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My comments were not meant to knock Fargo in any way.  I could care less what city fills more sandbags.  The Fargo flood fight is a comparision people can understand and relate to.  I said it to show how large of an operation people in the Bismarck area are dealing with.  And, yes, I expect it to be above 6 million if you include all the sandbags being filled outside of the city sponsored sites.  I helped for four days on a project in one neighborhood and the neighborhood leader estimated we filled 350,000 bags.  This was not that big of an area and all the sand was paid for privately and all the bags were filled on site.  There are many areas in town and in the county doing the same thing.  Good luck out there everyone...it is wet and windy out there today.

I figured this much, either way it sucks.
My house would have not been affected by the Fargo flood, But I figured if it breaks that dike along the river, then I'll have problems. so that made me chip in.

It is sad to hear of the people that don't care and don't help, if your not handicapped or elderly then maybe you should get off the couch and help somone who is.


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Not much for text reports on rainfall.  This is an analysis of the last three days:

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ridge2/RFC_Precip/index.php?site=bis&lat=47.4&lon=-100&zoom=3

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Here is a link that provides Corp releases:

The situation in the Missouri River basin continues to deteriorate due to heavy rain in eastern Montana and western North Dakota, necessitating higher releases from the Missouri River Dams and Reservoirs to evacuate stored flood waters.

In expectation of continued high runoff, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers will release a daily bulletin detailing releases and levels for both dams. Conditions in the Missouri River basin are changing rapidly, so forecast releases are subject to change with little notice.

The link below connects to an RSS feed. The most recent item will list on top. It will open an Adobe acrobat file.

http://usacearmy.pr-optout.com/Url.aspx?520028x619490x1110570


 

 

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swanson Said:

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taylorman_55 Said:
 but the residents of Bismarck have tainted my thoughts of what our North Dakota values are. 

Though I agree with you that it is ridiculous that some people are unwilling to help fight the flood because the water has not directly affected them yet, but to speak of the residents of bismarck as a whole "tainting" your thoughts of ND values is way out of line.

Try telling that to the thousands of people who have been busting their ass for the last week without a break.

I do apologize to many bismarck residents for my comment. I did not write everything that i needed to say, but instead went off on a hate tangent. Do not get me wrong, I truly appreciate the people who are working their ASS' off in Bismarck. But when there are sandbag centers in Fargo, that had to turn ppl away, because there is 1000+ people there during the flood this spring, and then they cant even get 40 people to fill at a single station in Bismarck, that number, in itself, is showing A LOT.

YEAH BUUUUDDDY!

my brother said the same thing (lives in BIS) he said its BS the bars were still busy with people that didn't care because theirs houses were not affected, that is sooooooo sad

I would imagine a some of the people in the bars have been sandbagging and are just taking a break. I sure hope no one went to church yesterday! Lazy bastards!!!

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Guys and gals, people all react different, in Fargo for example even during the height of the 09 flood, we had a lot of people going to West Acres etc... Not everyone pitches in, nor will they. I know it rubs many the wrong way especially those out putting in an effort to help when they have nothing to lose.

I have helped sand bag in GF,Fargo,Jamestown,Whap,just to name a few as well as many rural homes. I worked beside people that traveled hundreds of miles to put forth an effort to help. Yet people in our own communities did nothing.

The thing is there are more people willing than there are people not and that is what one should focus on. I harken it back to being a rural volunteer fire fighter. We got called out many a time to fires at farms and fields of people that where not volunteers, nor would they support any fund raisers for equipment etc... Made no difference to us we still went out and did what was needed!

God bless those doing what is needed! Physically I am out of that game anymore, simply cannot do it.

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Holy monster downpour in Minot.  If this hit Bismarck it would destroy spirits and make everything a muck hole.  Minot is going to have major storm water problems.  Should make the news interesting at 6 pm.

More big thunderstorms firing to the south of I-94.  Montana getting blasted again with slow moving showers with a lot of beef in them.  It is unbelievable.


 

 

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Hardwaterman Said:
Guys and gals, people all react different, in Fargo for example even during the height of the 09 flood, we had a lot of people going to West Acres etc... Not everyone pitches in, nor will they. I know it rubs many the wrong way especially those out putting in an effort to help when they have nothing to lose.

I have helped sand bag in GF,Fargo,Jamestown,Whap,just to name a few as well as many rural homes. I worked beside people that traveled hundreds of miles to put forth an effort to help. Yet people in our own communities did nothing.

The thing is there are more people willing than there are people not and that is what one should focus on. I harken it back to being a rural volunteer fire fighter. We got called out many a time to fires at farms and fields of people that where not volunteers, nor would they support any fund raisers for equipment etc... Made no difference to us we still went out and did what was needed!

God bless those doing what is needed! Physically I am out of that game anymore, simply cannot do it.

Jesus, I would hope so!

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
Holy monster downpour in Minot.  If this hit Bismarck it would destroy spirits and make everything a muck hole.  Minot is going to have major storm water problems.  Should make the news interesting at 6 pm.

More big thunderstorms firing to the south of I-94.  Montana getting blasted again with slow moving showers with a lot of beef in them.  It is unbelievable.

We've easily received a half inch in less than a half hour. 

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AT 240 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED
THUNDERSTORMS WITH HEAVY RAIN ACROSS THE ADVISORY AREA. MINOR
REPORTS OF FLOODING HAVE BEEN REPORTED...WITH ONE INCH OF RAIN
REPORTED IN THE LAST ONE HOUR OVER THE ADVISORY AREA.


 

 

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Bismarck businesses are going to need continued support from surrounding communities. Worse thing that could happen is getting hit by this flood, and then getting hit by alot less business due to people worried that if they are shopping or going out in Bis. that they are percieved as lazy and not helping the cause. Will be going up tomorrow to help a friend move. For what its worth there are a few U-hauls down here in Mobridge yet, I heard there were none left in any of the other towns within a 100 or so miles of Bis.

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In regards to the previous 3 pages of bitching I'll just say this.

An event like this always brings out both the best and worst in people.

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I was driving around last night on the south side. I cant believe the number of houses I see with 2-3ft sandbag walls around them. People are still building them, even in the area within the city dikes. These people are using sandbags that are desperately needed by those not in the 'safe' zone. Why is the city allowing this? Do these people not understand that if the big city dikes fail, a 2 foot wall around their house is going to do nothing to stop the water. If you live in the 'safe' area and already have all your belongings moved up or out and still feel like doing something preventative, go help someone who needs it, outside of the protected area.

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I was driving around last night on the south side. I cant believe the number of houses I see with 2-3ft sandbag walls around them. People are still building them, even in the area within the city dikes. These people are using sandbags that are desperately needed by those not in the 'safe' zone. Why is the city allowing this? Do these people not understand that if the big city dikes fail, a 2 foot wall around their house is going to do nothing to stop the water. If you live in the 'safe' area and already have all your belongings moved up or out and still feel like doing something preventative, go help someone who needs it, outside of the protected area.

I rest my case.........

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According to NWS storm total precip loop, areas near Glasgow have gotten over 2 inches of rain in the last few hours....

radar.weather.gov/radar.php

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I don't know if I could fault people for wanting to protect their property.  This is such an unknown event that to me, I'd do the same and protect my property.

Heck, Minot has gotten probably close to two inches in as many hours.  Wow has this line of rain setup and running right through Minot.  Flash flood warning now.


 

 

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In areas west of williston, yellowstone and missouri basins,  some have received three inches plus in the past 24 hours.

 

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Tim Sandstrom Said:
I don't know if I could fault people for wanting to protect their property.  This is such an unknown event that to me, I'd do the same and protect my property.

Heck, Minot has gotten probably close to two inches in as many hours.  Wow has this line of rain setup and running right through Minot.  Flash flood warning now.

A coordinated, unified effort will get more for everyone than a fragmented effort. And not just once in awhile, every single time.

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Man the Billings and surrounding area sure got pounded again..

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid=BLX&product=NTP&overlay=11101111&loop=yes

 

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My earlier post I remarked that I was suprised by the lack of volunteers on Saturday. Well I went down there today and there had to be ten times the amount of people than the last time I was there. Not sure why but I was very impressed. Hope this keeps up.

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Lycanthrope Said:
I was driving around last night on the south side. I cant believe the number of houses I see with 2-3ft sandbag walls around them. People are still building them, even in the area within the city dikes. These people are using sandbags that are desperately needed by those not in the 'safe' zone. Why is the city allowing this? Do these people not understand that if the big city dikes fail, a 2 foot wall around their house is going to do nothing to stop the water. If you live in the 'safe' area and already have all your belongings moved up or out and still feel like doing something preventative, go help someone who needs it, outside of the protected area.

Think it through... if the river gets past the dykes everyone is screwed anyway the reasoning behind all these people  still protecting their property in the "protected area" is probably because their houses are being diked in with drainages that are no longer being allowed to drain into the river and all the crazy rain totals we keep getting. I have been helping sandbag for five days now and have no problem with the people in the "protected area" still wanting to sandbag for protection... just my .02

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I'd also like to thank all the volunteers that I have seen doing their part.... The National Guard has been doing a fantastic job and so has the Red Cross...some amazing things going on right now in the Bismarck-Mandan area if you just start opening your eyes..... Good luck to everyone involved in this fight

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Well, I just finished sandbagging another neighborhood for 8 hrs today... another family member of a friends friend...  it was inside the area around Riverwood golf course. We had about 30 or people who built a sandbag dike around hald the block. 

I feel for these people for sure, with the conflicting information coming out of our leadership the void of transparancy has put people into a panic because they are genuinely afraid that they can not truct the information and must take matters into their own hands. 

I am not going to judge anyone for feeling this way having been involved in fighting this flood for the last week and standing next to homeowners from Sandy River Lane, Ponderosa, Riverwood, Briardale... as we either removed cabinets, furnace, flooring, trim, doors, family photos and personal belongings, hot water heaters... stripped them to paint and cement... or built dikes in a neighborhood inside the protected zone. I ask no question that doesn't pertain to getting the work done.

The one thing that everyone can agree on is that there are several areas that we can and will learn from this disaster to better protect ourselves, our families, our neighbors and our community. 

Keep your chins up... turn the cheek and help a person in need whether you agree with it or not, there will be time to judge it all when it's done. Our community and it's people are going to be pushed to limit on this one...

 

 

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A potential reason for lack of volunteers could very well be that there are so many people helping friends, family and people they don't even know move or prepare dikes around there property.

Think about the number of people that you see in these neighborhoods when you go through them... there are a lot of people working on these projects.

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Amen marauder Amen

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I have a 2009 cougar fifth wheel camper  that sleeps 6 if anybody needs to borrow it to stay in till this is all over, i would be happy to lend it, pm me

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marauder29 Said:
A potential reason for lack of volunteers could very well be that there are so many people helping friends, family and people they don't even know move or prepare dikes around there property.

Think about the number of people that you see in these neighborhoods when you go through them... there are a lot of people working on these projects.

I agree.   Lots of people out and about but sadly many of the sand bad dikes are of sub par construction and are nearly worthless.   I was part of an engineering team today reviewing certain areas and left shaking my head.   I saw hay bales used and sloppy bag construction.  

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does anybody have totals on the MT rains for the past 48 hours?   I seen yours eyexer i just want to see the total.   

Hardwater -- fyi - west acres was closed.  all non essential business were closed -- period during the fargo flood - businesses lost alot of money and spent money for private dikes etc etc.  You were not allowed to drive on so many streets that bascially the town shut down.   Enough about the fargo flood --- it was histroric --- we will leave it at that.  

The trust needs to be regained.  At least on the dikes that are being built.   Push for secondary dikes to be built - - bring in outside contractors.  

The river dropped today ---to bad it had to rain    iwb back down a few days.  

 

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I have a 2004 25' Sprinter 5th wheel that I would
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have to come to Dickinson to pick it up and get the
propane tanks filled, but it's pretty much ready to go.
I have 2 12 volt batteries for it that are both in good
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Anyone pm me if you know of anyone that may
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SHORTHAIRSRUS Said:
does anybody have totals on the MT rains for the past 48 hours?   I seen yours eyexer i just want to see the total.   

Hardwater -- fyi - west acres was closed.  all non essential business were closed -- period during the fargo flood - businesses lost alot of money and spent money for private dikes etc etc.  You were not allowed to drive on so many streets that bascially the town shut down.   Enough about the fargo flood --- it was histroric --- we will leave it at that.  

The trust needs to be regained.  At least on the dikes that are being built.   Push for secondary dikes to be built - - bring in outside contractors.  

The river dropped today ---to bad it had to rain    iwb back down a few days.  

 

check out this accuweather 24 hr precip map.   Some big rain amounts by Great Falls.
http://www.accuweather.com/us/radar/24hr/mt_/radar.asp

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Fort Peck couldn't have liked this..
Todays storm totals for the Glasgow area.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?product=NTP&rid=ggw&loop=yes

 

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