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In regards to the previous 3 pages of bitching I'll just say this.

An event like this always brings out both the best and worst in people.

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I was driving around last night on the south side. I cant believe the number of houses I see with 2-3ft sandbag walls around them. People are still building them, even in the area within the city dikes. These people are using sandbags that are desperately needed by those not in the 'safe' zone. Why is the city allowing this? Do these people not understand that if the big city dikes fail, a 2 foot wall around their house is going to do nothing to stop the water. If you live in the 'safe' area and already have all your belongings moved up or out and still feel like doing something preventative, go help someone who needs it, outside of the protected area.

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I was driving around last night on the south side. I cant believe the number of houses I see with 2-3ft sandbag walls around them. People are still building them, even in the area within the city dikes. These people are using sandbags that are desperately needed by those not in the 'safe' zone. Why is the city allowing this? Do these people not understand that if the big city dikes fail, a 2 foot wall around their house is going to do nothing to stop the water. If you live in the 'safe' area and already have all your belongings moved up or out and still feel like doing something preventative, go help someone who needs it, outside of the protected area.

I rest my case.........

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According to NWS storm total precip loop, areas near Glasgow have gotten over 2 inches of rain in the last few hours....

radar.weather.gov/radar.php

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I don't know if I could fault people for wanting to protect their property.  This is such an unknown event that to me, I'd do the same and protect my property.

Heck, Minot has gotten probably close to two inches in as many hours.  Wow has this line of rain setup and running right through Minot.  Flash flood warning now.


 

 

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In areas west of williston, yellowstone and missouri basins,  some have received three inches plus in the past 24 hours.

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
I don't know if I could fault people for wanting to protect their property.  This is such an unknown event that to me, I'd do the same and protect my property.

Heck, Minot has gotten probably close to two inches in as many hours.  Wow has this line of rain setup and running right through Minot.  Flash flood warning now.

A coordinated, unified effort will get more for everyone than a fragmented effort. And not just once in awhile, every single time.

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Man the Billings and surrounding area sure got pounded again..

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=BLX&product=NTP&overlay=11101111&loop=yes

 

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My earlier post I remarked that I was suprised by the lack of volunteers on Saturday. Well I went down there today and there had to be ten times the amount of people than the last time I was there. Not sure why but I was very impressed. Hope this keeps up.

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Lycanthrope Said:
I was driving around last night on the south side. I cant believe the number of houses I see with 2-3ft sandbag walls around them. People are still building them, even in the area within the city dikes. These people are using sandbags that are desperately needed by those not in the 'safe' zone. Why is the city allowing this? Do these people not understand that if the big city dikes fail, a 2 foot wall around their house is going to do nothing to stop the water. If you live in the 'safe' area and already have all your belongings moved up or out and still feel like doing something preventative, go help someone who needs it, outside of the protected area.

Think it through... if the river gets past the dykes everyone is screwed anyway the reasoning behind all these people  still protecting their property in the "protected area" is probably because their houses are being diked in with drainages that are no longer being allowed to drain into the river and all the crazy rain totals we keep getting. I have been helping sandbag for five days now and have no problem with the people in the "protected area" still wanting to sandbag for protection... just my .02

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I'd also like to thank all the volunteers that I have seen doing their part.... The National Guard has been doing a fantastic job and so has the Red Cross...some amazing things going on right now in the Bismarck-Mandan area if you just start opening your eyes..... Good luck to everyone involved in this fight

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Well, I just finished sandbagging another neighborhood for 8 hrs today... another family member of a friends friend...  it was inside the area around Riverwood golf course. We had about 30 or people who built a sandbag dike around hald the block. 

I feel for these people for sure, with the conflicting information coming out of our leadership the void of transparancy has put people into a panic because they are genuinely afraid that they can not truct the information and must take matters into their own hands. 

I am not going to judge anyone for feeling this way having been involved in fighting this flood for the last week and standing next to homeowners from Sandy River Lane, Ponderosa, Riverwood, Briardale... as we either removed cabinets, furnace, flooring, trim, doors, family photos and personal belongings, hot water heaters... stripped them to paint and cement... or built dikes in a neighborhood inside the protected zone. I ask no question that doesn't pertain to getting the work done.

The one thing that everyone can agree on is that there are several areas that we can and will learn from this disaster to better protect ourselves, our families, our neighbors and our community. 

Keep your chins up... turn the cheek and help a person in need whether you agree with it or not, there will be time to judge it all when it's done. Our community and it's people are going to be pushed to limit on this one...

 

 

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A potential reason for lack of volunteers could very well be that there are so many people helping friends, family and people they don't even know move or prepare dikes around there property.

Think about the number of people that you see in these neighborhoods when you go through them... there are a lot of people working on these projects.

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Amen marauder Amen

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I have a 2009 cougar fifth wheel camper  that sleeps 6 if anybody needs to borrow it to stay in till this is all over, i would be happy to lend it, pm me

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marauder29 Said:
A potential reason for lack of volunteers could very well be that there are so many people helping friends, family and people they don't even know move or prepare dikes around there property.

Think about the number of people that you see in these neighborhoods when you go through them... there are a lot of people working on these projects.

I agree.   Lots of people out and about but sadly many of the sand bad dikes are of sub par construction and are nearly worthless.   I was part of an engineering team today reviewing certain areas and left shaking my head.   I saw hay bales used and sloppy bag construction.  

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does anybody have totals on the MT rains for the past 48 hours?   I seen yours eyexer i just want to see the total.   

Hardwater -- fyi - west acres was closed.  all non essential business were closed -- period during the fargo flood - businesses lost alot of money and spent money for private dikes etc etc.  You were not allowed to drive on so many streets that bascially the town shut down.   Enough about the fargo flood --- it was histroric --- we will leave it at that.  

The trust needs to be regained.  At least on the dikes that are being built.   Push for secondary dikes to be built - - bring in outside contractors.  

The river dropped today ---to bad it had to rain    iwb back down a few days.  

 

Stay thirsty my friends

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I have a 2004 25' Sprinter 5th wheel that I would
gladly lend out if anyone is interested.  You would
have to come to Dickinson to pick it up and get the
propane tanks filled, but it's pretty much ready to go.
I have 2 12 volt batteries for it that are both in good
shape.

Anyone pm me if you know of anyone that may
need to use it.

Grey

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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
does anybody have totals on the MT rains for the past 48 hours?   I seen yours eyexer i just want to see the total.   

Hardwater -- fyi - west acres was closed.  all non essential business were closed -- period during the fargo flood - businesses lost alot of money and spent money for private dikes etc etc.  You were not allowed to drive on so many streets that bascially the town shut down.   Enough about the fargo flood --- it was histroric --- we will leave it at that.  

The trust needs to be regained.  At least on the dikes that are being built.   Push for secondary dikes to be built - - bring in outside contractors.  

The river dropped today ---to bad it had to rain    iwb back down a few days.  

 

check out this accuweather 24 hr precip map.   Some big rain amounts by Great Falls.
http://www.accuweather.com/us/radar/24hr/mt_/radar.asp

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Fort Peck couldn't have liked this..
Todays storm totals for the Glasgow area.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?product=NTP&rid=ggw&loop=yes

 

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Our Family lives on the corner of South Washington and Burleigh Ave what are out chances that the levee's will hold 10%  20%  50%????????????????????

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 I'd say those dikes on Burleigh/Wash. are better than 50% because you won't worry about 'moving' water.  However, ground saturation will be your enemy, Mowerman.  Water will find a way through cement.   Get everything plugged and all possessions out of the house.  If not, the moisture will soak into all cloth material and make it musty/moldy.  Remember this is a high moisture area for 90 days worth.

If you have not moved things out of the house completely, make sure that is your priority this week.  By Thursday you'll see water in those fields that surround your home.  I have no doubt Cottonwood Lake will be at its top just because of the higher water table.  

I think most people worry about the river more so than ground saturation.  Some people didn't think about extending their downspouts outside of their ring dikes; therefore, they will have water inside of their own dike that can't drain outside.  My suggestion would be they cut their down spouts 4' high and use that cut off piece to the opposite side of the curved elbow, extending the horizontal distance outside of the sandbags.  A couple of short 2'x4' crossed/screwed together would provide the support to bridge the weight as rain water comes down the rain gutters.

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Strictly from a non-emotional point of view;

Maybe there are places in this world where people shouldn't live. It could be that building your house on a hill in California and then losing it in a mudslide might not be a good idea. It could be building it next to the ocean and watching a hurricane tear it to pieces, one might do better futher inland. It seems that everywhere I have lived people who choose to live next to water at some point in time have to deal with that water in some form or fashion.

I would never wish for anyone to lose anything to the forces of Mother Nature, but maybe there are places better left natural than to fill them up with homes.

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Does anybody have any photos they could post on what everybody is doing to save there house,etc,etc.This is a co-workers relatives house in south Bis.

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mowerman Said:
Our Family lives on the corner of South Washington and Burleigh Ave what are out chances that the levee's will hold 10%  20%  50%????????????????????

Actually you in a little better shape then you think at this point.  You are near a secondary dike. The primary dike will be at 48th avenue south.  I would at a minimum get your lower level emptied and plugged and be sure to have a backup sump pump.  Make you plans to empty the main/upper levels as well. 

At a meeting yesterday the corps of engineers woudln't give a probably of the city dike system failing but simply stated that the corps has never built a levee that has failed.  I am not sure if that is true or not.

Personally I live within the protected zone and in a neighborhood meeting I voted against sandbagging but got out numbered and now am part of a blockwide diking system.  I have emptied my basement entirely, got the boat and all the tackle and rods out of the garage and plugged up the basement.  If we get worse news then I will start to think about the main floor.

Good luck!

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bdog Said:
Strictly from a non-emotional point of view;

Maybe there are places in this world where people shouldn't live. It could be that building your house on a hill in California and then losing it in a mudslide might not be a good idea. It could be building it next to the ocean and watching a hurricane tear it to pieces, one might do better futher inland. It seems that everywhere I have lived people who choose to live next to water at some point in time have to deal with that water in some form or fashion.

I would never wish for anyone to lose anything to the forces of Mother Nature, but maybe there are places better left natural than to fill them up with homes.

I agree however this is partly a man made problem.   My friend lives in a 500yr flood plain and he is in trouble.

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mowerman Said:
Our Family lives on the corner of South Washington and Burleigh Ave what are out chances that the levee's will hold 10%  20%  50%????????????????????

how high will they build that levy ?   just curious

Stay thirsty my friends

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After seeing a number of major floods in the Red River Valley, Bismarck leadership is not doing their job.  I have seen a number of sandbag ring dikes built around home and they will not last.  People should have been educated on how to build these things.  The leadership should have been telling people to protect the neighborhoods not just Protect your own.  Having people come in pickups just picking up sandbags... stupid.  People just wasting time.  They have three different sandbag sites.   WTH.  Get one site, get all the people to work as a team, City drop off semi's full of sandbags and start protecting neighborhoos.

Round bales??  Come on.

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I don't want to be a downer here. I appreciate what everyone is doing in Bismarck, Mandan, and up and down the river. The mayors, governors, national guard, corp., etc. are trying to do what they can while avoiding panic and all else. However, my main thoughts are this:

We are going to soon see way more than 150,000 cfs coming through Garrison Dam. There is no avoiding it. It's going to happen.

I understand why the corp. is only slowly increasing releases. It gives people some time to move their stuff out of their houses and for the cities to build levies, etc. However, the only numbers people ever hear are what is newly projected to be released and what the rise will be estimated to be in Bismarck. Personally, I'm guessing we will see releases well into the 200K cfs range real soon. I don't think 250K or more is out of the question either, and what comes out of Sak will need to come out of the dams downstream as well since pretty much every reservoir is full.

It would really be nice for someone to at least take a stab at what the river levels will be if and when releases like that occur. That way, rather than someone building their dike to handle 100K, then rebuilding it for 120K, then rebuilding it for 150K, then rebuilding again and again until they are swamped, they could build the damn thing to the height the want to right away and quit messing around.

I know since these releases have never occurred before, all of the estimated rises are just that...estimates. No one knows for sure, but erring on the extreme side of caution seems to be wise.

Once the city does finish builidng all of the dikes they are working on, they may as well go back to the beginning and start building them higher. This 150K +1 isn't quite going to cut it I feel.

Just my thoughts. I'm as frustrated as anyone. Mostly, frustrated at the snow and rain that just doesn't seem to ever want to stop in Wyoming, Montana, ND, SD, etc. This whole situation is unbelievable and I think the effects are going to last LOOOOONG after the waters have gone down. Good luck everyone. My advice is be as proactive as possible and plan for much more and higher water than anyone tells you to expect.

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After seeing a number of major floods in the Red River Valley, Bismarck leadership is not doing their job.  I have seen a number of sandbag ring dikes built around home and they will not last.  People should have been educated on how to build these things.  The leadership should have been telling people to protect the neighborhoods not just Protect your own.  Having people come in pickups just picking up sandbags... stupid.  People just wasting time.  They have three different sandbag sites.   WTH.  Get one site, get all the people to work as a team, City drop off semi's full of sandbags and start protecting neighborhoos.

Round bales??  Come on.

I sadly feel that you are right on with this one. Most of the effort I see is with good intentions but all wrong. There are millions of sandbags everywhere and they are soon to be millions of sandbags surrounded by water...inside and out. Unfortunately, most people here have never dealt with this, including the leadership, so you are getting results based on no experience.

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I don't want to be a downer here. I appreciate what everyone is doing in Bismarck, Mandan, and up and down the river. The mayors, governors, national guard, corp., etc. are trying to do what they can while avoiding panic and all else. However, my main thoughts are this:

We are going to soon see way more than 150,000 cfs coming through Garrison Dam. There is no avoiding it. It's going to happen.

I understand why the corp. is only slowly increasing releases. It gives people some time to move their stuff out of their houses and for the cities to build levies, etc. However, the only numbers people ever hear are what is newly projected to be released and what the rise will be estimated to be in Bismarck. Personally, I'm guessing we will see releases well into the 200K cfs range real soon. I don't think 250K or more is out of the question either, and what comes out of Sak will need to come out of the dams downstream as well since pretty much every reservoir is full.

It would really be nice for someone to at least take a stab at what the river levels will be if and when releases like that occur. That way, rather than someone building their dike to handle 100K, then rebuilding it for 120K, then rebuilding it for 150K, then rebuilding again and again until they are swamped, they could build the damn thing to the height the want to right away and quit messing around.

I know since these releases have never occurred before, all of the estimated rises are just that...estimates. No one knows for sure, but erring on the extreme side of caution seems to be wise.

Once the city does finish builidng all of the dikes they are working on, they may as well go back to the beginning and start building them higher. This 150K +1 isn't quite going to cut it I feel.

Just my thoughts. I'm as frustrated as anyone. Mostly, frustrated at the snow and rain that just doesn't seem to ever want to stop in Wyoming, Montana, ND, SD, etc. This whole situation is unbelievable and I think the effects are going to last LOOOOONG after the waters have gone down. Good luck everyone. My advice is be as proactive as possible and plan for much more and higher water than anyone tells you to expect.

     Amen!

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how high are the dikes going to be built?  

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That is the deal.  The corp official are there and have dealt with this type of thing.  I thought Fargo sent a bunch of their people over there as well.  Why not let them lead the way and the Bismarck leaders learn since they don't know what is going on.  Have you listen to their meetings... clues less and not getting people information.  They need to regroup and get on the right track.  I was listening to people complain about four guys in a car a mile long waiting to get some sand bags.... that is nuts.  Get them the bags and let them get to work.

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This is going to be a massive event all the way down the basin. I was on a Pierre news site and they are freaking out to the level that Bismarck is. As they should be. Omahas news channel had some coverage but I don't think they fully grasp whats coming. Won't be long until we start seeing national news coverage is my guess.

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I received confirmation from the Director of Operations at the Bismarck Airport that everything should be a go.  At this point in the process the airport should be able to handle anything the old Mother Nature can throw at it.
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Dirty. Said:
I don't want to be a downer here. I appreciate what everyone is doing in Bismarck, Mandan, and up and down the river. The mayors, governors, national guard, corp., etc. are trying to do what they can while avoiding panic and all else. However, my main thoughts are this:

We are going to soon see way more than 150,000 cfs coming through Garrison Dam. There is no avoiding it. It's going to happen.

I understand why the corp. is only slowly increasing releases. It gives people some time to move their stuff out of their houses and for the cities to build levies, etc. However, the only numbers people ever hear are what is newly projected to be released and what the rise will be estimated to be in Bismarck. Personally, I'm guessing we will see releases well into the 200K cfs range real soon. I don't think 250K or more is out of the question either, and what comes out of Sak will need to come out of the dams downstream as well since pretty much every reservoir is full.

It would really be nice for someone to at least take a stab at what the river levels will be if and when releases like that occur. That way, rather than someone building their dike to handle 100K, then rebuilding it for 120K, then rebuilding it for 150K, then rebuilding again and again until they are swamped, they could build the damn thing to the height the want to right away and quit messing around.

I know since these releases have never occurred before, all of the estimated rises are just that...estimates. No one knows for sure, but erring on the extreme side of caution seems to be wise.

Once the city does finish builidng all of the dikes they are working on, they may as well go back to the beginning and start building them higher. This 150K +1 isn't quite going to cut it I feel.

Just my thoughts. I'm as frustrated as anyone. Mostly, frustrated at the snow and rain that just doesn't seem to ever want to stop in Wyoming, Montana, ND, SD, etc. This whole situation is unbelievable and I think the effects are going to last LOOOOONG after the waters have gone down. Good luck everyone. My advice is be as proactive as possible and plan for much more and higher water than anyone tells you to expect.

     Amen!

Part of the problem with liberally estimating how high the water could get is the net effect of over-preparation.  I suspect people who have tossed 10,000 sandbags around their homes already are going to be very pissed if the water doesn't get to their dikes and they have to fix their lawn.  Always a tough call in estimating how high a river can get to, you have what you know (water in the system, snowmelt yet to occur, previous river levels at various flows from xx years ago); what you don't know (how much and where rain is inbound next week or the week after, shifts in river channel geometry that affect how much water can pass at a given stage, gains in channel efficiency as water "cleans" up the channel, etc, etc). 

I suspect if the Corps of Engineers could have a month ago envisioned the last 3-4 very large (record???) rain events over the Missouri and Yellowstone rivers they would have been calling on these releases several weeks back.

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I hear a lot of people talking about improper sandbagging and am curious as to the correct way. I will be sand bagging around my moms basement windows and would like to do it correctly. She is in the protected area and the basement windows are not in wells they are above ground about a foot. Thanks for suggestions.

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been reading and watching and reading and watching... its getting to the point where my mouth in just hanging open in awe.  all i can say is... i feel for everyone in minot, bismarck and the lake region right now.  please stay safe and good luck to everyone.  my thoughts and prayers are with all of you.

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espringers Said:
been reading and watching and reading and watching... its getting to the point where my mouth in just hanging open in awe.  all i can say is... i feel for everyone in minot, bismarck and the lake region right now.  please stay safe and good luck to everyone.  my thoughts and prayers are with all of you.

  I too say "Good Luck" to everyone in the directly affected.  I decided to travel from Dickinson to Bismarck spent Memorial Day helping out in the Southport area sandbagging and and helped pass sandbags to the river side.  Took a look grief from some people as I was wearing a Notre Dame shirt and hat (but I'm a fan, what can I say).  And I am looking at helping out again in the coming days.  Just need to make arraingments with my work.  

It was nice to see all the Nat'l Guard guys and gals pitching in down there and all the contractors with crews and equipment.  I was impressed at how fast that water is moving by.....WOW.  Just hope that with the increased flows that is it moves through fast(er) as well.  Bad thing is the faster it moves the more pressure on some the dikes, which isn't good!  

Here are a couple pictures I snapped with my camera on the way out.  

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This is horrifick.  I hope I'm wrong but somewhere there has to be a breaking point on this river.  In 97 Grand Forks was the breaking point and while that took 90% or so of the city, I think it saved Oslo, Drayton, Pembina, and everything between GF and the border.  Heaven forbid Bis/Mandan be the breaking point.  My thoughts, prayers, blessing, and everything else be with you all. 

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This is horrifick.  I hope I'm wrong but somewhere there has to be a breaking point on this river.  In 97 Grand Forks was the breaking point and while that took 90% or so of the city, I think it saved Oslo, Drayton, Pembina, and everything between GF and the border.  Heaven forbid Bis/Mandan be the breaking point.  My thoughts, prayers, blessing, and everything else be with you all. 

You are spot on with saying what is going on out west is horrific. The rest, not so much. What happened in GF had no effect at all on what happened in Drayton, I live there and went through 1997. The dikes being overtopped in GF and flooding the city didn't save us, emergency diking, the fact Drayton sits at the highest elevation above the river channel anywhere in the valley, and the grace of God get credit for that. Water runs down hill, always has, always will.

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That is the deal.  The corp official are there and have dealt with this type of thing.  I thought Fargo sent a bunch of their people over there as well.  Why not let them lead the way and the Bismarck leaders learn since they don't know what is going on.  Have you listen to their meetings... clues less and not getting people information.  They need to regroup and get on the right track.  I was listening to people complain about four guys in a car a mile long waiting to get some sand bags.... that is nuts.  Get them the bags and let them get to work.

With all due respect to Fargo they have no clue how to deal with this.  They know about their floods months in advance and exactly what to expect.  Never ever have they had anything like this to deal with.  Can they offer guidance on organization, etc.  Sure, but let them play the role.  Organize for X and then see how it feels when Z comes.  It completely changes everything.  Fargo is very helpful for advice on shutting down sewer system, prep work like that, bag procedures, engineering advice, etc.  But they are no Missouri River flood expert.  Not even close.  No one is in fact.  This hasn't happened since the dam was made.  The Red has flooded consistently in the last four years.  And to very predictable levels.

Fargo has had ten plus years of experience.  So comparing the two.  Well, is like comparing the Red River to the Missouri River.

I understand you are correct, people are disorganized, etc but when the news hit there was no stopping it. You are going to tell people NO, YOU CANNOT have a sandbag?  No way sir.  Fargo followed the Red River and has amazing soil to protect it.  Much easier than what is happening to Bismarck.

This is amazing.

Look at Minot.  They were JUST LIKE Fargo with the protection they had and were sitting comfortably.  I would like to know what would happen to Fargo if they had 3 to 7 inches of rain dumped on them in mere hours.  I bet there would be major problems.  How couldn't there be?


 

 

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That is the deal.  The corp official are there and have dealt with this type of thing.  I thought Fargo sent a bunch of their people over there as well.  Why not let them lead the way and the Bismarck leaders learn since they don't know what is going on.  Have you listen to their meetings... clues less and not getting people information.  They need to regroup and get on the right track.  I was listening to people complain about four guys in a car a mile long waiting to get some sand bags.... that is nuts.  Get them the bags and let them get to work.

With all due respect to Fargo they have no clue how to deal with this.  They know about their floods months in advance and exactly what to expect.  Never ever have they had anything like this to deal with.  Can they offer guidance on organization, etc.  Sure, but let them play the role.  Organize for X and then see how it feels when Z comes.  It completely changes everything.  Fargo is very helpful for advice on shutting down sewer system, prep work like that, bag procedures, engineering advice, etc.  But they are no Missouri River flood expert.  Not even close.  No one is in fact.  This hasn't happened since the dam was made.  The Red has flooded consistently in the last four years.  And to very predictable levels.

Fargo has had ten plus years of experience.  So comparing the two.  Well, is like comparing the Red River to the Missouri River.

I understand you are correct, people are disorganized, etc but when the news hit there was no stopping it. You are going to tell people NO, YOU CANNOT have a sandbag?  No way sir.  Fargo followed the Red River and has amazing soil to protect it.  Much easier than what is happening to Bismarck.

This is amazing.

Look at Minot.  They were JUST LIKE Fargo with the protection they had and were sitting comfortably.  I would like to know what would happen to Fargo if they had 3 to 7 inches of rain dumped on them in mere hours.  I bet there would be major problems.  How couldn't there be?

How high was the mouse before all the rain? You are talking about 3-7 inches of rain in Fargo at flood stage, right? Just like the Mouse was, Im assuming? Because multiple inches of rain in the rr valley in a day is actually pretty common. Pembina had 7 inches in 2 hours last year.

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We are not located in the tropics / rain forest so I wouldn't call it common to get that much rain at one shot. Besides your example is definitely not common for up here.  Happens yes, common place a big negative.

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We are not located in the tropics / rain forest so I wouldn't call it common to get that much rain at one shot. Besides your example is definitely not common for up here.  Happens yes, common place a big negative.

I guess a couple times a year isnt really that common.

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Tim --do your history lesson ----  1975 blindsided us -- big rains in july ---we organized and won it ---  that summer was full of mosquitos and encephalitis.   i had a dike outside my bedroom and slept lightly---we got hit 4 years later and paid the big bucks (at that time) (actually less than what i paid for flood ins)  and that part of the river has been diverted..  I cant stress this enough --- these floods were won with kids and young adults  ---  i think we have had 16 floods since i have been alive.     Its all in organization and utilizing people (again especially high schoolers and college kids) in the right places.   Enough fargo vs. bis stuff --- a flood is a flood -- it all consist of to much water.       

Lack of organization at the city level is shown above in that picture of southport that paddle posted (see above)  --- engineer the height and bag the empty for sale lot next to the home.   

From the sounds of it govt is getting a ear full and waking up --- sounds more postive as the days move along. 

Again my question - what is the average height of the city built dikes??? 

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I blame Obama for this whole mess!!

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I'm sorry.  Wrong thread to post that on but I had the opening in which I should have elected not to post that.  But it is what it is now I guess......nice to know you guys.

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