Hog farm proposed uphill of Devils Lake!

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Hog farm proposed uphill of Devils Lake!

I just found out that a hog farm has been proposed to be constructed uphill of Devils Lake ND.  When I first heard about this I thought it was a joke as why on earth would anyone let a hog farm happen in the direct run off path to the lake.  

But nope, not a joke, someone has applied for a permit to build a hog farm uphill from the lake.

I did some digging and apparently hog farms and lakes don't mix, in particular in Green Bay within the Great Lakes which has "dead zones" where lacking oxygen strikes the bay in most summers. Nutrients such as manure flow into the lake and help produce algae which causes the issues.

Lets just imagine that for a minute; Devils Lake goes from a rockstar fishery to a summer "dead zone" for fish and even more algae.  Now wouldn't that be a kick to the gut.

I've been told that the ND Health Department has never turned down one of these applications (I'm not sure if that is true or not, I find it hard to believe, but who knows).  My ask is for any and all concerned anglers to call in the ND Health Department and find out what they are doing to ensure the lake isn't negatively impacted by this or any hog farms.  The phone number is 701-328-2372 and they will transfer you to the Water Quality department.

ND isn't like MN who has a very powerful DNR which protects the resources.  ND is much more of a agricultural backed state, as sportsmen we need to do our part to help protect the natural resources we value.  Please take 5 min to express any concern you may have to a proposed hog farm uphill of Devils Lake.

 

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This should never be allowed.  It would devastate Devils Lake as a fishery and a tourism hub.

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Davis Schmidt wrote:

This should never be allowed.  It would devastate Devils Lake as a fishery and a tourism hub.

Totally agree, but if we don't call in and make our voices heard it will absolutely happen.  The permit has been sent in and if it is a rubber stamp effort vs. and actual evaluation we may all be seeing piglet poo next to our walleyes next spring.

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You guys are funny. Do you have any idea how many hoops this hog farm will have to jump through to make this happen? It will have to be a confiment system with lagoons and the works. It's not going to be draining into the lake with little piggies swimming laps.

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Cowbell wrote:

You guys are funny. Do you have any idea how many hoops this hog farm will have to jump through to make this happen? It will have to be a confiment system with lagoons and the works. It's not going to be draining into the lake with little piggies swimming laps.

I figured that they would have to have containment systems.  Do we know where they are wanting to build it?

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Davis Schmidt wrote:

 

Cowbell wrote:

You guys are funny. Do you have any idea how many hoops this hog farm will have to jump through to make this happen? It will have to be a confiment system with lagoons and the works. It's not going to be draining into the lake with little piggies swimming laps.

I figured that they would have to have containment systems.  Do we know where they are wanting to build it?

East side of Pelican

Containment means absolutely nothing when the lake is down hill from the site.  Its a war with gravity.  

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Here are a couple of paragraphs printed in the GF Herald several days ago.

 

Grand Prairie Agriculture submitted an application June 19 to for a livestock waste system on a concentrated animal feeding operation to be located in Pelican Township, on the edge of the waters of Devils Lake, south of Churchs Ferry, N.D. The permit is for a planned swine farm that would produce about 44,000 piglets per year. The farm, if approved, would start with 1,928 sows.

The soil at the waste storage and farrowing barn site is described in the application as lean clay and sandy loam. The gestation barn sits 2.6 feet above the ground surface from the seasonal high water table, according to the application. The farrowing barn is 5.8 feet above the seasonal high water table.

 

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This should never be allowed.  It would devastate Devils Lake as a fishery and a tourism hub.

Ya, they should never bury oil pipelines under lakes and rivers either.....water is life man. frown

There happens ot be another outdoors site that has some actual facts regarding the process and regulations. 

http://nodakangler.com/forums/showthread.php?9957-Pig-barns-near-Devils-...

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​I have to agree that it should not happen but... if you go up around Cando ND you will find several big hog farms that are close to the colies that all flow right into Devils Lake. Not sure how many hoops it took them to get to build there?

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Yep, there have been hog farms around the lake for decades. So the sky isn't falling, it already fell, appearently.  

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gst wrote:
Davis Schmidt wrote:

This should never be allowed.  It would devastate Devils Lake as a fishery and a tourism hub.

Ya, they should never bury oil pipelines under lakes and rivers either.....water is life man. frown

There happens ot be another outdoors site that has some actual facts regarding the process and regulations. 

I'll take the high road here and simply ask why you don't just enlighten us with some facts instead of advertise?

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I've got no problem with hog farms anywhere, I just don't want to see any negative impact to the lake because of it. If they are required to use special redundant containment systems, great. Just as long as they are properly held accountable should something go wrong.

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Davis Schmidt wrote:

I've got no problem with hog farms anywhere, I just don't want to see any negative impact to the lake because of it. If they are required to use special redundant containment systems, great. Just as long as they are properly held accountable should something go wrong.

This part "don't want to see any negative impact to the lake because of it" is spot on and is exactly what the original post was looking to gain momentum around.

I think everyone agrees that large scale commerical farms need to be somewhere, might as well have them in ND.  But at what risk?  Do we want Devils Lake to have a summer kill like Green Bay?  The ask here needs to be around making sure a reasonable decission is made. 

ND doesn't have a good track record for making environmentally positive decisions when faced with commerical interests.  As anglers lets do what we can to ensure this isn't a poor decision that we could have made better.

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Davis Schmidt wrote:
gst wrote:
Davis Schmidt wrote:

This should never be allowed.  It would devastate Devils Lake as a fishery and a tourism hub.

Ya, they should never bury oil pipelines under lakes and rivers either.....water is life man. frown

There happens ot be another outdoors site that has some actual facts regarding the process and regulations. 

 

I'll take the high road here and simply ask why you don't just enlighten us with some facts instead of advertise?

Not "advertising", just an easy way to get multiple links to a wide variety of facts you request on this topic posted.

Also to show willingness of some to condemn things without knowing much at all about them.  

The "high road" maybe would have been to take the time ones self to become better informed before posting. Hopefully you and others take the time to actually read some of those facts in the link to that thread as they relate to the permiting, regulation and reality of modern CAFO development here in ND. 

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Why do they build in or next to water drainage?

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plains according to you anywhere would be in a water drainage. 

 

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Now your in my field of expertise. This fellow did his PhD rehabilitating a wetland in Minnesota: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mark_Hanson3

A hunt club out of Minneapolis purchased a good size lake that was well known for canvasback. For 60 years this wetland was hunted by club members. Then a hog farm set up operation following all the guidelines in Minnesota which is three times as stringent as ours. The first thing to disappear were the fish. The second thing to disappear was all of the ducks. The bottom had suspended flocculent a couple of feet deep. Early in the year it turned green like an emerald through the entire water column. 
Risk? It's not a risk it's a sure thing in an area with ground water integrated to the lake. All wetlands within the lower elevation ground water continuum will be affected with high nitrogen. People want sources I can give you sources and personal field experience, plus opinions I have been given by nationally known wetland ecologists and hydrologists. Pelican lake will be green in late June within a few years.

You can dissolve the pig crap it's still high nitrogen. You can put it in the ground and contaminate that for the next few hundred years.

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Apparently you were not getting enough peopl;e to side with you over there? wink

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Does this site have an ignore feature?  How do I use it?

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Davis Schmidt wrote:

I've got no problem with hog farms anywhere, I just don't want to see any negative impact to the lake because of it. If they are required to use special redundant containment systems, great. Just as long as they are properly held accountable should something go wrong.

  If they have enough money fines mean nothing.  I say if something goes wrong hang the board of directors in a public square. If it's as safe as they want us to believe they will have no problem with my suggestion.

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The sad part is he's serious. 

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He also believes what he posts...........surprise