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Boom. 20 pages of arguing about rocks. Well done gents.

20 is too easy any more, it becomes meaningless.

Pretty much any discussion here that you enter becomes meaningless as you drag everyone down to your level. You are the least self aware person I have ever met, online or otherwise.

Read this awhile ago, pretty well sums it up.

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This may disappoint you meelosh, but what someone I have never met nor has ever met me thinks on an internet site really doesn;t matter much.

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Profound rock (and roll) concept--very robust and durable:

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"Duty"  not "doodie".

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But the reality is access is really not that much more denied than it was 20 years ago, you just have to work a little more, talk with people put a little effort into it and everyone can still enjoy all there is to offer.

This, I disagree with.  If I had a cigar for every time I've heard "sorry, I let the Can.....ball club handle hunting, or something similar....well, I'd probably already be dead from some lung disease.

Farming operations are much larger today than they were just 10 years ago.  As land management consolidation continues into fewer and fewer people, those of us who enjoyed the benefit of hunting Landowner A, B and C's lands are increasingly being told, "sorry, all full up" by the new management of Landowner D as he acquires A B and C's holdings.

Point in case, we all know you are a substantial ranching operation.  And we know you allow hunting on your holdings.  However, have you ever wondered if the same number of people now have access to those acres that did just 15 yrs ago?

I am guessing the number of people who access the land is fewer, luckier...but fewer.

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Allen I wouldn;t call our ranching operation "substantial".

And I can say for a fact that there are more people hunting here now than 15 years ago.

Perhaps not if you do not consider the extended doe only season they had about that long ago. Other than that, pretty much.

It was only a few years ago that the G&F were giving out 160,000 deer tags. Where were all those deer shot? Public lands?

Maybe it is just me but I don;t see access being denied as much as some seem to. Changed where more land is posted you bet, but if people do not have enough respect or ambition to introduce themselves and ask permission why should they expect a free ride?

I think the vast majority of hunters get along fine with landowners and have relationships where they have opportunity to enjoy hunting. We have made friends in the heart of the Cannonball deal and can shoot roosters and drink crown pretty easily down there.

Ex hall monitor assholes may have a bit more difficulty.

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gst your basing your thoughts on your small corner of the world.  The rest of the state isn't like your dream world.  I am happy every time I hear you say you let people on.  I know other farmers who now restrict their land to people who can pay, or people who can do things for them.  They let their attorney hunt, the car dealer, the banker, etc. 

Your rather young gst.  I have been around 66 years and I can tell you it has changed.  The change has been slow and the dim witted have not even noticed it.  You can't see the change in a single year, but you can see it from one ten year period to another.  Compared to when I started hunting in the late 1950's I can hardly recognize North Dakota now. 

You may be able to snow some of the younger folks gst, but I was hunting before you were loading your diapers.

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gst your basing your thoughts on your small corner of the world.  The rest of the state isn't like your dream world.  I am happy every time I hear you say you let people on.  I know other farmers who now restrict their land to people who can pay, or people who can do things for them.  They let their attorney hunt, the car dealer, the banker, etc. 

Your rather young gst.  I have been around 66 years and I can tell you it has changed.  The change has been slow and the dim witted have not even noticed it.  You can't see the change in a single year, but you can see it from one ten year period to another.  Compared to when I started hunting in the late 1950's I can hardly recognize North Dakota now. 

You may be able to snow some of the younger folks gst, but I was hunting before you were loading your diapers.

plainsman you play the "older and wiser" than you card too often.

I am 51 years old and indeed things have "changed".

The difference here is I don;t think I am smarter than the "dim witted" people out there that have adapted to the changes that ALWAYS occur.

Dinosauers are old too plainsman.

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kiss and make up and end this shit

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Allen I wouldn;t call our ranching operation "substantial".

And I can say for a fact that there are more people hunting here now than 15 years ago.

Perhaps not if you do not consider the extended doe only season they had about that long ago. Other than that, pretty much.

It was only a few years ago that the G&F were giving out 160,000 deer tags. Where were all those deer shot? Public lands?

Maybe it is just me but I don;t see access being denied as much as some seem to. Changed where more land is posted you bet, but if people do not have enough respect or ambition to introduce themselves and ask permission why should they expect a free ride?

I think the vast majority of hunters get along fine with landowners and have relationships where they have opportunity to enjoy hunting. We have made friends in the heart of the Cannonball deal and can shoot roosters and drink crown pretty easily down there.

Ex hall monitor assholes may have a bit more difficulty.

Yes it is just you. Sorry if you can't see what's happened the last 15 years you have to be blind, dumb or both. Today's landowner is nothing like yesterday's. It's just a fact. I have absolutely no issue with a landowner posting their land and or restricting access for whatever reason they want to but to say it hasn't increased is a flat out lie. I've been turned down more times then not the past few years. That was not the case just 5 years ago.

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In my personal experience, it has indeed changed. From my perspective it seems that it may be because of the increase of hunters. When I started hunting in the late 70's early 80's (RRV), there didn't seem to be as much interest. Given we only hunted the late deer season when it was still split, if we saw someone else in our area we knew who they were. Dad farmed until 77' so he/we knew landowners for a very large area. Waterfowl hunting was never an issue besides land close to production areas. Upland was always open to us. Standing crops were the only cause for a phone call. Only recall being denied a couple times. Usually due to equipment in the field or plans to harvest at that time. Bowhunters back then were a very hardcore group. There was only a handful that I knew who actively pursued it.

Fast forward twenty some years. I was hunting some of my family's land and took a drive east through areas we used to hunt when I was younger. There was at least one pickup/group hunting every section for a fifteen mile drive. Staggering to say the least. I had never seen those numbers before. A couple years latter, a few of us gathered at a local beer joint after hunting along a rural highway. The traffic just after sundown coming from the west was unbelievable. All passengers in orange.

Now current day. After years of record deer numbers, it seems everybody and their brother bowhunt. They run multiple stands, cameras and scout year around. We have groups that waterfowl hunt that have enclosed trailers for their decoys. I've witnessed some with generators and light stands for setting up in the dark. There's big buck contests in every other town. There's organized coyote hunts. We now (in Grand Forks) have Cabelas and Scheels. Anyone remember buying a gun or ammo at the local hardware? Hunting dogs, when I was young you were hard core and rich if you had one of these. High end long range rifles, enclosed hunting stands (some heated), laser range finders, 75% let off bows, high quality hunting clothes etc... It has become much easier and more comfortable over the years for sure.

There is an increase in posted land. That being said, of the landowners I know of most post for themselves, family and friends. Some allow others to post their land for them. Some of this land has been like these for a generation or two now. I know some land owners who have to patrol their land to remove posted signs because somebody else had posted it for themselves. I've also encountered many who don't give a shite about posted land and hunt it anyway hoping they don't get caught. Road hunting has never been worse.

I don't claim to have an answer on how to give everyone an equal opportunity to hunt. Just stating my observations.


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I got you both beat at 68.
My first year 1959.  Got the tag Friday morning.  Very few deer, even less hunters and can not remember a no hunting sign.  Horns did not matter as there were no big horns.  All kinds of rabbits to hunt with no eagles, coyotes and a lot less hawks and owls.  No 4x4 and walked many of miles on Saturday and Sunday with my pump model 121.  And a lot of that was across summer fallow.

My father could say in his youth, deer season is there such a thing as there was not.
Later on he hunted for the meat to eat and game and fish was no where around.

Yes it changed and for me it was 1995 when I got tied of driving around looking for deer with no hunting signs when I knew if I built the habitat the deer would come to me and they did.
So everybody got their buddies and with that their privileges.
But it is a lot better now than what it was for me.  Got a bow and permission to hunt on more land than I can use(at least the wife says so).  Food plots that look great and some nice horns coming up.  Spend a lot more monies with the cost of seed, trees and feed but enjoy a lot more.  Even provide water for some.  Camera is a big plus.  Love taking pictures and videos.
Found out I can get all kinds of horns when I wait till they fall off.
Gone out west with the ideal it would be tuff to find places to hunt but surprising by saying I am not from Fargo and asking how many places I was able to hunt on.
For you gun hunters there will be no big bucks left by looking at what the bow hunters have harvested before season even opens up for you.  All I can say is get a bow and jump in your 4x4 and away you go. 
You know it is that easy. 
And life is good.  db

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 #plots  just imagine deer and birds everywhere and a book with a map that shows all of the private land that is open to hunters... Well that was the case just 5 years ago.  It was glorious and still people complained that the plots ground was not good enough.  There has been increases in plots payments now to landowners and the state has the money to keep the program intact.  The plots program works.  Habitat is an issue now but there is still alot of habitat this year with all the rain.  

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Hi, I'm Don Bear.  The guy with the rock!  The last line was an idle threat, I guess.   Land is posted, yes, but no one has been  denied!   I have had several requests, more than usual, I'd say.  Maybe its the notoriety.  The case is still under appeal.

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Hi, I'm Don Bear.  The guy with the rock!  The last line was an idle threat, I guess.   Land is posted, yes, but no one has been  denied!   I have had several requests, more than usual, I'd say.  Maybe its the notoriety.  The case is still under appeal.

Don, what County are you located in?  If it doesn't bother you to say and if you don't want to that is understandable where is the road in question exactly located?
It might have been mentioned earlier just didn't want to go through all the pages again to find out the answers to the above questions.

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 Didn't read all of this..... Bottom line is section lines are stupid completely outdated lines of " public travel" lol, abolish them and end threads like this. Section lines are absolutely not needed anymore. No debate what so ever. They are relics of the past, why the living &@&$ they even exist is a complete mystery, someday , we will be rid of these stupid "public access " routes.  They were designed for farmers and rural folks before the invention of the four wheel drive...... All section lines deserve a chisel plow. Dumbest f@$&ing thing that still exists for NO reason. None. 

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Thank you, thank you, thank you.  I hope that opens some eyes.  Then we can be like Montana where you can't step across from the corner of public land to the corner of another section of public land because part of you had to pass over private land and that is trespassing.  This allows landowners to tie up thousand of acres of public land in Montana.  Unless wait for it YOU PAY THEM.  Great idea.  Lets see, they pay a pittance to graze it so our tax dollars are needed to support the public land, then they can charge hunters enough to get to the land they own that it will more than pay their grazing fees.  I got to get me some dirt and a cow.   

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 Didn't read all of this..... Bottom line is section lines are stupid completely outdated lines of " public travel" lol, abolish them and end threads like this. Section lines are absolutely not needed anymore. No debate what so ever. They are relics of the past, why the living &@&$ they even exist is a complete mystery, someday , we will be rid of these stupid "public access " routes.  They were designed for farmers and rural folks before the invention of the four wheel drive...... All section lines deserve a chisel plow. Dumbest f@$&ing thing that still exists for NO reason. None. 

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Geez who knocked your sister up!??!  Grab a tea and settle down troll.  

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 Didn't read all of this..... Bottom line is section lines are stupid,completely outdated lines of " public travel" lol, abolish them and end threads like this. Section lines are absolutely not needed anymore. No debate what so ever. They are relics of the past, why the living &@&$ they even exist is a complete mystery, someday , we will be rid of these stupid "public access " routes.  They were designed for farmers and rural folks before the invention of the four wheel drive...... All section lines deserve a chisel plow. Dumbest f@$&ing thing that still exists for NO reason. None. 
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 Farmers....Deer season is rapidly approaching. Please remove all rocks, machinery, and crops from the section lines. Also, make sure to get your posted signs up. Thank you. 

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If a farmer can get prosecuted for this then could they get prosecuted for illegally fencing off a section line?  Think someone driving through a fence with a snowmobile etc. and getting hurt?

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cynical Said:
If a farmer can get prosecuted for this then could they get prosecuted for illegally fencing off a section line?  Think someone driving through a fence with a snowmobile etc. and getting hurt?

absolutely.  this sets a nice precedent

 

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Geez who knocked your sister up!??!  Grab a tea and settle down troll.  

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 Didn't read all of this..... Bottom line is section lines are stupid,completely outdated lines of " public travel" lol, abolish them and end threads like this. Section lines are absolutely not needed anymore. No debate what so ever. They are relics of the past, why the living &@&$ they even exist is a complete mystery, someday , we will be rid of these stupid "public access " routes.  They were designed for farmers and rural folks before the invention of the four wheel drive...... All section lines deserve a chisel plow. Dumbest f@$&ing thing that still exists for NO reason. None. 

Not his daughter, his wife ran around on him and took all his land in the divorce so he feels he owns all the land north of williston that was given to him in the first place and runs around with a meth-head now because he doesn;t know how to farm but will tell everyone else what to do with thier land and how there are no animals alive.  if it were up to "russ" noone would even be able to hunt anywhere north of the 13 miles corner.  he's a shithead and knows it so he takes it out on hunters! 

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Section lines can be fenced off, there just needs to be a gate installed to be able to pass through.  

cynical Said:
If a farmer can get prosecuted for this then could they get prosecuted for illegally fencing off a section line?  Think someone driving through a fence with a snowmobile etc. and getting hurt?
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 H&m-----you my friend, are an idiot. That's quite the story you made up !  Entertaining all the way around ! Made my day .... It takes all kinds 

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cynical Said:
If a farmer can get prosecuted for this then could they get prosecuted for illegally fencing off a section line?  Think someone driving through a fence with a snowmobile etc. and getting hurt?

You hit on the key word and that is illegally fencing it off, put a gate that opens on it and no charges or liability!!

I said it before Mr Bear rock did not impede the ability to get down that section line but if you where not paying attention you would run into the bush that was their as well as the rock that he placed next to it. I drove that line last fall prior to this with the rock in place did it in the dark, cannot phantom how in broad daylight that rock could have been hit unless the driver was distracted!

That still to me is how this law should be applied, any activity that does not prevent travel should not be illegal. IMHO!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Headhunter Said:
 Didn't read all of this..... Bottom line is section lines are stupid,completely outdated lines of " public travel" lol, abolish them and end threads like this. Section lines are absolutely not needed anymore. No debate what so ever. They are relics of the past, why the living &@&$ they even exist is a complete mystery, someday , we will be rid of these stupid "public access " routes.  They were designed for farmers and rural folks before the invention of the four wheel drive...... All section lines deserve a chisel plow. Dumbest f@$&ing thing that still exists for NO reason. None. 

Not his daughter, his wife ran around on him and took all his land in the divorce so he feels he owns all the land north of williston that was given to him in the first place and runs around with a meth-head now because he doesn;t know how to farm but will tell everyone else what to do with thier land and how there are no animals alive.  if it were up to "russ" noone would even be able to hunt anywhere north of the 13 miles corner.  he's a shithead and knows it so he takes it out on hunters! 

Well that makes sense now

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Geez who knocked your sister up!??!  Grab a tea and settle down troll.  

Headhunter Said:
 Didn't read all of this..... Bottom line is section lines are stupid,completely outdated lines of " public travel" lol, abolish them and end threads like this. Section lines are absolutely not needed anymore. No debate what so ever. They are relics of the past, why the living &@&$ they even exist is a complete mystery, someday , we will be rid of these stupid "public access " routes.  They were designed for farmers and rural folks before the invention of the four wheel drive...... All section lines deserve a chisel plow. Dumbest f@$&ing thing that still exists for NO reason. None. 

Not his daughter, his wife ran around on him and took all his land in the divorce so he feels he owns all the land north of williston that was given to him in the first place and runs around with a meth-head now because he doesn;t know how to farm but will tell everyone else what to do with thier land and how there are no animals alive.  if it were up to "russ" noone would even be able to hunt anywhere north of the 13 miles corner.  he's a shithead and knows it so he takes it out on hunters! 

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 H&m-----you my friend, are an idiot. That's quite the story you made up !  Entertaining all the way around ! Made my day .... It takes all kinds 

Russ, opps, i mean Headhunter, 3A1TAG on license plate,
what part of the story is not true, you can even PM me so you don't have to admit on here that i am right! 

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 H and m , none of your "story " is true!  Apparently u got your facts/rumors mixed up! Oh well, think as u wish :) 

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 Ps , you gonna get on public website and talk smack you might wanna not say shit that ain't true. 

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bump, cyber bulling is real people

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 I knew a bully  once, she became my ex wife 

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