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Tim....marcum just today released an update for the lx6 that adds more adjustment for gain/sensitivity that you may want to check out. Updates are easy to apply as a usb 2.0 cable is used on most cell phones now so ya probably have one. It is worth a shot to see if you like it

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Guiys ---- we are going to END IT ALL HERE

UNO --- we know that alot of you grew up with flashers.   I grew up with them too --- ie the old green box.    If flashers are the ticket --- then why dont you have them on your boat today???

DOS - Active matrix --- what we have in computer monitors -- that is what lorwance and the birds are using on the screens --- they are tft -- super fast response time.   I see the same thing you see on the flasher at the same time.

TRES -- flashers have a 9 degree cone --- and have the edge in the deep water.  I dont fish that deep and like my 20.  Does anybody know if you can get a 9 for a lorwance?

BOTTOM LINE --- it comes down to being stubborn for the vex guys and the graph guys are just saying we like the advancement.    Tim --- your best bet is to buy a new graph for that boat and take the old one and start ice fishing.    What better excuse to put on a graph on da boat.    Get ready for this summer when i come up the the BIG SAK and show you alls up.

GNITE --- Short

Stay thirsty my friends

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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
Guiys ---- we are going to END IT ALL HERE

UNO --- we know that alot of you grew up with flashers.   I grew up with them too --- ie the old green box.    If flashers are the ticket --- then why dont you have them on your boat today???

DOS - Active matrix --- what we have in computer monitors -- that is what lorwance and the birds are using on the screens --- they are tft -- super fast response time.   I see the same thing you see on the flasher at the same time.

TRES -- flashers have a 9 degree cone --- and have the edge in the deep water.  I dont fish that deep and like my 20.  Does anybody know if you can get a 9 for a lorwance?

BOTTOM LINE --- it comes down to being stubborn for the vex guys and the graph guys are just saying we like the advancement.    Tim --- your best bet is to buy a new graph for that boat and take the old one and start ice fishing.    What better excuse to put on a graph on da boat.    Get ready for this summer when i come up the the BIG SAK and show you alls up.

GNITE --- Short

Wrong.  There will always be a place for a flasher.  I would like to say different, but that wouldn't be the truth.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."

"The constitution only gives people the right to pursue hapiness.  You have to catch it yourself."

"Well done is better than well said."

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

All by:  Benjamin Franklin.

"The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the bigger the problem, the longer the trip should be."

Author: John Gierach

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BTW, my old man was using a graph with the ping speed cranked up way before the Vexilar made a charge(late 80's).  It worked just fine, just like today.  Just more buttons to press and adjustments to make than a flasher.  Once again, give me whatever, it will help.  There is no clear winner here, however. 

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."

"The constitution only gives people the right to pursue hapiness.  You have to catch it yourself."

"Well done is better than well said."

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

All by:  Benjamin Franklin.

"The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the bigger the problem, the longer the trip should be."

Author: John Gierach

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Stay thirsty my friends

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I think one of the graph makers should introduce at least one real knob, user programmable to control any function, like HDS bezel buttons. Quick/easy, like only a knob can function.

Or brain control.

 

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Captain Ahab Said:

SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
Guiys ---- we are going to END IT ALL HERE

UNO --- we know that alot of you grew up with flashers.   I grew up with them too --- ie the old green box.    If flashers are the ticket --- then why dont you have them on your boat today???

DOS - Active matrix --- what we have in computer monitors -- that is what lorwance and the birds are using on the screens --- they are tft -- super fast response time.   I see the same thing you see on the flasher at the same time.

TRES -- flashers have a 9 degree cone --- and have the edge in the deep water.  I dont fish that deep and like my 20.  Does anybody know if you can get a 9 for a lorwance?

BOTTOM LINE --- it comes down to being stubborn for the vex guys and the graph guys are just saying we like the advancement.    Tim --- your best bet is to buy a new graph for that boat and take the old one and start ice fishing.    What better excuse to put on a graph on da boat.    Get ready for this summer when i come up the the BIG SAK and show you alls up.

GNITE --- Short

Wrong.  There will always be a place for a flasher.  I would like to say different, but that wouldn't be the truth.

If I could jig under a flasher in my boat 24/7 you can bet your *** it would be there.  I jig under my graph when it permits.  Soft water is a moving target...i.e.: use a shot gun(graph).  Hard water is a stationary target...i.e.:  sniper rifle(flasher). 

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"Diligence is the mother of good luck."

"The constitution only gives people the right to pursue hapiness.  You have to catch it yourself."

"Well done is better than well said."

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

All by:  Benjamin Franklin.

"The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the bigger the problem, the longer the trip should be."

Author: John Gierach

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Exactly Ahab. In fact I take my flasher out on Big Stone etc. for the fall perch bite under the boat with jigs.

 

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I guess i fish way to shallow of water during the winter vs. you guys.   What what i do with a flasher.    I have my 2D on and i see one coming in from the side and my cam picks them up at the same time.   $hit if i had a 9 degree on the fish would need to be eating my jig before its going to show on the vex

  • 20 degrees - 0.35 or roughly 1/3 of depth ==== 15fow--5 foot coverage -8fow(the depth i have been pulling perch out---HOBART!!!!) - 2.5 feet.
  • VEX 9 degree -- 15 fow-- 2.5 foot --- 8 fow - 1foot        its late - but i think i have my math down.    HOBART RULES 

Stay thirsty my friends

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 Short,

That is why people invented the dual and tri beam. Works perfect for differing situations. 

You should have fished darling when it was hot and heavy and very weedy. About 8 foot of water or less but with narrower cone you didn't pick up all the weeds. Could at least see your jig and the fish instead wait and watch fish bubbling to tell you anything happened with the 20. 

So not just a deepwater application. The 8 or 9 degree that is. 


 

 

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Thanks. I will check that out and give her one more try.  

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Tim....marcum just today released an update for the lx6 that adds more adjustment for gain/sensitivity that you may want to check out. Updates are easy to apply as a usb 2.0 cable is used on most cell phones now so ya probably have one. It is worth a shot to see if you like it


 

 

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Boat point invalid. Stationary fishing vs mobile fishing. I take my vex with in the spring when I verticle jig.

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 Short,

That is why people invented the dual and tri beam. Works perfect for differing situations. 

You should have fished darling when it was hot and heavy and very weedy. About 8 foot of water or less but with narrower cone you didn't pick up all the weeds. Could at least see your jig and the fish instead wait and watch fish bubbling to tell you anything happened with the 20. 

So not just a deepwater application. The 8 or 9 degree that is. 

Tri-Beam= 8 degree or 12 degree or 19 degree.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."

"The constitution only gives people the right to pursue hapiness.  You have to catch it yourself."

"Well done is better than well said."

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

All by:  Benjamin Franklin.

"The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the bigger the problem, the longer the trip should be."

Author: John Gierach

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 Short,

I am getting a new graph for boat but the old one will go to the front or for sale. Not a grapher fan while ice fishing. Just see more use in the flasher and showdown theme. Not to mention, the 8 or 9 is a must. 


 

 

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I believe sd said it best it comes down to personal preference. This past weekend I was in mn at a little lake that has it all weeds wood rock hard soft bottom and full of lm and eyes. Add to that my kids cam and hit lowrance signal four jigs and a floating half dead minnow. I still had know problem seeing my jig and when a fish moved in on it. Sure it would of been nice to have a 9 degree cone. But it was also nice to have both the 20 and 60 on as it adds flavor to the picture. Bottom line is u save 5 bills on the vex so u can justify the 1198 for the boat. End of story

Stay thirsty my friends

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As to the showdown. Both mine and the kids have a setting that looks like the showdown. I am sure your "summer time graph does to". Tell me the difference?

Stay thirsty my friends

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 There probably really isn't a difference other than that is marcum's seemingly newest bread and butter. 

5 bills?  More like 6 bills if you go top end stuff. It is spendy but I am a guy that isn't going to log around a monster lowrance unit on the ice. I don't currently have smaller used units either. But still I like just leaving everything sit in the boat. 

Gonna give marcum one more good attempt after update.


 

 

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could always mount that lx6 to the front of your boat too tim

 

 "I get what you're saying:  Like a sausage replica featuring a Polander holding a sacred illumination device." 

 

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 Yeah. Thinking it would be nicer to have in middle of boat just do I don't get the 'how deep is it' question all the time. Ha. 


 

 

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HERE IS THE END ALL:

I just emailed my friend Holst --- and they do make a high speed tranducer along with the ice ducer for the LX7   --- and it does 8 degrees ON THE CONE.  It is a graph that can go on a boat or on the ice.  

THE END

FINITO!!!!

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 Well yeah always knew marcum had open water ducer. 

But in the end I am taking her back and getting the hummingbird. Used it last night (without update). Just like a more simple approach since I am not a grapher. Not saying marcum isn't good. Just overkill and could use a couple tweaks. I suppose why they have updates. 


 

 

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Pretty please?

 

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Haha good one guy

 

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will say the  elite 5 is the number one reason for the 2nd place finish in the mobridge tourney this week end.  would have never found where we were fishing with just a flasher.  using the navioncs to find the edge and the gps on a 4.5 mile run in the blizzard was important.

 Adn

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will say the  elite 5 is the number one reason for the 2nd place finish in the mobridge tourney this week end.  would have never found where we were fishing with just a flasher.  using the navioncs to find the edge and the gps on a 4.5 mile run in the blizzard was important.

Yep. Same here!

I have to laugh that the guys next to us with there vex's where complaining about the dead zone along the drop off.  Meanwhile, we had the bigger cone angle and could see 'em coming in. A few adjustments with the sensitivity and color line and we were golden. Out fished them big time as well.

Haters are gonna hate on the graphs. Let 'em hate. LOL. Great job yesterday Kurt. 

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Great thread with a ton of information......

I have a Humminbird 777c2 that I rigged up a floater for my boat transducer a couple years ago and was going to use it "just once" and then order the ice ducer,   Well  I used it again,  and again and  still using it .      I don't put a lot of cash into my fishing toys , It is to  the point now where it is easy not to order the ice ducer if what I have is working. Am I just having a streak of good luck ? Or is the summer transducer just as rugged as the winter one ? If I need one I might as well order now before it leaves me stranded , Then I will end up having to buy two of them.

 

 

 

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KurtR Said:
will say the  elite 5 is the number one reason for the 2nd place finish in the mobridge tourney this week end.  would have never found where we were fishing with just a flasher.  using the navioncs to find the edge and the gps on a 4.5 mile run in the blizzard was important.

Yep. Same here!

I have to laugh that the guys next to us with there vex's where complaining about the dead zone along the drop off.  Meanwhile, we had the bigger cone angle and could see 'em coming in. A few adjustments with the sensitivity and color line and we were golden. Out fished them big time as well.

Haters are gonna hate on the graphs. Let 'em hate. LOL. Great job yesterday Kurt. 

thanks it was a hard day of fishing that weather really slowed the bite compared to thurs and fri.

 Adn

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 So now a bigger cone angle is better on drop-offs cuz graphs magically cure that with their superior tweaking capability? It's getting deep in here!

 

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Yeah science or physics or whatever the heck it is...maybe mathematics isn't on their side. It is blatant obvious with cone versus structure. You guys going to make me write lowrance to describe cone angle?  And when their answer is not like yours are you going to continue to say you are smarter than their engineers and computer mathematic gurus? 

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 So now a bigger cone angle is better on drop-offs cuz graphs magically cure that with their superior tweaking capability? It's getting deep in here!


 

 

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Hell, you guys have such beautiful contours from high def survey and LIDAR that GpS should put you within 10 feet of where you want and a couple popped holes and depth check and should be golden. I envy your contours down south.  


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will say the  elite 5 is the number one reason for the 2nd place finish in the mobridge tourney this week end.  would have never found where we were fishing with just a flasher.  using the navioncs to find the edge and the gps on a 4.5 mile run in the blizzard was important.

Congrats though. Gotta love it when everything comes together. 


 

 

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