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Sportsman, I am not going to ask you wether you tell people this is unethical or not when you are talking with them because I believe that is each individuals choice to make and you certainly have the right to make that arguement. But I am curious if you tell people these are legally defined privately owned domestic animals that the state gives the same consideration as other privately owned livestock, or as Sponsor Gary Masching claimed they are wild animals that belong to the people?

If you are advocating for this measure with truthful honest facts, I actually support your right and ability to do so, and even have a degree of respect for the fact you are involved. As I have said repeatedly , I believe the creation of law should be based on truthful facts. If SOME of the sponsors had simply stuck to this standard, much of ths debate would not have been necessary.

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pber Said:

db is right.  Everyone needs to talk to people or write letters to the editors. It really needs to be emphasized what this measure is about and what it will do. People need to know these animals are privately owned domestic animals called "farmed elk" and deer.

I found out yesterday as I was talking to various people that some have already voted yes by absentee ballot because:

1.  They thought this measure was to save endangered species.

2. They thought this measure was to save "wild" animals.

3. They thought this measure was to save hunting.

www.ndpropertyrights.com
 

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pber is right. I have been talking to several people about this measure also.

Is it possable  the voters of ND have been mislead by this group.

http://www.nd.gov/sos/electvote/elections/docs/petition20090821.pdf

It is Hard to believe with a measure being about ethics.  Some of these people that sponsor this measure are government employees,paid from the taxes of the people who have been mislead.

It is much clearer now why now of the sponsors will NOT answer questions about this measure.

 

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Ron It is good to see a sponsor from the first HF measure comes forward and gave his reason for not sponsoring the secound measure.  No HSUS envloment in the FC measures?    This is a post on Nodak by Bruce Hansen (Plainsman)  Admit Ron the FC group has been in bed with the HSUS from the beginning.
 
 http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86288
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Re: Measure 2 Help for a dummy

Postby Plainsman » Sun Oct 10, 2010 6:35 am

I remember seeing adds against high fence hunting way back in the 1980's. To be honest those could have come from an animal rights group, or anyone else for that matter because I don't remember. Those who started these operations should have known they were taking a risk. Since I worked in wildlife and am interested in wha't happening I have watched these things. For the past ten years this has been coming more and more to the forefront.

Maybe some ranchers/farmers should have sat down with these guys when they drew up the petition. If I remember offers were made to the high fence people, but they simply thumbed their nose because they thought they had the legislature in their pocket. Many say just don't call it hunting. I think that was also brought up to the high fence crowd and they just laughed. They have had their chance to change slightly, now the big change is coming. To bad they were so arrogant.

Now if you would just give the same kind of honest answer about why you are not involved with this measure this time around that you gave me awhile back if you recall.

You have a big mouth gst, and I will never tell you anything again. Just so people don't read to much into this I will answer it. I was ticked that Roger even talked to HSUS because I have zero respect for HSUS or PETA. I also had some better ideas, but they came to me and asked me to support it again without even a chance to read it. That I thought was disrespectful so screw them. Anyway, just because a few acted like a$$eS doesn't mean it isn't the right thing to do. I will still vote for it, but I will not get anymore involved with those people than I will you again. You want to talk in pm's then run your mouth about what is said. You betrayed trust and I have no reason to answer any questions for you anymore
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At least Hansen could see what will happen with the HSUS.

We are going to use the ballot box and the democratic process to stop all hunting in the United States… We will take it species by species until all hunting is stopped in California. Then we will take it state by state." – Wayne Pacelle, quoted in an interview published in the magazine Full Cry, October 1990

 

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 wtf i cant let measure five with longest thread award

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Hell Kurt, they are brought to you by the same people.

You know those "true sportsmen".

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Kurtr, you old pot stir'er.

Thanks for posting this. I went back and read some of the old threads.

Old lies for new. I truly don't know how Plains, Gilmore and some others can eat so much HUMBLE PIE.

Anyway, Ducks Unlimited thinks they can be a better steward of the land. A few years ago they signed a Memorandum of Understanding with the Natural Resources Conservation Service. NRCS. These non-profit employees have been making inroads (boots on the ground) into this service arm of the USDA. Not everyone is OK with that.

For every action there is a reaction. There is a new awareness about DU. The NRCS may not be sub contracting work to DU employees in the future. They are going to be thrown out.

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Wow!  Fritz and Wheat Growers Association have joined the "paranoid".  DU provides support on the delivery of conservation assistance and has nothing to do with any of the enforcement provisions in the Farm Bill.

Most of the NRCS field office staff are farmers themselves or have relatives who are farmers.  Some even serve in the county in which they grew up.  Maybe the rest of us should be concerned that their views are slanted toward their neighbors and don't fully support the rules and regulations they are hired to enforce.

The same goes for FSA employees.  They handle the payments that farmers receive in their subsidies.  Maybe we should ensure that none of them are farmers themselves or have family in the business.

Get a life!

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KurtR Said:
 wtf i cant let measure five with longest thread award

Neat

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johnr Said:

KurtR Said:
 wtf i cant let measure five with longest thread award

Bump 

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We need some high fence border control.
Ebola is fur real

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johnr Said:
We need some high fence border control.
Ebola is fur real

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