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tuffdog-I missed your statement.  Perhaps you missed the earlier post that stated  the excess co2 we seem to be piling up would be "waste" for a multitude of new plant diversity.  Like I stated that's really not an option now is it since the earths forests are rapidly declining.

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Fish stop the spin, produce the models compared to actual and then we can talk. I could not care any less what another zealot says or does regarding this issue it is simply the data that is out there that is important.

Data like the fact that CO2 levels have been higher and our temps on earth colder than now.
Data like the fact that the models are so far off from what has occurred and that they do not have the accurate variables to reproduce past climate changes.

So trot them out and get off the effort to discredit anyone who challenges your zealous religious belief in AGW!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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ggthusia-OF course there have been differences in our geologic past. What point is it you're trying make? What caused those changes and what effects did they have. Once again, because lightning can start a fire does that mean that we can't with matches and total stupidity? Total annihilation of life in many cases was the result of these fluctuations. The simple fact is the co2 remained at 170-300 ppm for the past half million years. Since the industrial revolution it's gone vertical but you must know this or do you?. As far as the total carbon output of 750 gigatons we only put out roughly 28 gigatons. However only 40% of that is being reabsorbed making possible the complicatons I've stated. Co2 is one entity. One also has to look at methane , the influence on water vapor etc. But,...thankyou for a very general, rigid "opinion".

so, are you going to strong-arm China and India into compliance with U.S. policy?  Nope.  And the U.S. can't because the Chinese have us by the gonads.  So here we sit.  Should we cripple our economy even more, thus allowing China to get more of our business and pollute even more?

I still don't see much difference between the burning naturally occurring fossil fuels, and the spewing of the aforementioned gases by a volcano.  Man is still a part of nature no matter how much technology we have.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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ggenthusiast-If you go back and see who were the non players in the last attempted treaties it wasn't China and India that refrained.  It was the US and ...Afghanistan that backed out from the start..  As far as volcanoes and human made co2 emissions the former are not even a player in comparison.  IF  you happen to listen to Fox they had the data inverted using C Vs, co2.  Perhaps that's where you got that data?
Hardwater-we've discussed this before.  IF you're referring to the Ord> era you do know overall if was a very warm time period.  Geologically speaking the glaciation was very short lived and as we've discussed before there were variables going on at that time which do not relate in any way shape or form now.
I'm a religious zealot now? *l*  Are you a member of the religious right that believes Jesus was a capitalist??  YOu notice I'm asking not "proclaiming" that statement.

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Just produce the model output compared to what occured or just shut up! Plain and simple Fish!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Hardwater-you've gone dramatic once again more then likely because you haven't done enough reading or have and  don't understand it.  Have you even read the links I posted??? Do you have any scientific background? What is your line of work?   Guess you're still undecided on what I asked above?  Chewing rubber is boring you know and I'm pretty well there.
So,.."plain and simple" ron,  surf for some less complicated data  from a reputable source and refrain from your astroturf sites.

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tuffdog-I missed your statement.  Perhaps you missed the earlier post that stated  the excess co2 we seem to be piling up would be "waste" for a multitude of new plant diversity.  Like I stated that's really not an option now is it since the earths forests are rapidly declining.

Are the forests declining because of CO2? Cause that sounded like it was what you were stating. I had a question mark at the end of my first post. You didn't answer it. You are the expert and I have a question I need you to answer. Or are you going to treat me like Hardwaterman and everyone else that has asked you a question?

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fishmahn, I don't watch fox news, I rarely ever listen to Rush.  I just think for myself, and don't trust the science behind this theory, as there are people who stand to make a lot of money off of it.  When money gets involved, the data will get skewed in favor of the one's whom can benefit the most.  You can't even consider that being a possibility behind this, therefore proving to us that you have blinders on.

All I know is that for the last 10 or so years of using air monitors, o2 levels have been at a steady 20.9%.  If CO2 levels were on the rise, wouldn't the O2 % be decreasing. The weather of North America has been as normal as weather can be.  Nothing I see with my own two eyes supports this global warming theory.  You can, and will I'm sure, continue to get all bent out of shape over the latest data you find on the internet.  Even if they are right, there is little to nothing that can be done about it, so why cripple our country further by squeezing our industry tighter than the competition.

I win.  You lose.  Don't even bother responding.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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You need to put up or shut up Fish, not dramatic, just the way it is!  You are pooh hooing the claims and refuse to refute them with actual data! I have read numerous pieces on this, and scientists in the climate field are split on his claim. Some like you discount it because of where it came from. Others though say his methodology is sound and calls into question the claims made by the IPCC and most of all this claims and work can be duplicated just as he states them. So bring on the model data and actual data and let everyone decide based on that.

To continue to claim lack of reading is plain outright BS and is a deflect mechanism that is employed by people like you when confronted! Try and change the direction of the conversation that is why you brought up the forest claim. Slight of hand misdirection is not going to fly!

Models are wrong then your whole house of cards is wrong and that is what scares people like you. The money train dries up with !

So once again put up or shut up!!!!!!!!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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hardwater-you just don't like what you find.  The Ipcc is one organization.  Organizations from all over the world have working models if you just look. 

"Coupled models are becoming increasingly reliable tools for understanding climate and climate change, and the best models are now capable of simulating present-day climate with accuracy approaching conventional atmospheric observations," said Reichler. "We can now place a much higher level of confidence in model-based projections of climate change than in the past."

The many hours of studying models and comparing them with actual climate changes fulfills the increasing wish to know how much one can trust climate models and their predictions. Given the significance of climate change research in public policy, the study's results also provide important response to critics of global warming. Earlier this year, working group one of the IPCC released its fourth global warming report. The University of Utah study results directly relate to this highly publicized report by showing that the models used for the IPCC paper have reached an unprecedented level of realism.
So, why don't you follow your own adivice!

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ggthusiast-You stated "If co2 levels are on  the rise............?" WHAT??  You aren't aware they've gone up sharply?  You're right  I really shouldn't respond. This is like asking if the sky is blue.  IF you don't know  that  what's the point? Oh, you also mentioned weather in N. American has been normal as normal can be.  While I understand weather can't be confused with climate I'd like to take issue with that statement of  silliness.  Every state in the US has broken temp records this year.  Are you aware of the floods occurring in this state (are you  of this state or planet) and the country as a whole?  How about the great dessert of the south.  Most of Texas is a veritable dessert.  Since we should look at this globally the upheaval on a world level has been unbelievable as of late.    We've also received extreme amounts of snow in the mountains which also would not be out of sync   with  "climate change". 
you say you win?  Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....ignorance is bliss.

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ggthusiast-You stated "If co2 levels are on  the rise............?" WHAT??  You aren't aware they've gone up sharply?  You're right  I really shouldn't respond. This is like asking if the sky is blue.  IF you don't know  that  what's the point? Oh, you also mentioned weather in N. American has been normal as normal can be.  While I understand weather can't be confused with climate I'd like to take issue with that statement of  silliness.  Every state in the US has broken temp records this year.  Are you aware of the floods occurring in this state (are you  of this state or planet) and the country as a whole?  How about the great dessert of the south.  Most of Texas is a veritable dessert.  Since we should look at this globally the upheaval on a world level has been unbelievable as of late.    We've also received extreme amounts of snow in the mountains which also would not be out of sync   with  "climate change". 
you say you win?  Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....ignorance is bliss.

You are a fool.  What is the point of keeping records if every time one is broken, everyone thinks the world is coming to an end.  Flooding is normal, drought is normal, high temps are normal, cold and snow are normal, tornados, hurricanes, etc ....all normal.  I've tried to get this point across to lots of people.  That no matter how violent, unpredicable, and extreme weather may seem, it is all normal.  There is nothing more normal than the weather, whatever it may be. This is nature, and the human race is bareley been taking notes on whats going on around them.

I am so glad I'm not you.  Must be some sort of a miserable life beleiving everything you read and not using your own intuition once in awhile.  I bet your parents are real proud of you.  You should go upstairs now and give your mom a hug for me.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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By the way, I do understand that you are what some call a "troll".  And you actually put a smile on my face today, because I feel very fortunate to have the mental capacity that I do.

I will leave you with this parting thought.  lets just say you are right.  We are in extreme danger of killing off the human race with our emissions.  How do you suppose we fix it, or can we even fix it?  Do you think you could get the entire industrialized world to collectively stop polluting?  Only one man could possibly do that, and that man would be.......Jesus Christ.  When he comes back and tells us it is so, then I'll beleive it.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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I am so glad I'm not you.  Must be some sort of a miserable life beleiving everything you read and not using your own intuition once in awhile.  I bet your parents are real proud of you.  You should go upstairs now and give your mom a hug for me.

Ha Ha

Neat

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Ggenthuis...- I see.  You say all extremes are normal. It just takes time for abnormal phenomenon to become normal.  Soooooo,...if I crawl into a volcano which is having continual eruptions, if I stay there for a brief while it would all become ,,,,"normal".  You've done it!  WE no longer have use for the word "Abnormal" and the dictionary just got one word smaller.  It appears everything is normal.  That is if you're blind, deaf and flat lining!

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GG- you have been sleeping haven't you? China, India the united kingdom and well over, I believe around 190 countries did sign and ratify the treaty. The US did not ratify it. So what does this mean Mr. normal? You mentioned Jesus.. Does this mean he's not in the US??

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Who are you Fishmahn?  Do you hunt and fish at all?  What is your favorite species of fish?  Since you like to try to quiet everyone else down with making them think that whatever they do isn't good enough to have an opinion on global warming, what line of work are YOU in?  What's your highest level of education?  More importantly, does your line of work give you the right to be correct on this argument over someone else?  The answer is no, ant that's true for people on either side of the argument.  I'm reading throw this and I constantly see you asking people all these questions, just thought I'd ask a few myself.

Everyone on the site is entitled to their own interpretation of what to think of Gore and his Gore-ons....and their theories. 

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Ggenthuis...- I see.  You say all extremes are normal. It just takes time for abnormal phenomenon to become normal. 


You're still not even close.  There is no such thing as abnormal when it comes to weather.  Weather is beyond our control, so we cannot give it meets and bounds on what is normal. 

And I don't know what treaty you are talking about.  Like I said, I don't follow the political bs very much.  A treaty is a piece of paper.  China doesn't even care about human rights.  It would be a farse to think they'd comply with any sort of pollution treaty they may sign.  It is sort of fun making you look stupid.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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Hey fishmahn did you know that throughout the history extreme ups and downs have been the norm???? Average conditions are really not alll that average after all???? 

AND as GI Joe taught me "Knowing is half the battle!" 

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GG normal,-You're right . this would be fun if it wasn't so easy. You've never heard of the Kyota treaty? Have you seen the moon or even the cow that jumped over it? Look at the countries that didn't sign and ratify it. (that's the treaty not the moon). The US and Afghanistan top the list. You must quit relying on the force, or was it that gut feeling? How about actually looking into a few things before you spew?
Oh btw when you go hunting do you ever remember to bring shells?

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bukmaster-yes, but it's the trends we look at for data, trends that change from one time period to another.  There seems to be confusion between climate and weather.

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Hey fishmahn do you ever hear a voice in the back of your head???? Whispering "Dont be a JACKASS!"  I have never seen you make two consecutive posts where you dont belittle, berate, insult ..... the friggin list could go on forever...

Hunt Hard and NEVER GIVE UP

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bukmaster-yes, but it's the trends we look at for data, trends that change from one time period to another.  There seems to be confusion between climate and weather.

You're the one looking at this year's weather and calling it climate change.  The "force" is strong.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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Buckmaster-I'm not the one that throws the first "jackass". Read back and check it out. Let's try to be a little impartial here no matter how hard it hurts.

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gg-reread the posts.  TRENDS,,,,"don't confuse climate with weather" etc.    Did you do any research yet.

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Hey fishmahn do you ever hear a voice in the back of your head???? Whispering "Dont be a JACKASS!"  I have never seen you make two consecutive posts where you dont belittle, berate, insult ..... the friggin list could go on forever...

ummm... i can't help but mention that goes both ways on this site.  right or wrong on the issue... (i don't think we will ever get that settled. especially on this site)... when it comes to posters on this site, fish is kind of like the kid in your grade school class that was a little different than the rest of the class or might not agree with the group on some particular subject.  because of that, the rest of the class enjoys ganging up on him.  this topic is now 350 posts deep and it seems that, with the exception of one or two other posters, he has been having a debate against a dozen other guys by himself.  and the majority hasn't exactly remained any more civil than he has.

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Your clutch is slipping.  Whats the point of doing research when the data is biased?  When the air monitor starts showing something other than 20.9% O2 in a well ventillated atmosphere, I'll start to worry.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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He is rarely ever civil, research fishmahn's posting activity. He only posts on political threads. Why be a member of a hunting and fishing website and never post on hunting and fishing related posts? He is either a a paid libera political op.  or  a flat out trouble maker.

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*s* I see you're concerned about o2. That's good to have an ample supply of that. If that's all you care about it's just one less thing to worry about. It may help though if you do keep tabs a few other things. Rumor has it oxygen levels were fine over Hiroshima before it was incinerated.

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I know he's a troll, but it was fun poking him today.  I'll leave him be now.  He probably broke out in acne after today's discussion.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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