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The Earth was flat for around 4.5 billion years and became round in the past "few" years.

How many years did it take for humans to believe that the world was round when someone said it?

Just remember this Farnorth,  along time ago, money was not involved in science.

Einstein did his thing working in a patent office and that was recent. 

You're serious right?  Money was ALWAYS involved in science and research.

Why do you think Columbus (an Italian) was financed by Spain?  WTF?  Do you think ANY of our technological advances would have been possible without either monetary funding up front or the potential to get it later.  Get a clue.

I'm not arguing the whole Global Warming thing.  There is plenty more data to collect and studies to be done.  To say it is all a hoax is retarded. 

I simply looked at the section of the NASA website.  So, do you think NASA is some massive Left Wing conspiracy?

 

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 As to the discussions of coral reefs, here is a link that addresses that very topic.

http://www.nipccreport.org/articles/2011/mar/22mar2011a4.html

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Ah! Bigguy why did you have to go and kick sand in his face in his own sand box?

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Ah! Bigguy why did you have to go and kick sand in his face in his own sand box?

LOL.  It's amazing, there's one guy on here arguing on behalf of global warming against what a dozen or so that realize the hoax in it.  you all must realize there's one in every crowd,lol. 

 

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Farnorth Said:

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The Earth was flat for around 4.5 billion years and became round in the past "few" years.

How many years did it take for humans to believe that the world was round when someone said it?

Just remember this Farnorth,  along time ago, money was not involved in science.

Einstein did his thing working in a patent office and that was recent. 

You're serious right?  Money was ALWAYS involved in science and research.

Why do you think Columbus (an Italian) was financed by Spain?  WTF?  Do you think ANY of our technological advances would have been possible without either monetary funding up front or the potential to get it later.  Get a clue.

I'm not arguing the whole Global Warming thing.  There is plenty more data to collect and studies to be done.  To say it is all a hoax is retarded. 

I simply looked at the section of the NASA website.  So, do you think NASA is some massive Left Wing conspiracy?

 

Any other questions?

Apparently English is not your native language.  Read what you put in red and try to understand the difference between criticizing the ACTIONS somebody is taking and calling THEM a name.  

If you don't understand the difference then you truly are a MORON.  Good grief.

BTW, that's not labeling you.  If you understand the difference and see where you are incorrect then the name does not apply.  Otherwise, feel free to wear the sign.

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Gee guys,
I really shouldn't be working and let some of you get so carried away in my absence.  Where should I start?  I can't believe the nipcc stuff was listed here.  This really doesn't strengthen your already anemic argument guys.  Ever heard of Fred Singer?  At one time I thought he was quite a gifted person but it seems he came a little unhinged.  Before you brought up the wonderful link I knew him best for his disbelief in regard to second hand smoke.    He called the studies done linking it to cancer as "junk science".   This was going on in  the early 90's. Guess what guys?  Big tobacco was paying for his "research".    He claimed he didn't know where the money was coming from.   Believe him???AFter this he headed up you guess ....The nipcc ( the global warming nay sayers).  Your donation however will remain hidden in their ledgers.T
Barney aka eyexr-You just can't win can you? *l* Thanks however for your silly comment.  At least your trying to contribute.

Why is it when a discussion starts on this site and something initially could be learned it degenerates to the point of lunacy?  Statements like we can't affect our environment.  The forested areas are as high now as in the past. ( I was nice on that one)  Or al Gore was destroyed in his presidential bid.  Good gawd man can you say recount???  In retrospect he was destroyed by a faulty system at that time.  Is that what you were trying to say?? *s*  Or the earth and oceans will always cleanse themselves regardless of our activity.
I feel several of you are perhaps a little too provincial and  if you have the resources to get out and witness somethings out of your backyard do it. Travel a little and  experience what is happening at least down the block.

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fish, STILL not answering questions and simply making condescending statements linked to your superior intelect? 

And you seem surprised no one is racing to embrace your ideals. Go figure.

By the way are they "your" ideologies or simply those regurgetated by other "useful idiots" that think like you? You know all those people with a willie over Fox!

I do beleive we as humans have an effect on our enviroment around us. To the degree that we are effecting the changes some wish us to beleive to further their own agendas that we are substantially more effective on the claim of "global warming" than the other non man made phenomenons that have occured over the ions thru out the history of this planet???? 

I'll wait to see more UNBIASED NON AGENDA BASED "science" before jumping on any band wagon. Till then I try to do my insignificant part in bettering the world we live into the degree I can and wish to.

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Fishmahn,
Don't even begin to blab the Algore won the popular vote tripe here unless you want to try to defend the voter fraud perpetrated in Missouri, Oregon, Michigan, South Dakota, and numerous other states. More people voting in a county than lived there(WI), dead people voting on Indian reservations(SD), busing people from precinct to precinct to vote multiple times(MO), allowing convicted felony inmates to vote(FL), sending hundreds of thousands of voter ID cards to non-citizens(OR & CA) with Bill Clinton's signature on the instruction letter. And these are just a few of the examples. That is one horse that just doesn't need to be kicked again.

As far as the NIPCC stuff goes, it has as much if not more credibility as the biased and non peer reviewed fluff you have been referencing. Once again, over 31,000 scientists in the U.S. alone disagree with you and your position. Your condescension is getting tiresome and does nothing to further your cause. If you weren't so insufferably arrogant you would realize you are not changing anyone's mind and simply withdraw from the field. There are two sides, both using scientific studies to support their position, with completely different conclusions. Time to put on your big boy pants and let it go.

Btw, if I had to guess your occupation, you must be an attorney. You are very good at memorizing and regurgitating what you have read.

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heck of a discussion. talk about a group of rams butting their heads together. lol. anyone got a headache yet?  i ain't about to get into the debate about the merits of AGW again cause its pointless.  but, i've got to respond to the idea that we couldn't possibly influence our environment... that is just plain silly!  maybe we are maybe we aren't... you guys can work that out amongst yourself and your god.  but, i really can't see how there can be any doubt that our actions on this earth have the potential to affect its climate.  imnsho, we are much more than an insignificant piece to the puzzle. 

Climate and environment are related but also are very different. I didn't say we couldn't affect the environment. We sure do. The climate as a whole is much bigger. Again, our climate has done what it wants to when it wants to no matter what or who has inhabited it. Just like the Missouri River is doing now. Smaller scale though.

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Voter fraud?  You mean like what  the republican attorney general (mccains' campaign co manager) did in Wisconsin during the Mccain run?  IF you want a list of altering  votes I can offer  plenty if you want to get into that.  IF you recall a "person"  made reference to Gores poor showing in his presidential run.  Obviously he didn't know Gore won the popular vote by 500000 votes and lost by only 5 electoral votes. YOu call me insufferably arrogant.  I guess calling someone on rediculous statements  merits that  "name calling" in your mind. 
Perhaps if you got away from your  political ideologies and realized we're dealing with a subject that is supported not nationally but internationally by the scientific community you could actually go to pull ups yourself.   YOu said I'm not changing anyone's mind.  How insufferably arrogant of you to make such a data deprived,  baseless statement.  I know for a fact a lot of people just look in and are appalled by some of the comments.  I get many pms. btw most of them speaking quite favorably.     If you get right down to it  "Unfettered industrial capitalism" is what this is about   pure and simple.  To admit anything else would be a  failure of your ideology.
BTW I have a background in lab and clinical science and yes I tend to remember things.

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Voter fraud?  You mean like what  the republican attorney general (mccains' campaign co manager) did in Wisconsin during the Mccain run?  IF you want a list of altering  votes I can offer  plenty if you want to get into that.  IF you recall a "person"  made reference to Gores poor showing in his presidential run.  Obviously he didn't know Gore won the popular vote by 500000 votes and lost by only 5 electoral votes. YOu call me insufferably arrogant.  I guess calling someone on rediculous statements  merits that  "name calling" in your mind. 
Perhaps if you got away from your  political ideologies and realized we're dealing with a subject that is supported not nationally but internationally by the scientific community you could actually go to pull ups yourself.   YOu said I'm not changing anyone's mind.  How insufferably arrogant of you to make such a data deprived,  baseless statement.  I know for a fact a lot of people just look in and are appalled by some of the comments.  I get many pms. btw most of them speaking quite favorably.     If you get right down to it  "Unfettered industrial capitalism" is what this is about   pure and simple.  To admit anything else would be a  failure of your ideology.
BTW I have a background in lab and clinical science and yes I tend to remember things.

I love how you defend everything the left does even though their track record is horrible.   Look at all the blue states- they are broke.   Look at all the beloved programs created by the left like social security and medicare- they are broke.   Welfare and food stamps are a disaster.  Then there is the EPA running rampant and killing off business all in the name of  "saving the environment".    Some environmental rules and regulations are needed but you have to admit we are way past reasonable regulation.

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Gutshot,
Since you responded personally I will in kind. It's the kind of statement you just made that makes suspect any of your future postings. It lacks research on your part. This generalized bit of diction is just that and has no real value. For one thing all blue states are not broke. Some of the poorer situations are in red states as well. Also It's not always politics that dictates a states rise to prosperity or the poor house. Right now NOrth Dakota is doing well financially because of several things such as the Baaken oil activity which affects other segments of our economy. AS far as proceeds in vs.. amount taken from the federal government this as you well know is not always the case. YOu have to consider our basic economy , weather conditions influencing that etc. AGain, if you would do research and review old posts you would also know I do not support unbridled welfare. (SCroll back and you'll find that)
The EPA running rampant.? You mean like their capabilities as far as the clean water act which are non? Does that make you feel pretty good? Once again a blanket statement. Without some regulation the fox is left to watch the chickens. What makes you think I endorse all so called liberal agendas? I did not vote a straight ticket at the last election. I voted, to the best of my ability, for the person I thought would perform the best. Being tied to something as rigidly as you appear to be must make it difficult to keep an open mind.

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Which blue state is not broke?


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For some reason every time I read fishmahns comments I can't help myself but to go back to this little article referencing the term "useful idiots".

Quote: Learning is a full time job, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, until the very moment your ticker tocks and you find yourself sporting a cloud and a harp. Some people, though, seem to think that retirement on learning starts at around age twenty. Useful idiots are commonly men and women who are intelligent enough to retain information but not driven enough to research its validity, or to follow a thought through to its logical conclusion. They very often work in professional fields such as law, business, medicine, politics, engineering, media, entertainment, etc. (though there are many others in these fields who are not caught up in their own delusional worlds). These are people in a position to influence others just by the virtue of their work, regardless of how clueless they actually are.

Lacking knowledge is not such a terrible crime as long as you are willing to admit that you do. There is always someone out there who is going to know more than you about some things, if not many things. That’s life. Useful idiots, on the other hand, are rarely willing to admit that they are lacking in any department. They usually have just enough knowledge to make themselves “convincing” to those who don’t recognize them for what they are. In this way they are a sort of mini-Chernobyl, waiting to spew radioactive waste (disinformation) at any given moment, mutating public opinion.

Their ability to think is limited to memorization. The problem with this way of viewing the world is that it excludes critical thought, intuition, empathy, and wisdom. It traps us in a box composed of all the things we have been TAUGHT, but keeps us from the things we could discover on our own.
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So fish, take a little time and go back and answer directly questions that have been asked of you regarding this discussion or realize simple condescending statements will likely give you limited credibility.

Here is one to start with, You referenced a theory regarding period in time where warming global temps were thought to have been the result of a change in the earts orbital pattern. Can your facts show that perhaps this same "theory" might be in fact happening as we debate mans causation of global warming? What are the odds if as you claim it happened once before, it could be happening again?

What support for of funding for research would there be if the scientific community came out and said much like in the past this is what is happening and there is nothing our research can do to prevent it?

Perhaps there is as much "unfettered" supposition void of solid unbiased scientific fact going on to continue these sources of funding for "research" as there is capitalism!

Perhaps these green agenda scientists are merely a "tool" being used by people such as Al Gore who are making "unfettered" amounts of money thru capitalistic ventures based on the "research" of these "useful idiots" , err,  I mean "scientists"?

Perhaps it is the scientists themselves who are the "unfettered" "capitalists" by creating a slanted form of biased "scientific" "fact"  to continue the money flowing in to continue their paychecks.

There is sound unbiased research going on, but all to often the people with an agenda are not attracted to it as it does little to serve a purpose of furthering an agenda. All to often people with an agenda beleive they are simply a little bit smarter than others who simply are not as "informed" or "educated". All too often these people are simply used by someone who is indeed much smarter than they who has their own unconnected agenda most of these "useful idiots" would be appalled by if they only had the insight and intutition to realize what was happening.

But then again this could simply be the ramblings of a "useful idiot" and fish has been right all along.

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EPA running rampant.? You mean like their capabilities as far as the clean water act which are non? Does that make you feel pretty good?

Fish what do you know about the drive by the EPA to drop the word "navigable" from the discription of the waters they have control over the regulation of?   What do you know about the effects this change in regulatory powers would have?  

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We're tired of your racism fishmahn.

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GST-I'm busy but will respond to your question. This has already been discussed long ago. Until the early 1960's this intensity of the sun was increasing which would make you think that could be happening now right???The fact is this intensity is measureable and has been DECREASING ever since the 60's so it obviously is not the missing ingredient. The air and sea temps are however increasing at an even faster rate. And as far as an "AGENDA" one can only hope intelligence trumps those with an agenda can't we?

Svnmag-you're.....amusing *s*

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Nothing amusing about racism.

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Will you answer my question? It should be easy for you to answer.



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For one thing all blue states are not broke.

Name one state that was blue controlled prior to the 2010 election that is not in fiscal problems where commitments outweigh revenue! Just one Fish!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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GST-I'm busy but will respond to your question. This has already been discussed long ago. Until the early 1960's this intensity of the sun was increasing which would make you think that could be happening now right???The fact is this intensity is measureable and has been DECREASING ever since the 60's so it obviously is not the missing ingredient. The air and sea temps are however increasing at an even faster rate. And as far as an "AGENDA" one can only hope intelligence trumps those with an agenda can't we?

Svnmag-you're.....amusing *s*

So exactly how was the suns intensity measured factually prior to the 1960's?

Are you once again referencing the 10 year blink you mentioned earlier regarding the Earths warming temps as a basis to judge a directional path of a planet that has been here hundreds of  thousands of years and admittedly experienced the very same thing prior to mans usage of the fossil fuels that you claim is now soley man made as a result of "unfettered industrial capitalism??

How do you propose to solve this earth ending climactic catastrophe and continue to provide what is essential for mans existance on this planet?

Do you beleive you are smarter than most involved in this discussion?

How do we know factually the Earths orbit was changed back ions about from what it is now or what it was before, and how the technologies we have today is able to determine if the Earths orbit is NOT changing in the miniscule yearly path within a million year pattern that was claimed to have happened in previous "global warming" episodes?

How do we not know based on your conclusive evidence of the suns intensity decreasing yet Earths temps rising that it is not some miniscule shift in the Earths very core undetectable to current science and unimpacted by man, much as the shifts in the Suns intensity was not detectable to science merely 50 years ago that is influencing the Earths outer rising temps over the last "10 year period" 

Can you show any legitimate science that is claiming an evolving global pattern change based on a "10 year" snap shot in time given the histroy  of the ions involved in previous global changes?  

Just a handful of questions for you to answer if you would. Remember now, you wish to converse in fact and not theory. I could take the time to look up the answers on Al's internet, but am curious to hear your slant on them!

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For one thing all blue states are not broke.

Name one state that was blue controlled prior to the 2010 election that is not in fiscal problems where commitments outweigh revenue! Just one Fish!

Or even a "blue" major city.

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4.57 billion years...lets comprehend that before we start making assumptions and conclusions based on patterns and changes in  the last 10, 50, or 100.

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GST- Hmmm,, ARe you retired ? *l* Nevertheless...The snapshot in time you spoke of only becomes unique when it's outstanding for a period involving 650000 yrs. as I stated before. It shows a trend and a direction we may be heading from industrial times and before. IF these changes hadn't been accelerating since the industrial rev. we wouldn't be talking .would we? It appears from past experiences yes, life has changed and it's very likely there is a tipping point where it hits the fan. This is demonstrated at different times during the "maturation" of our planet. Once again natural occurrences do not mean we can't help push the planet to that tipping point. AS far as measuring intensity that can be picked up by carbon 14 dating. When intensity is low the sun's magnetic fields allow more cosmic rays into our system so carbon 14 abundance goes up. Go examine a tree ring. YOu then go on to ask could it be this or that? I agree, let's look at as many variables as possible. Don't cry conspiracy by all the major international scientific organizations and send them packing! That smells of political agendas and little else. The more data you have the more accurate conclusion you should arrive at. So get the data and hopefully come to a logical conclusion so if there is that tipping point we don't ignorantly help it along

REd states blue states-as far as deficits I believe there are around 46 states that will run a projected 2012 deficit. Does this mean they're all broke? Not really does it? Not only that what constitutes a red or blue states? How come some states vote Dem one year and Repub the next. Take for instance our state, a red state that until recently had all democratic congressmen. So if the majority are repubs why the Dems? Or do theyse people have no affect on our state? Link , past governor was Democrat. IF one wants to look at poverty levels look at states like Texas, Lousiana, Arizona, Tennessee, Oklahoma , Mississippi to name a few. They're' all running at between 15 and 20% poverty level.
One has to look what happening economically within a state just not politically. North Dakota and the farm belt gets a lot from the fed treasury in the form of ag subsidies in one way or another. I'm not saying this is bad as a matter of fact I agree it's necessary for survival over the long hall. It's just one thing that's available here and with a small population it adds up. Take that away and review the history of the state and see where we might have been.

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multi-You should read a little closer. YOu seem to be missing the point. I'm talking unique figures and a trend dating back to over 650,00 years ago and it coincidentally began it's climb after the industrial rev. Seems to me the natural reaction would be to do a little more investigation instead of dismissing something of this possible magnitude. Again, to even speak of the possibility of this to some seems to be an admission of failed political ideology.

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multi-You should read a little closer. YOu seem to be missing the point. I'm talking unique figures and a trend dating back to over 650,00 years ago and it coincidentally began it's climb after the industrial rev. Seems to me the natural reaction would be to do a little more investigation instead of dismissing something of this possible magnitude. Again, to even speak of the possibility of this to some seems to be an admission of failed political ideology.

Do you really believe all the "data" spewed out by the global warming alarmists?   How many times have they got caught fudging data?   Gee they wouldn't alter data so they can get more grant money would they?  Nah, never.  

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GST- Hmmm,, ARe you retired ? *l* Nevertheless...The snapshot in time you spoke of only becomes unique when it's outstanding for a period involving 650000 yrs. as I stated before. It shows a trend and a direction we may be heading from industrial times and before. IF these changes hadn't been accelerating since the industrial rev. we wouldn't be talking .would we? It appears from past experiences yes, life has changed and it's very likely there is a tipping point where it hits the fan. This is demonstrated at different times during the "maturation" of our planet. Once again natural occurrences do not mean we can't help push the planet to that tipping point. AS far as measuring intensity that can be picked up by carbon 14 dating. When intensity is low the sun's magnetic fields allow more cosmic rays into our system so carbon 14 abundance goes up. Go examine a tree ring. YOu then go on to ask could it be this or that? I agree, let's look at as many variables as possible. Don't cry conspiracy by all the major international scientific organizations and send them packing! That smells of political agendas and little else. The more data you have the more accurate conclusion you should arrive at. So get the data and hopefully come to a logical conclusion so if there is that tipping point we don't ignorantly help it along

fish, not retired, but some days require a bit more time sitting at a desk with paper work than being outside.   I will let any number of others deal with your red state blue state claims. But tell me regarding the part of your statement I underlined and emboldened how you are not doing the very thing you are suggesting others are? Any "scientific data" that does not fit your agenda is simply a "conspiracy of the industrial capitalism" that is ruining the Earth.

You repeatedly dismiss other "data" you do not accept rather than including it in a formula to come to a "logical conclusion" and all the while doing so in a condescending manner. Have you ever once considered people such as Al Gore, the king of global warming might just be chuckling all the way to the bank? 1$ for global warming research, 100$ for me, 1$ for Global warming research, 100$ for me.

Political agendas????? How many votes do you beleive Al Gores global warming claims and his "green" promises earned him in his run for President? How much about his personal financial windfalls do you think these voters knew? How many dollars where thrown into his campaign in the hopes of a renewed commitment to spending even more dollars in research and regulations based on a "theory" by people who have created their livihoods in this arena?

Once again for some reason I find myself thinking of the article I posted discussing "useful idiots"

fish as I said please show credible unbiased sound science that will claim a 10 year "snapshot" is a credible basis for examining a 650,000 year peiod wether it is "outstanding" or not. While your at it show me the science that can accurately identify  within this 650,000 time period that shows not one single other 10 "snapshot"  in time ever had warming levels of what you are suggesting we base our beleif in your whole arguement on. This science to examine a 10 year slice out of 650,000 simply does not exist, and any "scientist" that claims they can go back and isolate a 10 year  time frame withing these 650,000 years is selling a bill of goods. Hell sometimes it is hard to even get a good count on the rings in a tree thats cut down!!!

 

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I really shouldn't be working and let some of you get so carried away in my absence.  Where should I start?  I can't believe the nipcc stuff was listed here.  This really doesn't strengthen your already anemic argument guys.  Ever heard of Fred Singer?  At one time I thought he was quite a gifted person but it seems he came a little unhinged.  Before you brought up the wonderful link I knew him best for his disbelief in regard to second hand smoke.    He called the studies done linking it to cancer as "junk science".   This was going on in  the early 90's. Guess what guys?  Big tobacco was paying for his "research".    He claimed he didn't know where the money was coming from.   Believe him???AFter this he headed up you guess ....The nipcc ( the global warming nay sayers).  Your donation however will remain hidden in their ledgers.T
Barney aka eyexr-You just can't win can you? *l* Thanks however for your silly comment.  At least your trying to contribute.

Why is it when a discussion starts on this site and something initially could be learned it degenerates to the point of lunacy?  Statements like we can't affect our environment.  The forested areas are as high now as in the past. ( I was nice on that one)  Or al Gore was destroyed in his presidential bid.  Good gawd man can you say recount???  In retrospect he was destroyed by a faulty system at that time.  Is that what you were trying to say?? *s*  Or the earth and oceans will always cleanse themselves regardless of our activity.
I feel several of you are perhaps a little too provincial and  if you have the resources to get out and witness somethings out of your backyard do it. Travel a little and  experience what is happening at least down the block.

still waiting on your response to all the articles I listed.  You seem to be dodging them considerably. 

 

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guys, I know this is fun but come on, the dude seriously has some issues.  with him it's very much like "it depends on your definition of is".  He's living in the world where if the greenazi's tell him the sky is green for three or four days in a row, by god he's going to come on here and tell us the sky is green.  then throw out all kinds of garbage the greenazi's baked up to support his green theory.   It's rather sporting isn't it?

 

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