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KurtR Said:
graphs are the best

LOL!

 

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pretty amazing stuff i must say! How does the sonar (correct term?) pick up contaminants? are they solid? how do you know if it isnt a big ass rock? im like a sponge for cool stuff like this

I was just ribbin you a bit with the old man stuff.

 

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Well,

on a molecular level each type of contaminant is comprised of different levels of molecules that ping different frequencies differently.

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pretty amazing stuff i must say! How does the sonar (correct term?) pick up contaminants? are they solid? how do you know if it isnt a big ass rock? im like a sponge for cool stuff like this

I was just ribbin you a bit with the old man stuff.

It's laser technology son. And if'n you don't know what LASER stands for you better to commence to studying it, cuz there will be a test after the lyceum.

Come on over for a field trip. I'll write an excuse for your employer. In fact we're training a new group next week. Two fellers from MI, two from CA, and two from God knows where.

Ha ha. I haven't heard/seen the word lyceum since my last one in the gym in Underwood ND in maybe 1974 or so. Moved off to the big city (Bismarck) in 1975.

 

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Enslow Said:

Well,

on a molecular level each type of contaminant is comprised of different levels of molecules that ping different frequencies differently.

wow...

And who are we that are so wise in the ways of laser spectroscopy?



 

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guywhofishes Said:

Wags86 Said:

pretty amazing stuff i must say! How does the sonar (correct term?) pick up contaminants? are they solid? how do you know if it isnt a big ass rock? im like a sponge for cool stuff like this

I was just ribbin you a bit with the old man stuff.

It's laser technology son. And if'n you don't know what LASER stands for you better to commence to studying it, cuz there will be a test after the lyceum.

Come on over for a field trip. I'll write an excuse for your employer. In fact we're training a new group next week. Two fellers from MI, two from CA, and two from God knows where.

Ha ha. I haven't heard/seen the word lyceum since my last one in the gym in Underwood ND in maybe 1974 or so. Moved off to the big city (Bismarck) in 1975.

your from underwood? i have family there

Ive been looking at your website. pretty neat - more info and acronyms than my brain can take on a friday afternoon. We'll have to discuss this further at a different time

 

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Hello all.  I rigged up a Lowrance HDS 7 for ice fishing/portable use for little boat.  I like the fact I can pull all my coordinates from my HDS 10 and be able to use my insight contour chip in the winter/portable to other boat(I think the GPS will be sweet)  Anyway, I went fishing on Sat with it and used the graph and messed with ping speed scroll speed, amplitude bar, etc..  It worked just fine for jigging.  I still don't see it as any better than a flasher, though.  When you turn it on, you have to wait for it to load, which kinda sucks when a flasher is immediate.  The GPS will be nice.  I will use it in the big house on my bobber rod and jig with my FL-18 I think.  Also a little nervous when you got about a grand into the thing. 

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 I just read almost this whole thing. Then I called Scheels and bought a Vex pro pac 20. Can't wait to get it on the ice. My 15 plus FL 8 is getting tough on my eyes but has worked well.

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 What brand of TP do you guys use? Or should I start another thread? 

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 What brand of TP do you guys use? Or should I start another thread? 

I use angel soft or something like that. Vexilar, vexilar, vexilar

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2 ply...... graphs rule

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I sure wish my FL-18 showed the history of the fish.

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it is handy also where to cross the presure ridge in a blizzard is usefull or going to waypoints from the summer or winter is cool

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I sure wish my FL-18 showed the history of the fish.

The fish are history when they show up on my FL-22. They go into the frying pan

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I sure wish my FL-18 showed the history of the fish.

The fish are history when they show up on my FL-22. They go into the frying pan

Do you ever eat fish heads?

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love my vex, buddy has a new Bird flasher and is pretty sweet too. Also saw Marcum has a new flasher out that looked pretty sweet. Pretty hard to beat a vexilar!

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i will give another example of why that history matters... sitting in the ice house again this weekend.  look at the hds after grabbing a beer and see the clear mark of a fish scolling off the screen and the lure no longer showing up.  think wtf?  grab the rod and instantly set the hook to reel up a 5 pound slimer.  without that history, i would've guessed my active minnow just swam out of the cone for second cause i was in rather shallow water.  with the history, i knew exactly why the lure wasn't on the screen anymore... it had been engulfed by something and the fish itself had swam out of the cone.  

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espringers Said:
i will give another example of why that history matters... sitting in the ice house again this weekend.  look at the hds after grabbing a beer and see the clear mark of a fish scolling off the screen and the lure no longer showing up.  think wtf?  grab the rod and instantly set the hook to reel up a 5 pound slimer.  without that history, i would've guessed my active minnow just swam out of the cone for second cause i was in rather shallow water.  with the history, i knew exactly why the lure wasn't on the screen anymore... it had been engulfed by something and the fish itself had swam out of the cone.  

your bobber under the ice or your rod getting pulled out of your hand didnt tell you a fish grabbed your bait?

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Enslow Said:

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I sure wish my FL-18 showed the history of the fish.

The fish are history when they show up on my FL-22. They go into the frying pan

Do you ever eat fish heads?

just right out of the water, once frozen they dont taste as good

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 nope... no bobber.  rod in a holder.  it probably bounced a couple times when it first got hit.  but, i am guessing the reason it wasn't bent over when i looked at it was that the fish had swam up and/or sideways leaving slack after the initial strike.  moral of the story... anyone who thinks they aren't missing "fish" or "marks" or even bites because they swear they never take their eyes off their flasher is kidding themselves and will never know any better until they start using a graph with regularity.  and there is no arguing with that... ask anyone who swears by their graph and they will tell you its the main benefit... not having to stare at the screen 100% of the time and being able to see the things you missed.  

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I'd be all for the history if I had more life to real-time which is far superior in need than the history.

Yeah, I know, the first few pixels give you the real-time.  The amplitude gives you a little more heads up.  But in the end, it just isn't enough for dis guy.

Happily caught fish with the Bird the last few outings.  Well, on the outings we found fish.  Hard to mark em when they aren't there.  In fairness, I guess we did but they were catfish, little tiny walleyes and/or smelt.


 

 

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 i guess i realize some units don't have the amplitude bar.  but, i think most do these days.. or at least something similar.  anyway... for those still wondering how this works, the real time or flasher data is on the far right hand side of the screen.  to be very clear... everything to the right of that line where you see the depth numbers 2,4,6, 8, etc... is my amplitude bar and it is as real time as any flasher on the market today.  the rest of the screen is a history of the flasher data from x seconds ago depending on where it is on the screen.  my unit shows a history of something like 30 seconds.  so that jigging motion you see about to leave the screen was when the rod was picked up roughly 30 seconds ago.  

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And here is why the amplitude scope isn't necessary when a Lowrance HDS is set up properly for ice fishing...behold the free-falling 1/4oz spoon.

But you can use it if you like...

Just sticking to the topic "The End All Discussion On Ice Sonar / Flashers" with FACTS

Jim Carroll  NPAA #13

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 technically jim, isn't that little patch you have to the right of your depth numbers just a smaller version of the "amplitude bar"?  does the same thing only takes up a bit less room?  frankly, i don't think they are really necessary either.  but, since the anti crowd keeps getting so hung up on "real time" data, i figured it would help the case to give them as big a picture of that as possible.  this guy fully realizes that the far right hand side of the graph is your real time data and once you learn to read it as such, the fact that it is only a few pixels or a second long doesn't really matter much.  

youtube is taking a while to upload my video... 

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Oh this is all fun and games too but I don't want to be hung for not stating facts.  I copied and pasted right out of the Lowrance manuals.  Without amplitude, no real-time.

And yes, espringers, what Jim pasted is exactly the same thing as an amplitude bar.  How he has that set up now is how I had my Vex Edge setup while in the open water.  I liked the amplitude bar to give me a heads up of the changing structure.  Otherwise, I had no hope in heck to know what was about to change because the graph minus the 1/32 of the screen didn't give anything other than what had already happened.  Without it, I would be cussing I didn't turn out sooner and avoid weeded up cranks.

I could react more better with the amplitude.

For this reason, I enjoy flasher technology much more for ice fishing because it provides a much better vertical representation of real-time.  Minus the cluttered history lines gobbled on the screen.  When I used the marcum and a fish was down there my goodness the screen could get messy!  Guess that is why I gravitated to the showdown theme which is a superior equivalant to the amplitude bar.


 

 

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 I guess I don't see the point of the history. No I don't look at my flasher 100% of the time either. Ill just stick with my vex. If a fish grabs my bait I'm sure I could tell without a graph. But that's just me. 

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 over the course of 8 hours, whether in an ice house, fishing from your truck or in your pop up, i can guarantee you i would be able to point to where you missed a mark on average once every hour or 2... one a busy day with lots of fish present when you are baiting lines for kids, cooking sausage, grabbing a beer, taking a leak, etc... you can't imagine what you would miss if you are required to be watching your screen 100% of the time.  blah, blah, blah, bliggetty blah... i realize its past the point of converting any hard core flasher guys.  my rants are meant more for the folks who don't own one, are considering buying one or already have a boat unit and only need a carrying case and a transducer to make a cheap switch.  so, no need to take offense flasher guys.  

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espringers Said:
 technically jim, isn't that little patch you have to the right of your depth numbers just a smaller version of the "amplitude bar"?  youtube is taking a while to upload my video... 

Yes, that is the Amplitude Scope on a Gen1 HDS.  I told them to make it wider, and I see it is on your Gen 2.

The point I was making is the chart exactly mirrors the A-Scope.  Look at the leading pixel on the bottom of the A-Scope "blob".  There is NO DELAY that your eye can see or brain can process when using this unit for ice fishing. 

That was my basic point all along, and that everyone I know who has tried one of these units on ice for a day (set up properly) has really liked what it can do.  Most of us will be using graphs sooner than some of you might think.

Jim Carroll  NPAA #13

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 If I owned a boat I cou;ld be convinced to go with a graph. I went with a Vex because my last one has seen many years of use and still works well. Durability is a big factor for me as well as ease of use. I think a graph would be fun  after I got used to it.

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 I understand what Tim is saying.  I like using the graph mode on my LX7 but for pure fishing I still gravitate to the showdown theme.  With it zoomed in to the bottom it seems like you can see what's going on better.  So I have mine set-up with both screens...best of both worlds?  I still have 20-30 seconds of history, can see the entire water column, plus the advantages of the digital depth and being zoomed in anywhere in the water column I want to be.


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beminoid31 Said:
 I guess I don't see the point of the history. No I don't look at my flasher 100% of the time either. Ill just stick with my vex. If a fish grabs my bait I'm sure I could tell without a graph. But that's just me. 

I have even caught fish on my dead sticks with a bobber under for who knows how long.

I would hate to fish without my vexilar, but have had plenty of limits before I had one.

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 I agree John but staring at that spinning wheel keeps me on the ice a lot longer!

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 I guess I don't see the point of the history. No I don't look at my flasher 100% of the time either. Ill just stick with my I avex. If a fish grabs my bait I'm sure I could tell without a graph. But that's just me. 

I have even caught fish on my dead sticks with a bobber under for who knows how long.

I would hate to fish without my vexilar, but have had plenty of limits before I had one.

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graphs rule...... the hard water

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