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Allen- the 650-800000 years i used because someone took issue with the climate models. This data is from ice cores where you can derive gas, ash, dust and even radioactive content. The farther back one goes the more complicated factors become. The actual record you speak of gets foggier as one travels back in time. I think we do have a problem concerning what you classify as "today" when you make the statement of the co2 level has never been lower,...again it was substantially lower 700000 years ago then it is today. I agree co2 is not the only concern in regard to climate change. Methane, indirect results due to i water vapor variations and also the differences in heat activity. Perhaps there's something new you heard regarding solar constants? To my knowledge that's something, that at least recently, has been injected into the models . By this I mean the solar variablities ( not a constant) that must computed and applied to the models. I've never said co2 is the lone driver in climate change. I believe the things you listed I've talked about at one time or another, ie- Volcanism, (can have some effect which is delayed after the initial cooling from the ash cloud, however it's doesn't appear to be a major player in regard to co2 as during peak times of volcanism there seems to be no big surges in this gas.) methane and also the resultant changes in the ocean chemistry and temp. Your right that at this time I feel there are more things to enter into the formula and they are as time goes by. That's the reason the models are responding much better. The list of scientists and their credentials seem to be much better then the rather short list of naysayers. Oh, ! BTW, Cameron Diaz hit the weights again. She is becoming hotter then she was recently,....somewhat like this planet. *s*

So, in essence, you're saying man is spewing CO2 into the atmosphere (which nobody disputes), but nobody can really put their finger on how big of a factor it really is regarding the climate change?  I'll go with that.  Well said.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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Tuffdog-Too many variables and unknowns?  There's only one way to combat  that problem.  Find the answers.  When a person starts med school there are a lot of unknowns as well.  Eventually you get answers as you go along if you're willing to put in the time and energy..  To simply  hope everything's okay in the morning is a bit lazy with  a good helping of wishful thinking  IMO.

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gg- ,the co2  and other factors,... Yes,  nobody knows the magnitude or the timeline we are dealing with.

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fishmahn can i ask you a serious question????

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Poor FISH! You still are avoiding the responsibility of the IPCC model review you brought into this! Show us those models compared to the actual occurrence. You are again going to be asked to put up or shut up!

You staked your argument on the validity of these models and now are trying to say other models show X vs Y! You cannot deflect to another topic, you have to face the music!

So I am sure the DNC can provide you with the IPCC model graphs as your employer. They are after all what you where told to post to win the argument. Now bring them on! All the other BS you spew is mute if you cannot back your play regarding YOUR claim about the models the IPCC review!

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Are you rustneversleeps????

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gg- ,the co2  and other factors,... Yes,  nobody knows the magnitude or the timeline we are dealing with.

I hope these "other factors" you speak of havnen't gone vertical too.  Now you've got me worried.  I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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fishmahn Said:
Tuffdog-Too many variables and unknowns?  There's only one way to combat  that problem.  Find the answers.  When a person starts med school there are a lot of unknowns as well.  Eventually you get answers as you go along if you're willing to put in the time and energy..  To simply  hope everything's okay in the morning is a bit lazy with  a good helping of wishful thinking  IMO.

The answers we have been given so far on AGW are too inconclusive and some are skewed. I am sure we will come to an answer someday. But it will be way after anyone talking on here is gone. In fact, I can give you an answer right now but you won't like it.

I beg to differ on being lazy, gettting up in the morning and worrying that the earth is going to melt is counterproductive.

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Dr. Roy Spencer on New Global Warming Research: NASA data proves computer models bogus. 

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fishmahn Said:
gg- ,the co2  and other factors,... Yes,  nobody knows the magnitude or the timeline we are dealing with.

I hope these "other factors" you speak of havnen't gone vertical too.  Now you've got me worried.  I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight.

Hell I woke up this morning partially vertical

 

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gg- ,the co2  and other factors,... Yes,  nobody knows the magnitude or the timeline we are dealing with.

I hope these "other factors" you speak of havnen't gone vertical too.  Now you've got me worried.  I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight.

Hell I woke up this morning partially vertical

Ha ha ha

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Only partially?  Heck when I tried to aim it at the toilet this morning, my heels came off the floor.

I say to hell with that pot o' gold.

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Only partially?  Heck when I tried to aim it at the toilet this morning, my heels came off the floor.

that my friend is the definition of "true torque"

 

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Allen rules.  There's no way in hell I'd read through all that data in an attempt to convert two or three shiite disturbers.  I remember from grade school:  Plants inhale CO2.  Plants exhale oxygen.  That's enough for me.

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Allen rules.  There's no way in hell I'd read through all that data in an attempt to convert two or three shiite disturbers.  I remember from grade school:  Plants inhale CO2.  Plants exhale oxygen.  That's enough for me.

does Allen speak for the trees?

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Allen rules.  There's no way in hell I'd read through all that data in an attempt to convert two or three shiite disturbers.  I remember from grade school:  Plants inhale CO2.  Plants exhale oxygen.  That's enough for me.

does Allen speak for the trees?

Well, at least you didn't ask if I woke up vertical or partially verticle.

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p.s. I think scary man should also get some kind of recognition for knowing the avatar.  Congrats, you are the first to actually bring it up.

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Allen does speak for the Tree.

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Allen does speak for the Tree.

which tree?

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Mainly, The Hickory and The Beech.

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Yes, differences of opinion are good things.  I just don't buy into the hype.  Even if fishmahn is right, big deal.  So what if the world is getting warmer.  Populations will balance themselves out.  Relax, this sort of thing will take thousands of years to play out.

What actually does concern me is the nuclear potential humans have.  We have figured out how to bring the power of the sun to the surface of the earth.  In the wrong hands, that could really mess things up.  But then again, God gave us our brains, and if thats our demise, then so be it.

I haven't really kept a tab on this thread the last few weeks, but what I do know,  when you mix words like 'God' in with a scientific debate, credibility pretty much gets thrown right out the window.

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Yes, differences of opinion are good things.  I just don't buy into the hype.  Even if fishmahn is right, big deal.  So what if the world is getting warmer.  Populations will balance themselves out.  Relax, this sort of thing will take thousands of years to play out.

What actually does concern me is the nuclear potential humans have.  We have figured out how to bring the power of the sun to the surface of the earth.  In the wrong hands, that could really mess things up.  But then again, God gave us our brains, and if thats our demise, then so be it.

I haven't really kept a tab on this thread the last few weeks, but what I do know,  when you mix words like 'God' in with a scientific debate, credibility pretty much gets thrown right out the window.

One could also say that opinions brought on by disregarding the power of  'God' or 'Mother Nature' are without credibility.

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Yes, differences of opinion are good things.  I just don't buy into the hype.  Even if fishmahn is right, big deal.  So what if the world is getting warmer.  Populations will balance themselves out.  Relax, this sort of thing will take thousands of years to play out.

What actually does concern me is the nuclear potential humans have.  We have figured out how to bring the power of the sun to the surface of the earth.  In the wrong hands, that could really mess things up.  But then again, God gave us our brains, and if thats our demise, then so be it.

I haven't really kept a tab on this thread the last few weeks, but what I do know,  when you mix words like 'God' in with a scientific debate, credibility pretty much gets thrown right out the window.

One could also say that opinions brought on by disregarding the power of  'God' or 'Mother Nature' are without credibility.

Not really. Well, at least not at this time anyway. When there is no scientific proof of such a thing, it's hard to apply it to science which deals with the natural world.

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BringingTheRain Said:

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Yes, differences of opinion are good things.  I just don't buy into the hype.  Even if fishmahn is right, big deal.  So what if the world is getting warmer.  Populations will balance themselves out.  Relax, this sort of thing will take thousands of years to play out.

What actually does concern me is the nuclear potential humans have.  We have figured out how to bring the power of the sun to the surface of the earth.  In the wrong hands, that could really mess things up.  But then again, God gave us our brains, and if thats our demise, then so be it.

I haven't really kept a tab on this thread the last few weeks, but what I do know,  when you mix words like 'God' in with a scientific debate, credibility pretty much gets thrown right out the window.

One could also say that opinions brought on by disregarding the power of  'God' or 'Mother Nature' are without credibility.

Not really. Well, at least not at this time anyway. When there is no scientific proof of such a thing, it's hard to apply it to science which deals with the natural world.

"the natural world" which 'God' created?

"The only enemy of guns is rust and politicians."

"The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry."

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"Unarmed helplessness is for sheep and the French."  Ted Nugent

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
 -Thomas Jefferson

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
-Thomas Jefferson

 

 

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Yes, differences of opinion are good things.  I just don't buy into the hype.  Even if fishmahn is right, big deal.  So what if the world is getting warmer.  Populations will balance themselves out.  Relax, this sort of thing will take thousands of years to play out.

What actually does concern me is the nuclear potential humans have.  We have figured out how to bring the power of the sun to the surface of the earth.  In the wrong hands, that could really mess things up.  But then again, God gave us our brains, and if thats our demise, then so be it.

I haven't really kept a tab on this thread the last few weeks, but what I do know,  when you mix words like 'God' in with a scientific debate, credibility pretty much gets thrown right out the window.

One could also say that opinions brought on by disregarding the power of  'God' or 'Mother Nature' are without credibility.

Not really. Well, at least not at this time anyway. When there is no scientific proof of such a thing, it's hard to apply it to science which deals with the natural world.

"the natural world" which 'God' created?

Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Not faith.

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Got my bow tag this past weekend at Scheels in Grand Forks.  Drove 3 hours to get it. it is in the 7000 for a number.
Measures under 8 and 1/4 inches by 4 inches.
Met a young couple who just got back from Canada.
Both have a DUI and live in Minnesota.  I guess this is the norm for those that live in Minnesota.
So now I know three people who go to Canada with DUIs.
Maybe wrong site to state but as good as any site. 
thanks db

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