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 Easy solution. Don't drive like a dumb ass. It was a rock. Not like it jumped out in front of him.

That's like saying "guy shouldn't have slammed on his brakes" after someone rear ends someone.  
 
Yeah...maybe he shouldn't have slammed on his brakes, but the fact the guy rear ended him trumped the stupidity of slamming on brakes.
 
In this case, the dumbass farmer (if he intentionally put the rock there), trumps the dumbass warden for not paying attention.  

So...I think he should be sued.  

You just made my point. The guy that does the rear ending is always at fault. Consider the rock was slamming on its brakes. The warden rear-ended the rock.

Appears to be a lot of rear ending going on in this thread

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"trails" thru cropland are not considered established trails.

Who said anything about driving off the section line and through a standing crop?  Pretty sure it wasn't I.

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Umm at the current prices of land a nuclear pharmacist couldnt afford to buy land.

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 at the end of the day, if you are going onto posted land (OWNED BY OTHERS WHO DON'T WANT YOU THERE) ,and find it posted, please go somewhere else... 

does this really need to be this complicated???

SOMEONE ELSE OWNS IT!!!

THEY BOUGHT IT!!!

THEY PAY TAXES ON IT!!!

THEY INSURE IT AGAINST PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO WILL SUE THEM FOR SOMETHING STUPID!!! 

THIS IS AMERICA!!!      IF YOU WANT SOME PRIME HUNTING LAND TO HUNT... GO BUY IT!!!!!!!!!!

DON'T EXPECT ME TO BUY IT FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Spunky were you watching  season 8 of trailer park boys when this was written?

Looks like they are not so rich after all:

http://www1.salary.com/Nuclear-Pharmacist-salary.html

I suppose $120k a year is indeed an underwhelming figure compared to the average 21st century farmer.... or Bakken water hauler.

Hey, I know, let's get a thread going where we all bitch about who makes what?

Just kidding. Count me OUT of that debate.

 

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"trails" thru cropland are not considered established trails.

Who said anything about driving off the section line and through a standing crop?  Pretty sure it wasn't I.

what if crops are planted on section line? Could you drive then?

 

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 No!  Why would anyone drive on planted crops?

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Allen Said:

gst Said:
"trails" thru cropland are not considered established trails.

Who said anything about driving off the section line and through a standing crop?  Pretty sure it wasn't I.

what if crops are planted on section line? Could you drive then?

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Captain Ahab Said:

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ChetSpilunkey Said:
Umm at the current prices of land a nuclear pharmacist couldnt afford to buy land.

Foamit Said:
 at the end of the day, if you are going onto posted land (OWNED BY OTHERS WHO DON'T WANT YOU THERE) ,and find it posted, please go somewhere else... 

does this really need to be this complicated???

SOMEONE ELSE OWNS IT!!!

THEY BOUGHT IT!!!

THEY PAY TAXES ON IT!!!

THEY INSURE IT AGAINST PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO WILL SUE THEM FOR SOMETHING STUPID!!! 

THIS IS AMERICA!!!      IF YOU WANT SOME PRIME HUNTING LAND TO HUNT... GO BUY IT!!!!!!!!!!

DON'T EXPECT ME TO BUY IT FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Spunky were you watching  season 8 of trailer park boys when this was written?

Looks like they are not so rich after all:

http://www1.salary.com/Nuclear-Pharmacist-salary.html

I suppose $120k a year is indeed an underwhelming figure compared to the average 21st century farmer.... or Bakken water hauler.

Hey, I know, let's get a thread going where we all bitch about who makes what?

Just kidding. Count me OUT of that debate.

Haha, I hear ya.  The funny thing is there are welders out west with barely a high school diploma making a hefty bit more than a nuclear pharmacist.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."

"The constitution only gives people the right to pursue hapiness.  You have to catch it yourself."

"Well done is better than well said."

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

All by:  Benjamin Franklin.

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BTW, most farmers are great guys just trying to make a living.  You won't hear me complaining about them in general.  There are a few here and there that sure cause a ruccus though.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."

"The constitution only gives people the right to pursue hapiness.  You have to catch it yourself."

"Well done is better than well said."

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

All by:  Benjamin Franklin.

"The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the bigger the problem, the longer the trip should be."

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what if crops are planted on section line? Could you drive then?

Yes. seen fish n wildlife guys do it. 

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Haha, I hear ya.  The funny thing is there are welders out west with barely a high school diploma making a hefty bit more than a nuclear pharmacist.

Ah yes - but what is the salary of the nuclear pharmacists in the Bakken?!

 

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Haha, I hear ya.  The funny thing is there are welders out west with barely a high school diploma making a hefty bit more than a nuclear pharmacist.

Ah yes - but what is the salary of the nuclear pharmacists in the Bakken?!

Probably a bazillion. 

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."

"The constitution only gives people the right to pursue hapiness.  You have to catch it yourself."

"Well done is better than well said."

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

All by:  Benjamin Franklin.

"The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the bigger the problem, the longer the trip should be."

Author: John Gierach

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BTW, most farmers are great guys just trying to make a living.  You won't hear me complaining about them in general.  There are a few here and there that sure cause a ruccus though.

yep - and lots of total slob/pig hunters too

basically hunters and farmers are a slice of humanity with enough good ones and totally bastaged ones to make it interesting

 

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"trails" thru cropland are not considered established trails.

Who said anything about driving off the section line and through a standing crop?  Pretty sure it wasn't I.

what if crops are planted on section line? Could you drive then?

Legally?  YES. 

Section lines are open to public travel.  It doesn't matter if there is a road there or not.  The only exception is if the County/Township has closed that particular section line.

Should you?  I'd say you better have a damn good reason to go there.

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guywhofishes Said:

Captain Ahab Said:
BTW, most farmers are great guys just trying to make a living.  You won't hear me complaining about them in general.  There are a few here and there that sure cause a ruccus though.

yep - and lots of total slob/pig hunters too

basically hunters and farmers are a slice of humanity with enough good ones and totally bastaged ones to make it interesting

Agreed.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."

"The constitution only gives people the right to pursue hapiness.  You have to catch it yourself."

"Well done is better than well said."

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

All by:  Benjamin Franklin.

"The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the bigger the problem, the longer the trip should be."

Author: John Gierach

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I waited to jump into this, wanted to see how posts would play out. It really amazes me on the ignorance of so many regarding section lines and beyond that this issue as to liability and fault.

I have been fortunate to hunt on this landowners property for a number of years. Never an issue. I traveled down this section line numerous times last fall as well. Yes he did place a large rock on the right of way. It was placed next to a tree as stated that mother nature had deposited.

Without the rock the warden would have damaged his truck as well hitting the tree or bush whatever you want to call it. There was plenty of room to safely travel this trail even at a higher rate of speed had the warden been paying attention period.  Travel tracks where clear and easy to follow.

To me this is a very poor decision by the parties that chose to pursue this against the landowner. It also demonstrates the over zealous attitude this warden has. To not be operating his vehicle in a safe and reasonable manner when there was no emergency nor any call of a violation taking place falls directly on his shoulders. 

I realize that the advent of satellite photos can establish when something was deposited on the section line, but when have we as people lost our common sense.

So while this thread has like so many others degenerated, only a handful really are getting the ignorance of this. I have my opinion on why this was pursued, I have no proof to back it up. I also would hope that someone pursue who made the call on seeking legal action against the landowner. That tidbit would be the most telling in my view.

There are a lot of people who have intentionally tried to obstruct the use of section lines by ripping them up, parking machinery or even stacking round bales for moving across them. These people should be the target, Mr Bear may have technically been wrong but he certainly did not impede or restrict use of that section line to anyone wanting to travel it and that is the key!!! I wonder how many times the wardens where able to traverse to do a field check because Mr Bear and others put in and maintain culverts on section lines or filled in rutted areas and smoothed them down. Granted this benefits them, but they could easily run temp trails through the fields eliminating their use from GW as well. This is one of the most ignorant things our state officials regarding landowners has undertaken!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Allen Said:

gst Said:
"trails" thru cropland are not considered established trails.

Who said anything about driving off the section line and through a standing crop?  Pretty sure it wasn't I.

what if crops are planted on section line? Could you drive then?

Legally?  YES. 

Section lines are open to public travel.  It doesn't matter if there is a road there or not.  The only exception is if the County/Township has closed that particular section line.

Should you?  I'd say you better have a damn good reason to go there.

Do plots books show closed section lines ?      I think if a section line has been closed it should be marked as closed at both ends with a sign, other wise they are free for all .   Our grandparents signed easements and paid taxes  for us to be able drive down a section line. It was a good thing for many years , what has ruined it for everybody is the invention of four wheel drive and lack of common sense.  Instead of staying off them when they are wet there are weekend warriors that will head down them just for the sake of four wheeling .   

 

 

 

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I waited to jump into this, wanted to see how posts would play out. It really amazes me on the ignorance of so many regarding section lines and beyond that this issue as to liability and fault.

I have been fortunate to hunt on this landowners property for a number of years. Never an issue. I traveled down this section line numerous times last fall as well. Yes he did place a large rock on the right of way. It was placed next to a tree as stated that mother nature had deposited.

Without the rock the warden would have damaged his truck as well hitting the tree or bush whatever you want to call it. There was plenty of room to safely travel this trail even at a higher rate of speed had the warden been paying attention period.  Travel tracks where clear and easy to follow.

To me this is a very poor decision by the parties that chose to pursue this against the landowner. It also demonstrates the over zealous attitude this warden has. To not be operating his vehicle in a safe and reasonable manner when there was no emergency nor any call of a violation taking place falls directly on his shoulders. 

I realize that the advent of satellite photos can establish when something was deposited on the section line, but when have we as people lost our common sense.

So while this thread has like so many others degenerated, only a handful really are getting the ignorance of this. I have my opinion on why this was pursued, I have no proof to back it up. I also would hope that someone pursue who made the call on seeking legal action against the landowner. That tidbit would be the most telling in my view.

There are a lot of people who have intentionally tried to obstruct the use of section lines by ripping them up, parking machinery or even stacking round bales for moving across them. These people should be the target, Mr Bear may have technically been wrong but he certainly did not impede or restrict use of that section line to anyone wanting to travel it and that is the key!!! I wonder how many times the wardens where able to traverse to do a field check because Mr Bear and others put in and maintain culverts on section lines or filled in rutted areas and smoothed them down. Granted this benefits them, but they could easily run temp trails through the fields eliminating their use from GW as well. This is one of the most ignorant things our state officials regarding landowners has undertaken!!

stop the presses gst and hardwater agree on a topic.  Hell is freezing and the vikings now have a chance at the superbowl

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Hardwaterman Said:
I waited to jump into this, wanted to see how posts would play out. It really amazes me on the ignorance of so many regarding section lines and beyond that this issue as to liability and fault.

I have been fortunate to hunt on this landowners property for a number of years. Never an issue. I traveled down this section line numerous times last fall as well. Yes he did place a large rock on the right of way. It was placed next to a tree as stated that mother nature had deposited.

Without the rock the warden would have damaged his truck as well hitting the tree or bush whatever you want to call it. There was plenty of room to safely travel this trail even at a higher rate of speed had the warden been paying attention period.  Travel tracks where clear and easy to follow.

To me this is a very poor decision by the parties that chose to pursue this against the landowner. It also demonstrates the over zealous attitude this warden has. To not be operating his vehicle in a safe and reasonable manner when there was no emergency nor any call of a violation taking place falls directly on his shoulders. 

I realize that the advent of satellite photos can establish when something was deposited on the section line, but when have we as people lost our common sense.

So while this thread has like so many others degenerated, only a handful really are getting the ignorance of this. I have my opinion on why this was pursued, I have no proof to back it up. I also would hope that someone pursue who made the call on seeking legal action against the landowner. That tidbit would be the most telling in my view.

There are a lot of people who have intentionally tried to obstruct the use of section lines by ripping them up, parking machinery or even stacking round bales for moving across them. These people should be the target, Mr Bear may have technically been wrong but he certainly did not impede or restrict use of that section line to anyone wanting to travel it and that is the key!!! I wonder how many times the wardens where able to traverse to do a field check because Mr Bear and others put in and maintain culverts on section lines or filled in rutted areas and smoothed them down. Granted this benefits them, but they could easily run temp trails through the fields eliminating their use from GW as well. This is one of the most ignorant things our state officials regarding landowners has undertaken!!

  Thanks for some first hand information.      Sort of what I thought all along.     Living proof that if you ever think your going to beat the state /county/township in a courtroom it's important to know that common sense can be brainwashed out of a jury. 

 

 

 

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people who needlessly four-wheel and tear the crap out of farm roads and fields is a huge pet peeve of mine, really grinds my gears when I see it

 

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A number of years ago I was traveling down a prairie trail with high grass and hit a rock that had been placed in the middle in the grass (for a reason to remind assholes like I was at the moment that there is no hunting here).
Knew it so ended up only replacing the oil pan.
But guess I was were I should not of been and never cross my mind to sue the farmer for damage. Just glad to get out of there without him knowing I was there.  You do not build good relationships that way.
My father planted right up to the section line as did the neighbor.  I feel if someone had driven on the crop he would have the right to do that but be prepared for the chewing out that would happen.
Out west public land surrounded by private land and the owners said I could not go down the section line to get to their private hunting ground on public land.  A lot of assholes besides me out there.
Had a section line that had a slough across it.  By the term cartway felt the section line did go around the slough and the courts did agree.
But as a small land owner who works and lives in town.  The farmer by his action does not want you on his land.  I do not care what the law says you can do but please respect his/her wishes.  Life is to short. 
I have found working with land owners I have all the land I can hunt on with my bow and have even been offer more places to hunt. 
My son moved to a different place and as a stranger in a community found the same to be true. Two way street. db
By the way all you bow hunters showing off you big bucks are not helping our relationship with gun hunters who already condemn us for what we have.  I do enjoy seeing your success and hopefully I find one and am able to harvest to.

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people who needlessly four-wheel and tear the crap out of farm roads and fields is a huge pet peeve of mine, really grinds my gears when I see it

That trait is universal and not limited to people hunting!! The section line between our property and the neighbor is a mess right now. Worked on it some yesterday to help out making it passable for our renters. The people who own the land and operate the land are not who have torn this two miles up. It is others who to avoid driving good gravel an extra   miles to check fields are the ones. They do not use it for moving grain, cattle or hay. But when it rains they are the first ones to travel down it.

I have many times wanted to OBSTRUCT THIS SECTION LINE ON DAYS OF RAIN OR JUST AFTER TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THEM!!!  

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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I don't think he was talking about people hunting. It's really bad out here now, amazing how many times I hear "I'm fixin' to bring mah muddin' truck up her!" These guys cheer on the rain and head down any trail they can find, it's insane. 

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people who needlessly four-wheel and tear the crap out of farm roads and fields is a huge pet peeve of mine, really grinds my gears when I see it

That trait is universal and not limited to people hunting!! The section line between our property and the neighbor is a mess right now. Worked on it some yesterday to help out making it passable for our renters. The people who own the land and operate the land are not who have torn this two miles up. It is others who to avoid driving good gravel an extra   miles to check fields are the ones. They do not use it for moving grain, cattle or hay. But when it rains they are the first ones to travel down it.

I have many times wanted to OBSTRUCT THIS SECTION LINE ON DAYS OF RAIN OR JUST AFTER TO SEND A MESSAGE TO THEM!!!  

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I'm pretty sure tickets/fines are being handed out in Cass County for mudding on roads/fields these days. Not sure what laws they are citing when enforcing.

 

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 All I know is around here, if you wanted to drive 33 feet on either side of a section line trail, your truck would be wrecked within a mile. We have rocks. Granted not placed there, unless you want to sue the glacier that put them there. This sounds like a warden that thinks a $20 ticket is comparable to murder. Why go flying down a section line. Just wait at the trucks till the guys get back. 

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I did learn one new thing in these 8 pages, there really is such an occupation as nuclear scientist.  I'll be damned, slap my ass and call me spanky.

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I wonder how many times the locals are going to ask this warden if he seen any rocks this fall when he is out checking people on the trails

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I did learn one new thing in these 8 pages, there really is such an occupation as nuclear scientist.  I'll be damned, slap my ass and call me spanky.

you mean nuclear pharmacist?  nuclear gynocologist

 

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I wonder how many times the locals are going to ask this warden if he seen any rocks this fall when he is out checking people on the trails

I bet he is checking fewer people just to not hear that line.  Ha ha.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."

"The constitution only gives people the right to pursue hapiness.  You have to catch it yourself."

"Well done is better than well said."

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

All by:  Benjamin Franklin.

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Colt Said:
I did learn one new thing in these 8 pages, there really is such an occupation as nuclear scientist.  I'll be damned, slap my ass and call me spanky.

you mean nuclear pharmacist?  nuclear gynocologist

Darn it.  Wasn't paying enough attention, I meant to type Nuclear Pharmacist.

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I guess the judge or jury will decide whether the landowner is guilty.

Then we'll know for sure. 

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I guess the judge or jury will decide whether the landowner is guilty.

Then we'll know for sure. 

He was convicted July 2, 2014.  Class B Misdemeanor.  $750 fine and $12,000 restitution.  Not sure what appeal rights he has or if he has any plans.

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