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120k by on June 2.

Will go to 150k sometime.


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 Grab y'er belts and tighten them up, folks!   150,000 means they are forced to open up the spillway gates, since the tubes and generating plant can only release 135,000cfs maximum.

Also, it was stated that sandbars in the Bismarck area are being forced downstream because of the river's powerful flow.   Instead of 4' per second flow it is now at 15.6' per second.   I guess navigation and summer recreation will be fun for a few years once this water goes back down, huh?

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Press conference says "We're going to let her buck"!

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Talked to my folks @ Fort Peck this morning and predictions are that it will be full release of incoming flows as early as Monday, as I watch the levels of the lakes rise, I personally would not hinge hope on the Corps daily release projections. I can see Garrison going to full release of incoming flows by Monday or Tuesday as they will have no choice. Wish everyone the best. Good Luck.

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                             M I S S O U R I   R I V E R   R E G I O N
                    D A I L Y   R I V E R   B U L L E T I N
                                                                   28 MAY 2011
                      MILES
                      ABOVE  ELEV  FLOOD  GAGE  24 HR  EST  STORE  24 HR  TEMP
                      MO R. DATUM  STAGE  READ CHANGE DISCH  1000 PRECIP DEGR F
S T A T I O N        MOUTH  FEET   FEET  FEET  FEET   CFS  AC FT  INCH  HI  LO
                     (1960)   MSL
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                             MAIN STEM RESERVOIRS
  FORT PECK     POOL 1771.6             2246.9   0.6  75000 17696  0.12  57 -50
    RES          TW                                    9900  3358 MWH
  GARRISON      POOL 1389.9             1852.1   0.5 165000 23083  0.19  65  47
    RES          TW                                   78700  9518 MWH
  OAHE          POOL 1072.3             1618.3   0.4 123000 22487  0.00       
    RES          TW                                   79200  8751 MWH

Just noticed this in red on the daily river bulletin of the corp website, this shows they know they will be going to full releases, just not telling out loud. Sux man.

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This just posted on Corps website:

May 28, 2011 - Corps of Engineers announces plans to raise Lake Audubon pool levels #2011MoRivFlood

by US Army Corps of Engineers, Omaha District on Saturday, May 28, 2011 at 6:16pm
 

Omaha, Neb. — Officials with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers announced today that they will begin to initiate releases into Lake Audubon as part of flood risk management operations at Garrison Reservoir.

 

Lake Audubon is a sub-impoundment of Garrison reservoir, located 8 miles northeast of Riverdale, N.D. Impounded by the Snake Creek Embankment, Lake Audubon was created in 1954 with the relocation of U.S. Highway 83 and a railroad across the Snake Creek Arm of Lake Sakakawea. The lake also provides fish and wildlife enhancement, and diversion of water for irrigation.

 

Rapidly changing weather conditions in Montana, northern Wyoming and the western

 

Dakotas have prompted the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to make adjustments to previously announced

 

releases from Garrison Reservoir in order to evacuate flood waters out of the Missouri River main stem reservoir system. Future releases will reach record levels considerably higher than those previously announced.

 

“Using Lake Audubon will allow the Corps to take advantage of up to 150,000 acre-feet of storage that is available there,” said Jody Farhat, Chief of the Water Management Division here.

 

The Lake Audubon pool is currently at its normal summertime level of 1847.0 feet above mean sea level (msl). The Lake Audubon pool level will rise at a rate of 0.3 to 0.4 feet per day, and the rate of rise will gradually decrease as the Lake Audubon level approaches the Garrison Reservoir level. The final pool level for Lake Audubon has not been determined, but it could rise as high as the pool level forecast of 1854 feet msl at Garrison Reservoir.  

 

The Corps is coordinating with the Bureau of Reclamation, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, North Dakota Game and Fish Department, North Dakota State Water Commission, and the Garrison Diversion Conservancy District concerning the impacts of increased Lake Audubon pool levels. The planned maximum pool level for Lake Audubon will be announced in the next several days.

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They are forecasting an inflow of 206k on June 21st. 



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You may as well count on releases of 200,000 cfs at Garrison Dam before too long. Mid June maybe? I'd say certainly within 3 weeks. whether you are in or out of the dikes, if you are in a low lying area of Bismarck I'd say put away the shovels, forget about the sand, and get the all of your stuff out of your house and somewhere on higher ground. As soon as the lakes are all full what goes in (has been 200,000 for awhile) will  be coming out. The corp has said 150,000 cfs but give them a few more meetings and it will be 200,000. They are buying you time now so use it wisely.

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Just saw them backing a huge semi trailer generator into the parking lot at Medcenter One. To me that means they think theres a chance Bismarck will loose power. Has anyone heard how this flood will affect the rest of the city?

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I am from Minot and my wife and I went down to Bismarck to help sand bag. Now I need to know something about the least tern and piping polver. Being the Corps kept the releases low so that these two birds could nest on the islands by Bismarck how many eggs got washed away?

My next question is when these birds start to nest on the sand bags and dykes will the dykes become nesting sancturies and be taken over by the US Fish & Wildlife and Corps of Engineers?

One more thing grab the last copy of Dakota Country and read pages 30 and 31, then go to this link and take a peek at what the USDA/NRCS published about the snow pack. It is a lot differnt than what the Corps has told us.

http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/ftpref/support/snow/snowpack_maps/missouri_river/wy2011/misnow1105.gif

Then click on this web site and take a look at how wet the Missouri Drainage is and when you combine these two no wonder we are in trouble. The lake ended up 10 feet higher than their manual says it is supposed to be. Has anyone thought about burning the manual?

http://nris.mt.gov/NRCS/swsi/ShowMap.asp?month=3&year=2011

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PM Said:
I am from Minot and my wife and I went down to Bismarck to help sand bag. Now I need to know something about the least tern and piping polver. Being the Corps kept the releases low so that these two birds could nest on the islands by Bismarck how many eggs got washed away?

My next question is when these birds start to nest on the sand bags and dykes will the dykes become nesting sancturies and be taken over by the US Fish & Wildlife and Corps of Engineers?

One more thing grab the last copy of Dakota Country and read pages 30 and 31, then go to this link and take a peek at what the USDA/NRCS published about the snow pack. It is a lot differnt than what the Corps has told us.

http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/ftpref/support/snow/snowpack_maps/missouri_river/wy2011/misnow1105.gif

Then click on this web site and take a look at how wet the Missouri Drainage is and when you combine these two no wonder we are in trouble. The lake ended up 10 feet higher than their manual says it is supposed to be. Has anyone thought about burning the manual?

http://nris.mt.gov/NRCS/swsi/ShowMap.asp?month=3&year=2011

I'm sure in a few weeks when the grand scheme of things is sorted out we may find out if the bird management is partly to blame.   If they are watch out,   there will be some pissed off people and with good reason.  

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Lycanthrope Said:
Just saw them backing a huge semi trailer generator into the parking lot at Medcenter One. To me that means they think theres a chance Bismarck will loose power. Has anyone heard how this flood will affect the rest of the city?

Most likely just prudent planning.

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Saw a few gals jogging today in Bismarck.   Apparently they don't know anybody who needed help or no conscience?

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"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

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"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
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People deal with things/stress in different ways. Not really fair to pass someone on the street and make such leap of faith judgements. You really don't know anything about them. So there were 2 people jogging in Bismarck today. God forbid.

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Saw a few gals jogging today in Bismarck.   Apparently they don't know anybody who needed help or no conscience?

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 There is a facebook page dedicated to the flood fighters and homeowners, people can request help at specific locations for sandbagging, moving stuff, or anything else at this link

http://www.facebook.com/BisManFlood2011

 

 

 

 

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would have to agree...how do you know that maybe they both have houses down by the river and took an hour break to get away from it all...no need to jump to conclusions and throw someone under the bus.


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They were jogging in a residential area north of 71st ave. I'll speculate they either are too lazy to help or too good for it. I could be wrong. Then there were a couple bucks shooting hoops south of Bismarck Expressway.

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

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"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
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Or maybe they took a couple days off from work and drove from out of town to help and needed to decompress.

How dare they be jogging in Bismarck! 

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would have to agree...how do you know that maybe they both have houses down by the river and took an hour break to get away from it all...no need to jump to conclusions and throw someone under the bus.

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They were jogging in a residential area north of 71st ave. I'll speculate they either are too lazy to help or too good for it. I could be wrong. Then there were a couple bucks shooting hoops south of Bismarck Expressway.

Yep. You definately could be.

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so now everyone that isnt sandbagging or helping ppl move are automatically believed to be worthless, lazy and heartless?? b/c bismarck is goin to flood the entire world should stop spinning...it doesnt work that way...i mean, i feel really bad for the ppl of bismarck/mandan and hope that it works out for the best, but come on, ppl still have lives...food to put on the table, bills to pay, kids to care for, etc...this isnt the first natural disaster this year, and it wont be the last...be thankful for the help your getting

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They were jogging in a residential area north of 71st ave. I'll speculate they either are too lazy to help or too good for it. I could be wrong. Then there were a couple bucks shooting hoops south of Bismarck Expressway.


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They stopped work on building 2 dikes

 http://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=49360

 

 

 

 

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Luv 2 Fish Said:
This just posted on Corps website:

May 28, 2011 - Corps of Engineers announces plans to raise Lake Audubon pool levels #2011MoRivFlood

by US Army Corps of Engineers, Omaha District on Saturday, May 28, 2011 at 6:16pm
 

Omaha, Neb. — Officials with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers announced today that they will begin to initiate releases into Lake Audubon as part of flood risk management operations at Garrison Reservoir.

 

Lake Audubon is a sub-impoundment of Garrison reservoir, located 8 miles northeast of Riverdale, N.D. Impounded by the Snake Creek Embankment, Lake Audubon was created in 1954 with the relocation of U.S. Highway 83 and a railroad across the Snake Creek Arm of Lake Sakakawea. The lake also provides fish and wildlife enhancement, and diversion of water for irrigation.

 

Rapidly changing weather conditions in Montana, northern Wyoming and the western

 

Dakotas have prompted the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to make adjustments to previously announced

 

releases from Garrison Reservoir in order to evacuate flood waters out of the Missouri River main stem reservoir system. Future releases will reach record levels considerably higher than those previously announced.

 

“Using Lake Audubon will allow the Corps to take advantage of up to 150,000 acre-feet of storage that is available there,” said Jody Farhat, Chief of the Water Management Division here.

 

The Lake Audubon pool is currently at its normal summertime level of 1847.0 feet above mean sea level (msl). The Lake Audubon pool level will rise at a rate of 0.3 to 0.4 feet per day, and the rate of rise will gradually decrease as the Lake Audubon level approaches the Garrison Reservoir level. The final pool level for Lake Audubon has not been determined, but it could rise as high as the pool level forecast of 1854 feet msl at Garrison Reservoir.  

 

The Corps is coordinating with the Bureau of Reclamation, U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, North Dakota Game and Fish Department, North Dakota State Water Commission, and the Garrison Diversion Conservancy District concerning the impacts of increased Lake Audubon pool levels. The planned maximum pool level for Lake Audubon will be announced in the next several days.

Lots of cabins or homes would be endangered at 1854 on Audubon. More work to be done, just spreading it around.


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3xgutshot,
 how dare u sit at home on ur computer cruising fishing buddy when u could be sandbagging, don't u have a soul!!

Just as the statement above sounds stupid, as does yours about people jogging, Get a clue.

 

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Shorthairs ..02 --- i was in bis the last couple days.  I have to admit we were on a save mission  (ie furnace put in living room)
and move mission.
and a fight mission.  

thoughts --- alot of hard working fighting helping friendly people the kind that you run into here in fargo n gf.   The issue is lack of leadership --- from the commissioner, the mayors, gov, and the three amigos (specifically the two that know better Hoeven, Conrad).    The cities are missing denny/mahoney/bittner run operation.  Its a free for all with lack of direction.   In fargo you have front line of firemen, somebody representing bittner(city eng) on the front line assisting the landowner and volunteers laying the sandbags to the correct height, method etc.    I did not witness any of that.  

Maybe i dont remember this from our floods --- but the money issue keeps coming up in these meetings.   I know in fgo this year it took a long time to be declared.   Last night on the way home the calvery was definetly on its way from the east, many many trucks natl guard etec.   its coming  --- we need some national attention to get the amigos squirming.  

coe-- the blame game----- i fish i have to admit -- had i been controlling the gates -- we would of ran into the same problem.  I had been beat up so bad in the last how many years about draining the resevoir.  My mission would of been the same. 

Lack of noaa --- no noaa representative hydrology etc at the meeting (denny would of been furious).   Maybe Tim could go - he would be a big help (seriously)  They need to know what the future brings as to when the rain will stop in mt. 

Paronia -- -rumors flying everywhere --- heard one yesterday before the meeting (texted by a city comm) that the releases were going up to 170k.  People continue to work on bagging behind the thatch lines.  I dont blame them with the lack of leadership that exists.  

Finally -- my last comment is with regards to the school children- specifially the high schoolers.   Missed opportunity --- last day on friday (i believe).   No organization was done to get buses and put them out at sandbag central.  Students is how the fight was won in fargo.   U can run these kids 24hrs in shifts they will do it -believe me -- we did it when i was a kid.  Its something they will cherish - but in bismarck i guess  track meets, soccer games,  etc keep being played -while school admins take off for the holiday weekend.  

my .02 for what its worth

 well i just popped a couple more aspirin -i cant keep up with the young bucs. 
as i got a ride out on a back of a truck --  i snapped it but you cant see it --- land owner had a sign on his property that summed it up in his opinion --- f#ck the corp

good luck to all the fighters - iwt short

Stay thirsty my friends

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Why don't we have the inmates at the prison help fill sandbags? 

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First major fight the city has faced! Things sound very similar to other towns that faced major flooding for the first time in a long time. What I see happening in Bismarck reminds me of what happened in Fargo and GF in 97.

I am praying for all of you, in harms way as well as the city itself. These events take hidden tolls that linger for a long time!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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inmates are already working ----- hardwater -- -- 97 was put together well in fgo.  while fgo may have not seen the type of flood; they had seen floods and denny was public works director in 97 and due to job he did  he was elected mayor.   He is not suit like bismarcks mayor.    97  was full of miscalcations and bad luck -- that is the only similarity with this flood.   Not everybody wins ; however no excuse for  lack of leadership. 

Stay thirsty my friends

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short, lack of decisions early on forced hard choices later putting people on the wet side of temporary dikes in 97. Learning from that though in 2001,05 etc.. things have went well in regards to fighting the flood. Right now Fargo knows exactly where it needs to sand bag Bismarck is first learning this.

Those on the dry side are going to be happy, those on the wet side are not. I do not envy anyone that has to decide which side someone ends up on! Right now the city needs to protect its infrastructure to avoid the city flooding from the inside out which is what happened in FF.

Again best wishes to all on this fight!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Shorty, I can tell you without a doubt, there are plenty of NOAA reps involved in the process.

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cootkiller 1 Said:
3xgutshot,
 how dare u sit at home on ur computer cruising fishing buddy when u could be sandbagging, don't u have a soul!!

Just as the statement above sounds stupid, as does yours about people jogging, Get a clue.

I'm sitting in line for sandbags when posting on here jerk off.    I've been at it since Tuesday night.   3-6hrs of sleep for me aint cutting it.   I've helped sand bad on two homes (estimated over 20k sand bags) and another move his heavy stuff out of another house.   I'm 41 and can't really take it much more.  

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
 -Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
-Thomas Jefferson

 

 

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