epa (uncle) in charge in wyoming...

where are the personal property rights... think you own your own land??? we are just all renters here... 

 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/14/wyoming-welder-faces-fine-for...

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Ron, I do have one question beings you are so obsessed with the "greed" accusation.

Isn't your brother pretty involved in one of the nonprofits that may very well have access to billions of ND dollars if this measure passes?

You first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Ron, I do have one question beings you are so obsessed with the "greed" accusation.

Isn't your brother pretty involved in one of the nonprofits that may very well have access to billions of ND dollars if this measure passes?

www.rmef.org/NewsandMedia/PressRoom/AboutRMEF/People/FieldStaffVolunteer
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Good grief you and gst are chicken shits fritz!!
 
Step up and answer or why not shut up!!!!!!!!

Bullies act like you guys and then run away when they get punched !!!!!!!!!

Fritz and gst do you have a pair or not????????????

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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I don't like perpetual easements.

The End

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Fritz that mean you are shutting up since you did not answer the question?

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Good grief you and gst are chicken shits fritz!!
 
Step up and answer or why not shut up!!!!!!!!

Bullies act like you guys and then run away when they get punched !!!!!!!!!

Fritz and gst do you have a pair or not????????????

Ron for the last time.

Just as my Grandfather had kids that he hoped had the same or better opportunities as he had, my Dad had kids whom he hoped had the same or better opportunities than he had. Now my Dads kid hopes his kids have the same or better opportunities than he had.

Perpetual easements prevents that same or better opportunity for every kid till the end of time.

If you do not get it now I really don;t give a shit.

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Bruce, you don;t seem to understand how far this measure ill push the pendelum. (or you do and that is your goal)

Further than I like, but it's your doing.  I blame you for the way the initiative is written.  I blame the chest thumping testimonies to our legislature.  If the people didn't look at guys like you and Fritz who make the future look bleak for sportsmen this never would have happened.  I'm not going to convince people to vote for this initiative you and Fritz are, but as long as you both think your supermen your never going to understand that.  Keep talking no one can sell it like you two. 

that is exactly how a pile of people are looking at this thing.

Eye, I have known Plainsman for many years and he and I have been polar opposites on many issues. Senate Bills, House Bills, Measures and Amendments.

If he champions a certain cause it is like the kiss of death to that cause. I cannot remember the last time he sided with the majority. But the gyro jaw never stops.

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Ron, I do have one question beings you are so obsessed with the "greed" accusation.

Isn't your brother pretty involved in one of the nonprofits that may very well have access to billions of ND dollars if this measure passes?

You first!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

easy on the ! there big fella!

So your brother is the regional director for a non profit.

You want to change ND law so nonprofits can  buy land.

You support a measure that will make available billions of ND dollars to nonprofits such as what your brother is a regional director for............................................................. and you say other peoples motives are about greed.

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Ron, in other states doesn;t RMEF buy land and then put perpetual easements on it and then sell it or turn it over to the govt?

Don;t they often use these lands they purchase to have the big wigs from their org come out and hunt on?

Wasn;t there kind of a stink about this out in Mt. if I recall?

Seems they might have a vested interest in seeing this measure pass and why you would like to have nonprofits buy land here in ND.

I wonder who would get the landowner elk tag for a ranch the RMEF would own here in ND?

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/4989710/a...

RMEF was not "complacent" on the wolf issue--they were COMPLICIT and there is a huge difference between complacent and complicit. Had RMEF simply been complacent, I'd not have this issue with them, but they endorsed and encouraged the wolf dumping. Further and perhaps more important is that most of the money raised by RMEF goes to purchasing lands that are then given to govt agnecies. IF you are OK with govt agnecies controlling more and more private land, then simply keep donating to RMEF...............

I'm just stunned at this....that trained biologists with RMEF could not know the carnage these wolves would create....and that their proliferation would come on the backs of the elk, moose herds that sportsmen's dollars had created through sound management programs over many years.

All the more ironic that the same sportsmen helped RMEF raise the money to fund the purchase of the lands they turned over to the Feds,and made RMEF a political force whose endorsements no doubt helped foster the wolf introduction.

If RMEF were a Trustee of the sportsmen whose money went to both "causes",they would be guilty of a serious conflict of interest and breach of their fiduciary duty to these same sportsmen.

Knowing this,I am regreting that I devoted as much time and energy as I did for the RMEF Chapter in my local area.

Ron perhaps there is a reason nonprofits like RMEF are eyeing ND's oil and gas tax dollars.

It appears that others are questioning the wisdom of the "trained professional biologists" that this measure would require to be on it's panel in charge of doling out billions.

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If you look at any Rocky Mountian Elk Foundation website, what it will say is that they are in the land protection business.

Land Acquisitions
The RMEF purchases key elk habitat to protect wildlife values. In most cases, we do not retain ownership. Most often, we convey it to a federal or state management agency (state wildlife department, U.S. Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, etc.). The agency then acts as a steward of the land, protecting and enhancing wildlife habitat, while providing the public increased recreational opportunities, including hunting and fishing.

It says most often they convey.............NO they sell it at a profit to a state/federal management agency.

Regarding this Not So Clean Petition in ND the money would come from the State General Fund. However non-profits can act as a facilitator in a sale. After the sale Technical Service Providers will be needed to administer newly acquired lands. Look at all the jobs that would create. The non-profits get the contract bids, their budgets balloon and the taxpayers get the bill.  And then when all those Technical Service Providers retire, they can with 80 percent of pay picked up by the North Dakota Taxpayer.

Everybody complains we have too much government. Well....when all these biologists, ecologists and wildlife managers put the feed bag on there will be no down sizing.  

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gst you twist things trying to get the answer you want.  You can be answered a half dozen times, but keep asking claiming no one has answered you.  If you don't get the right answer you fabricate a scenario that makes your debate opponent look bad.  Oh, yes I know show you where you have done that right?  Sure thing. 

I'll do something shocking for you gst, I'll be totally honest.  Everyone here feels much the same including you, and if you deny it we will all know your full of bs.

Do we want out of state money coming in, can you sell to a Canadian, etc.

You talk landowner rights out of the left side of your mouth and landowner restrictions out of the right side of your mouth gst.  Here is how I feel:

I think any citizen, group of citizens, or government agency should be able to purchase any farm land they want if they have a willing buyer.  In North Dakota the ag interests have restricted the Fish and Wildlife from buying land.  I think it's unconstitutional to restrict an American citizen or agency that way.  Would I restrict terrorist groups?  Sure I would.  Here is the shocker gst:  I would like to restrict groups that threaten my future and your already doing it through our one track mind legislature, and you like it. 

Out of state money:
You don't want it, because the largest industry in the state (agriculture) can walk all over the rest of the citizens without out of state money.   I like it because it gives us a fighting chance against the giant.  This isn't buying votes, it's just giving a voice through advertising so the people of North Dakota can make an educated vote rather than a ignorant vote.  I want the educated vote, and you want the ignorant vote.  Simple as that. 

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If you look at any Rocky Mountian Elk Foundation website, what it will say is that they are in the land protection business.

Land Acquisitions
The RMEF purchases key elk habitat to protect wildlife values. In most cases, we do not retain ownership. Most often, we convey it to a federal or state management agency (state wildlife department, U.S. Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, etc.). The agency then acts as a steward of the land, protecting and enhancing wildlife habitat, while providing the public increased recreational opportunities, including hunting and fishing.

It says most often they convey.............NO they sell it at a profit to a state/federal management agency.

Regarding this Not So Clean Petition in ND the money would come from the State General Fund. However non-profits can act as a facilitator in a sale. After the sale Technical Service Providers will be needed to administer newly acquired lands. Look at all the jobs that would create. The non-profits get the contract bids, their budgets balloon and the taxpayers get the bill.  And then when all those Technical Service Providers retire, they can with 80 percent of pay picked up by the North Dakota Taxpayer.

Everybody complains we have too much government. Well....when all these biologists, ecologists and wildlife managers put the feed bag on there will be no down sizing.  

Fritz there seems to be a little issue within their membership whether they "convey" all these lands or keep a few for their big wigs to hunt on. If I remember right there is/was a HH ranch down in New Mexico that was a bone of contention with RMEF members.

Perhaps we are beginning to see a little light on Rons stance given his brothers position and connections.

Just like with the Democrat party all too often the one making the accusation of "greedy capitalists" has a pretty good balance sheet themselves.

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gst you twist things trying to get the answer you want.  You can be answered a half dozen times, but keep asking claiming no one has answered you.  If you don't get the right answer you fabricate a scenario that makes your debate opponent look bad.  

  This from the person that has been caught lying how many times and is doing so once again in this statement!

Bruce, here is another one. Please show me where I have "fabricated a scenario" .

  • fab·ri·cate
  • [ fábbri kàyt ]
  1. invent false story: to make up something that is not true
  2. construct something: to make or construct something from different parts
  3. forge something: to falsify something such as a signature or document

Can you do this Bruce or is it just another part of your "Big Lie" that adds to your lack of credibility?

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And then when all those Technical Service Providers retire, they can with 80 percent of pay picked up by the North Dakota Taxpayer.

Everybody complains we have too much government. Well....when all these biologists, ecologists and wildlife managers put the feed bag on there will be no down sizing.  
 

Fritz the great deceiver.

http://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/4583

You will find that federal biologists retirement is not even in the top 500 retirement plans in this nation.

If you save 6% the government matches 6%
You pay into Social Security, but you only get about half in payments.  If you made $100K your social security will be about $700
Then you get something like 2% of your salary.
All at 62 years old 

For those really interested in the truth google FERS (Federal Employees Retirement System)

The old system was 56.5% of salalry after 30 years and 55 years old.  If you didn't want your wife to live on food stamps you signed up for survivor benefits and they took about 10% for that.  So now your down to 46.5% and if you die she gets half of that. 

So we like the truth here do we?  Well look it up yourself and decide.

It's been a long time since we talked about Wyoming.  They wanted everyone to decide the man was innocent.  They wanted to make points against regulations.  Most often people who want to destroy regulations do so for one reason.  Destroyed regulations will make them a few pennies more at the cost of the habitat, environment, and most importantly their neighbors downstream.  So this big push against regulations you should think about very seriously.

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plains, but would these people still be Federal employees if they are getting a paycheck from the state?

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First off both of you are getting to be bigger chicken shits with every passing post!!! The anwswer you two provide are still avoiding the question put to you. Then you try and deflect towards other things and then try and pull something else into the mix to avoid answering a direct question.

SO FOR YOU TWO CHICKENSHIT BULLIES HERE IS THE QUESTION AGAIN !!!!!!!

THAT WAY YOU TO BULLIES CAN EITHER ANWSER THE QUESTION OR SHUT UP!

WHY DO YOU OPPOSE PERMANENT CONSERVATION, LAND PURCHASED OR VIA EASEMENTS!

YOU TWO WAG YOUR TONGUES LIKE HOOKERS DO THEIR WARES !!!!!!!

GST OWNERSHIP OF LAND BY A NON PROFIT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR KIDS OR GRANDKIDS ANYMORE THAN IF I OWNED THE PROPERTY. THUS NOT AN ANWSER.

FRITZ I THINK YOU ARE THE BIGGEST BULLY BECAUSE OF YOUR SELF SERVING ATTITUDE YOU CHOSE TO PUT SOMEONES NAME ON THE WEBSITE BUT SIT LIKE A LITTLE GIRL HIDING BEHIND HIS MOMMA'S SKIRT BY LEAVING HIS IDENTITY HIDDEN.

IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS AND ARE NOT A BULLY PUT YOUR NAME OUT HERE. IF NOT SHUT UP! BUT MY GUESS IS YOUR MOUTH IS LIKELY TO CONTINUE TO RUN BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT CHICKENSHIT BULLIES DO, THEY STAND BACK AND NEVER PUT THEMSELVES WITHOUT GANG PROTECTION OUT FRONT, AND THEN COME IN AFTER THE OTHER PERSON IS DOWN AND KICK NEVER BEING THE ONE TO TAKE IT HEAD ON.

IN REGARDS TO RMEF  I AM A MEMBER, LIKE I AM TO DU, DELTA, PHEASANTS FOREVER AND OTHER SPORTSMANS GROUPS. I SUPPORT THEM BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT CONSERVATION EFFORTS. I AM A NRA MEMBER AS WELL.

SAME REASON THAT YOU GUYS BELONG WHERE YOU DO. 

SO BOYS AND I USE THAT TERM CORRECTLY BECAUSE NEITHER OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE MEN!  

ANSWER OR SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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plains, but would these people still be Federal employees if they are getting a paycheck from the state?

No, but Fritz talked about downsizing, and implied that whoever they were their retirement was 80 percent.   Wow, I would like to come close.

Can't go further I am waiting for the doctor.

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It's been a long time since we talked about Wyoming.  They wanted everyone to decide the man was innocent.  They wanted to make points against regulations.  Most often people who want to destroy regulations do so for one reason.  Destroyed regulations will make them a few pennies more at the cost of the habitat, environment, and most importantly their neighbors downstream.  So this big push against regulations you should think about very seriously.

Indeed people should look at it seriously Bruce, but also truthfully.

plains once again the deception. No one is pushing against common sense regulations.

What is being pushed back against is agenda driven excessive regulations like the EPA's attempt to regulate particulate matter (dust).

The standard they wished to impose would have been violated driving down a gravel road most any day it was not wet from rain.

Their response was there are anti dust agents that can be applied to these roads to meet the EPA mandated regulations.

How many townships or counties do you know that have the monies to do that Bruce?

plains, do you deny that the EPA and IRS have greatly expanded (or tried to) their agenda driven regulatory authority under Obama even more than they had previously?

What about their regulations that have closed all lead smelters in the US effectively forcing us to import lead for bullets from other nations?

Bruce you claimed some ag org was looking to abolish all regulations. Can you prove that statement or is it simply not true?

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plains, but would these people still be Federal employees if they are getting a paycheck from the state?

No, but Fritz talked about downsizing, and implied that whoever they were their retirement was 80 percent.   Wow, I would like to come close.

Can't go further I am waiting for the doctor.

So what is the retirement package for state employees plains?

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You should try being a little less hard headed and stubborn and more open minded!

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CHICKENSHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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First off both of you are getting to be bigger chicken shits with every passing post!!! The anwswer you two provide are still avoiding the question put to you. Then you try and deflect towards other things and then try and pull something else into the mix to avoid answering a direct question.

SO FOR YOU TWO CHICKENSHIT BULLIES HERE IS THE QUESTION AGAIN !!!!!!!

THAT WAY YOU TO BULLIES CAN EITHER ANWSER THE QUESTION OR SHUT UP!

WHY DO YOU OPPOSE PERMANENT CONSERVATION, LAND PURCHASED OR VIA EASEMENTS!

YOU TWO WAG YOUR TONGUES LIKE HOOKERS DO THEIR WARES !!!!!!!

GST OWNERSHIP OF LAND BY A NON PROFIT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY FROM YOUR KIDS OR GRANDKIDS ANYMORE THAN IF I OWNED THE PROPERTY. THUS NOT AN ANWSER.

Okay ron you need to pick an issue, are you talking about nonprofits buying land or perpetual easements?

Because if you remember, you admitted a perpetual easement takes away someones right to do what they wish with their lands did you not?

So if that is true ron, how can something not have been taken away from someone?

FRITZ I THINK YOU ARE THE BIGGEST BULLY BECAUSE OF YOUR SELF SERVING ATTITUDE YOU CHOSE TO PUT SOMEONES NAME ON THE WEBSITE BUT SIT LIKE A LITTLE GIRL HIDING BEHIND HIS MOMMA'S SKIRT BY LEAVING HIS IDENTITY HIDDEN.

IF YOU HAVE THE BALLS AND ARE NOT A BULLY PUT YOUR NAME OUT HERE. IF NOT SHUT UP! BUT MY GUESS IS YOUR MOUTH IS LIKELY TO CONTINUE TO RUN BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT CHICKENSHIT BULLIES DO, THEY STAND BACK AND NEVER PUT THEMSELVES WITHOUT GANG PROTECTION OUT FRONT, AND THEN COME IN AFTER THE OTHER PERSON IS DOWN AND KICK NEVER BEING THE ONE TO TAKE IT HEAD ON.

IN REGARDS TO RMEF  I AM A MEMBER, LIKE I AM TO DU, DELTA, PHEASANTS FOREVER AND OTHER SPORTSMANS GROUPS. I SUPPORT THEM BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT CONSERVATION EFFORTS. I AM A NRA MEMBER AS WELL.

Didn't DU get their tail in a wringer for buying lands and turning them into a private hunting resort for their big wigs too?

SAME REASON THAT YOU GUYS BELONG WHERE YOU DO. 

SO BOYS AND I USE THAT TERM CORRECTLY BECAUSE NEITHER OF YOU ARE ACTING LIKE MEN!  

ANSWER OR SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Chickenshit bully! Anwser!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Fritz I am not in favor of tearing apart the Corp farming law, have said that repeatedly, what I would like to see is a return to the original law as it was passed, not what the ag org morfed it into!

The problem is that since your group is not willing to go back to reasoned rules, Cook is going to force the issue in court and that sums up the situation not being ME but your own greed that is going to rewrite the law.

I do not want Cargill or ADM or Cloverdale to be in the actual business of raising products in our state. I do however recognize that there is likely not anything we can do legally if they pushed it to avoid that.

Now how about this suggest they go back to the old law, remove the board, and move forward. But my guess you and gst want it all and are to blind to other states that had almost identical laws getting booted to think a bit out of the box.

You can stand on your soap box  and cry but it is not going to come out well for the states law in courts outside of ND and that is where this is at now!

Hey gst no explanation on the question I gave you. No guts to answer it?

So why don;t YOU want Cargill or ADM or Cloverdale to be buying land here in North Dakota ron?

 I thought you said anyone should be able to sell their land to whomever they please? You did say that right ron?

And yet here you are admitting you would actually like to see limitations that do not affect what YOU wish to see happen be in place on who can own land in our state.

Just so long as the nonprofits like the one your brother is regional director for can buy land here you are fine.

It seems if perhaps if you are honest for once, you would agree with the state that there should be a process in place that allow for the prevention of unintended consequences and possible negative results of some entities buying lands in our state. (why else do you not want the corps you listed owning in ND)

So to sum things up ron, it certainly appears you want the people you want to be able to buy land here because it might benefit you, but yet you really don;t want everyone to be given that same opportunity even though you claimed you do just to further your argument.

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Chickenshit bully! Anwser!

thanks for not yelling.

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Stop being a chickenshit and answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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