Game warden runs into rock on a section line. Farmer in trouble

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lates 70's chevy? and looks like a badass little ice fishing rig 

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Not a Bronco, hahahah. Since you had the haha in your reply..I can tell the disdain in your reply just like half the so called sportsman have disdain for landowners on here. Just how I see it. Keep posting pics of big deer though. It's impressive.  
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You don't happen to be one of those guys that can't get on land to hunt do you? 

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     One morning in mid March, Farmer Brown is driving to town in his brand new Ford King Ranch to have coffee with his other farming buddies. He just picked up his truck from the ford dealer a few days earlier as a result of a bumper crop last fall and he needed a tax wright off.
 
     Meanwhile, city slicker Joe's wife, a real nag, has been hounding on him to get this big decorative rock out of their front yard that she just had to have a few years back. So Joe calls a few of his buddies to come over and help him load this rock into his pickup box. Joe get's out of town a ways and decided to drop the rock right on the side of the blacktop road that heads right to Farmer Brown's house. It's not right on the heavily worn tracks on the blacktop, but right on the edge of the road where the white stripe is, maybe just a little inside of it.  Joe heads back to town to finish some more odd jobs.

      Farmer brown gets his fill of coffee and decides to head back to the ranch. On the way home he looks out on his pasture of bred heifers and notices betsy is acting a little strange. He takes his focus off the road just long enough and BAM!!,   smokes the rock that city slicker Joe negligently placed on the route of travel. This is a very well traveled road and about 25 cars had gone by and were able to avoid the object on the road. 

     You can bet that Farmer brown would be looking for the responsible party that placed the object on the road that was never there before. There is not a whole lot of difference in this story. The rock was negligently placed there. Do you think Farmer brown is a retard for running into the rock?

Haha, of coarse I have land to hunt, that's why I have deer in my pictures and not broncos.  I didn't diss any farmers. I come from many generations of them..

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so the way the law reads is that as a farmer if i do anything that impeeds travel down a section line i am liable.  i try to maintain the lines that i used to get to and from my fields, sometimes in the fall i take a disc and  tare up the line to level out the tracks,badager holes, etc.   so i work it up  and it rains and u are dumb enough to drove on it , get stuck rip your transmission out i would be held liable if had i left it sod and full of holes you could have traveled it . so i made the section line now untravelable.    as a farmer one of my biggest pet peeves is when someone drives on the section lines right after it rains,  most people know not to and most are good about it , but it never seems to fail always one person that does.    just seems some have no common curtisy for anyone,  and always looking for someone else to blame for there mistakes.    GEES   CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG LIFE IS TO SHORT. TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WANT TO BE TREATED  where is the respect for each other. be gratefull for the wonderful opertunities we have in this great state

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so the way the law reads is that as a farmer if i do anything that impeeds travel down a section line i am liable.  i try to maintain the lines that i used to get to and from my fields, sometimes in the fall i take a disc and  tare up the line to level out the tracks,badager holes, etc.   so i work it up  and it rains and u are dumb enough to drove on it , get stuck rip your transmission out i would be held liable if had i left it sod and full of holes you could have traveled it . so i made the section line now untravelable.    as a farmer one of my biggest pet peeves is when someone drives on the section lines right after it rains,  most people know not to and most are good about it , but it never seems to fail always one person that does.    just seems some have no common curtisy for anyone,  and always looking for someone else to blame for there mistakes.    GEES   CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG LIFE IS TO SHORT. TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WANT TO BE TREATED  where is the respect for each other. be gratefull for the wonderful opertunities we have in this great state

as a city slicker this is one of my pet peeves too!

I think this thread does a lot of cherry-picking of both bad attitudes/opinions and citing nasty examples

in my experience 95% of farmers and hunters are good people, treat each other decently, and see eye to eye

that said.... those few % left over on each side can have a great impact

one bad apple spoils the bunch

you don't hear the 100 stories of people being generous and helpful to each other while just one bad example spreads like wildfire

 

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so the way the law reads is that as a farmer if i do anything that impeeds travel down a section line i am liable.  i try to maintain the lines that i used to get to and from my fields, sometimes in the fall i take a disc and  tare up the line to level out the tracks,badager holes, etc.   so i work it up  and it rains and u are dumb enough to drove on it , get stuck rip your transmission out i would be held liable if had i left it sod and full of holes you could have traveled it . so i made the section line now untravelable.    as a farmer one of my biggest pet peeves is when someone drives on the section lines right after it rains,  most people know not to and most are good about it , but it never seems to fail always one person that does.    just seems some have no common curtisy for anyone,  and always looking for someone else to blame for there mistakes.    GEES   CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG LIFE IS TO SHORT. TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WANT TO BE TREATED  where is the respect for each other. be gratefull for the wonderful opertunities we have in this great state

as a city slicker this is one of my pet peeves too!

I think this thread does a lot of cherry-picking of both bad attitudes/opinions and citing nasty examples

in my experience 95% of farmers and hunters are good people, treat each other decently, and see eye to eye

that said.... those few % left over on each side can have a great impact

one bad apple spoils the bunch

you don't hear the 100 stories of people being generous and helpful to each other while just one bad example spreads like wildfire

Are the good times really over for good?

I'm gonna guarantee that buck a ride in the puckup truck!

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so the way the law reads is that as a farmer if i do anything that impeeds travel down a section line i am liable.  i try to maintain the lines that i used to get to and from my fields, sometimes in the fall i take a disc and  tare up the line to level out the tracks,badager holes, etc.   so i work it up  and it rains and u are dumb enough to drove on it , get stuck rip your transmission out i would be held liable if had i left it sod and full of holes you could have traveled it . so i made the section line now untravelable.    as a farmer one of my biggest pet peeves is when someone drives on the section lines right after it rains,  most people know not to and most are good about it , but it never seems to fail always one person that does.    just seems some have no common curtisy for anyone,  and always looking for someone else to blame for there mistakes.    GEES   CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG LIFE IS TO SHORT. TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WANT TO BE TREATED  where is the respect for each other. be gratefull for the wonderful opertunities we have in this great state

Cute when farmers play this card.  Kinda disrespectful.  FYI I wont travel a "wet" section line unless absolutely necessary. 

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But what was the rock's intentions? Did the rock intend to wreck the truck?

I can't believe you guys are still arguing this. I mean, well, yes I can. This is FBO. Who am I kidding? But, really?

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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 Feather duster rutting up section lines is ridiculous when it is muddy.  Those ruts are tough to get out and who wants a rough trail like that?

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guywhofishes Said:

in my experience 95% of farmers and hunters are good people, treat each other decently, and see eye to eye

I agree 100%.

But it seems every time we as agriculturalists turn around some "sportsmen's group"  is trying to pass some law or regulation or change to our constitution that impacts how we provide for our families. That is the "few %". (and yes I readily acknowledge the few % on ags side as well)

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that said.... those few % left over on each side can have a great impact

But the reality is access is really not that much more denied than it was 20 years ago, you just have to work a little more, talk with people put a little effort into it and everyone can still enjoy all there is to offer.

And yet what do we see and hear? Yet one more measure pushed by these "few %" groups that fragments any relationships with agriculture sportsmen may enjoy.

This thread is an example. All someone has to do is turn a steering wheel abit and pay attention to where they are going and everyone can have a great day hunting on private lands. Yet a small handful pull out "the book" and bitch and whine over one rock it seems MOST everyone was able to drive around and get on with their day.

You want to know why more and more land is posted? Because the same asshole that would drag the farmer to court to pay for his pickup he wrecked running into a rock pile on a section line because "the book" says he can would also drag that farmer to court if he fell in a hole hunting on that farmers land becaause he and some asshole lawyer are looking for a pay day and don;t believe in being accountable for their own stupidity. Most people don;t mind good people hunting on their land, but why should the assholes have that privilege?

Common sense, respect and courteousy are becoming harder and harder to find any more.

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Your part of the 5% GST. Quit acting like your the spokesperson for every farmer and rancher in the United States. We all know how you really feel about conservation. Oh thats right, you plant a few trees here and there, so in your mind that makes you equivalent to Aldo leupold. 

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guywhofishes Said:

in my experience 95% of farmers and hunters are good people, treat each other decently, and see eye to eye

I agree 100%.

But it seems every time we as agriculturalists turn around some "sportsmen's group"  is trying to pass some law or regulation or change to our constitution that impacts how we provide for our families. That is the "few %". (and yes I readily acknowledge the few % on ags side as well)

guywhofishes Said:

that said.... those few % left over on each side can have a great impact

But the reality is access is really not that much more denied than it was 20 years ago, you just have to work a little more, talk with people put a little effort into it and everyone can still enjoy all there is to offer.

And yet what do we see and hear? Yet one more measure pushed by these "few %" groups that fragments any relationships with agriculture sportsmen may enjoy.

This thread is an example. All someone has to do is turn a steering wheel abit and pay attention to where they are going and everyone can have a great day hunting on private lands. Yet a small handful pull out "the book" and bitch and whine over one rock it seems MOST everyone was able to drive around and get on with their day.

You want to know why more and more land is posted? Because the same asshole that would drag the farmer to court to pay for his pickup he wrecked running into a rock pile on a section line because "the book" says he can would also drag that farmer to court if he fell in a hole hunting on that farmers land becaause he and some asshole lawyer are looking for a pay day and don;t believe in being accountable for their own stupidity. Most people don;t mind good people hunting on their land, but why should the assholes have that privilege?

Common sense, respect and courteousy are becoming harder and harder to find any more.

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 lates 70's chevy? and looks like a badass little ice fishing rig 

78 blazer with drivetrain out of a 88 and running 40" tires. It will pretty much go through anything till you get high centered. Who says you need tracks. Works good for running down wet section lines. 
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 Gst doesnt realize that the way he talks down to people makes all of his arguements null and no one really listens to it anymore.  

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Not to mention quotes and highlights that take up whole page...come on Gabe.  Be better than the gap!

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 Gst doesnt realize that the way he talks down to people makes all of his arguements null and no one really listens to it anymore.  

Talks down to people??  Not unless you are one of the assholes.

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odocoileus Said:
Your part of the 5% GST. Quit acting like your the spokesperson for every farmer and rancher in the United States. We all know how you really feel about conservation. Oh thats right, you plant a few trees here and there, so in your mind that makes you equivalent to Aldo leupold. 

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guywhofishes Said:

in my experience 95% of farmers and hunters are good people, treat each other decently, and see eye to eye

I agree 100%.

But it seems every time we as agriculturalists turn around some "sportsmen's group"  is trying to pass some law or regulation or change to our constitution that impacts how we provide for our families. That is the "few %". (and yes I readily acknowledge the few % on ags side as well)

guywhofishes Said:

that said.... those few % left over on each side can have a great impact

But the reality is access is really not that much more denied than it was 20 years ago, you just have to work a little more, talk with people put a little effort into it and everyone can still enjoy all there is to offer.

And yet what do we see and hear? Yet one more measure pushed by these "few %" groups that fragments any relationships with agriculture sportsmen may enjoy.

This thread is an example. All someone has to do is turn a steering wheel abit and pay attention to where they are going and everyone can have a great day hunting on private lands. Yet a small handful pull out "the book" and bitch and whine over one rock it seems MOST everyone was able to drive around and get on with their day.

You want to know why more and more land is posted? Because the same asshole that would drag the farmer to court to pay for his pickup he wrecked running into a rock pile on a section line because "the book" says he can would also drag that farmer to court if he fell in a hole hunting on that farmers land becaause he and some asshole lawyer are looking for a pay day and don;t believe in being accountable for their own stupidity. Most people don;t mind good people hunting on their land, but why should the assholes have that privilege?

Common sense, respect and courteousy are becoming harder and harder to find any more.

Funny a couple of the youth deer hunters hunting on our land over the weekend didn;t seem to think so.

No spokesperson, just someone that holds a mirror up now and then to a few of the folks on FBO.

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so the way the law reads is that as a farmer if i do anything that impeeds travel down a section line i am liable.  i try to maintain the lines that i used to get to and from my fields, sometimes in the fall i take a disc and  tare up the line to level out the tracks,badager holes, etc.   so i work it up  and it rains and u are dumb enough to drove on it , get stuck rip your transmission out i would be held liable if had i left it sod and full of holes you could have traveled it . so i made the section line now untravelable.    as a farmer one of my biggest pet peeves is when someone drives on the section lines right after it rains,  most people know not to and most are good about it , but it never seems to fail always one person that does.    just seems some have no common curtisy for anyone,  and always looking for someone else to blame for there mistakes.    GEES   CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG LIFE IS TO SHORT. TREAT OTHERS AS YOU WANT TO BE TREATED  where is the respect for each other. be gratefull for the wonderful opertunities we have in this great state

as a city slicker this is one of my pet peeves too!

I think this thread does a lot of cherry-picking of both bad attitudes/opinions and citing nasty examples

in my experience 95% of farmers and hunters are good people, treat each other decently, and see eye to eye

that said.... those few % left over on each side can have a great impact

one bad apple spoils the bunch

you don't hear the 100 stories of people being generous and helpful to each other while just one bad example spreads like wildfire

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 lates 70's chevy? and looks like a badass little ice fishing rig 

78 blazer with drivetrain out of a 88 and running 40" tires. It will pretty much go through anything till you get high centered. Who says you need tracks. Works good for running down wet section lines. 

likely clears the rocks pretty good too.

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Not sure if gst is part of the 5% but I am comfortable with the last comment made by him.
The law is on the side of the game and fish but was the end result worth the monies saved by game and fish and the goodwill that comes of it.  Read what has been said.
Yea, game and fish you won but guess what, there will be another day.
I believe by their action they have cause more harm than good for the good of all of us. 
Just pay for the damn vehicle repairs and tell your warden to be more careful.
For me, if a owner of land does not want me down his section line so be it.  I could care less about the law.  My relationship with that owners is more important.  In his eyes he had a reason to do what he did and I will respect that. 
I have found all kinds of land that owners have allow me to hunt on by just asking.  And by asking and GIVING other hunters can not believe I am allow to hunt on that land. 
Respect, form a relationship, give some and you will reap the benefits.
Life is indeed good.
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So if the rock was never placed there, he would have hit the tree/bush instead? Who would be a fault then?

Education will tell you a tomato is a fruit, while wisdom will tell you not to put it in a fruit salad.

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Just pay for the damn vehicle repairs and tell your warden to be more careful.

It's very likely the Game and Fish would have liked to do that, but like the landowner they have to follow the law also.  Once the deputy sheriff investigated it was reported.  It was likely turned in to insurance also.  Once the insurance companies had it they didn't want to pay.  In the end it shafted everyone.  People want to blame, blame and blame some more.  What's coming across here is unwarranted dislike of Game and Fish and landowners.  Those who think they know either side was to blame without reading the court records are simply showing prejudice.  Then there are a few of the 5% from each side on here. 

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just to be clear... neither the game warden nor the game and fish filed these charges.  the state's attorney did.  its entirely possible he didn't give a shit what the gw, his supervisor or the gnf wanted.  

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I guess some just sit at their desk and to make life simple, they just do what the rules say and do as springers has stated. 
And for the states attorney, damn if you do and damn if you do not.
Either way he/she will get their ass chewed on.
I have found in my life that there were and are times when I talk to much about something when it best to keep it to myself.   
Maybe, in the beginning, a statement about hitting a rock was all that needed to be said and nothing about maybe someone putting a rock in the middle of a section line needed to be told.  And maybe if a sheriff was call that was all he needed to say in his report. 
But it was not and maybe the warden was concern about what would happen to him and needed to put some fault with someone else.  The sheriff was concern the whole story would get on so he needed to cover his ass.   
Youth, it takes time to understand how to make life easier for one in the end.
The end result will not be worth what will come of this as you have stated plainsman.

But as I have stated and as one who pays taxes and funds to the game and fish.  For the good of all and the end, just use my monies to help pay the damages and state we all learn from this.  Shake hands and have a beer.  We are all okay no matter what they may say about you.  db

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we are nearly down to the final two.....plainsman & gst

hope this is over soon

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Now if the lady had no clothes on that would change my whole ideal of what would be important to talk about.
Screw the conversation about the rock pile.
 
Yes the farmer should not of put the rock to obstruct travel down a section line. 
Maybe he could of got the township or county to get it abandon. 
But at times one needs to ask why are they traveling down the section line especially if it leads to nowhere. 
No he does not own the section line or the deer that may live on the section line or by the section line.  But he does own the land next to the section line and I do respect him for that. He does house MY deer on his land and they do eat on his land. 
And God bless the cow/calf man for the steaks he gives me.
Yes it is open to public travel but at the same time I have found that if I ask I end up with more land to hunt on than what I can hunt.
And if the farmer or rancher does not want me on HIS section line so be it.  I do respect the owner of the land and his wishes even though he can not stop me from going there. 
The word fair is only used by little kids during recess and is no longer a word when you become an adult.
And if I hit a rock then it becomes my problem as it happen to me in my younger and stupid days and I was just happy to get out of there without the owner knowing I was there.
And finally game and fish, get a life and learn how to work with the public for the good of the end.  My dollars I give you and others can be used to repair your vehicle. 
That would be ok by me and I do give you permission to do that.  db

Not really. "Because I want to" is all the reason a person needs to travel a public roadway. 

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we are nearly down to the final two.....plainsman & gst

hope this is over soon

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bring the rain
bullshit imho   db
just keep pushing buttons is the real reason

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 Hahaha warvin! 

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Snow plow on the pickup works good for knocking down flower and corn that are planted over section lines. I usually only knock down a path 64 ft wide by however long just to make sure I don't take any crops that are actually where they are supposed to be. Would hate to make the farmer mad you know . Sickening though, those corn stalks start to where off the paint on the plow. 

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Now we need a reason to travel section lines!!!

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bring the rain
bullshit imho   db
just keep pushing buttons is the real reason

??? Who's buttons? The landowners beside the section line? Their buttons don't matter, it's a public roadway. 

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 The easiest thing to do is to pack down the crops on the section lines just after they start to grow, whether or not you are going to use the section line throughout the rest of the year. 

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Boom. 20 pages of arguing about rocks. Well done gents.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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Boom. 20 pages of arguing about rocks. Well done gents.

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lol... shits getting deep now.  

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Snow plow on the pickup works good for knocking down flower and corn that are planted over section lines. I usually only knock down a path 64 ft wide by however long just to make sure I don't take any crops that are actually where they are supposed to be. Would hate to make the farmer mad you know . Sickening though, those corn stalks start to where off the paint on the plow. 

        I would NOT be doing this as some section line may have been legally closed by action of the County Commission,

24-07-03. Section lines considered public roads open for public travel - Closing same
under certain conditions.
In all townships in this state, outside the limits of incorporated cities, and outside platted
townsites, additions, or subdivisions recorded pursuant to sections 40-50.1-01 through
40-50.1-17 or recorded prior to July 1, 1987, under former chapter 40-50, the congressional
section lines are considered public roads open for public travel to the width of thirty-three feet
[10.06 meters] on each side of the section lines.
The board of county commissioners, if petitioned by a person having an interest in the
adjoining land or a portion thereof, after public hearing and a finding by the commissioners of
public benefit, may close section lines or portions thereof which are not used for ten years, are
not traveled due to natural obstacles or difficulty of terrain, are not required due to readily
accessible alternate routes of travel, or are intersected by interstate highways causing the
section line to be a deadend, providing the closing of the dead-end section line does not deprive
adjacent landowners access to the landowners' property. After the section lines are closed, they
may be used to the benefit of the adjacent landowners. However, survey or property reference
monuments may not be disturbed, removed, or destroyed.
If drainage is interfered with due to
the farming operations, alternate means of drainage must be provided for by the landowners or
tenants farming the lands.

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bring the rain
you may be right
as owners of land their buttons do not matter.  db

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Snow plow on the pickup works good for knocking down flower and corn that are planted over section lines. I usually only knock down a path 64 ft wide by however long just to make sure I don't take any crops that are actually where they are supposed to be. Would hate to make the farmer mad you know . Sickening though, those corn stalks start to where off the paint on the plow. 

        I would NOT be doing this as some section line may have been legally closed by action of the County Commission,

24-07-03. Section lines considered public roads open for public travel - Closing same
under certain conditions.
In all townships in this state, outside the limits of incorporated cities, and outside platted
townsites, additions, or subdivisions recorded pursuant to sections 40-50.1-01 through
40-50.1-17 or recorded prior to July 1, 1987, under former chapter 40-50, the congressional
section lines are considered public roads open for public travel to the width of thirty-three feet
[10.06 meters] on each side of the section lines.
The board of county commissioners, if petitioned by a person having an interest in the
adjoining land or a portion thereof, after public hearing and a finding by the commissioners of
public benefit, may close section lines or portions thereof which are not used for ten years, are
not traveled due to natural obstacles or difficulty of terrain, are not required due to readily
accessible alternate routes of travel, or are intersected by interstate highways causing the
section line to be a deadend, providing the closing of the dead-end section line does not deprive
adjacent landowners access to the landowners' property. After the section lines are closed, they
may be used to the benefit of the adjacent landowners. However, survey or property reference
monuments may not be disturbed, removed, or destroyed.
If drainage is interfered with due to
the farming operations, alternate means of drainage must be provided for by the landowners or
tenants farming the lands.

That's why you make sure it hasn't been closed first 

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        I would NOT be doing this as some section line may have been legally closed by action of the County Commission,

That's why you make sure it hasn't been closed first 

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 The easiest thing to do is to pack down the crops on the section lines just after they start to grow, whether or not you are going to use the section line throughout the rest of the year. 

Am I the only one that knows BTR is just shaking the tree for fun? 

On another subject, could some of you change your avatar?  I like to think male hunters are all masculine.  Some are like looking at a KY advertisement. 

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and sometimes the leaves will fall when you shake even if you did not intend them to  db

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Just pay for the damn vehicle repairs and tell your warden to be more careful.

It's very likely the Game and Fish would have liked to do that, but like the landowner they have to follow the law also.  Once the deputy sheriff investigated it was reported.  It was likely turned in to insurance also.  Once the insurance companies had it they didn't want to pay.  In the end it shafted everyone.  People want to blame, blame and blame some more.  What's coming across here is unwarranted dislike of Game and Fish and landowners.  Those who think they know either side was to blame without reading the court records are simply showing prejudice.  Then there are a few of the 5% from each side on here. 

Hopefully you were looking in the mirror as you typed this.

Have you ever tallied up the anti ag threads you have started over on Nodak?

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Boom. 20 pages of arguing about rocks. Well done gents.

20 is too easy any more, it becomes meaningless.

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Boom. 20 pages of arguing about rocks. Well done gents.

20 is too easy any more, it becomes meaningless.

Pretty much any discussion here that you enter becomes meaningless as you drag everyone down to your level. You are the least self aware person I have ever met, online or otherwise.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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Boom. 20 pages of arguing about rocks. Well done gents.

20 is too easy any more, it becomes meaningless.

Pretty much any discussion here that you enter becomes meaningless as you drag everyone down to your level. You are the least self aware person I have ever met, online or otherwise.

Easy with the hate there fella, it's the internet. Did you really expect a thread like this not to end up there?

I guess you can always stick to the three breasted woman  and jedi bull headmaster fishing threads. Maybe the old cleaning station one was more to your liking.

Who got the DU thread booted?

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Our weekly county newspaper lists the County Court Report. In this weeks edition someone was found guilty of violating the requirement of "Care required when operating a vehicle."  With that said, I believe:

1.  The judge came to the right decision that Mr. Bear was in violation when he placed the rock inside the 66 RoW of the section line.  However the sentence for Mr. Bear should have been to remove the rock from the RoW.

2.  Since no one else had had any problem traveling the section line in the year since the rock had been placed in the RoW, the GW had "Failed to use care when operating a vehicle" and Mr. Bear was not liable for the damages to the State vehicle.

This is how I see it.

Steve.

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and sometimes the leaves will fall when you shake even if you did not intend them to  db

Buttons or leaves, doesn't really matter. No buttons to push and no leaves to fall. 

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gst always asks why he was booted on nodak.  Many reasons I guess, because each person who talked about it had different ideas.  I didn't see any social value in his posts.  Also he accuses me of anti ag, but I am anti some practices.  One of my reasons was he makes ag look bad.  I have friends and family that farm and the last thing I want is for farmers and ranchers to look like pig headed stubborn people who listen to no reason.  We all have to live together and people who have only take and no give don't help anyone. 

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Boom. 20 pages of arguing about rocks. Well done gents.

20 is too easy any more, it becomes meaningless.

Pretty much any discussion here that you enter becomes meaningless as you drag everyone down to your level. You are the least self aware person I have ever met, online or otherwise.

As I read this post I appreciated those who I think are landowners and who kept an open mind.  I don't think there should have been any criminal charges, but the vehicle should have been paid for by Don's insurance.  I think if the insurance would have just paid everything would have been ok.
I hope people understand that often wardens and anyone in law enforcement sometimes can't keep all their attention on the road.  I know they do when in traffic, but when on open road, or in this case prairie trail it isn't always possible while keeping track of what's going on with people your watching.  The problem is with the way the law and insurance handled this.  It's the way the laws are written.  It isn't a perfect system, but it beats the heck out of the rest of the word.  I hope they can find some way to take those criminal charges from Don's records.  This isn't serious enough to affect his life the way it will for the rest of his life.  I wish people could drop all the hard personal feelings against the Game and Fish and the farmer and support both. 

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Come on have you forgot the guy who earned his own thread on here to get rid of him. I think he is number one. 

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Boom. 20 pages of arguing about rocks. Well done gents.

20 is too easy any more, it becomes meaningless.

Pretty much any discussion here that you enter becomes meaningless as you drag everyone down to your level. You are the least self aware person I have ever met, online or otherwise.

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 So is it in poor taste to post the GPS coordinates or an estimated location of the rock ?  I sure would like to pull it up, A picture is worth 6 pages. 

 

 

 

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Plainsman Said:
gst always asks why he was booted on nodak.  Many reasons I guess, because each person who talked about it had different ideas.  I didn't see any social value in his posts.  Also he accuses me of anti ag, but I am anti some practices.  One of my reasons was he makes ag look bad.  I have friends and family that farm and the last thing I want is for farmers and ranchers to look like pig headed stubborn people who listen to no reason.  We all have to live together and people who have only take and no give don't help anyone. 

plainsman awhile back I asked you in some thread on here as a moderator over on Nodak why I got the boot and you claimed you had nothing to do with it.

You seem to be admitting a different tune now. 

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