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 GG, all do respect my friend and ty for allowing me to vent some. Other than a short stint in Jamestown and in Carson, I have lived in Bismarck for the better part of 2 years. This is only the 2nd flood in that time that I recall in those 20 years. The only other flood i recall was due to rains we received was around the 17th of July 1993. I remember that as that is when my daughter was born. Any flood that occured prior to the damn being built is irrelevant as todays river and city management is a different baby. 

IT IS BETTER TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS THAN ASK FOR PERMISSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Here is the official word on the flood insurance  with Bismarck.

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   Here is the latest information that I have received from a telephone conversation with Dave Kyner (FEMA/NFIP rep in Bismarck) regarding the flooding along the Missouri River:
 
·         The “official” determination of flood in progress is May 28, 2011.  This is for the whole state south of Garrison Dam and a notice will be sent out shortly to the media, etc.
·         It is not the application date, but the effective date of coverage that triggers the flood in progress exclusion so any policy still in the 30 day waiting period on May 28th would be excluded from coverage for this flood event.
·         Policies with a standard 30 day waiting period would need to have been purchased prior to 12:01 am April 28, 2011 to have coverage for this event and policies with no waiting period (loan requirement, etc.) would have needed to have been purchased by May 28, 2011 (12:01am).
·         They are NOT waiving the 30 day waiting period and the declination of that request was made this morning.  The 30 day waiting period is in the federal regulations for the program and only Congress can change that, not FEMA.
·         Applications sent in recently may be cancelled flat as long as they are still in the 30 day waiting period but the cancellation request must be received by the company prior to the policy effective date. (We are not suggesting that your clients cancel those policies, only letting you know that they can cancel if THEY wish.)
 
This is the latest official information for you to use in counseling your clients on their insurance coverage.  If we are made aware of any changes to this information, we’ll let you know as soon as possible.
 
 
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Here is one for you.   What if there was even a 4 inch rain over a 50 mile radius upstream of Williston.    Lets do the calculations.   All the water over this 50 mile area would be 1.68 million acre feet.   Again correct me if I'm wrong.   Even if only 1 million acre feet found it's way into Sak... look out.    According to the Corp site the current occupied storage on Sak is 5.53 million acre feet and the lake is full, rising and much of the snow melt is not here yet.    We better hope and pray rain stays away.   With a release of 150k cfs that only drains 297,521 acre feet per day.

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Horsager,

I understand your response on page 19 of this, but I do have to ask, are you or have you been in Bismarck and have you seen what how this are running?   Yes, the Fargo/G.F. floods are disasters that build up, crest then go back down within the banks over a week or two, then overland continues to flow.  The people is Bismarck Mandan are dealing with dikes that need to hold up for 2 months.  I believe that no two flood situations are exactly alike, which is probably why my views may vary from yours.

I respect your reponse and opinions you rebutted, but I still disagree with having the only (1) sandbag site.  I was over helping on the Mandan side last night and the sandbagging site has pallets of bags that are strictly for the Corp of Engineer, as they need 4 million bags themselves for their own dikes and berms.  The countour of the affected (and possible) areas are not just properties directly on the river banks!

Also, engineers from KLJ are working neighborhoods and shooting elevations and providing homeowners recommneded dike height marks. 

Yes, it is very critical for neighbors to help other neighbors to build dikes that they all believe will hold the water at bay.  One weak spot and she's all over with!!!!  

Anyways, keep up the good fight Bismarck/Mandan and all affected Missouri River!  

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Does anyone know what the level would be at with releases of 200k?


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Paddledogger Said:
Horsager,

I understand your response on page 19 of this, but I do have to ask, are you or have you been in Bismarck and have you seen what how this are running?  

I grew up in Bis, lived there until I was 21.  Pard's dock floats in the river on the Mandan side.  I get pics daily and a pretty fair understanding of where the river's at and how fast it's getting there as a result.

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The people is Bismarck Mandan are dealing with dikes that need to hold up for 2 months.  I believe that no two flood situations are exactly alike, which is probably why my views may vary from yours.

I respect your reponse and opinions you rebutted, but I still disagree with having the only (1) sandbag site.  I was over helping on the Mandan side last night and the sandbagging site has pallets of bags that are strictly for the Corp of Engineer, as they need 4 million bags themselves for their own dikes and berms.  The countour of the affected (and possible) areas are not just properties directly on the river banks!

I get that, and I get that the dikes, bladders, sandbags and such aren't going to be the weak spot, it's the sand upon which they've been built.  Was in Forks in '97, Fargo in '09 and '11 and was told the dike's gotta hold for 2-3mo then as well, but the Bis situation is way different due to the soil situation  The RRV as a whole can pack that sticky nasty clay together pretty tight and make it hold as well as not have to deal with nearly the same volume or velocity of flow.  FWIW, I don't know what the actual level of the Red is in Fargo today but it's not yet back in it's banks I do know that.

Given the weather forecast last week, Sandbag Central oughta been inside the Civic Center.  Folks could park at BHS, CHS, Gateway, Kirkwood, and be bussed in.  Work outside when you can, move things inside when it's crappy out, but, keep working and  keep the CC lots clear for sand/sandbag haulers and loaders needed to move the sand.  I'd have shut down River Road, 7th, and 9th to all but dirt/sand movers.  Washington would've had traffic cops at key interstections to keep dirt/sand/equip moving and traffic outta their way.  I'm hindsight quarterbacking now though so rather than that lets end it this way.  Things are much better now with obvious signs of leadership, dedicated plans and workers dedicated to executing said plans.  When it's all over, win, lose, or draw, the city and county leaders on both sides will study what worked, what didn't, and be able to draft mobilization plans and protective measures that are able to be instituted on a moment's notice.

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Horsager Said:
 I'm hindsight quarterbacking now though so rather than that lets end it this way.  Things are much better now with obvious signs of leadership, dedicated plans and workers dedicated to executing said plans.  When it's all over, win, lose, or draw, the city and county leaders on both sides will study what worked, what didn't, and be able to draft mobilization plans and protective measures that are able to be instituted on a moment's notice.

Horsager,
OK, good to know that you are familiar with the area.  I have been over there twice now and worked is a couple different areas.  It really seems like they have the traffic thing working smoothly and many people pitching in.
Agreed!    There truly is no right or wrong way, keep things moving, do the best you can, make tough decisions and not sit our A$$  and wait for Uncle Sam to come save everyone and b##ch afterwards like the people in New Orleans and Hurricane Katrina. 

The strong North Dakota (upper midwest) work and problem solving shall prevail.

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Another long day my flood fighting friends.   Thank GOD i lived in Fargo for three years.  I just take my trusty sack of drain plugs to basements in need and take care of business! I will likely work a half day at the office and bag some more tomorow but in the warzone our window is shrinking as the water comes up.

The river is still raising slightly below predictions due to increased scouring and removal of 50+ years of sediment and sand.  This is a good thing.

Please keep everybody in this flood fight and all the others up and down the system in  your thoughts and prayers.....we are bout to put the pedal to the medal and see what happens. 

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Twas supposed to hit 17 feet at 2:00 AM this morning.......it is tracking well under the projection.  Is there a like button available for this? 

http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=bis&gage=biwn8

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Gauger Danger Said:
According to this link the river has never gone to 40. Just under 32ft actually.
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/crests.php?wfo=bis&gage=biwn8
That is unless you mean a gage height of 1640.
Which would be a river rise of about 22 feet from a normal level.

I'm quite certain Tim or someone else posted a table with record crests at Bismarck.  I'm pretty sure the record was 41', with only one year in the top 20 since the dams were built.

I looked back for this table, but could not find it.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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Any flood that occured prior to the damn being built is irrelevant as todays river and city management is a different baby. 

Thats what most people think.  Corp of Engineers hole card is that these dams were built for flood protection, among other uses.  Flood Protection.  I repeat, Flood Protection.  They will protect you from flooding, most of the time.  That cannot PREVENT all floods because us humans simply cannot control how much water comes into the system.  The Corp does their best, and tweaks their plans continuously.  When mother nature decides to throw more water at them than they've ever seen before, the tubs get full.  When the tubs get full, what happens?

The river at Bismarck will act as if the dams aren't even there.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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http://www.nwd-mr.usace.army.mil/rcc/reports/showrep.cgi?3MRDTAP7

It has been a long time since all three have been this full.
Rain rain stay away for a couple days. 

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permo Said:
Twas supposed to hit 17 feet at 2:00 AM this morning.......it is tracking well under the projection.  Is there a like button available for this? 

http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydrograph.php?wfo=bis&gage=biwn8

permo, you are correct in your observations.  The river so far is under-performing to a certain extent.  There are a handful of reasons for this.
 
1.  The river is scouring both its bed and the shoreline and in doing so should be increasing its overall cross-sectional area, wider and deeper channel = more flow allowed at the same elevation.

2.  Vegetation that is freshly submerged increases the frictional forces. This increased friction causes the water to rise higher in order to overcome the friction.  As time goes by, that vegetation gets ripped out or flattened and the friction decreases, again causing easier flow of water through a channel of similar geometry.

3. Water is being stolen from the river as the sandy plains to the side of the river are having their available pore space in the soils being filled with river water. This is definitely a temporary benefit, but clearly helps a little as the river rises.

Having said all of that, it remains to be seen if the river will continue to underperform as full releases from the dam are still a ways out.  

Can you tell from the above that I'm kind of a cautiously optimistic pessimist?

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permo Said:
Another long day my flood fighting friends.   Thank GOD i lived in Fargo for three years.  I just take my trusty sack of drain plugs to basements in need and take care of business! I will likely work a half day at the office and bag some more tomorow but in the warzone our window is shrinking as the water comes up.

The river is still raising slightly below predictions due to increased scouring and removal of 50+ years of sediment and sand.  This is a good thing.

Please keep everybody in this flood fight and all the others up and down the system in  your thoughts and prayers.....we are bout to put the pedal to the medal and see what happens. 

Trusty sack of drain plugs, hahaha. 

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Can you tell from the above that I'm kind of a cautiously optimistic pessimist?

General Custer could have been called the same :)

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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Here is one for you.   What if there was even a 4 inch rain over a 50 mile radius upstream of Williston.    Lets do the calculations.   All the water over this 50 mile area would be 1.68 million acre feet.   Again correct me if I'm wrong.   Even if only 1 million acre feet found it's way into Sak... look out.    According to the Corp site the current occupied storage on Sak is 5.53 million acre feet and the lake is full, rising and much of the snow melt is not here yet.    We better hope and pray rain stays away.   With a release of 150k cfs that only drains 297,521 acre feet per day.

What about that event occuring on the "wrong" side of the dikes at Bismarck?  That would be immediate trouble.  Bismarck will have to dodge every thunderstorm for the next month or so. That will be tough if not impossible.  We need George Bush to start strumming the HARP....its our only chance.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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What about that event occuring on the "wrong" side of the dikes at Bismarck?  That would be immediate trouble.  Bismarck will have to dodge every thunderstorm for the next month or so. That will be tough if not impossible.  We need George Bush to start strumming the HARP....its our only chance.

Well, one would hope that the city is now prepared with pumps to remove water from the interior drainage in order to be able to get the water up and over the dikes.  Unlike the ice jam of 2009, they've had a little time to prepare some pumps for this event.

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In case anyone was wondering, the HARP is large device located somewhere off the coast of Alaska, which can be used to control the earth's weather.  George Bush is/was running it.

This info is per a cattle buyer at the Two Dot Bar in Two Dot, MT.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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Ii hate to point any fingers in this, it is what it is. However there are a lot of things that could have been different, 1st was the lake level was too high this winter and should have been lowered all winter. I don't mind having open water in Bismarck all year. Back in 96 there were very few days where I didn't have my 16' lund Mr. Pike in the river. 

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Any flood that occured prior to the damn being built is irrelevant as todays river and city management is a different baby. 

Thats what most people think.  Corp of Engineers hole card is that these dams were built for flood protection, among other uses.  Flood Protection.  I repeat, Flood Protection.  They will protect you from flooding, most of the time.  That cannot PREVENT all floods because us humans simply cannot control how much water comes into the system.  The Corp does their best, and tweaks their plans continuously.  When mother nature decides to throw more water at them than they've ever seen before, the tubs get full.  When the tubs get full, what happens?

The river at Bismarck will act as if the dams aren't even there.

IT IS BETTER TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS THAN ASK FOR PERMISSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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simmsjs Said:
Ii hate to point any fingers in this, it is what it is. However there are a lot of things that could have been different, 1st was the lake level was too high this winter and should have been lowered all winter. I don't mind having open water in Bismarck all year. Back in 96 there were very few days where I didn't have my 16' lund Mr. Pike in the river. 

Which is exactly what I am saying.  Mother nature controls what goes in, the Corp controls what goes out until the reservoirs are full.  The Corp can certainly make mistakes, but one cannot blame them entirely for this mess.  IMO, they are still very much in the "data collection", or learning, phase in regards to what the Missouri watershed is capable of throwing at them.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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Is anybody as confused at the news reported last night?  OK, the water or current of the Missouri River normally runs at 4 to 5 mph and now it's running something like 12-15 mph.  Now, as straight as the crow flies, then Garrison Dam is 70 miles away.  Even with how the river curves and turns this way and that way......how can it still take the water 30 hours to get to Bismarck as KFYR-TV reported?  Would it now be more in the area of about 7, 8 or even 10 hours tops using the speed of the flow?

Am I totally nuts on this? And if so, what am I missing? Guess I'm just using simple math....Duhhhhhh

 It has to be close to Miller time or something......  

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Is anybody as confused at the news reported last night?  OK, the water or current of the Missouri River normally runs at 4 to 5 mph and now it's running something like 12-15 mph.  Now, as straight as the crow flies, then Garrison Dam is 70 miles away.  Even with how the river curves and turns this way and that way......how can it still take the water 30 hours to get to Bismarck as KFYR-TV reported?  Would it now be more in the area of about 7, 8 or even 10 hours tops using the speed of the flow?

Am I totally nuts on this? And if so, what am I missing? Guess I'm just using simple math....Duhhhhhh

 It has to be close to Miller time or something......  

There is a difference between the leading edge of released water and the "time of concentration", that being the time it takes for the full effect of a release change to be felt.  There are roughly 70-some miles of water between Bis and Garrison if memory serves.  And normal current is not 4 - 5 mph, that would be about the max current felt in some areas of notably fastest moving water at normal levels.  Its normal is much more like 1.5 - 2 mph on average.  The USGS was out and measured the river at Bismarck this morning and came up with an average velocity of 5.3 ft per second (3.61 mph).  The fastest part of the water came in at 12 fps (8.18 mph).

Water releases are not a wall of water, they tend to have a "slinky" effect as they stretch out over distance traveled and time.

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It was just reported that there is 108840 CFS currently coming into the system and 115,000 CFS being released at the dam..    The pool will go slightly lower today and we are making up some ground. 

I better get back to work, but this is encouraging.  

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I had a revelation.  Most everyone is up in arms about water going over the spillway.  It really didn't hit me until just a little while ago:  Way back in the 1950's, the Corp knew this event was going to happen.  Thats why they built the spillway.  We just got complacent, thats all.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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I had a revelation.  Most everyone is up in arms about water going over the spillway.  It really didn't hit me until just a little while ago:  Way back in the 1950's, the Corp knew this event was going to happen.  Thats why they built the spillway.  We just got complacent, thats all.

I don't care what 3X says about you, that's a pretty astute observation.  

And Simms, while the Corps struggled a little bit over the winter in lowering the lake, it reached its target elevation by the end of February.  I had a number of people bend my ear about "how damn high" the river was through end of Nov, December, January, and February.

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Allen --- what is your gut thought regarding :

1 Precip in MT ND during the next two months 
2 Snowmelt in the mountains  (my brother says melt -- its still snowing)

I seen that big swoop in the jet stream that if pushed a little further north and locked --for the whole summer would of made me smile.    I suppose though storms would pop on the western edge of that thing? 

Stay thirsty my friends

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Allen Said:

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What about that event occuring on the "wrong" side of the dikes at Bismarck?  That would be immediate trouble.  Bismarck will have to dodge every thunderstorm for the next month or so. That will be tough if not impossible.  We need George Bush to start strumming the HARP....its our only chance.

Well, one would hope that the city is now prepared with pumps to remove water from the interior drainage in order to be able to get the water up and over the dikes.  Unlike the ice jam of 2009, they've had a little time to prepare some pumps for this event.

Seen pumps set up in Seratoma Park.

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 I loved how high the river was all winter. I had some decent ice fishing at the mouth into Misty waters and Whispering Bay. Again, I am not going to point any fingers but do have questions. It is what it is. 17.1 and rising!!

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Seen pumps set up in Seratoma Park.

pumps may have their hands full with groundwater, leaking dikes, etc.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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I drove over 1 dike and walked over another to get to the broaken oar tonight.  I had one beer, but I wanted to get there one last time before the $hit hits the fan.  My observations were as such:

On the outsides of the channel the water was basically calm

In the middle that water was FLYING, creating a huge current line and indentation between each bridge piling and just putting you in awe at how fast it was going and how turbid it was. 

There are fish everywhere.....

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According to this link the river has never gone to 40. Just under 32ft actually.
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/crests.php?wfo=bis&gage=biwn8
That is unless you mean a gage height of 1640.
Which would be a river rise of about 22 feet from a normal level.

I'm quite certain Tim or someone else posted a table with record crests at Bismarck.  I'm pretty sure the record was 41', with only one year in the top 20 since the dams were built.

I looked back for this table, but could not find it.

Here are the top crests for the river at Bismark;

Historical Crests for Missouri River at Bismarck

(1) 31.60 ft on 03/31/1883
(2) 31.10 ft on 01/01/1887
(3) 30.40 ft on 03/14/1910
(4) 27.90 ft on 04/06/1952
(5) 27.70 ft on 04/08/1897
(6) 27.60 ft on 04/08/1917
(7) 27.40 ft on 01/01/1884
(8) 25.20 ft on 04/14/1899
(9) 22.60 ft on 04/07/1913
(10) 22.50 ft on 03/29/1920
(11) 22.20 ft on 03/28/1939
(12) 22.20 ft on 01/01/1894
(13) 21.86 ft on 04/03/1943
(14) 21.80 ft on 03/29/1947
(15) 21.60 ft on 01/01/1883
(16) 21.20 ft on 04/06/1912
(17) 20.90 ft on 01/01/1888
(18) 19.60 ft on 04/05/1919
(19) 19.60 ft on 03/19/1938
(20) 19.30 ft on 01/01/1896
(21) 19.30 ft on 03/20/1916
(22) 19.20 ft on 01/01/1893
(23) 18.72 ft on 04/17/1950
(24) 18.70 ft on 07/06/1892
(25) 18.60 ft on 03/22/1926
(26) 18.20 ft on 04/07/1904
(27) 17.90 ft on 01/01/1885
(28) 17.80 ft on 03/24/1928
(29) 17.60 ft on 03/23/1918
(30) 17.00 ft on 03/29/1925
(31) 16.90 ft on 04/07/1944
(32) 16.90 ft on 04/02/1906
(33) 16.80 ft on 04/03/1900
(34) 16.60 ft on 04/02/1930
(35) 16.50 ft on 03/20/1936
(36) 16.40 ft on 04/06/1903
(37) 16.30 ft on 01/01/1891
(38) 16.21 ft on 04/06/1949
(39) 16.11 ft on 03/24/2009
(40) 16.00 ft on 04/05/1951
(41) 14.80 ft on 01/13/1983
(42) 14.58 ft on 12/18/1980
(43) 14.44 ft on 01/01/1989
(44) 14.24 ft on 07/13/1975
(45) 13.66 ft on 03/25/1997
(46) 12.37 ft on 04/19/1979
(47) 10.72 ft on 01/12/2010

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ohh...it was 31 not 41...I must be getting old and forgetful.  In other words, 11 feet higher than we're talking now?

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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I had a revelation.  Most everyone is up in arms about water going over the spillway.  It really didn't hit me until just a little while ago:  Way back in the 1950's, the Corp knew this event was going to happen.  Thats why they built the spillway.  We just got complacent, thats all.

I don't care what 3X says about you, that's a pretty astute observation.  

I'm not sure how to take that comment....either sacrastic or a compliment?

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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 I got an air tour this morning. All I can say is........WOW! will try to post some video I took and some pics.

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I don't care what 3X says about you, that's a pretty astute observation.  

I'm not sure how to take that comment....either sacrastic or a compliment?

Compliment. 

But yes, it does leave people scratching their heads.  3X is probably now wondering why I'm trying to start trouble between you two.  

“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain

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 I got an air tour this morning. All I can say is........WOW! will try to post some video I took and some pics.

Jesus man, don't tell me you went for a ride with Bob!  You have kids and a family to take care of.... 

“Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ~ Mark Twain

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 Well the shit is hitting the fan. I drove down Sibley Drive last night and was going to my neighborhood. We could not make it. About 2.5 feet of water surrounding my home. The river came up over the road at the corner of South 12th and Oahe  Bend. It appeared to travel East to a low spot and headed south following a low area. If the water comes up to 20 feet many homes will be inundated. My neighbor put up sandbags and the water has breached them. The low area heads to Briardale. There apparently is already lots of water on the south end. Today they said that shortly Sibley Drive will  be closed due to the water. 

It is going to be a long summer.

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My dad Bob not Bobkat. 

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simmsjs Said:
 I got an air tour this morning. All I can say is........WOW! will try to post some video I took and some pics.

Jesus man, don't tell me you went for a ride with Bob!  You have kids and a family to take care of.... 

IT IS BETTER TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS THAN ASK FOR PERMISSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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But would fly with Bobkat as well. This was my first time in the air in 14 yrs. Awesome ride!! 

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simmsjs Said:
 I got an air tour this morning. All I can say is........WOW! will try to post some video I took and some pics.

Jesus man, don't tell me you went for a ride with Bob!  You have kids and a family to take care of.... 

IT IS BETTER TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS THAN ASK FOR PERMISSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Allen Said:

Compliment. 

But yes, it does leave people scratching their heads.  3X is probably now wondering why I'm trying to start trouble between you two.  

Well, thank you.  Sometimes I see things a little differently than others.

And ol gutshot does have grounds to bash me a bit....I have wronged him a few times by being a little "quicker on the trigger", when it wasn't technically my turn to shoot.  But that'll learn em to be slow.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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14 years since you have been flying ?! Whats wrong with you!? lol 

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But would fly with Bobkat as well. This was my first time in the air in 14 yrs. Awesome ride!! 
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simmsjs Said:
 I got an air tour this morning. All I can say is........WOW! will try to post some video I took and some pics.

Jesus man, don't tell me you went for a ride with Bob!  You have kids and a family to take care of.... 

 

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Too busy either working or fishing.

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Well, one of these days, once im out of school for good we are going to have to go up more often. Nothing better than getting out for low and slow flight over the rivers, lakes, and hills of nodak. Simply amazing.  

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Too busy either working or fishing.

 

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alright, look me up. 

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Well, one of these days, once im out of school for good we are going to have to go up more often. Nothing better than getting out for low and slow flight over the rivers, lakes, and hills of nodak. Simply amazing.  
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Too busy either working or fishing.

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North and South of Bismarck is heartbreaking right now.  Thank the good Lord that the scouring is helping  us pass water, we are barely over 17 feet for the last few days.   I am going to go ahead and pass my guess that 150KCFS at bismarck will be about 19.5 feet at the gague we are all going by.   

I think within the Bismarck city limits things will be fine,  I am sincerly concerned about rural Burleigh/Morton and unsure what the best course of action as to assist

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Armstrong's comment on facebook --- We have already lost 1,000 homes and displaced 4,000 people here. 

i didnt make it down this weekend -im sorry i didnt now - wow --- 1k homes is that correct?  Short

Stay thirsty my friends

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This may take a bit of the guesswork out of predicting crests.
Lets just hope everything maintains the trend its on now.
On the attached link click the Current-stage discharge rating link right below the ACOE logo.
But guess a stage first...

http://nwis.waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?site_no=06342500

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