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guys--- look at the levy protection that was built in mandan -- yes that was used and used frequently in the past -------  kirkwood mall - he!! that was a damn good hunting spot back in the day.   The guy who took those bottoms and developed them along with the city planners at that time and this time - should be hung on a cottonwood tree.    Bis/Man seen its share of floods before sak was built.   The bitching that went on was some not all --- as i think the older of us members know better east and west have both flooded. 

Anyway --- can somebody tell me what level this 105 or 110 lets say do.   That map that bismarck has is based on whats happening next week - not the week after.   Correct?    How high do i need to build -- thats the q of the day.   Maybe one of you map wizards can put that out.

Stay thirsty my friends

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guys--- look at the levy protection that was built in mandan -- yes that was used and used frequently in the past -------  kirkwood mall - he!! that was a damn good hunting spot back in the day.   The guy who took those bottoms and developed them along with the city planners at that time and this time - should be hung on a cottonwood tree.    Bis/Man seen its share of floods before sak was built.   The bitching that went on was some not all --- as i think the older of us members know better east and west have both flooded. 

Anyway --- can somebody tell me what level this 105 or 110 lets say do.   That map that bismarck has is based on whats happening next week - not the week after.   Correct?    How high do i need to build -- thats the q of the day.   Maybe one of you map wizards can put that out.

They are working on that data now.


 

 

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When they figure they can hold releases back until June 8 or 9th how much rain does that give room for? If it rains at all will that put water over the spillway making holding back releases inpossible?

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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doublebarrelsaloon Said:
When they figure they can hold releases back until June 8 or 9th how much rain does that give room for? If it rains at all will that put water over the spillway making holding back releases inpossible?

That's what computer models are supposed to account for


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Crazy, isn't there a big hill in the area where I could watch this unfold from a lawn chair with beer in hand, of course after helping sandbag

I'm sure there is. 

Has anyone suggested opening up the golf dome or other large, open buildings for living quarters?  Thats what they should be working on.  The water will be there quick, and if there is no feasible way to stop it, then abandon the sandbag effort and do what you can to in the way of prepping for food/water/shelter/porta crapper needs.

from the sounds of it, the sandbaggers don't have clue one whether or not they're doing any good.....more like the "we've got to at least try" mentality.  Time is short here folks, use it wisely.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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I'm from Fargo here, didn't realize there was animosity between east and west during the Fargo flood fight....when it was going on I was too busy sandbagging; not on fishingbuddy.  If I lived in or near Bismarck, I know where I'd be....and it's not the internet….

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I'm from Fargo here, didn't realize there was animosity between east and west during the Fargo flood fight....when it was going on I was too busy sandbagging; not on fishingbuddy.  If I lived in or near Bismarck, I know where I'd be....and it's not the internet….

Many of the "discussions" took place in winter months when many of us were discussing forecasts, snow depths. Comparing them with prior years, some people claiming we got lucky/unlucky last year, some saying anyone living in a flood plain is foolish (maybe so? ;) ) , others trying to explain how wet cycles have people that live miles from surface waters surprised (Devils Lake for example), etc.  The "debates" weren't DURING the flood, it was armchair quarterbacking by everyone between floods when there was snow on the ground and we were all going stir-crazy

 

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Yuck.  Already up to .25 to .50 of rain has fell in Montana today.  Or so it seems if you run the storm total loops.

It just never ends.


 

 

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I hear ya Guy...thats part of it too.

Are they putting in clay dikes in areas where feasible as they do on second street and other areas the machines can get access to in Fargo?  Boy that sure saves a lot of manual labor and sandbags every year in Fargo...not to mention the most important part: time.  Hopefully all the businesses, malls, etc. shut down to allow employees to go and volunteer to help.  That too made a heck of a difference in Fargo.  Just some ideas, I'm sure they are doing what they can but it can't hurt to mention.

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just heard from my cousin that lives in bismarck, he lives down by the river and said he used his equipment to build a dam for his house, but heard about the new water releases and said he was screwed and that there was no use to try anymore he was going to start looking for somewhere else to stay for him and his family.  not sure how he found out or if it is true, but he said 120,000 by the 9th

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just heard from my cousin that lives in bismarck, he lives down by the river and said he used his equipment to build a dam for his house, but heard about the new water releases and said he was screwed and that there was no use to try anymore he was going to start looking for somewhere else to stay for him and his family.  not sure how he found out or if it is true, but he said 120,000 by the 3rd

Did he say June 3rd? I think the 120,000 is just a rumor (though a scary very possible rumor) still as this morning was mentioned to be 105,000 starting June 9th.

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I'm guessing clay is tough to find locally and they needs lots of material fast - so maybe they're using sandy soils and relying on buttloads of plastic sheeting to seal the deal?

Ifcity/county engineers are obviously NOT on fishingbuddy, but if there are friends/relatives on buddy, we'd love to hear what's going on as far as big building/plans

I'm listening to 550 am and I'm not exactly getting "an engineer's" persepctive from the very non-engineer types on the air right now

 

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Yuck.  Already up to .25 to .50 of rain has fell in Montana today.  Or so it seems if you run the storm total loops.

It just never ends.

SOB! Has the weather lost it's mind or what?

 

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dakota_native Said:
just heard from my cousin that lives in bismarck, he lives down by the river and said he used his equipment to build a dam for his house, but heard about the new water releases and said he was screwed and that there was no use to try anymore he was going to start looking for somewhere else to stay for him and his family.  not sure how he found out or if it is true, but he said 120,000 by the 3rd

I can't imagine the stress

 

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just heard from my cousin that lives in bismarck, he lives down by the river and said he used his equipment to build a dam for his house, but heard about the new water releases and said he was screwed and that there was no use to try anymore he was going to start looking for somewhere else to stay for him and his family.  not sure how he found out or if it is true, but he said 120,000 by the 3rd

Did he say June 3rd? I think the 120,000 is just a rumor (though a scary very possible rumor) still as this morning was mentioned to be 105,000 starting June 9th.

They have used the number of 120,000 cfs in their discussion but it was "120,000 would not be out of the question."

To me, that means, it is a possibility especially if the next few day rain adds horrible kinks to the model runs.  But they will be sure to give some time for prep before they just send it.  I'm sure they will stay with the 105,000 for now but that doesn't mean it couldn't change in a couple day time period. 

To me, stating the number just is a way to "soften" it if indeed they must come to that release.

Rain is dumping mostly into the Ft. Peck region right now but it is moving east.  Not a significant system but any moisture now is not welcomed because of soil saturation.


 

 

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Thanks Tim! Appreciate all your updates!

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just heard from my cousin that lives in bismarck, he lives down by the river and said he used his equipment to build a dam for his house, but heard about the new water releases and said he was screwed and that there was no use to try anymore he was going to start looking for somewhere else to stay for him and his family.  not sure how he found out or if it is true, but he said 120,000 by the 3rd

Did he say June 3rd? I think the 120,000 is just a rumor (though a scary very possible rumor) still as this morning was mentioned to be 105,000 starting June 9th.

They have used the number of 120,000 cfs in their discussion but it was "120,000 would not be out of the question."

To me, that means, it is a possibility especially if the next few day rain adds horrible kinks to the model runs.  But they will be sure to give some time for prep before they just send it.  I'm sure they will stay with the 105,000 for now but that doesn't mean it couldn't change in a couple day time period. 

To me, stating the number just is a way to "soften" it if indeed they must come to that release.

Rain is dumping mostly into the Ft. Peck region right now but it is moving east.  Not a significant system but any moisture now is not welcomed because of soil saturation.

The Missouri here has continued to rise everyday including today and with the rain it probably will keep rising, I cant believe highway 58 is taking wave action right now. I really hope they are comfortable with their models because I still havent figured out how their inflow math adds up to 113,000 cfs.

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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It actually shows 148,000.  But that seems low too when you do all the addition. 


 

 

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Latest numbers for people:

85,000 cfs = 17 feet

95,000 cfs = 17.76 feet

100,000 cfs = 18.12 feet

110,000 cfs = 18.78 feet

120,000 cfs = 19.41 feet

It will take a significant increase to clip that 20 foot mark it appears.  So I guess that's the good news.


 

 

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ok tim build me a map:

95kcfs --- 17.76
100kcfs -18.12
110kcfs - 18.78
120k cfs -19.41

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digital radio is slow

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where did they hide that ulteig map?

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 A person fishing up at the Tail Race said you can feel the ground shake/move when you stand down on the pavement/rocks on the west side of the dam.    Whoa.....

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
It actually shows 148,000.  But that seems low too when you do all the addition. 

Ok I was goin from what we have been seeing on the NBC news the last two nights. That rain west of here dosent look good and only supposed to build in the next few hours.

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
ok tim build me a map:

95kcfs --- 17.76
100kcfs -18.12
110kcfs - 18.78
120k cfs -19.41

I don't have the data.  Nor the extension with my software to make that map.  The boys in Bis are burning the machines up now making them.


 

 

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It never ends folks.  Not what people need to hear.  At all.

HYDROLOGY...
TWO PRECIPITATION EVENTS ARE FORECAST OVER THE NEXT FIVE DAYS ACROSS THE SOURIS AND MISSOURI RIVER BASINS. THE FIRST EVENT WILL IMPACT THESE BASINS THURSDAY EVENING INTO FRIDAY...WITH WIDESPREAD AVERAGE RAINFALL OF ONE QUARTER TO ONE HALF INCH...WITH LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS IN EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS. THE SECOND STORM SYSTEM IS FORECAST TO IMPACT THE AREA MONDAY INTO TUESDAY...WITH WIDESPREAD AVERAGE RAINFALL OF ONE HALF TO ONE AND A HALF INCHES. WESTERN NORTH DAKOTA AND EASTERN MONTANA IS THE FAVORED AREA FOR POTENTIAL RAINFALL AMOUNTS OF TWO INCHES WITH THIS SYSTEM. THE USUAL UNCERTAINTY DOES REMAIN IN THE FORECAST FOR PRECIPITATION BEING SO FAR OUT FROM THE EVENT.

FOR THE SOURIS BASIN...THE FIRST PRECIPITATION EVENT IS NOT FORECAST TO CAUSE SIGNIFICANT RISES ACROSS THE BASIN. HOWEVER...THE SECOND PRECIPITATION EVENT MONDAY INTO TUESDAY WILL HAVE TO BE MONITORED...ESPECIALLY IF THE HEAVIEST RAINFALL OCCURS ACROSS THE DES LACS BASIN AND BELOW LAKE DARLING. THE CAN DIAN RESERVOIRS HAVE CUT THEIR RELEASES TO APPROXIMATELY 2600 CFS TO AID IN DOWNSTREAM EFFECTS...HOWEVER...THESE RELEASES SCHEDULES MAY BE ADJUSTED BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF PRECIPITATION OVER THE NEXT FIVE DAYS.

FOR THE MISSOURI RIVER BASIN...THE LATEST RELEASE SCHEDULE FROM THE US ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS IS FOR 85 THOUSAND CFS BY MONDAY MAY 30...INCREASING TO 105 THOUSAND CFS BY MID JUNE. THE CORPS WILL CONTINUE TO EVALUATE CURRENT RESERVOIR AND RIVER CONDITIONS...FORECAST PRECIPITATION AND MOUNTAIN SNOW MELT RUNOFF TO MAKE ANY REVISIONS TO THE CURRENT RELEASE SCHEDULE. THE MISSOURI BASIN RIVER FORECAST CENTER IN COORDINATION WITH NWS BISMARCK BEGAN ISSUING A FORECAST FOR THE MISSOURI RIVER AT BISMARCK ON WEDNESDAY. PLENTY OF UNCERTAINTY EXISTS IN THIS FORECAST DUE TO QUANTIFYING THE BACKWATER EFFECTS FROM LAKE OAHE AND THE RATING CURVE OF STAGE TO DISCHARGE AT SUCH HIGH RIVER LEVELS. FOR THOSE NEAR THE MOUTH OF THE KNIFE...HEART...APPLE CREEK AND BURNT CREEK SHOULD ALSO BE PREPARED FOR FLOODING FROM MISSOURI RIVER BACKWATER. THE APPLE CREEK IS OF MOST CONCERN OVER THE COMING DAYS FOR POSSIBLE FLOODING RESULTING FROM RAINFALL RUNOFF AND BACKWATER EFFECTS FROM THE MISSOURI.

THE LITTLE MISSOURI BASIN WILL ALSO HAVE TO BE MONITORED NEXT WEEK...ESPECIALLY IF THE WORST CASE SCENARIO OF TWO INCHES VERIFIES DURING THE MONDAY INTO TUESDAY EVENT...AS THE CURRENT FORECAST KEEPS THE LITTLE MISSOURI AT MEDORA ABOVE FLOOD STAGE THROUGH THE EVENT.


 

 

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Latest Map:
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This map is a major improvement/relief for many in southwest Bismarck as it shows many areas protected that were previously thought of as unprotected. Of course, you never know what the water is going to do. Godspeed to those fighting the river and to those outside the "protected" area.

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Did i hear them correctly --- (so i dont have to make the trip at m-nite  tonight)  --- they dont want resources used within the protected area?     My b-law is hauling two loads of sand in as they cant get bags fast enough. 

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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
Did i hear them correctly --- (so i dont have to make the trip at m-nite  tonight)  --- they dont want resources used within the protected area?     My b-law is hauling two loads of sand in as they cant get bags fast enough. 

That's what it sounded like if I heard them correctly as well. I don't think they will necessarily be turning people away, but it sounded like they wanted people to use discretion and save the sand for those outside the protected areas.

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This story was in the Jefferson City Mo. paper today

The forecast levels for the Missouri River in Jefferson City show the river will be going over the flood stage by this weekend.

And forecasters with the National Weather Service in St. Louis say it could be several days before the river goes back below flood stage.

Meteorologist Ben Miller said the cause for the rise is large volume of rain falling from Montana and down to South Dakota, where dams along the Missouri are located.

“They’ve had anywhere from five to 10 inches of rain in these areas,” he said. “That’s a 500 to 600 percent increase above normal rainfall. They are normally pretty dry year round. The reservoirs at the dams are already full from snow melt. Most reservoirs are within five feet of record stages so they don’t have any extra capacity.”

 

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I wonder if the city of Bismarck could get a super group of construction workers so to speak and build a huge dike yet. If you could get
The National guard
Northern improvement
Mariner construction
The Coal mines equipment operators and equipment
Knife river and Fischer sand and gravel
Just to name a few and get a 20-30 foot monster dike put n right down Washington or something. If they needed clay maybe the could get it from Hebon bricks holdings.
Just a thought.
I really think its going to get much worse than even reported today when they loose control of those two damns spilling over and then the record runoffs hit. It could be a river allot like it used to be when there were no dams..

 

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http://www.nd.gov/des/ndelevationlookup/

This might have already been posted.  Allows you to type in an address and see the elevation I believe. 

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Good luck guys, floods are nasty and very hard to predict. Soil issues are going to be the biggest factor. Talked with a friend tonight and they are moving stuff out period. He hauled in dirt and built a dike, but the pressure of the water in the soil is already showing signs of creating peculation points inside the dike and the water is not even threatening.

Hope for the best prepare for the worst!

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Why are they not building a dike east/west on 48th ave at 12th St instead of Burleigh Ave on the South end of town? Would this not keep the water from coming North and also protect Imperial Valley Subdivision? It looks to be about the same length of dike as would be needed on Burleigh. Maybe the elevations aren't very accurate on the map. Sounded like there was some talk of it. Hopefully they use some common sense in this process and try to protect as much as possible. Like they say work smarter not harder.

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Farnorth Said:
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Is it true that every 5,000 cfs adds a foot to the river level?  It seems like a lot.

I have been at the tailrace a few nights during these jumps or increases. It does appear that in close proximity to the dam that your statement holds true. That was exactly my observation that 5,000 in cfs was equaling about another foot in depth (or elevation of water level). I have been watching some of the flooded trees and a concrete pillar and started to notice this trend. As far as down river, no clue. I would imagine that someone was right when they said that the water would lower as it fanned out but as of right now it is still within its vertical banks for the most part so the one foot increases could hold fairly true downstream. But not sure on the specifics, just my personal observation.


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Horizon Middle School has been opened as a shelter and many other places can be opened as well.

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release dates -- coe

May 27 80,000 cfs
May 30 85,000 cfs
June 10 90,000 cfs (targeted)
June 13 100,000 cfs
June 28 105,000 cfs

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First of all, 5000 cfs will not raise it half a foot. If that were the case we would be looking at far greater that 20 feet of water at 120.  It takes much more water at this point with the river being very wide and much bigger to raise it a foot than it did when it was as 30,000CFS.  Just like it takes a ton more water now to raise sak a foot than it did when it was almost empty.  

It is great that the city of bismark is finally stepping up and building a dike.  It was sorely needed and I applaud them for this.  It is a tough decision to sacrafice a few to save many but that is what leader ship is for. 

They did say that if you are in the protected area they do not want you sandbagging and diverting those resources away from folks outside of the protected zone.   I have halted my sandbagging operations and am strictly concentrating on preventing basement seepage and sewer backup.   

....it wouldn't be a bad time to get flood insurance if you haven't already.

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I thought flood insurance had 30 day waiting period before it comes into effect?

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Majority of the coverage plans do have a 30 day waiting period before going into effect. Im thinking alot of people who even did call even 3 weeks ago are still going to be in trouble. 

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I thought flood insurance had 30 day waiting period before it comes into effect?

 

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I thought flood insurance had 30 day waiting period before it comes into effect?

Yes it does, but take a look at the information, the proverbial $hit, isn't going to really hit the fan until the end of june when the mountain snowpack runnoff peaks. .  I took my policy out 4 days ago and I am glad I did because the timing looks about right.

Personally I hope they go to 100kcfs sooner than later to make room for all that melt.

The current forecast has Sak at 1853.9 on July 12th..............

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taylorman_55 Said:
Majority of the coverage plans do have a 30 day waiting period before going into effect. Im thinking alot of people who even did call even 3 weeks ago are still going to be in trouble. 

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I thought flood insurance had 30 day waiting period before it comes into effect?

May 15th would be the cuttoff for flood insurance. No way will stuff be dry after that (June 15th) . If you are in the dyke you may get lucky. The pumping system hopefully works . Sand is way tougher to hold than packed soil.

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First of all, 5000 cfs will not raise it half a foot. If that were the case we would be looking at far greater that 20 feet of water at 120.  It takes much more water at this point with the river being very wide and much bigger to raise it a foot than it did when it was as 30,000CFS.  Just like it takes a ton more water now to raise sak a foot than it did when it was almost empty.  

It is great that the city of Bismarck is finally stepping up and building a dike.  It was sorely needed and I applaud them for this.  It is a tough decision to sacrifice a few to save many but that is what leader ship is for. 

They did say that if you are in the protected area they do not want you sandbagging and diverting those resources away from folks outside of the protected zone.   I have halted my sandbagging operations and am strictly concentrating on preventing basement seepage and sewer backup.   

....it wouldn't be a bad time to get flood insurance if you haven't already.

Yeah I talked about that in another forum.  If it was 5,000 we'd be in deep trouble.  Up at the tailrace the changes in cfs is much more noticeable but further south, as you mentioned, things spread out much more.

For instance, with the Corps projected numbers yesterday this is what they have:

85,000 cfs = 17 feet 10,000 cfs = .76 ft difference
95,000 cfs = 17.76 feet
100,000 cfs = 18.12 feet 5,000 cfs = .36 ft difference
110,000 cfs = 18.78 feet 10,000 cfs = .66 ft difference
120,000 cfs = 19.41 feet 10,000 cfs = .63 ft difference

So as you can see, the more ball park range is .36 feet per 5,000 cfs.

One thing I'd like to know about these values though is are they in datum ngvd 88 or are in ngvd 29 elevation values?  The difference between the two is 1.34 feet.  I noticed last night on the news that Bismarck is using 88 but the USGS river gage is at 29.  Since the gage 0 for Bismarck is 1618.28 so if you add on the 1.34 feet because of the elevation difference the gage 0 is actually 1619.62.

Just something to remember but I assume Bismarck has done that conversion and been giving the elevation and gage elevations accordingly.


 

 

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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:

release dates -- coe

May 27 80,000 cfs
May 30 85,000 cfs
June 10 90,000 cfs (targeted)
June 13 100,000 cfs
June 28 105,000 cfs

I have been putting forth a little support to the Corps but these numbers make me take the cap off and scratch my head.  They JUST DID a conference at 4:00 pm and what i heard on the radio was keeping the 105,000 starting June 9th with the threat of 120,000 still very real.

To me, it basically assures Bismarck will be seeing 120,000 cfs but maybe the Corp did some MAJOR number crunching and have things figured out down to the "T".  I'm not sure in that even so.

There is another 1.5 to 3 inches forecast for Montana Sunday night through Tuesday.  We also are slated for about 1 to 2 inches here in North Dakota. 

I do not understand why the change other than the Corp is simply buying time for Bismarck and everyone else downstream.  Or it is a political move to buy time.  I am not sure.

Current Sakakawea level = 1851.80

Current inflow from the Corp = 167,000 cfs

The inflow has crested and evidently the cfs values of 200,000 must not be correct.  Nor was the 180,000 cfs because the Corp has never reported more than that.  Or they are behind on the inflows as far as reporting them to the public.  I don't get it because as I said, Williston has crested and on the decline.  All other gages are too an have been for two days.  So either the numbers were not as big or the cfs somehow changes as it gets closer to Williston.  Confused.....


 

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:

permo Said:
First of all, 5000 cfs will not raise it half a foot. If that were the case we would be looking at far greater that 20 feet of water at 120.  It takes much more water at this point with the river being very wide and much bigger to raise it a foot than it did when it was as 30,000CFS.  Just like it takes a ton more water now to raise sak a foot than it did when it was almost empty.  

It is great that the city of Bismarck is finally stepping up and building a dike.  It was sorely needed and I applaud them for this.  It is a tough decision to sacrifice a few to save many but that is what leader ship is for. 

They did say that if you are in the protected area they do not want you sandbagging and diverting those resources away from folks outside of the protected zone.   I have halted my sandbagging operations and am strictly concentrating on preventing basement seepage and sewer backup.   

....it wouldn't be a bad time to get flood insurance if you haven't already.

Yeah I talked about that in another forum.  If it was 5,000 we'd be in deep trouble.  Up at the tailrace the changes in cfs is much more noticeable but further south, as you mentioned, things spread out much more.

For instance, with the Corps projected numbers yesterday this is what they have:

85,000 cfs = 17 feet 10,000 cfs = .76 ft difference
95,000 cfs = 17.76 feet
100,000 cfs = 18.12 feet 5,000 cfs = .36 ft difference
110,000 cfs = 18.78 feet 10,000 cfs = .66 ft difference
120,000 cfs = 19.41 feet 10,000 cfs = .63 ft difference

So as you can see, the more ball park range is .36 feet per 5,000 cfs.

One thing I'd like to know about these values though is are they in datum ngvd 88 or are in ngvd 29 elevation values?  The difference between the two is 1.34 feet.  I noticed last night on the news that Bismarck is using 88 but the USGS river gage is at 29.  Since the gage 0 for Bismarck is 1618.28 so if you add on the 1.34 feet because of the elevation difference the gage 0 is actually 1619.62.

Just something to remember but I assume Bismarck has done that conversion and been giving the elevation and gage elevations accordingly.

 

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still waiting to hear from my cousin who lives down there, him and some of his friends are working hard with his bobcat trying to build a damn to keep the water out of his yard, yesterday he said to hell with the sandbags and started tearing up his yard with the cat, if you are looking for pics or info regarding the flood on facebook they started this page North Dakota flood info center. it has pics and info  hope everyone stays safe and makes it through all of this in bismarck, as for me i will be down in devils lake looking for my third limit if eyes in three days hope the weather didn't push them out of the area

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permo Said:

KurtR Said:
I thought flood insurance had 30 day waiting period before it comes into effect?

Yes it does, but take a look at the information, the proverbial $hit, isn't going to really hit the fan until the end of june when the mountain snowpack runnoff peaks. .  I took my policy out 4 days ago and I am glad I did because the timing looks about right.

Personally I hope they go to 100kcfs sooner than later to make room for all that melt.

The current forecast has Sak at 1853.9 on July 12th..............

I just heard the flood insurance has to be purchased 30 days prior to the flood alert being made?

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