measure 5 phone call

just got a call from steve adair and now im on a live conference with a measure five meeting?  whats the deal?

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I hate to double post double, but we just received a recorded phone call telling us about all bad things about measure 5.  It was a recording and no one picked up after it was done.  The phone said out of area, but listed the number 701-204-4172. Perhaps I should alert the AG in the morning.  It's not like I am a member of the energy company that called. 

they're using the same tactics GST went nuts about when pro measure 5 people were doing it.  talk about hypocritical.  GST has done more to promote yes votes than an other method the pro measure 5 people have tried lol

The new lie is that the money will not stay in North Dakota.  I suppose when they seen the poll 44 to 37 for they went nuts.  The out of state special interests against this bill will pour in the money now.  The dictionary should have pictures of Fritz and gst next to the definition of hypocrite.   What is ag and oil I not special interest.  Where is the national offices of the oil companies.  Also, where is the national Farm Bureau offices,and Farmers Union.

Farm Bureau Corporate offices look like they are in De Moines, Iowa.
https://www.fbfs.com/content/about-us/contact-us/corporate-headquarters/

Horror of all horrors the Farmers Union national headquarters is in Washington, D.C.
http://nfu.org/contact

Stop the out  of state special interests and the instate hypocrites. 

Please show were I "went nuts" over the use of robo calls.

So what are you doing on this thread gst?  Simply trying to destroy it by sidetracking it?  Maybe you think the site is to promote agriculture.  Doesn't Farm Bureau have a site to post your drivel?

plainsman I have asked you this before and you have avoided answering.

How is policy developed in the national DU organization as well as The Nature Conservancy?

I can tell you for a fact FB adn FU policy at the national level comes from grassroot members just like fritz and myself adn other people right here in good old ND.

Remember when the National Wildlife Federation sued to change the parameters of managed haying and grazing of CRP? (you know the lawsuit ron didn;t know jack shit about in his claims)

Bob Kellum from your site Nodak Outdoors and I had a conversation about it.

He assured me that the state chapter of the NWF did not approve and opposed this lawsuit.

It really didn;t seem to matter what the state thought.

So Bruce do you have a say in DU policy development?

Does anyone in North Dakota?


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op the out  of state special interests and the instate hypocrites. 

Please show were I "went nuts" over the use of robo calls.

So what are you doing on this thread gst?  Simply trying to destroy it by sidetracking it?  Maybe you think the site is to promote agriculture.  Doesn't Farm Bureau have a site to post your drivel?

plaisnamn I tell you what, I'll make a deal with you that I have offered before. You and a small handful of others simply stop telling lies regarding agriculture and I will stop posting on this site.

I beleive I made you that offer over on Nodak where you moderate and instead of accepting it, you kicked me off.

Now Dick is over there making his claims about this measure, but funny how even though this site has substantially more traffic he doesn;t come on here where people will hold him accountable for his claims.

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I can tell you for a fact FB adn FU policy at the national level comes from grassroot members just like fritz and myself adn other people right here in good old ND.
 

Yes, but that's how the wildlife organizations make their policy too.  I belonged to Farmers Union for years, and they often made decisions different than people in our neighborhood.   I'm not writing this to convince you because you already know this.  Your just hoping other people don't understand.   News flash gst, other people can think too.

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I can tell you for a fact FB adn FU policy at the national level comes from grassroot members just like fritz and myself adn other people right here in good old ND.
 

Yes, but that's how the wildlife organizations make their policy too.  I belonged to Farmers Union for years, and they often made decisions different than people in our neighborhood.   I'm not writing this to convince you because you already know this.  Your just hoping other people don't understand.   News flash gst, other people can think too.

Prove it Bruce, show me how DU makes their policy from the grassroots level of local members on up. What is the process?

There was a stink about who are members of DU. Where is their state convention, where and how is state policy created? how is that carried to the national level?

Come on bruce back you claims up with some facts for once.

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 31 this has to be getting right around record setting.

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eye, can you guys actually discuss the merits of the measure without making up bullshit?

What bullshit like your claim using $4+ billion to buy land when the measure prevents more than 50% being used for one purpose, or the mandated annual spending that you claimed etc... etc... give it a frigging rest gst you guys have been owned and the more people discuss the actual measure and its operation the more the lies, half truths and bull shit scare tactics go by the way side. For a change you are now facing an equally or close to equally funded in the PR sector faction. You are not the only ad running on TV or radio, hence the bullshit claims will not fly. Instead people are looking at the measure as it is not as how you and yours are trying to paint it since the other side is able to present itself on a level playing field media wise.

The work remains that 6.0001% of the undecided need to be inclined to vote for this, you guys have to convince 13.0001% to vote against it.!!! That is new territory for you when the side you oppose is able to buy and send their message out equally!!!

I am not saying this measure will pass, but the fact is your cherrios got peed in with this poll and you unlike other times do not have the advantage of dominance of the message being listened to!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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I honestly didn't give this measure any chance of passing.  But I hadn't seen a poll at all.  I guess we know why now.  wow.  And I'd bet the percentage of people that are on the fence and will ultimately vote yes is pretty high.  There are a bunch that are getting tired of the "ag is king" attitude in this state and since ag is so adamantly opposed to this they'll vote yes because of it.  I would have never bet the poll would be what it is. 

 

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eye, can you guys actually discuss the merits of the measure without making up bullshit?

What bullshit like your claim using $4+ billion to buy land when the measure prevents more than 50% being used for one purpose ron I have NEVER said "$4+ billion will be used to buy lands, I have said they want access to these billions to buy lands or will use billions ot buy lands. 50%  of $4 + billions if billions ron, it appears you are struggling in math as well as English. , or the mandated annual spending that you claimed etc... etc... ron in the otehr M 5 thread you just admitted that under the 75% allocation that the governor would not be able to stop a land purchase and these funds would have to be spent to purchase that land brought for in the grant under the 75% level. THAT in case you can not understand it is mandated spending. give it a frigging rest gst you guys have been owned and the more people discuss the actual measure and its operation the more the lies, half truths and bull shit scare tactics go by the way side. For a change you are now facing an equally or close to equally funded in the PR sector faction.Ron in most all measures ag has been sorely underfunded in opposing them You really don;t seem to know what you are talking about.  You are not the only ad running on TV or radio, hence the bullshit claims will not fly. Instead people are looking at the measure as it is not as how you and yours are trying to paint it since the other side is able to present itself on a level playing field media wise.

The work remains that 6.0001% of the undecided need to be inclined to vote for this, you guys have to convince 13.0001% to vote against it.!!! That is new territory for you when the side you oppose is able to buy and send their message out equally!!!

I am not saying this measure will pass, but the fact is your cherrios got peed in with this poll and you unlike other times do not have the advantage of dominance of the message being listened to!!

  Ron once again 2 years ago the HSUS animal cruelty measure was ahead by 20 points in the polls as a result of HSUS coming into our state to influence our laws by spending hundreds of thousands of dollars. Once that playing field was equalized teh polls turned and the measrue was defeated by 20 points.

This will likely be much closer because the opposition did not have 3 years of hundreds of thousands of out of state funding like this measure did.

Unfortunately the fudning to tell the otehr side of the story has came late inthe game so it will likeloy go right down ot the wire to allow people to hear the truth.

And what is the truth ron?

That you andf the out of state nonprofits fudning this measrue want access to these billions to buy lands.

But no one including you have the balls to tell the North Dakota voter that truth.

 
But hey you guys did get the HSUS endorsement.

Karen Nilsen-Thunshelle Vote YES on 5. Lets keep what is left of our precious badlands free and clear of all this disruption. It has already changed so much it is sad sad sad.

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Ron, it appears now you are backpedaling away from your claims that Cook will win.

Why?

Allow me to answer that for you.

Because you do NOT want the voters to believe that there will be $4,500,000,000.00
avalible to purchase lands over the next 25 years by these nonprofits unregulated

ron I have NEVER said "$4+ billion will be used to buy lands, I have said they want access to these billions to buy lands or will use billions ot buy lands. 50%  of $4 + billions if billions ron, it appears you are struggling in math as well as English. ,

I honestly did not think it would be this frigging easy!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dumbass!!!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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"There are a bunch that are getting tired of the "ag is king" attitude in this state and since ag is so adamantly opposed to this they'll vote yes because of it."

This is why it will pass. Who doesn't know a huge asshole farmer in their area?

 

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 31 this has to be getting right around record setting.

I'd check out some of the old baiting and HFH threads first.  Maybe even a NDFB one or two.

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Ron, it appears now you are backpedaling away from your claims that Cook will win.

Why?

Allow me to answer that for you.

Because you do NOT want the voters to believe that there will be $4,500,000,000.00
avalible to purchase lands over the next 25 years by these nonprofits unregulated

ron I have NEVER said "$4+ billion will be used to buy lands, I have said they want access to these billions to buy lands or will use billions ot buy lands. 50%  of $4 + billions if billions ron, it appears you are struggling in math as well as English. ,

I honestly did not think it would be this frigging easy!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dumbass!!!!!

Ah the "dumb ass" claim. ron for future reference, dumb ass is two words. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There will be 4.5 billion over 25 years in this fund by many estimates.

These 4.5 billion will be "availible" to purchase lands.

I missed where it is stated the entire 4.5 billion will be used to purchase lands.

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Back to the original topic I just got off the phone with the consumer protection division of the AG office.  My phone still had the number and time on it that I received the robocall against measure 5.   Since people thought it was a big deal when the pro people did that I hope it's just as big a deal when the anti crowd used the same techniques. 

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BRAD DOKKEN: Few options exist as CRP dwindles

 

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The land had been in the Conservation Reserve Program since 1999 — 15 years — thanks to a five-year extension the landowner was able to secure in 2009.

Sharp-tailed grouse, which had all but disappeared before the land was accepted into the federal set-aside program, returned to the landscape in the ensuing years and became relatively common, even wandering into the yard on occasion.

They were welcome guests, these prairie grouse, and every sighting was cause for silent celebration because the landowner remembered the time when there were no sharptails.

Sandhill cranes also nested on the land, and their gangly courtship displays became a springtime spectacle. Ditto for the chorus frogs, their joyous refrain sounding like teeth on a comb on spring evenings, even when patches of snow still covered the ground.

All of this happened because of the grass and other habitat the land provided, while still allowing the landowner to pay the ever-climbing property taxes and other bills.

Now, the future of that bounty is in jeopardy, a trend that is resonating across the Dakotas, Minnesota and other parts of the Farm Belt as CRP contracts expire and the land returns to production.

CRP has been cut to a shadow of what it was.

That’s no fault of the farmers and other landowners, who have few alternatives except to burn the grass and plow up the soil. Land has to pay its way, so to speak, and for many landowners with expiring CRP contracts, there is no other feasible choice.

No one knows that better than the landowner who enjoyed the return of the sharptails, the dancing sandhill cranes and the singing chorus frogs. He looked for alternatives, including a one-year CRP extension or other programs that might have generated enough revenue to at least partially offset the loss of the set-aside income.

Every road led to dead ends or programs that either didn’t provide enough benefits to justify the expense or didn’t fit the landowner’s needs. Every program seemed to favor wetlands, but with no wetlands, aside from a couple of low spots that fill with water during wet years, the property didn’t meet the criteria.

And so, the landowner did what so many others have been forced to do as their CRP contracts expire. He threw in the towel and had the fields sprayed to kill the grass that provided a haven for wildlife. If the weather cooperates, the fields will be burned later this fall, and the landowner will rent the property to a neighbor for farming.

The low spots, marginal for farming in the best of years, will be left as they are. Given the economic reality of the situation, that’s the best the landowner can do.

In many ways, I suspect, the dead ends the landowner encountered in trying to keep conservation on his property represent what’s happening across the Farm Belt as CRP acreage dwindles and less money is dedicated to the set-aside program.

Lost in the shuffle are the benefits CRP provided, not just for wildlife, but for the sportsmen and women who spend billions of dollars annually hunting pheasants, waterfowl and deer or simply watching birds and other wildlife.

It’s no coincidence that North Dakota’s pheasant harvest peaked at more than 900,000 roosters in 2007, a year when the state had more than 3.7 million acres of CRP and national enrollment peaked at 36.8 million acres.

Today, North Dakota has about half as much CRP as it did then, and the end to the downtrend is nowhere in sight.

There’s a whole generation of hunters that doesn’t know anything but the abundant wildlife populations driven almost exclusively by CRP. That’s already changing, and the changes stand to become even more pronounced in the coming years. 

Choosing to plow up CRP land is every farmer’s right, but for those who want to practice conservation, to “farm the best and leave the rest,” there needs to be better incentives than those left in the wake of the program’s decline.

Just ask the landowner who enjoyed the return of the sharptails, the dancing cranes and the singing frogs.

Or the thousands of other landowners just like him.

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Prove it Bruce, show me how DU makes their policy from the grassroots level of local members on up. What is the process?
 

You often like to waste peoples time.  When it comes to Farm Bureau policy prove that it's done anymore local than any other group.  So since you like proof give us some this time instead of the old local control bs line.

I heard the bs line from the Stockmens ass. on the radio today. 

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Prove it Bruce, show me how DU makes their policy from the grassroots level of local members on up. What is the process?
 

You often like to waste peoples time.  When it comes to Farm Bureau policy prove that it's done anymore local than any other group.  So since you like proof give us some this time instead of the old local control bs line.

I heard the bs line from the Stockmens ass. on the radio today. 

I have been involved in two Farm Bureau annuals with ploicy resolutions. There are two representatives from each county. You can propose a resolution and it is debated and then voted up or down. Each representative gets their rooms paid by their local.
The media is there and guests can observe.

Can't say the same for the ND wildlife federation. They send representatives from each club also. They are practically on life support with less than 30 in attendance. Closed doors.

The wildlife society asks State and federal agencies to send employees. They drive State and fed/gov agency vehicles and wear the same insignia. That means they are paid by the taxpayer to attend. Closed doors. If you are invited to attend or be a guest speaker, beware, the enviro's have a target on your industry and/or livelyhood.

 

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Prove it Bruce, show me how DU makes their policy from the grassroots level of local members on up. What is the process?
 

You often like to waste peoples time.  When it comes to Farm Bureau policy prove that it's done anymore local than any other group.  So since you like proof give us some this time instead of the old local control bs line.

I heard the bs line from the Stockmens ass. on the radio today. 

p-laisnamn you have repeatedly brought up the policy resolution hand book of the NDFB so you know for a fact these policies are developed at the grassroots level all the way ot the national level.. I have expalined the process in detail to you on more than one occassion.

What is happening here is you are simply trying ot divert attention from the fact there is NO local policy development in these nonprofit orgs like DU and TNC.

THAT is the fact.

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The wildlife society asks State and federal agencies to send employees.

Your so full of bs it's hard to know where to start.  Do you know what a society is?  It's not like the wildlife federation.  The Wildlife Society is a professional organization not a sportsmens club or social club.  At the Wildlife Society meeting only professionals attend to get themselves up to speed on the latest research and management techniques.  It's not open to the public any more than the American Medical Association would go out on the street and ask the public to come and attend things they had no chance of understanding.  Unless you and gst think your brain surgeons. 

Professional scientists are required to stay abreast of current scientific findings.  We pay our own way.  The motel is not paid for, the meals are not paid for, and if you see a government license plate they are an invited speaker.  One year they even invited one of the high fence animal raisers to speak.  They were very polite, but the guy didn't tell the truth about that.  So private people are often asked to come also.  You are right, it's closed doors as it should be because it's a society.   Some like yourself who see themselves as very important will find that hard to swallow.  I'm sure  your welcome as soon as you finish your advanced degree in one of the sciences. 

I'm amazed that I have explained this to you multiple times and you still don't get it.  It's not a public form.  What could you contribute Fritz? 

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Prove it Bruce, show me how DU makes their policy from the grassroots level of local members on up. What is the process?
 

You often like to waste peoples time.  When it comes to Farm Bureau policy prove that it's done anymore local than any other group.  So since you like proof give us some this time instead of the old local control bs line.

I heard the bs line from the Stockmens ass. on the radio today. 

p-laisnamn you have repeatedly brought up the policy resolution hand book of the NDFB so you know for a fact these policies are developed at the grassroots level all the way ot the national level.. I have expalined the process in detail to you on more than one occassion.

What is happening here is you are simply trying ot divert attention from the fact there is NO local policy development in these nonprofit orgs like DU and TNC.

THAT is the fact.

No, I'm trying to get it through your head that just about every organization has a grass roots movement that directs their policy.  You just can't get over the fact that a conservation organization is just as legitimate in North Dakota policy as your beloved Stockmens association.

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Prove it Bruce, show me how DU makes their policy from the grassroots level of local members on up. What is the process?
 

You often like to waste peoples time.  When it comes to Farm Bureau policy prove that it's done anymore local than any other group.  So since you like proof give us some this time instead of the old local control bs line.

I heard the bs line from the Stockmens ass. on the radio today. 

p-laisnamn you have repeatedly brought up the policy resolution hand book of the NDFB so you know for a fact these policies are developed at the grassroots level all the way ot the national level.. I have expalined the process in detail to you on more than one occassion.

What is happening here is you are simply trying ot divert attention from the fact there is NO local policy development in these nonprofit orgs like DU and TNC.

THAT is the fact.

No, I'm trying to get it through your head that just about every organization has a grass roots movement that directs their policy.  You just can't get over the fact that a conservation organization is just as legitimate in North Dakota policy as your beloved Stockmens association.

then show us how DU's works plaisnamn that was what I originally asked you.

Where is their annual convention, where is their state policy handbook?

What North Dakotans represent teh sate org at the national convention and policy meetings?

Where is the national convention and policy development meetings?

Come on Bruce answer a question for once.

http://www.ducks.org/conservation/public-policy

I missed the mention of grass roots driven policy bruce.

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I've come to the conclusion that GST is actually for the measure.  Even he has to know that he is responsible for more people voting yes than anybody.  I think he's trying to pull a big shitty on all of us.  I think he secretly longs for a state crp program so he can enroll and retire to AZ. 

 

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I checked the site you listed gst.  It appears they are explaining their policy, but I didn't see anything at all about how they form policy.  I don't belong to DU so have paid little attention.  However, I believe all organizations form their policies about the same.  Thinking the groups you belong to are grass roots, but others are not is simply ignorance.  You don't really have to prove to me that Stockmens association has grass roots input.  Everything I belong to has grass roots input also if I feel I want to do that.   Your simply falling back on the boogeyman story again gst.  Are you sure you can't link DU and HSUS?  Tha'ts your next move.

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I checked the site you listed gst.  It appears they are explaining their policy, but I didn't see anything at all about how they form policy.  I don't belong to DU so have paid little attention.  However, I believe all organizations form their policies about the same.  Thinking the groups you belong to are grass roots, but others are not is simply ignorance.  You don't really have to prove to me that Stockmens association has grass roots input.  Everything I belong to has grass roots input also if I feel I want to do that.   Your simply falling back on the boogeyman story again gst.  Are you sure you can't link DU and HSUS?  Tha'ts your next move.

exactly.  They do not use the grass roots methods the ag orgs you bash do.

Then show us how DU makes their "public policy" plainsman.

Come on bruce pony up or admit your own ignorance on the fact DU and TNC IS different than most every ag org in this state in how they create policy.

So for once back up your claims with some actual information bruce.

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The wildlife society asks State and federal agencies to send employees.

Your so full of bs it's hard to know where to start.  Do you know what a society is?  It's not like the wildlife federation.  The Wildlife Society is a professional organization not a sportsmens club or social club.  At the Wildlife Society meeting only professionals attend to get themselves up to speed on the latest research and management techniques.  It's not open to the public any more than the American Medical Association would go out on the street and ask the public to come and attend things they had no chance of understanding.  Unless you and gst think your brain surgeons. 

Professional scientists are required to stay abreast of current scientific findings.  We pay our own way.  The motel is not paid for, the meals are not paid for, and if you see a government license plate they are an invited speaker.  One year they even invited one of the high fence animal raisers to speak.  They were very polite, but the guy didn't tell the truth about that.  So private people are often asked to come also.  You are right, it's closed doors as it should be because it's a society.   Some like yourself who see themselves as very important will find that hard to swallow.  I'm sure  your welcome as soon as you finish your advanced degree in one of the sciences. 

I'm amazed that I have explained this to you multiple times and you still don't get it.  It's not a public form.  What could you contribute Fritz? 

Thanks for the post and showing your arrogance.

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 At the Wildlife Society meeting only professionals attend to get themselves up to speed on the latest research and management techniques

Here is a sample from Dr. Valerius Geist who attended:

Wildlife provides the highest quality food available to humans. Period! Agriculture cannot match nature. Happily, it is becoming widely known that organically raised, grass-fed livestock-minus all the antibiotics, hormones and artificial fattening-live better lives and produce far healthier meat.

Ultimately, we must learn how to live with planet earth. Wise wildlife management, allowed its full potenial, can serve as a model for the wise use of all natural landscapes. Rather than converting more wildlands to agriculture we must now go the opposite way-to husband our planet rather than continuing to destroy it piecemeal. Wildlife and wildlands conservation is pregnant with ideas regarding how to do this.


Plainsman, this isn't science. We can smell what you are standing in.

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jeez. Three days later and 5 more pages. Tough to keep up with all this.

Dear Gabe, I don't need to call one of the panel members and ask them why they didnt support or pass this proposal.

www.nd.gov/ndic/out/applications/r3/gr3-022.pdf
If I were to call any one of them it would be Terry Steinwand. But wait, he as well as others already supported this proposal in the first place. Heck they even were going to put some of their own agencies money into this program. In my honest opinion, I think the game and fish hands are tied. Even the good proposals that have made it through OHF, could have been pumped with way more money. Why isnt the game and fish asking for money and why is it not getting spent on programs like the link above or why doesnt the plots program get way more funding? I smell something fishy going on (pun intended). This is an interesting read, written by a former game and fish advisory board member. Makes a guy think about what may really be going on. Enough to make a person sick.

Free up leadership at Game and Fish

August 07, 2014 2:00 am  • 

Leadership at any state department should not receive political "direction" on how to carry out or interpret its mission statement. Historically, when political leaders push an agenda this way, the outcome is never good. It's a tightrope walk for both sides. Bad decisions and mistakes will follow. And finally, deserved or not, the public and media react to the department’s lack of focus and leadership.
 

Since 2010, the political interference at the Game and Fish Department has become palpable. As a natural resource agency, it has gotten the message not to get in the way of the rush-to-the-bank mentality that has come with the poorly-managed energy boom. Political leadership in the Capitol hallways should either support the Game and Fish mission statement or rewrite and insert appropriate political double talk.
 

I was a Game and Fish Advisory Board member for 10 years representing District 7 out of Bismarck. The board was set up by state law to be advocates, to represent grassroots concerns. Political leadership at the Capitol and in the Legislature took little notice of us and did not take the time to ever communicate with the board — no matter what red-flag issues we sent its way.
 

Most of us in North Dakota feel a real and romantic connection to our prairie heritage. We are all stakeholders in the management of the state’s natural resources. Change will have to come if the mission statement of the North Dakota Game and Fish Department is to mean anything.
 

There are good reasons why surrounding states (and most all other states) have put in place decision-making wildlife commissions whose most important task is to be real advocates for the people, the stakeholders.
 

The director of Game and Fish should not be burdened with political games. It's time to free him up to run the department.

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Have you contacted any of the panel members and asked them for an explaination or are you just making assumptions about something you really know nothing about?

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No, you did not. But what this shows, as Eyexer stated, the ringleaders behind the OHF are unwilling to fund a state run CRP type program. Talk about a power grab!! 
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 Odie did i get to vote on that link on the ballot?  No instead i get to vote for measure 5 which is a power grab measure.

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So odie, you have now admitted rather than actually trying to get the facts about a program you wished was funded by speaking with the people in charge of choosing what to fund you will just make assumptions based on your own bias.

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Your simply falling back on the boogeyman story again gst.  Are you sure you can't link DU and HSUS?  Tha'ts your next move.

Read it again Bruce, this isn't a story, it is documented:

Dr. Valerius Geist, a biologist from former communist East Germany said to the wildlife society activists,

Wildlife provides the highest quality food available to humans. Period! Agriculture cannot match nature. Happily, it is becoming widely known that organically raised, grass-fed livestock-minus all the antibiotics, hormones and artificial fattening-live better lives and produce far healthier meat.

Ultimately, we must learn how to live with planet earth. Wise wildlife management, allowed its full potenial, can serve as a model for the wise use of all natural landscapes. Rather than converting more wildlands to agriculture we must now go the opposite way-to husband our planet rather than continuing to destroy it piecemeal. Wildlife and wildlands conservation is pregnant with ideas regarding how to do this.



Pregnant with ideas? This measure 5 is an abortion.

Oh and another thing, you, Ron and Dick said there was absolutely no connection between the fair chase folly and HSUS. There sure was. Seven months after the HFI failed, Dick Monson and Mike McEnroe (retired federal biologist and lobbyist for the wildlife society) took the fall that they were the ones who decided to accept $150,000 dollars from HSUS to run the ad campaign against private property. The story was printed in the June 2011 issue of Dakota Country rag mag. The HSUS connection was always there from the start. 

Now you are talking gibberish about trying to connect DU and HSUS. There isn't one.
You are the only saying that. (stupid talk) But there is a connection to what Dr. Geist said to wildlife society members.  
 
Credibility.

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odocoileus Said:
jeez. Three days later and 5 more pages. Tough to keep up with all this.

Dear Gabe, I don't need to call one of the panel members and ask them why they didnt support or pass this proposal.

www.nd.gov/ndic/out/applications/r3/gr3-022.pdf
If I were to call any one of them it would be Terry Steinwand. But wait, he as well as others already supported this proposal in the first place. Heck they even were going to put some of their own agencies money into this program. In my honest opinion, I think the game and fish hands are tied. Even the good proposals that have made it through OHF, could have been pumped with way more money. Why isnt the game and fish asking for money and why is it not getting spent on programs like the link above or why doesnt the plots program get way more funding? I smell something fishy going on (pun intended). This is an interesting read, written by a former game and fish advisory board member. Makes a guy think about what may really be going on. Enough to make a person sick.

Free up leadership at Game and Fish

August 07, 2014 2:00 am  • 

Leadership at any state department should not receive political "direction" on how to carry out or interpret its mission statement. Historically, when political leaders push an agenda this way, the outcome is never good. It's a tightrope walk for both sides. Bad decisions and mistakes will follow. And finally, deserved or not, the public and media react to the department’s lack of focus and leadership.
 

Since 2010, the political interference at the Game and Fish Department has become palpable. As a natural resource agency, it has gotten the message not to get in the way of the rush-to-the-bank mentality that has come with the poorly-managed energy boom. Political leadership in the Capitol hallways should either support the Game and Fish mission statement or rewrite and insert appropriate political double talk.
 

I was a Game and Fish Advisory Board member for 10 years representing District 7 out of Bismarck. The board was set up by state law to be advocates, to represent grassroots concerns. Political leadership at the Capitol and in the Legislature took little notice of us and did not take the time to ever communicate with the board — no matter what red-flag issues we sent its way.
 

Most of us in North Dakota feel a real and romantic connection to our prairie heritage. We are all stakeholders in the management of the state’s natural resources. Change will have to come if the mission statement of the North Dakota Game and Fish Department is to mean anything.
 

There are good reasons why surrounding states (and most all other states) have put in place decision-making wildlife commissions whose most important task is to be real advocates for the people, the stakeholders.
 

The director of Game and Fish should not be burdened with political games. It's time to free him up to run the department.

gst Said:
Have you contacted any of the panel members and asked them for an explaination or are you just making assumptions about something you really know nothing about?

odocoileus Said:
No, you did not. But what this shows, as Eyexer stated, the ringleaders behind the OHF are unwilling to fund a state run CRP type program. Talk about a power grab!! 
Von Kaiser Said:
 Odie did i get to vote on that link on the ballot?  No instead i get to vote for measure 5 which is a power grab measure.

Odie, the District 7 guy, Frank Kartch worked for DU.

Frank said,
Leadership at any state department should not receive political "direction" on how to carry out or interpret its mission statement.

Really? The Game and Fish was created by the people to manage our wildlife. This political "direction" comes from representatives elected by the people.

I'm not suprised the legislature took little notice of his reports. Wilma whiner.

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Your point? He was elected by the governor to serve on the advisory board for I believe ten years. Surely he has the credentials to serve in that capacity and knows more about what is going in regards to the game and fish department than you. The game and fish cant manage wildlife when they are being strung along by politicians who have only one thing on there mind. That would be money, in case you or gst were wondering.

Odie, the District 7 guy, Frank Kartch worked for DU.
Frank said,
Leadership at any state department should not receive political "direction" on how to carry out or interpret its mission statement.

Really? The Game and Fish was created by the people to manage our wildlife. This political "direction" comes from representatives elected by the people.

I'm not suprised the legislature took little notice of his reports. Wilma whiner.

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed

Go afield with a good attitude, with respect for the wildlife you hunt and for the forest and fields in which you walk.  Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person. -Fred Bear-
 

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odocoileus Said:
Your point? He was elected by the governor to serve on the advisory board for I believe ten years. Surely he has the credentials to serve in that capacity and knows more about what is going in regards to the game and fish department than you. The game and fish cant manage wildlife when they are being strung along by politicians who have only one thing on there mind. That would be money, in case you or gst were wondering.

Odie, the District 7 guy, Frank Kartch worked for DU.
Frank said,
Leadership at any state department should not receive political "direction" on how to carry out or interpret its mission statement.

Really? The Game and Fish was created by the people to manage our wildlife. This political "direction" comes from representatives elected by the people.

I'm not suprised the legislature took little notice of his reports. Wilma whiner.

"elected by the governor"?

Odie the NDSA has people "elected" by the Governor on the G&F advisory panel.

I  wonder if you think that qualifies them and their "credentials" as well.

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