  NPAA #13

I will agree with that statement on open water.  I find it to be false for ice fishing.  I could go as far as equally effective, but that's it.

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Yes just like that. But not willing to risk that same luck over and over.  

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At the end of the day, try both methods and pick what you like to use.  I prefer a flasher and that's not what I grew up with.  I used my first flasher 3 years ago and immediatly bought a fl-20.  Best purchased I've made for ice fishing.  If you want to use a 2k dollar graph to have a prettier screen with history of the past 20 seconds, then that's what you should use. 

My biggest concern with how I cruise across the ice with an ATV or snowmobile.  We are entering the time of year there are some might rough conditions on the ice and I don't want to be banging my boat unit across the ice tundra.  Hopefully I get my wish list toys this year for my boat!  I gotta get it past the Mrs though!

you mean like when your almost late to wiegh in and have the four wheeler pinned for 4.5 miles jumping and plowing hard snow drifts.  the graph will hadle that i know.


 

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
Yes just like that. But not willing to risk that same luck over and over.  

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Tim Sandstrom Said:

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At the end of the day, try both methods and pick what you like to use.  I prefer a flasher and that's not what I grew up with.  I used my first flasher 3 years ago and immediatly bought a fl-20.  Best purchased I've made for ice fishing.  If you want to use a 2k dollar graph to have a prettier screen with history of the past 20 seconds, then that's what you should use. 

My biggest concern with how I cruise across the ice with an ATV or snowmobile.  We are entering the time of year there are some might rough conditions on the ice and I don't want to be banging my boat unit across the ice tundra.  Hopefully I get my wish list toys this year for my boat!  I gotta get it past the Mrs though!

you mean like when your almost late to wiegh in and have the four wheeler pinned for 4.5 miles jumping and plowing hard snow drifts.  the graph will hadle that i know.

it was smoother than hiting 3 footers in the summer on 50 mile run in a ranger

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Yes just like that. But not willing to risk that same luck over and over.  

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Tim Sandstrom Said:

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At the end of the day, try both methods and pick what you like to use.  I prefer a flasher and that's not what I grew up with.  I used my first flasher 3 years ago and immediatly bought a fl-20.  Best purchased I've made for ice fishing.  If you want to use a 2k dollar graph to have a prettier screen with history of the past 20 seconds, then that's what you should use. 

My biggest concern with how I cruise across the ice with an ATV or snowmobile.  We are entering the time of year there are some might rough conditions on the ice and I don't want to be banging my boat unit across the ice tundra.  Hopefully I get my wish list toys this year for my boat!  I gotta get it past the Mrs though!

you mean like when your almost late to wiegh in and have the four wheeler pinned for 4.5 miles jumping and plowing hard snow drifts.  the graph will hadle that i know.

What's the difference between that and having it pinned in a 2-4 foot chop in the boat?  Heck i usually have more protection on the ice... it's either in my carrying case with a bunch of spare gloves or secured in a 5 gal bucket.


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 I have a gray scale x15 I think and a lcx25. I just leave my boat stuff in the boat and my ice stuff in the ice stuff.



 

 

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What's the difference between that and having it pinned in a 2-4 foot chop in the boat?  Heck i usually have more protection on the ice... it's either in my carrying case with a bunch of spare gloves or secured in a 5 gal bucket.

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it was smoother than hiting 3 footers in the summer on 50 mile run in a ranger

Ha, you guys need to run a fiberglass boat I guess!

But seriously, no way in hell is it smoother than the roughest water on earth than sitting in a sled in tow going across rough ice.  How you guys even think that's fair to say?  You don't mount your electronics to your boat?

Actually, it is much more safe for me now because I modified my ice house and things cannot slide around or absorb big time shock like they use to.  But still, I fish in 30 to -30 degree weather.  If my hands are cold and you bang your knuckle on something it down right hurts much more than if you bang your knuckles when it is 70 degrees out.

The whole reason I built my portable the way I did was to keep things from sliding all over hell.  Before I modified my ice house I had buckets, I had milk crates, I had rubber tarp straps, I had bungie straps, etc, etc.  I had it all nice pretty and secure but after just a 100 yards it would be a complete mess moving all over heck and banging into each other.  That shock and vibration on things is nasty.

Unless I would mount my graph or have it stored on the 4 wheeler rack or the snowmobile rack it will always be more rough going across ice than open water.  Not even a comparison.

You guys let your augers get beat the hell around too?  I use to but got sick of busted up stuff and finally bought racks to store it on the ATV or snowmobile rack.


 

 

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There is no "lag" that your eye can see or brain can process in an HDS graph when it's set up correctly for ice fishing.   You need to run it in manual mode, not automatic, and bump the ping speed up.  I think I had the chart speed set here at 3X, but you can bump it up to 8X if you want a super fast scroll speed for some reason.

Stop this video at the instant you hear the hook set (at about 1:17)   If you look closely on the edge, you will see the fish coming towards the top. 

Personally, I feel the amplitude scope is a complete waste of screen space, but I did recommend to Lowrance that they make it adjustable in width for those guys who want to use it.  When running the graph in Auto Mode on open water and jigging it might be relevant.

I doubt many of the guys commenting on this thread have run a correctly set up graph style display on ice, but I'm quite certain most of you will in the future.  I've used flasher displays for 1000's of hours, and I'm done with them.  The bottom line is I can catch more fish with a graph. 

I do wish Lowrance would get really serious about developing a product that was 100% optimized for ice fishing.  I just don't think that Lowrance believes the market is big enough.  So we see other companies trying to innovate product in this area with mixed results.

Interesting discussion, obviously there is no universal solution for everyone, and the most important thing in the end is that we are able to go fishing.

Jim Carroll  NPAA #13

I will agree with that statement on open water.  I find it to be false for ice fishing.  I could go as far as equally effective, but that's it.

Stop torturing Jim. His sonar sponsor only makes graphs. You think he WANTs to take this extreme position?

 

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I usually try and secure all my stuff and keep my rods and electronics away from the heavy stuff.  Which usually means its on the 4 wheeler or on my back.  It would definately be rougher if you just throw it loose in the sled.  I think thats just common sense.


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Jim Carroll Said:
There is no "lag" that your eye can see or brain can process in an HDS graph when it's set up correctly for ice fishing.   You need to run it in manual mode, not automatic, and bump the ping speed up.  I think I had the chart speed set here at 3X, but you can bump it up to 8X if you want a super fast scroll speed for some reason.

Stop this video at the instant you hear the hook set (at about 1:17)   If you look closely on the edge, you will see the fish coming towards the top. 

Personally, I feel the amplitude scope is a complete waste of screen space, but I did recommend to Lowrance that they make it adjustable in width for those guys who want to use it.  When running the graph in Auto Mode on open water and jigging it might be relevant.

I doubt many of the guys commenting on this thread have run a correctly set up graph style display on ice, but I'm quite certain most of you will in the future.  I've used flasher displays for 1000's of hours, and I'm done with them.  The bottom line is I can catch more fish with a graph. 

I do wish Lowrance would get really serious about developing a product that was 100% optimized for ice fishing.  I just don't think that Lowrance believes the market is big enough.  So we see other companies trying to innovate product in this area with mixed results.

Interesting discussion, obviously there is no universal solution for everyone, and the most important thing in the end is that we are able to go fishing.

Jim Carroll  NPAA #13

Jim,

I just don't see how you think that is "real-time".  The graph is relying on it already happening before it draws it.  I mean, I sat there staring at the black hole waiting for the graph to draw but over further to my right I could see the showdown theme telling me instantly the fish is moving up to my jig or the colors indicated it was leaving my cone.

Maybe a good analogy is a movie where someone is flat lined.  People gather around staring intensly at the heart rate monitor hoping for the next "beep" and then whalla, after the heart started pumping you see a little spike in the flat line.  I don't know, maybe that analogy failed but that is what it felt like for me when I was jigging.

I will watch your videos at home but unless it is drastically different than what I got out of the Marcum then I just don't see that value in the graph.

I will give it to espringers, sdx and others that use it as an all year round device. That makes sense but out of all of them it sounds like they use the showdown theme thingy with the graph to show them how they jigged.  I guess they have short memories on how they jigged.  Ha...just teasin guys. 


 

 

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I usually try and secure all my stuff and keep my rods and electronics away from the heavy stuff.  Which usually means its on the 4 wheeler or on my back.  It would definately be rougher if you just throw it loose in the sled.  I think thats just common sense.

Ha, yeah I know but that is why I was giving you guys a little grief...I wasn't sensing the common sense.  I guess I wasn't clear that I was referring to hauling things around via tow versus on a 4 wheeler or pulling a trailer with leaf springs so I'll give you guys a pass and admit my fault for assuming versus stating. 

Sure, if you strap all that around on the wheeler then I can say that is plenty safe.  Mine sits empty expect for auger and the handheld GPS mounted to the handle bars.  That way can ride doubles more comfortably.  I suppose a bigger GPS screen might be nice in some cases but I know where I am headed and like to have the handheld GPS in my coat pocket so can be lighter afoot and drill holes accordingly. 

My rods are stored in the front of my house safe from anything breaking them other than human error.


 

 

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Can you tell size and species of fish with the graphs?  You can to an extent with the vexilar flashers.  I mean you can tell how a northern comes in vs a perch or a small walleye vs a giant walleye.  White bass show up differently on the vex to and you can tell when they are around.

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