epa (uncle) in charge in wyoming...

where are the personal property rights... think you own your own land??? we are just all renters here... 

 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/14/wyoming-welder-faces-fine-for...

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Then Dwight what is wrong with a conservation group owning land? If you do not want part of it or want it for someone else, why should that group be denied the same right of ownership you or others have? Simple question!
 

Why don't you go to the Attorney Generals Office and ask Wayne why an incorporated non-profit cannot own land. Ask him for an opinion.

When he gives you the answer, even if it isn't what you want to hear, will you accept it?

Ron, is a conservation group somehow different in your mind then an incorporated non-profit?

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NO I want you and gabe to step up to the plate and stop hiding!!! GET IT! YOU guys like to toss the crap but run and hide when you have to be in the sunshine with your views exposed !

So grow a pair and tell us Dwight or accept that I am dead on with the greed factor! Not one acre not one thin dime ! Is that the right words?

Come on Dwight!!! Stop hiding!!!!!!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Fritz I don't think Hardwaterman was asking for a legal decision, he was asking you what your opinion is.  Duckin again.

I would prefer that more people would make the decision where the money goes.  I don't like that there is a provision that money has to be spent each year, I would prefer more people being in charge, but the governor does appoint some so I would guess farmers will get more say than sportsmen again.  With all that said this is happening because of the finger from the legislature.  Now the people will decide and voting for it will give us more than the legislature was willing to give, and evidently more than some on this form are willing to give.  I think a lot less would have been ok, but for any of you who testified in front of the legislator this is what you created.  Now we may all have to live with it.

Fritz you like to tell us how you testify in Bismarck.  Is this initiative a product of your greed?  How about you gst?  Someone was greedy or we wouldn't be talking about this initiative.   

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Ron,

So grow a pair and tell us Dwight or accept that I am dead on with the greed factor! Not one acre not one thin dime ! Is that the right words?

 

Nope, the sayin' goes, "not one thin dime for one square inch."

I didn't coin the phrase, Eric Aasmundstad did.

Fritz you like to tell us how you testify in Bismarck.  Is this initiative a product of your greed?  How about you gst?  Someone was greedy or we wouldn't be talking about this initiative. 

Plains, you don't get out much do you. This is not my fault or George Bush's. We'll have to take it from the top. Dave Dittloff, regional director for the national wildlife federation traveled to ND to inform the gang about "the plan".

http://www.ndwf.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=s%2BNOJT80s2k%3D&tabid=68&mid=382

vi) Dave Dittloff informed the board of the North Dakota Legacy presentation
(1) Moving forward with an initiated measure to acquire 5% of production
and extraction taxes from oil development to maintain natural resources in North Dakota
(a) A 9 member committee would be created to oversee this program and report to the legislator.
(b) A general pole of 400 participants was conducted in April of 2010,  resulting in 74% of those polled being in support
(c) Fundraising for this initiative began in October
 and a petition ballot
will be filed with the Secretary of State in November,
 followed by
signature gathering in January of 2012.
(2) Dave encouraged NDWF involvement and commented
that this could be
an opportunity for the NDWF to boost its name and recognition.
 
(a) Mike Donahue expressed concern about the 9 person
 committee and
who would be on that committee, as well as their ability
 and
willingness to properly appropriate funds.
(b) Dave Dittloff acknowledged and validated this concern.
 Dave
commented that he is hopeful that this issue will be
 worked out as
things develop.
(3) Dave stated that he will keep the board informed
 as more information
develops.
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So Dwight it gets clearer and clearer with every passing post that you continue to show you do not have a pair by stepping into the sunshine and anwering the question put to you!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe time to change the screen name to Fritz the Weasel or Snake as you attempt to slither away from answering ?

Oh sorry I forgot one that until you show otherwise Fritz the Greedy!!! Yeah I think that is it!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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gst same to you, your argument about future owners is bullshit from day one, then previous owners should be penalized for allowing erosion and over grazing that damaged pasture land and for every friggng weed you do not deal with that affects another property owner in the future!!! That is how stupid and I do mean stupid the claim of denying a future owner something is. You should be forced to treat every weed so that the owner thirty years from now of your property does not deal with any residual seeds left in the ground from your time of use!

ron, you are rapidly approaching the level of stupidity you showed in your incessant "ranching 101" thread about the SD blizzard.

And believe me ron that was a fairly high level of stupidity.

I really can't help you don;t like my answer ron, I would guess most others understand it.

But I will make a deal with you ron, when the state readdresses the perpetual easement laws if it ever does, I will meet you in Bismarck and we can both testify.

You can explain how a perpetual easement takes away a right like you have admitted it does, but then explain how it really doesn;t takw away the right because it was never there to be taken away, or however that dog chasing his tail explanation went.

I will share the simple belief thst every generation should have the same right to choose what they wish to do with their property within the law as the one before it had and we will see who the legislature agrees with.

As of today ron, like it or not, your argument does not hold water within the states law.

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Ron,

If that is all you've got, name calling, then I'm going to have to move on. Ron, during the fair chase folly you screamed and hollared there is absoluting no HSUS connection. You you proven wrong then and you are wrong still. 

An excerpt from the above:


(a) Mike Donahue expressed concern about the 9 person
 committee and
who would be on that committee, as well as their ability
 and
willingness to properly appropriate funds.

Mike Donahue is one of the more like able level headed guys a person can meet. Even he started to raise the red flag early on.

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Ron I do have one question that might be interesting for you, please list the names of the legislators you have bothered to discuss this with and the reason why THEY support the state law as it is written.

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Every generation should be free of your weed seeds and erosion issues as well!!

Stupid argument gst and you are still avoiding the question?

The sun will not melt you step out into it!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Fritz I don't think Hardwaterman was asking for a legal decision, he was asking you what your opinion is.  Duckin again.

I would prefer that more people would make the decision where the money goes.  I don't like that there is a provision that money has to be spent each year, I would prefer more people being in charge, but the governor does appoint some so I would guess farmers will get more say than sportsmen again.  With all that said this is happening because of the finger from the legislature.  Now the people will decide and voting for it will give us more than the legislature was willing to give, and evidently more than some on this form are willing to give.  I think a lot less would have been ok, but for any of you who testified in front of the legislator this is what you created.  Now we may all have to live with it.

Fritz you like to tell us how you testify in Bismarck.  Is this initiative a product of your greed?  How about you gst?  Someone was greedy or we wouldn't be talking about this initiative.   

Bruce, should mandated funding of anything be included in our states constitution?

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YOU PONY UP ! Then we will move to another area!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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So Dwight it gets clearer and clearer with every passing post that you continue to show you do not have a pair by stepping into the sunshine and anwering the question put to you!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe time to change the screen name to Fritz the Weasel or Snake as you attempt to slither away from answering ?

Oh sorry I forgot one that until you show otherwise Fritz the Greedy!!! Yeah I think that is it!

ron, you are rapidly approaching the level of stupidity you showed in your incessant "ranching 101" thread about the SD blizzard.

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I'll tell you what your afraid of guys.  You went to the legislature, you got what you wanted, now your afraid the voters will prove that the legislature is representing you and not the North Dakota people.  To bad it had to come to this, but it's not the fault of the sponsors of this measure, it's your fault.   It doesn't always work to crap on people.  I supposed you puffed out your chest when you left the legislature, but how do you feel now?  This is what happens to people who want it all.

You know I don't like the things the way they are now.  It's to bad you had to go screw it up by offering a pittance and ticking people off.  Now I have two choices and neither is that good.  So I pick the lesser of two evils and that's to vote for the measure.  I wouldn't have to if you guys could be trusted.

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NO I want you and gabe to step up to the plate and stop hiding!!! GET IT! YOU guys like to toss the crap but run and hide when you have to be in the sunshine with your views exposed !

So grow a pair and tell us Dwight or accept that I am dead on with the greed factor! Not one acre not one thin dime ! Is that the right words?

Come on Dwight!!! Stop hiding!!!!!!!!

Who has made claim after claim that is nothing more than a lie and when asked to substantiate has avoided answering?

Ron I would guess most everyone on this site would agree, I do not "run and hide". They would likely suggest  that perhaps I should do a bit more of it instead of driving things into the ground.

ron, you are rapidly approaching the level of stupidity you showed in your incessant rants about  "ranching 101" in the thread about the SD blizzard. And believe me, that was a significant milestone.


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Answer the question gst you always demand that of others?  Come on, you and Fritz can clear this up quickly! Why not step up and show you have a pair???????????

You want to make the petition and issue in every thread, I think we deserve to know why you are so opposed to permanent conservation and landownership other than a farmer or rancher in ag? 

Step into the sunshine!!!

 

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Just answer or shut up for once!!!!!!!! The ball is in your court and nothing you say can or will change that!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Answer the question gst you always demand that of others?  Come on, you and Fritz can clear this up quickly! Why not step up and show you have a pair???????????

You want to make the petition and issue in every thread, I think we deserve to know why you are so opposed to permanent conservation and landownership other than a farmer or rancher in ag? 

Step into the sunshine!!!

 

Ron, any sane person by now would understand I have answered your question multiple times. But until I answer it with "greed" you will not accept it has been answered so I really do not know what more can be said.

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From earlier:
Perhaps someone can answer this question I thought about while feeding cows today.

I know quite a few nonresidents that come here every year to hunt birds. Nice guys. (And plainsman I have never once received any "georges" from them or Franklins or any other monetary compensation so please don;t make that accusation)

But considering they come from states that do not have the language in state law ND does in things such as perpetual easements, nonprofits owning lands (all things ron claims will "help" sportsmen), I have asked them why they come here to hunt.

To a person they say the opportunities here are unbelievable. Even if the land is posted they say they get access a majority of the time and the people here they meet are great.

Guys like this (remember, they do not pay me or anyone else for access, but they are pretty nice guys and not bitching jackasses) get access when apparently others that bitch on this site all the time can not.

Is it really about landowners not allowing access or just not wanting jackasses that support orgs that negatively impact their living hunting on their lands. I travel outside our area hunting a bit and have never had problems gaining access where it negatively impacted my hunt. ( and no they are not always people I know)

But I also don;t show up with 5 other guys in my DU hunting vest with a DU sticker in my window with my PF Benelli shotgun either and let my dog out of a kennel with a NWF sticker on it asking for permission. Most times it is me and a friend and our kids and our kids do most if not all the shooting.

And I honestly believe that most sportsmen in ND do not have the access issues many on here bitch about. Talking with G&F folks they acknowledge in some limited areas access is an issue but overall it is still way better here than in other states when they talk with their peers from other states.

So my question here is why does someone like ron believe that by allowing the laws that other states have here in ND, it will suddenly change hunting opportunities for sportsmen here in ND to the better from what it is now when in other states it has clearly not been the case?

Why does someone believe ignoring a cooperative effort and engaging in one that clearly has drawn lines in the sand will improve things over the states that others leave to come here and hunt because of the opportunities that still exist here that do not where they came from??

After all, these other states HAVE the laws ron and plainsman claim will "benefit" sportsmen. So why do so many come here and talk of how much better things are here in ND?

Will this divisive measure really benefit ND sportsmen or just the nonprofit orgs that are betting hundreds of thousands to access billions?

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  It doesn't always work to crap on people. 

Bruce, you don;t seem to understand how far this measure ill push the pendelum. (or you do and that is your goal)

So if this measure passes Bruce, I would ask that you remember this statement you made.

And then come back in a couple years and answer the question I asked above.

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Answer it!!!!!!!!! If it is greed then fine! It will clear up a lot of the stuff you post for people to digest! See the point!

So just answer the question!!! What do you have to hide or are you really that afraid to make your personal feelings known?????

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Ron, I do have one question beings you are so obsessed with the "greed" accusation.

Isn't your brother pretty involved in one of the nonprofits that may very well have access to billions of ND dollars if this measure passes?

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Answer the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Answer it!!!!!!!!! If it is greed then fine! It will clear up a lot of the stuff you post for people to digest! See the point!

So just answer the question!!! What do you have to hide or are you really that afraid to make your personal feelings known?????

he just doesn't have it in him I guess

 

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Bruce, you don;t seem to understand how far this measure ill push the pendelum. (or you do and that is your goal)

Further than I like, but it's your doing.  I blame you for the way the initiative is written.  I blame the chest thumping testimonies to our legislature.  If the people didn't look at guys like you and Fritz who make the future look bleak for sportsmen this never would have happened.  I'm not going to convince people to vote for this initiative you and Fritz are, but as long as you both think your supermen your never going to understand that.  Keep talking no one can sell it like you two. 

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 good stuff..... i went and helped pull a calf today first time experience,  found out even though we helped mama and baby mama was not a very nice lady afterwards.  i can clear a three strand fence but landing isnt very grace full 

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Bruce, you don;t seem to understand how far this measure ill push the pendelum. (or you do and that is your goal)

Further than I like, but it's your doing.  I blame you for the way the initiative is written.  I blame the chest thumping testimonies to our legislature.  If the people didn't look at guys like you and Fritz who make the future look bleak for sportsmen this never would have happened.  I'm not going to convince people to vote for this initiative you and Fritz are, but as long as you both think your supermen your never going to understand that.  Keep talking no one can sell it like you two. 

that is exactly how a pile of people are looking at this thing.

 

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 good stuff..... i went and helped pull a calf today first time experience,  found out even though we helped mama and baby mama was not a very nice lady afterwards.  i can clear a three strand fence but landing isnt very grace full 

You must be a bit faster,last time I got caught, but did not have the calf. Glad she stayed focused on it and not me! Buddy and his daughter still laugh when we talk about that!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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KurtR Said:
 good stuff..... i went and helped pull a calf today first time experience,  found out even though we helped mama and baby mama was not a very nice lady afterwards.  i can clear a three strand fence but landing isnt very grace full 

You must be a bit faster,last time I got caught, but did not have the calf. Glad she stayed focused on it and not me! Buddy and his daughter still laugh when we talk about that!

felt 18 again for about a 15 second burst but then reality kicked in after bouncing off the frozen ground and i rolled around like a fish out of water for a little bit..... i am sore

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 good stuff..... i went and helped pull a calf today first time experience,  found out even though we helped mama and baby mama was not a very nice lady afterwards.  i can clear a three strand fence but landing isnt very grace full 

Grace and style is not really important in these situations!!!

Kid and I had a little go around early this evening with a mamma cow and new calf and am learning how to type with a left little finger in a splint.


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From earlier:
Perhaps someone can answer this question I thought about while feeding cows today.

I know quite a few nonresidents that come here every year to hunt birds. Nice guys. (And plainsman I have never once received any "georges" from them or Franklins or any other monetary compensation so please don;t make that accusation)

But considering they come from states that do not have the language in state law ND does in things such as perpetual easements, nonprofits owning lands (all things ron claims will "help" sportsmen), I have asked them why they come here to hunt.

To a person they say the opportunities here are unbelievable. Even if the land is posted they say they get access a majority of the time and the people here they meet are great.

Guys like this (remember, they do not pay me or anyone else for access, but they are pretty nice guys and not bitching jackasses) get access when apparently others that bitch on this site all the time can not.

Is it really about landowners not allowing access or just not wanting jackasses that support orgs that negatively impact their living hunting on their lands. I travel outside our area hunting a bit and have never had problems gaining access where it negatively impacted my hunt. ( and no they are not always people I know)

But I also don;t show up with 5 other guys in my DU hunting vest with a DU sticker in my window with my PF Benelli shotgun either and let my dog out of a kennel with a NWF sticker on it asking for permission. Most times it is me and a friend and our kids and our kids do most if not all the shooting.

And I honestly believe that most sportsmen in ND do not have the access issues many on here bitch about. Talking with G&F folks they acknowledge in some limited areas access is an issue but overall it is still way better here than in other states when they talk with their peers from other states.

So my question here is why does someone like ron believe that by allowing the laws that other states have here in ND, it will suddenly change hunting opportunities for sportsmen here in ND to the better from what it is now when in other states it has clearly not been the case?

Why does someone believe ignoring a cooperative effort and engaging in one that clearly has drawn lines in the sand will improve things over the states that others leave to come here and hunt because of the opportunities that still exist here that do not where they came from??

After all, these other states HAVE the laws ron and plainsman claim will "benefit" sportsmen. So why do so many come here and talk of how much better things are here in ND?

Will this divisive measure really benefit ND sportsmen or just the nonprofit orgs that are betting hundreds of thousands to access billions?

Plainsman Said:
  It doesn't always work to crap on people. 

Bruce, you don;t seem to understand how far this measure will push the pendelum. (or you do and that is your goal)

So if this measure passes Bruce, I would ask that you remember this statement you made.

And then come back in a couple years and answer the question I asked above.

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Ron, I do have one question beings you are so obsessed with the "greed" accusation.

Isn't your brother pretty involved in one of the nonprofits that may very well have access to billions of ND dollars if this measure passes?

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