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sd --- i worded it wrong ---sorry --- i meant the fact that they should sit in the meeting like in fargo.   I am sure they r working hard and providing everything they can - it would of been nice thought to see an update on the 3 inches that is suppose to fall in the ne of mt and what that does etc etc  it just provides more information to the people.   When i wrote they --- i meant the people of bismarck, 

So what is your gut on this thing?   

Stay thirsty my friends

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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
sd --- i worded it wrong ---sorry --- i meant the fact that they should sit in the meeting like in fargo.   I am sure they r working hard and providing everything they can - it would of been nice thought to see an update on the 3 inches that is suppose to fall in the ne of mt and what that does etc etc  it just provides more information to the people.   When i wrote they --- i meant the people of bismarck, 

So what is your gut on this thing?   

NP shorty. Not sure why NOAA is not involved with the press conferences. That would seem natural that they would be, but, since this is a controlled flood...ugggh....its the COE's show. A weather perspective would be good, I agree. I am not there so not really "in the know" on this one. I was heavily involved with Fargo in April.

3X, get some rest dude! Best of luck to all in Bismarck. I'm rooting HARD for you guys.

My gut says expect the worse. I think we are nearly on the same catasrophopy as Grand Forks in 1997.

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Here is what I find interesting. I do some work for the core, on some of my weekends when I'm not doing homework or stuck in Fargo. I had to put in some signs, and take some signs out near the downstream spillway, pull docks out of the water.. etc.. They are going to start taking the road out down there, so that when they release from the spillway, it has a more direct path into the river. I can see some sense in this.

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HERE IS WHAT I HATE and DO NOT UNDERSTAND.... after finishing up 8-9 hours of work today.... I see HUNDREDS of people up on the dam, near downstream, taking pictures... watching this great wall of water being pushed out. 9 out of the 10 people I talked to.... were from BISMARCK..... towards the end of talking to people... I started asking... what in the hell are you doing up in pick city/riverdale... when you could be helping save your city? And most of their responses.... " Our house is not in any danger since we do not live near the river."    Overall, this makes me disappointed in Bismarck, overall, as a community. Also hearing across the radio that they are having problems with even getting 40 people at sand bag centers. And people wonder why they are waiting 3 hours to get their trailers loaded with bags. I am FROM THE WEST BORN AND RAISED.... but the residents of Bismarck have tainted my thoughts of what our North Dakota values are. I would be down there in a heart beat , but I have work up here at the dam that requires me to stay up here and get it done. My word to Bismarck residents, STAY IN BISMARCK AND SANDBAG instead of coming up here and checking out the "cool" water outlet, makes me sick to my stomach.

 

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taylorman_55 Said:
 but the residents of Bismarck have tainted my thoughts of what our North Dakota values are. 

Though I agree with you that it is ridiculous that some people are unwilling to help fight the flood because the water has not directly affected them yet, but to speak of the residents of bismarck as a whole "tainting" your thoughts of ND values is way out of line.

Try telling that to the thousands of people who have been busting their ass for the last week without a break.

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odocoileus Said:

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 but the residents of Bismarck have tainted my thoughts of what our North Dakota values are. 

Though I agree with you that it is ridiculous that some people are unwilling to help fight the flood because the water has not directly affected them yet, but to speak of the residents of bismarck as a whole "tainting" your thoughts of ND values is way out of line.

Try telling that to the thousands of people who have been busting their ass for the last week without a break.

I do apologize to many bismarck residents for my comment. I did not write everything that i needed to say, but instead went off on a hate tangent. Do not get me wrong, I truly appreciate the people who are working their ASS' off in Bismarck. But when there are sandbag centers in Fargo, that had to turn ppl away, because there is 1000+ people there during the flood this spring, and then they cant even get 40 people to fill at a single station in Bismarck, that number, in itself, is showing A LOT.

 

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To bad it's that way, probably silver spoon babies. Their day will come. The people that banded together to help each other will remember, this is all that matters.

Good luck Bismark

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I also think there is a huge lack of leadership.  Granted it has been a moving target since the projections changed just about every day but these are a few areas that I think could have been handled better and still could be.   It wasn't unitl 3 days after the flood bomb dropped that the city/county/corp came out with any map that suggested there would be any protected areas.  By then, many people developed the attitude that they had to protect their own property and that they were on their own.  So even after the protected areas were announced people were committed to finishing their personal dike.   And it continues today, you have people on 1 side of a street in the protected area with a 4 foot ring dike around homes and the other side has nothing.  I know that there is some engineer that could identify which areas are reasonably safe and which are more at risk.  I think if people were informed we would be more willing to work together to protect those in immediate danger first and then work our way further inland as the water comes up.  Without adequate info or leadership, people rely on their own guesses, instincts and emotions.

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I also think there is a huge lack of leadership.  Granted it has been a moving target since the projections changed just about every day but these are a few areas that I think could have been handled better and still could be.   It wasn't unitl 3 days after the flood bomb dropped that the city/county/corp came out with any map that suggested there would be any protected areas.  By then, many people developed the attitude that they had to protect their own property and that they were on their own.  So even after the protected areas were announced people were committed to finishing their personal dike.   And it continues today, you have people on 1 side of a street in the protected area with a 4 foot ring dike around homes and the other side has nothing.  I know that there is some engineer that could identify which areas are reasonably safe and which are more at risk.  I think if people were informed we would be more willing to work together to protect those in immediate danger first and then work our way further inland as the water comes up.  Without adequate info or leadership, people rely on their own guesses, instincts and emotions.

Boy did you hit the nail on the head.  Nuff said.

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permo Said:

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I also think there is a huge lack of leadership.  Granted it has been a moving target since the projections changed just about every day but these are a few areas that I think could have been handled better and still could be.   It wasn't unitl 3 days after the flood bomb dropped that the city/county/corp came out with any map that suggested there would be any protected areas.  By then, many people developed the attitude that they had to protect their own property and that they were on their own.  So even after the protected areas were announced people were committed to finishing their personal dike.   And it continues today, you have people on 1 side of a street in the protected area with a 4 foot ring dike around homes and the other side has nothing.  I know that there is some engineer that could identify which areas are reasonably safe and which are more at risk.  I think if people were informed we would be more willing to work together to protect those in immediate danger first and then work our way further inland as the water comes up.  Without adequate info or leadership, people rely on their own guesses, instincts and emotions.

Boy did you hit the nail on the head.  Nuff said.

Totally agree there.  Much of the neighborhood sandbagging in neighborhoods east of washington has been a total misuse of manpower, but because of the lack of a plan by the leadership, you can't blame homeowners for making their own dikes.  Do you drive through Fargo and see each block sandbagging itself in the spring?  Of course not, it's a waste of time when you could just make one big dike to protect all. 

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I wouldn't say it has been a total lack of leader ship but it also hasn't been anything great either. A close friend of mine is on the inside of these planning meetings and here is what he told me.
 
First of all the Gen. Spryzinatik (sp) is always the smartest guy in the room and has a firm hand on the situtation for his end of things. Helps that before he took over the national guard he was the director of the state commision.

Burleigh county com. Mark Armstrong is an idiot and the only things he is really good at is finding his buddies at KFYR (radio) after the meeting so he can get on the air and make himself look good.

Burleigh county com. Peluso has been nothing but common sense from day one and behind closed doors has hit the corp. of engineer boys pretty hard. I know that his house is in one of the major trouble areas but he is fighting for his people.

Just what I'm being told....For my part I've been helping friends since Tuesday and have meet some great people and the guard guys tell some great jokes and we have some damn good looking woman in the guard. Thank you to all that have helped. 

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There are plenty of people volunteering, don't get down on the Bismarck/Mandan area.  The difference from Fargo is that there are so many people sandbagging their own homes or people sandbagging their own blocks that you can't compare it to Fargo.  They are getting sand dumped on their driveways and filling the sandbags on site.  The majority of the people helping in these areas do not live there.  Volunteering is strong, it is just spread out over all these individual sandbag dikes unlike in Fargo where everyone is filling at city sponsored "sandbag central".  When it is all said and done the number of sandbags used is going to be a very, very large number.  More than Fargo ever had to fill.  On a side note, this is new for everyone and if there is a next time I hope it is more coordinated and things are done more effeciently. 

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There are also lots of people from the rural areas helping with pickups, horse trailers, flatbed trailers, skidsteers and tractors.  Lots of us have seed to get in the ground and calves to be branded and we are pushing those things back to help out.

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ugly dogs Said:
I wouldn't say it has been a total lack of leader ship but it also hasn't been anything great either. A close friend of mine is on the inside of these planning meetings and here is what he told me.
 
First of all the Gen. Spryzinatik (sp) is always the smartest guy in the room and has a firm hand on the situtation for his end of things. Helps that before he took over the national guard he was the director of the state commision.

Burleigh county com. Mark Armstrong is an idiot and the only things he is really good at is finding his buddies at KFYR (radio) after the meeting so he can get on the air and make himself look good.

Burleigh county com. Peluso has been nothing but common sense from day one and behind closed doors has hit the corp. of engineer boys pretty hard. I know that his house is in one of the major trouble areas but he is fighting for his people.

Just what I'm being told....For my part I've been helping friends since Tuesday and have meet some great people and the guard guys tell some great jokes and we have some damn good looking woman in the guard. Thank you to all that have helped.

meh, blame it on whoever you want but regardless it all comes down to just horrible circumstances coming together at once...joel on kfyr is all about how fargo has the 8 am meetings at fargo....well ok...so that is all info that is probably from the night before....no difference in telling ppl at 4 pm or holding off til 8 am the next day to make it look like your on top of it...the information comes in when it comes in and i highly doubt that the heads are holding anything back when they find out whats goin on....as far as the organizing goes tell me of a time when the red river had 10 inches of rain on top of the melt to try and deal with...i lived in fargo....i know how it it...sick of ppl trying to point blame on others for something that is not controllable....ffs, if you dont like how they are handling things then run for that spot yourself or sit back and go along for the ride!!


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The best way that I can sum up the whole situation is that South Dakota's elite enginering  and bridge building unit is stationed in Wisconsin right now, getting ready to head to Afghanistan.

One step at a time...Be careful.

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Please do not compare a river that is controlled by dams vs a river that is not.

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ugly dogs Said:
I wouldn't say it has been a total lack of leader ship but it also hasn't been anything great either. A close friend of mine is on the inside of these planning meetings and here is what he told me.
 
First of all the Gen. Spryzinatik (sp) is always the smartest guy in the room and has a firm hand on the situtation for his end of things. Helps that before he took over the national guard he was the director of the state commision.

Burleigh county com. Mark Armstrong is an idiot and the only things he is really good at is finding his buddies at KFYR (radio) after the meeting so he can get on the air and make himself look good.

Burleigh county com. Peluso has been nothing but common sense from day one and behind closed doors has hit the corp. of engineer boys pretty hard. I know that his house is in one of the major trouble areas but he is fighting for his people.

Just what I'm being told....For my part I've been helping friends since Tuesday and have meet some great people and the guard guys tell some great jokes and we have some damn good looking woman in the guard. Thank you to all that have helped.

meh, blame it on whoever you want but regardless it all comes down to just horrible circumstances coming together at once...joel on kfyr is all about how fargo has the 8 am meetings at fargo....well ok...so that is all info that is probably from the night before....no difference in telling ppl at 4 pm or holding off til 8 am the next day to make it look like your on top of it...the information comes in when it comes in and i highly doubt that the heads are holding anything back when they find out whats goin on....as far as the organizing goes tell me of a time when the red river had 10 inches of rain on top of the melt to try and deal with...i lived in fargo....i know how it it...sick of ppl trying to point blame on others for something that is not controllable....ffs, if you dont like how they are handling things then run for that spot yourself or sit back and go along for the ride!!


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u guys --- if i look at my sis address on the map that they posted to the bismarck site --- and it shows my house at 1635; protected by levy --- however it shows 2.something water depth.  level of inundation is set at 120 --- what about the 150?  confusing.

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how much rain in mt yesterday/last night??

Stay thirsty my friends

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Started raining late last night in tioga,its let up now ,on and off rain!

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taylorman_55 Said:

odocoileus Said:

taylorman_55 Said:
 but the residents of Bismarck have tainted my thoughts of what our North Dakota values are. 

Though I agree with you that it is ridiculous that some people are unwilling to help fight the flood because the water has not directly affected them yet, but to speak of the residents of bismarck as a whole "tainting" your thoughts of ND values is way out of line.

Try telling that to the thousands of people who have been busting their ass for the last week without a break.

I do apologize to many bismarck residents for my comment. I did not write everything that i needed to say, but instead went off on a hate tangent. Do not get me wrong, I truly appreciate the people who are working their ASS' off in Bismarck. But when there are sandbag centers in Fargo, that had to turn ppl away, because there is 1000+ people there during the flood this spring, and then they cant even get 40 people to fill at a single station in Bismarck, that number, in itself, is showing A LOT.

YEAH BUUUUDDDY!

my brother said the same thing (lives in BIS) he said its BS the bars were still busy with people that didn't care because theirs houses were not affected, that is sooooooo sad


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Heard maybe a half inch so far here in tioga!

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schmidty626 Said:
There are plenty of people volunteering, don't get down on the Bismarck/Mandan area.  The difference from Fargo is that there are so many people sandbagging their own homes or people sandbagging their own blocks that you can't compare it to Fargo.  They are getting sand dumped on their driveways and filling the sandbags on site.  The majority of the people helping in these areas do not live there.  Volunteering is strong, it is just spread out over all these individual sandbag dikes unlike in Fargo where everyone is filling at city sponsored "sandbag central".  When it is all said and done the number of sandbags used is going to be a very, very large number.  More than Fargo ever had to fill.  On a side note, this is new for everyone and if there is a next time I hope it is more coordinated and things are done more effeciently. 

When it is all said and done the number of sandbags used is going to be a very, very large number.  More than Fargo ever had to fill.  ?????????

ARE YOU KIDDING ME 2009 check the number Iam pretty sure was around 6 million total were made and used in Fargo and MHD, not including rural areas. If Bisssy makes that many in tis amount of time I will be impressed. not that I am comparing floods, but don't knock our effort that we had here and I won't knock yours.


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I heard even the homeless helped in Fargo!!give me a frigging break!!

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murdock1978 Said:
I heard even the homeless helped in Fargo!!give me a frigging break!!

This is true!


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My comments were not meant to knock Fargo in any way.  I could care less what city fills more sandbags.  The Fargo flood fight is a comparision people can understand and relate to.  I said it to show how large of an operation people in the Bismarck area are dealing with.  And, yes, I expect it to be above 6 million if you include all the sandbags being filled outside of the city sponsored sites.  I helped for four days on a project in one neighborhood and the neighborhood leader estimated we filled 350,000 bags.  This was not that big of an area and all the sand was paid for privately and all the bags were filled on site.  There are many areas in town and in the county doing the same thing.  Good luck out there everyone...it is wet and windy out there today.

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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
how much rain in mt yesterday/last night??

Six tenths at my place so far, (West of Williston) and it's still raining.  Came home from Bismarck last night and drove through rain most of the way.

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Blaine Tull, who runs the Pioneer Café in Roundup with his wife, had a different take on the situation and the water conservation.

"Ain't no sense in getting frustrated with something you can't change," he said

But Tull did say his routine has changed during the flood: "I had to put on the same skivvies, and I haven't don't that since Vietnam."

I like this guy's attitude!

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To Much!!

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Helped make sandbags on Saturday and the first thing I noticed was the lack of volunteers. It is sad to hear that the bars are packed when the city is flooding. Its even harder to hear that people aren't helping because their house is in the protected area. I heard somewhere ther have been 4 million sandbags made and they need another 4 mil for a total of 8 million. Even if you can spare 3 hours of your time you'd be suprised how many bags you can make in that time. Will be heading down there again today hope to see you down there.

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This wind from the south is not good, sure it will be pushing up and holding back water from going downstream, plus the horrible waves.

No Breaks

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3x,
You prove my point with your reaction, just as I was not actually chiding you for the same reason you should not have blasted those two women.  I had no idea where you were or what you were doing, you had no insight into their situation either.  People cope in different ways.
Name calling only lowers you intelligence, so I am going to lower my own,
Bismarck, welcome to the world of the Army Corps of Flippin Queers.
I know they are not ALL to blame but they play a major role.
Being in the flood fight up here in the Devils Lake basin I can and cannot see through the eyes of the people of bismarck, your cities death is going to be real quick and over in a few weeks, ours has been a slow bleed over years.

However I have strong faith in the spirit of the people of north dakota, we are known for persevering and trudging on through life's hardships  Just remember the sun will come up on dry land eventually.
WIth SOME accountability by the corps, maybe some of this could have been prevented.
Cootkiller

 

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