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Word from down at the Yellowstone is it came up even more today, the Billings rain must have shown up.

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I helped some friends in south Bismarck today with a sandbag dike.  Homeowners in two city blocks got together and are building it around all the houses in this two city block area.  They are purchasing their own sand and filling sandbags themselves in two locations.  They started this sandbag dike Wednesday, before the city decided for sure they were building a dike to protect them.  I politely and casually questioned their need for the sandbag dike now that the city was building one.  A gentleman that went through the Grand Forks floodfight spoke up and said he was in the same situation then, with the city built dike protecting his home.  He didn't build his own sand bag dike and the storm sewers backed up and ended up flooding his home.  The people today feel like this will protect them from that situation.  And it seems like it gives them piece of mind, at least they can say they did everything they could.  I would do the same in their shoes.  Lots of people in need of help in the Bismarck-Mandan area, if you have some time to spare give them a hand this weekend!  A hard days work feels good!

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Good for you Schmidty, my wife family and friends all did the same today. But when I look at what a complete monster this entire river system looks to become in another two weeks I think we are just pissing on a forest fire. Can you imagine 200,000 cfs rolling through town. If they lose both dams it will be as if its just a huge wild river again like in years past before the dams, when you'd see 30+ feet in south Bismarck. And it really does look like thats what is about to take place, it terrible.

 

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Sluggo Said:
I just checked 2 websites including weather.com and it shows 0 inches of rain for Billings in the past 24 hours.  Where did you hear/see 3 inches?

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I just checked 2 websites including weather.com and it shows 0 inches of rain for Billings in the past 24 hours.  Where did you hear/see 3 inches?

That rain was a few days ago, a one day record, at any rate that water has a few days before it gets down there and it is still raining in many places in MT and is supposed to continue to.

I believe the rain fell on Tuesday ish?  Not sure, can't keep it all organized anymore.  Becoming a blur.

But you can see its effect as you see another upward run of the hydro graph.


 

 

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I was fairly certain Bismarck had LIDAR data but to access it was difficult. They apparantely did this data creation as a crude way of doing it. Or maybe it isn't a crude way, it actually is very helpful.

Here you folks go living down in the Bismarck area. I was told this is comprised of LIDAR data so it should be good to go. I am not responsible for that...it is up to you to ensure that it is indeed LIDAR.

http://bismarck.org/DocumentView.aspx?DID=3827

You can cross reference with this link I have already provided earlier:

http://www.nd.gov/des/ndelevationlookup/


 

 

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Not trying to armchair quarterback or piss anyone off, but Bismarck was on the news last night in the RRV and video was shown of the sandbagging efforts. From a lifetime of living in the RRV I'll just say when it comes to sandbagging, quality is paramount to quantity. Meaning EVERY BAG needs to be placed properly, not just thrown on a pile. Sandbags will hold a lot of water out when they are locked together but they don't do much good just thrown onto a pile. Good luck people!

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Not trying to armchair quarterback or piss anyone off, but Bismarck was on the news last night in the RRV and video was shown of the sandbagging efforts. From a lifetime of living in the RRV I'll just say when it comes to sandbagging, quality is paramount to quantity. Meaning EVERY BAG needs to be placed properly, not just thrown on a pile. Sandbags will hold a lot of water out when they are locked together but they don't do much good just thrown onto a pile. Good luck people!

You have a bunch of rookies out west.  I'm sure many mistakes are being made.  If we had 20 years of flood fighting expierence I imagine it would be different.  But we don't.  We get the grand daddy of flood events to practice on.  Not a good situation.


 

 

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Tim,
Yeah, no doubt, and besides that not much time for planning. My comment wasn't meant to be critical at all, just a reminder that 5,000 sandbags properly placed and locked together have a much better chance of holding out water than 50,000 sandbags hastily thrown into a pile. I know you posted a link to sandbagging techniques, hope it's shared more places than FBO.

This will be (maybe already is) the most stressful time of many peoples entire lives. My thoughts and prayers go out to all involved.

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I've been down here sandbagging for three days now. Like Bowhuntin said, lots of improper snadbagging and what will soon show to be alot of wasted time and effort even if done with the best of intentions. The ground is already getting squishy ten feet from the water line. Many houses are already under and many more are soon to be. It is a bad situation that will only get worse unfotunately and will stay bad for a long time. I don't want to do any additional speculating at releases, etc. because I have heard every possible theory and prediction over the last three days from homeowners who do and don't face an immediate threat. Bottom line is no one really knows how the water will flow or spread as it rises, but without a doubt there are hundreds of houses that are doomed regardless of what dikes and sandbags are placed.

To the douchebag that is criticizing someone who is sandbagging their own house rather than someone elses farther away because they are "selfish", look man, it's obvious where your house is or whoever's house is that you are concerned about. If you are faulting someone for doing whatever they can to save their property (pretty much human nature) you need to get a life. I can tell you first hand that a lot of people are fighting a losing battle but if it was my house down there, I'd be doing the same thing. The whole situation sucks but there sure are a lot of folks coming together to do whatever they can for neighbors they don't even know. It's nice to see but devestating at the same time.

Good luck to everyone. I'll be back at it soon and I strongly encourage anyone who is able to help someone out.

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Also, as for helping people out, not only are sandbaggers needed, but people will need places to store their vehicles, property, cattle, you name it real soon. There is a flood hotline to offer or ask for services.

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Dirty. Said:

I've been down here sandbagging for three days now. Like Bowhuntin said, lots of improper snadbagging and what will soon show to be alot of wasted time and effort even if done with the best of intentions. The ground is already getting squishy ten feet from the water line. Many houses are already under and many more are soon to be. It is a bad situation that will only get worse unfotunately and will stay bad for a long time. I don't want to do any additional speculating at releases, etc. because I have heard every possible theory and prediction over the last three days from homeowners who do and don't face an immediate threat. Bottom line is no one really knows how the water will flow or spread as it rises, but without a doubt there are hundreds of houses that are doomed regardless of what dikes and sandbags are placed.

To the douchebag that is criticizing someone who is sandbagging their own house rather than someone elses farther away because they are "selfish", look man, it's obvious where your house is or whoever's house is that you are concerned about. If you are faulting someone for doing whatever they can to save their property (pretty much human nature) you need to get a life. I can tell you first hand that a lot of people are fighting a losing battle but if it was my house down there, I'd be doing the same thing. The whole situation sucks but there sure are a lot of folks coming together to do whatever they can for neighbors they don't even know. It's nice to see but devestating at the same time.

Good luck to everyone. I'll be back at it soon and I strongly encourage anyone who is able to help someone out.

Yes, SELFISH!
The people within the city dikes have millions of dollars from the Federal, State, County, City and huge amounts of equipment being used to protect them. 
I live within that protected area!
Think about all the hours wasted by city folks jamming up the sandbaging lines when the people outside the dikes are the ones who need those resources.  Yes, no matter how you attempt to spin it, selfishness is protected city folks jamming up the system when TIME is the enemy. Now Dirty, go wash your mouth out with soap! Your name calling is sickening.

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Just a thought, could they start pumping water into Lake Audubon.  Then just divit it through the canels? That should take some strain off of the big lake.

 

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Okay guys, lets knock off the comments.  There SO MUCH BETTER WAYS to express opinions.  Just don't do it again people.

As for the photo, I hope that isn't what is expected to protect a home.  Not good.


 

 

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"The people within the city dikes have millions of dollars from the Federal, State, County, City and huge amounts of equipment being used to protect them. "

um......what dikes?
Has the talk of dikes being built been just that? I'm talking dikes that would actually protect folks in south Bismarck?

You folks need to get a grasp of what the lakes above you are contending with right now. I have a sickening feeling the next two days of 1:30 meetings are going to bring some very bad news as far as the releases go. Yet they still tell folks they are in control of the situation.

This is what Montana is dealing with right now.
http://billingsgazette.com/special-section/news/montana_flood_2011/?=update76546

Remember they told you to be prepared for 16, then 18, now 20. Prepare for the worst, get your things out of your homes now!

Oh and quit fighting amongst ourselves, we are North Dakotans for gosh sakes. The ill will spewed on here and the tribune is sickening.

 

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I'm going to say this once.  If I lived in an area where 20 feet could hurt me I would be putting my sandbagging on hold and moving everything out of the house.  Everything.

And then go back to sandbagging.  I just honestly do not see how the releases will not increase.


 

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
Okay guys, lets knock off the comments.  There SO MUCH BETTER WAYS to express opinions.  Just don't do it again people.

As for the photo, I hope that isn't what is expected to protect a home.  Not good.

Is this directed @ me?

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Okay guys, lets knock off the comments.  There SO MUCH BETTER WAYS to express opinions.  Just don't do it again people.

As for the photo, I hope that isn't what is expected to protect a home.  Not good.

Is this directed @ me?

No, we have people getting called selfish because they are using sandbags to protect their property.  Then a frustrated person that bagged for three days didn't like that.

I want them to just call it over so we can keep the negativity off the forum.


 

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
I'm going to say this once.  If I lived in an area where 20 feet could hurt me I would be putting my sandbagging on hold and moving everything out of the house.  Everything.

And then go back to sandbagging.  I just honestly do not see how the releases will not increase.

Bingo.

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The 1:30 pm news conference was postponed to 4 pm.  I really do not like that...that could mean they are preparing to give bad news.  Lets hope I am spreading rumor and not reading a crystal ball...

 


 

 

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Stole this from facebook.  Good luck everybody.
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As of now the story for why the delay is in place is because the river is acting differently than they originally thought per cfs flow.  I understand that, very much is unknown with releases like this so I imagine the number on the gage isn't exactly doing what they thought.

I see this as a bad sign.  But lets hope I'm wrong.  I always like being wrong when it means good things for people...


 

 

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   Tim, do you have or know if there is a LIDAR for the Mandan people? Can,t find elevations of a friends residence.

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   Tim, do you have or know if there is a LIDAR for the Mandan people? Can,t find elevations of a friends residence.

I would have to believe if they flew the area that Mandan would have been in the cost share to get that data.  Now, with that said, what happens AFTER it is flown is another thing.

Mandan probably doesn't have the city GIS system, staff, etc so they might not have had the data crunched yet.

My best answer is the links I put up.  After that, I'm sorry, I do not know and I'm thinking that I'd know since I have sat by the a.m. radio listening to a lot of the coverage, the conferences, viewed their websites, etc.  So I'm thinking it is not readily available.

If it is new construction dig through their papers for property lines, corners, etc.  There might possibly be an elevation on it.  Or try the recorder office but I imagine it is swamped with phone calls.

Sorry.  Good luck and God Speed folks.  This is a serious event.


 

 

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   Tim, do you have or know if there is a LIDAR for the Mandan people? Can,t find elevations of a friends residence.

I would have to believe if they flew the area that Mandan would have been in the cost share to get that data.  Now, with that said, what happens AFTER it is flown is another thing.

Mandan probably doesn't have the city GIS system, staff, etc so they might not have had the data crunched yet.

My best answer is the links I put up.  After that, I'm sorry, I do not know and I'm thinking that I'd know since I have sat by the a.m. radio listening to a lot of the coverage, the conferences, viewed their websites, etc.  So I'm thinking it is not readily available.

If it is new construction dig through their papers for property lines, corners, etc.  There might possibly be an elevation on it.  Or try the recorder office but I imagine it is swamped with phone calls.

Sorry.  Good luck and God Speed folks.  Thi.

  
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http://www.co.morton.nd.us/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={42B40818-3042-4674-99FE-D8C2A6BC1398}&DE={65DBCDDF-85AF-4843-AF04-1126221FBD0C}

Morton/Mandan elevation look up by address, based on LIDAR data, same data as Bismarck/Burleigh info


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This whole situation is not good. The news conference has been postponed until 5:30. I have a feeling the conference will reveal some horrible news.

Everyone say some prayers and keep your fingers crossed.

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I don't think it will be good news either.  I would like to thank everyone on this forum for getting us the real data and I think most people including myself knew it was going to get worse even when they said they were going to put the dikes in.

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This whole situation is not good. The news conference has been postponed until 5:30. I have a feeling the conference will reveal some horrible news.

Everyone say some prayers and keep your fingers crossed.


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Here is the link of the press conference on radio:

http://www.kfyr.com/mediaplayer/

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