measure 5 phone call

just got a call from steve adair and now im on a live conference with a measure five meeting?  whats the deal?

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Best part about the article today in the Forum is the fact that $1,000,000.00 dollars of out of state money has been put into the opponents coffers from American Petroleum Institute. Their contact address is
API
1220 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20005-4070
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Good old out of state interests wouldn't you say trying to influence ND policy. The hypocrisy of this is the ads being run with that out of state money decry out of state money!!! Got to love it!!
 
SO NOW YOU ABSOLUTELY KNOW WITHOUT ANY DOUBT GST THAT YOUR GROUP IS EXACTLY AS I HAVE SAID HYPOCRITES!!!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Don't forget that the major proponents of Measure 5 are non-profit groups that are not required to pay (property) taxes.  What could happen to your property taxes if this measure passes and land in your county is bought so you have a closer place to hunt but that land is taken off of the tax rolls? 

non profits pay property taxes

eye, note the response to this same claim by hwm.

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eye why do you ALWAYS have to be such an idiot.

The people behind M 5 did their polling just like ladd suggested. It showed people wanted to see more parks developed here in ND. So that is what M5 supporters focused their claims on. Get on their sites and it went from talkking about flood control to people in Fargo or hunitng access to people in Bismarck or farm program options when talking ot farmers to all these dollars will be used to create new parks.

The legislature started the OHF with the understanding that it would walk before it ran and responsibly develop programs that were effective and good PRIOR to throwing billions of dollars at the wall hoping something worked.

They are finding this process to be accountable and responsible and as such willing to increase the committment to it.

And yet that is not enough for DU and others. So what is this really about?

It is not about the monies or conservation programs it seems, but about the only other difference that remains.

Who "controls" the funding and using it to buy land.

Despite the false claims by some M5 IS a mandated spending amendment to our states constitution. It was brought forth by liberal out of state environmental organizations.

The end result of which will be far different than a responsible  increased funding of the OHF.

Yopu bitch and whine about the state not throwing monies at everything you want them to.

Many of us in agriculture have watched as people thought the good times would never end and went out and spent monies that were free and easy like there was no tommorrow.

Many of those people had to face the tough consequences of their choices and are no longer in business.

Does our state need to invest this windfall back into our state? Of course, but it must be done responsibly. The scope of this boom IS different than ones before, but we simply do not know what may impact it thru regulation, global development  ect.....

Eye for once actually go to  this link and check out the clients that have been hired by this company. This is the company that was hired to run this measures campaign.

http://hamburgercompany.com/clients

Look at EVERY SINGLE ONE of their clients, they are part of the who's who in environmentalism in politics.

How do you think these people would vote on a bill to end fracking?

This state needs to drive it's own future, not open the doors to out of state groups like those behind this measure.

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eyexer Said:

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Governor's press release yesterday 9/29/2014 concerning measure 5.

Governor Jack Dalrymple proposes an alternative plan to a conservation measure on the November ballot.

There are eight measures on this year's November Ballot and Initiated Constitutional Measure Number 5 has gotten the attention of some of the state's top officials including the Governor.

The fifth measure on North Dakota's November ballot is designed to set up conservation funding using the state's oil tax money.

And, it's being supported by local wildlife groups including Ducks Unlimited Great Plains Region.

"Measure 5 is a really great opportunity for us to invest into our great quality of life in North Dakota. We can do something to protect our clean water, to protect our communities and private land owners from flooding by improving natural flood control," Ducks Unlimited Great Plains Region Director of Public Policy Carmen Miller.

If the measure is approved by the voters it would constitutionally mandate five percent of oil extraction tax revenue to be allocated for conservation projects.

While some voters have taken issue with the constitutional mandate, Miller disagrees.

"You know the constitution is a reflection of our values and clean water certainly rises to that level," says Miller.

But, Governor Dalrymple says he doesn't believe a constitutional measure is needed to address the issue.

On Monday he announced his own 80.4 million dollar plan for the 2015 to 2017 biennium.

"While calling for 30.4 million in state park improvements, I will also propose increasing the commitment to the North Dakota Outdoor Heritage fund to 50 million dollars for the upcoming biennium," says Dalrymple.

The proposal includes investments in Lake Sakakawea State Park as well as a Missouri River Day Park in South Bismarck.

"This is the plan and this is the approach that I feel is the right way to go in enhancing conservation and outdoor recreation in North Dakota," says Governor Dalrymple.

Miller says she's glad to hear the Governor address conservation in the state.

"It looks like the Governor's validating what we've been talking about for three years. So we're thrilled to see that conversation's happening and we're thrilled to see these issues are getting that attention," says Miller.

If voters say yes to Measure 5 the Governor says the state's executive branch will make it a "workable plan."

But he says he believes his plan is better.

So for now, it's up to the voters to decide.

GEEZ LOUISE..............the Governor does a press release yesterday 9/29/2014 and the media turns it into the Carmen Miller story. Dalrymple needed to come out strong and this is what happens when you pull your punches.

And then there is this statement:
 

If voters say yes to Measure 5 the Governor says the state's executive branch will make it a "workable plan."

 

Does anyone believe by extending an olive branch early, just in case the conservation boyz win, that they will be cooperative later?

What is the difference between the conservation boyz and a terrorist?

You can negociate with a terrorist.

Classic.  Don't do anything until your in fear of loosing control.  Now Dalrymple wants to help.  Where the hell was he three or four years ago.  This is exactly what they did with property taxes.  I guess we just have to keep bringing inititated measures to the voters to steer the legislature where we need them to go. 

BS................the OHF was created in the last legislature with the idea of implementing the program and as it matured more funding could be added which is exactly what's happening. A "group" has now decided to go their own route and want to spend like drunken sailors. The OHF is the correct way to handle this and I hope the majority can see that.

this is proof they knew damn well the 30 million was a piss poor offering.  now that they have a measure brought forward they know they better step up to the plate.  If this measure hadn't made the ballot we would be seeing 30 million.  which a big chunk would no doubt have gone to administering it. 

What this is, is proof that the OHF is working exactly as planned. Start out with a controlled situation and add the funds as necessary and tweak it as necessary. It has been understood from day one that additional funds can be added if necessary.

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gst Said:

eyexer Said:

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Don't forget that the major proponents of Measure 5 are non-profit groups that are not required to pay (property) taxes.  What could happen to your property taxes if this measure passes and land in your county is bought so you have a closer place to hunt but that land is taken off of the tax rolls? 

non profits pay property taxes

eye, note the response to this same claim by hwm.

it bared repeating

 

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tshort Said:

eyexer Said:

tshort Said:

eyexer Said:

Fritz the Cat Said:

Governor's press release yesterday 9/29/2014 concerning measure 5.

Governor Jack Dalrymple proposes an alternative plan to a conservation measure on the November ballot.

There are eight measures on this year's November Ballot and Initiated Constitutional Measure Number 5 has gotten the attention of some of the state's top officials including the Governor.

The fifth measure on North Dakota's November ballot is designed to set up conservation funding using the state's oil tax money.

And, it's being supported by local wildlife groups including Ducks Unlimited Great Plains Region.

"Measure 5 is a really great opportunity for us to invest into our great quality of life in North Dakota. We can do something to protect our clean water, to protect our communities and private land owners from flooding by improving natural flood control," Ducks Unlimited Great Plains Region Director of Public Policy Carmen Miller.

If the measure is approved by the voters it would constitutionally mandate five percent of oil extraction tax revenue to be allocated for conservation projects.

While some voters have taken issue with the constitutional mandate, Miller disagrees.

"You know the constitution is a reflection of our values and clean water certainly rises to that level," says Miller.

But, Governor Dalrymple says he doesn't believe a constitutional measure is needed to address the issue.

On Monday he announced his own 80.4 million dollar plan for the 2015 to 2017 biennium.

"While calling for 30.4 million in state park improvements, I will also propose increasing the commitment to the North Dakota Outdoor Heritage fund to 50 million dollars for the upcoming biennium," says Dalrymple.

The proposal includes investments in Lake Sakakawea State Park as well as a Missouri River Day Park in South Bismarck.

"This is the plan and this is the approach that I feel is the right way to go in enhancing conservation and outdoor recreation in North Dakota," says Governor Dalrymple.

Miller says she's glad to hear the Governor address conservation in the state.

"It looks like the Governor's validating what we've been talking about for three years. So we're thrilled to see that conversation's happening and we're thrilled to see these issues are getting that attention," says Miller.

If voters say yes to Measure 5 the Governor says the state's executive branch will make it a "workable plan."

But he says he believes his plan is better.

So for now, it's up to the voters to decide.

GEEZ LOUISE..............the Governor does a press release yesterday 9/29/2014 and the media turns it into the Carmen Miller story. Dalrymple needed to come out strong and this is what happens when you pull your punches.

And then there is this statement:
 

If voters say yes to Measure 5 the Governor says the state's executive branch will make it a "workable plan."

 

Does anyone believe by extending an olive branch early, just in case the conservation boyz win, that they will be cooperative later?

What is the difference between the conservation boyz and a terrorist?

You can negociate with a terrorist.

Classic.  Don't do anything until your in fear of loosing control.  Now Dalrymple wants to help.  Where the hell was he three or four years ago.  This is exactly what they did with property taxes.  I guess we just have to keep bringing inititated measures to the voters to steer the legislature where we need them to go. 

BS................the OHF was created in the last legislature with the idea of implementing the program and as it matured more funding could be added which is exactly what's happening. A "group" has now decided to go their own route and want to spend like drunken sailors. The OHF is the correct way to handle this and I hope the majority can see that.

this is proof they knew damn well the 30 million was a piss poor offering.  now that they have a measure brought forward they know they better step up to the plate.  If this measure hadn't made the ballot we would be seeing 30 million.  which a big chunk would no doubt have gone to administering it. 

What this is, is proof that the OHF is working exactly as planned. Start out with a controlled situation and add the funds as necessary and tweak it as necessary. It has been understood from day one that additional funds can be added if necessary.

All Dalrymple is doing is taking a 30 million dollar program and adding 20 million to it to make it 50 million.  The other 30 million is a one time chunk to upgrade some parks.  it's not a long term committment.  This will be just like property tax reform, throw us a bone for two years then it's back to business as usual.  50 million is a piss poor amount for conservation in a state with billions in surplus dollars that is growing by leaps and bounds. 

 

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eyexer Said:

tshort Said:

eyexer Said:

tshort Said:

eyexer Said:

Fritz the Cat Said:

Governor's press release yesterday 9/29/2014 concerning measure 5.

Governor Jack Dalrymple proposes an alternative plan to a conservation measure on the November ballot.

There are eight measures on this year's November Ballot and Initiated Constitutional Measure Number 5 has gotten the attention of some of the state's top officials including the Governor.

The fifth measure on North Dakota's November ballot is designed to set up conservation funding using the state's oil tax money.

And, it's being supported by local wildlife groups including Ducks Unlimited Great Plains Region.

"Measure 5 is a really great opportunity for us to invest into our great quality of life in North Dakota. We can do something to protect our clean water, to protect our communities and private land owners from flooding by improving natural flood control," Ducks Unlimited Great Plains Region Director of Public Policy Carmen Miller.

If the measure is approved by the voters it would constitutionally mandate five percent of oil extraction tax revenue to be allocated for conservation projects.

While some voters have taken issue with the constitutional mandate, Miller disagrees.

"You know the constitution is a reflection of our values and clean water certainly rises to that level," says Miller.

But, Governor Dalrymple says he doesn't believe a constitutional measure is needed to address the issue.

On Monday he announced his own 80.4 million dollar plan for the 2015 to 2017 biennium.

"While calling for 30.4 million in state park improvements, I will also propose increasing the commitment to the North Dakota Outdoor Heritage fund to 50 million dollars for the upcoming biennium," says Dalrymple.

The proposal includes investments in Lake Sakakawea State Park as well as a Missouri River Day Park in South Bismarck.

"This is the plan and this is the approach that I feel is the right way to go in enhancing conservation and outdoor recreation in North Dakota," says Governor Dalrymple.

Miller says she's glad to hear the Governor address conservation in the state.

"It looks like the Governor's validating what we've been talking about for three years. So we're thrilled to see that conversation's happening and we're thrilled to see these issues are getting that attention," says Miller.

If voters say yes to Measure 5 the Governor says the state's executive branch will make it a "workable plan."

But he says he believes his plan is better.

So for now, it's up to the voters to decide.

GEEZ LOUISE..............the Governor does a press release yesterday 9/29/2014 and the media turns it into the Carmen Miller story. Dalrymple needed to come out strong and this is what happens when you pull your punches.

And then there is this statement:
 

If voters say yes to Measure 5 the Governor says the state's executive branch will make it a "workable plan."

 

Does anyone believe by extending an olive branch early, just in case the conservation boyz win, that they will be cooperative later?

What is the difference between the conservation boyz and a terrorist?

You can negociate with a terrorist.

Classic.  Don't do anything until your in fear of loosing control.  Now Dalrymple wants to help.  Where the hell was he three or four years ago.  This is exactly what they did with property taxes.  I guess we just have to keep bringing inititated measures to the voters to steer the legislature where we need them to go. 

BS................the OHF was created in the last legislature with the idea of implementing the program and as it matured more funding could be added which is exactly what's happening. A "group" has now decided to go their own route and want to spend like drunken sailors. The OHF is the correct way to handle this and I hope the majority can see that.

this is proof they knew damn well the 30 million was a piss poor offering.  now that they have a measure brought forward they know they better step up to the plate.  If this measure hadn't made the ballot we would be seeing 30 million.  which a big chunk would no doubt have gone to administering it. 

What this is, is proof that the OHF is working exactly as planned. Start out with a controlled situation and add the funds as necessary and tweak it as necessary. It has been understood from day one that additional funds can be added if necessary.

All Dalrymple is doing is taking a 30 million dollar program and adding 20 million to it to make it 50 million.  The other 30 million is a one time chunk to upgrade some parks.  it's not a long term committment.  This will be just like property tax reform, throw us a bone for two years then it's back to business as usual.  50 million is a piss poor amount for conservation in a state with billions in surplus dollars that is growing by leaps and bounds. 

Gets tiring hearing all the glass is half empty crap all the time. We still have a great state and this OHF has the potential to be a great program!!

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What this is, is proof that the OHF is working exactly as planned. Start out with a controlled situation and add the funds as necessary and tweak it as necessary. It has been understood from day one that additional funds can be added if necessary.

tshort that all sounds great, but is there actually anyone dumb enough to think it would happen?

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What this is, is proof that the OHF is working exactly as planned. Start out with a controlled situation and add the funds as necessary and tweak it as necessary. It has been understood from day one that additional funds can be added if necessary.

tshort that all sounds great, but is there actually anyone dumb enough to think it would happen?

I am absolutely dumb enough to believe the funding will be increased in this session.

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Do I believe it will go up to $3,000,000 per week............NO!   But I seriously question the intelligence of those who want to throw out that kind of mandatory spending.

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Best part about the article today in the Forum is the fact that $1,000,000.00 dollars of out of state money has been put into the opponents coffers from American Petroleum Institute. Their contact address is
API
1220 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20005-4070
USA

Good old out of state interests wouldn't you say trying to influence ND policy. The hypocrisy of this is the ads being run with that out of state money decry out of state money!!! Got to love it!!
 
SO NOW YOU ABSOLUTELY KNOW WITHOUT ANY DOUBT GST THAT YOUR GROUP IS EXACTLY AS I HAVE SAID HYPOCRITES!!!!!

Ron, I never really expected the opposition to this measure not to respond in kind to what YOUR GROUP started. It happened in the last M5 and how else do you expect it to be a "fair" fight?

I come from the old school that a lot of North Dakotans other than you still understand ron, if you walk in a bar and throw a punch to start a fight, don;t whine when someone else throws a punch back.

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All Dalrymple is doing is taking a 30 million dollar program and adding 20 million to it to make it 50 million.  The other 30 million is a one time chunk to upgrade some parks.  it's not a long term committment.  This will be just like property tax reform, throw us a bone for two years then it's back to business as usual.  50 million is a piss poor amount for conservation in a state with billions in surplus dollars that is growing by leaps and bounds. 

 
And here in is the problem with the people and groups behind tis measure. No matter what is done, it is never enough.

How many times have we heard people argue that all they want is to register guns or back ground checks.

We all know how disingenuopus those claims are, and the ones being made by those behind this measure are no different. 

Trust us, change your constitution mandating spending. Trust us, give us billions in a program we wrote that allows us to buy land, but we won;t buy land, trust us that we will not use the entire 3% or $4.5 million on salaries, trust us that we will not work against energy or agriculture or the small businesses across this state that depend on them even though we have form official collaborations with the EPA, trust us.

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Do I believe it will go up to $3,000,000 per week............NO!   But I seriously question the intelligence of those who want to throw out that kind of mandatory spending.

And all the spending proposals to the Industrial Commision will come from the 13 member panel not elected by anyone. This panel will be stacked with biologists, ecologists and wildlife managers that belong to these non-profits. 

All the taxpayers money will slip through the fingers of these surrogate non-governmental orgs. 

North Dakotans for Commonsense Conservation now has a facebook page.

 

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What this is, is proof that the OHF is working exactly as planned. Start out with a controlled situation and add the funds as necessary and tweak it as necessary. It has been understood from day one that additional funds can be added if necessary.

tshort that all sounds great, but is there actually anyone dumb enough to think it would happen?

Who did you vote for for Governor last time plains?

This program has only existed for less than two years and is functioning exactly as it promised it would during the discussion on it in the legislature.

So yeah, bruce there are people that still believe in the representative form of govt here in our state that was much like the Republic form of govt the Founders gave us.

That you don;t and seem to want to go to a simple majority rules Democracy speaks volumes to your false claims of conservatism.

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 Gst ur actually creating votes for your opposition with every post.  

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 Gst ur actually creating votes for your opposition with every post.  

he'll never get that.  When this measure came out I had no intention of voting for it.  Now I will just out of spite because of some peoples arrogance

 

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Im still voting no but certainly not due to the hundreds of paragraphs and insults being thrown around lately. 

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 Gst ur actually creating votes for your opposition with every post.  

he'll never get that.  When this measure came out I had no intention of voting for it.  Now I will just out of spite because of some peoples arrogance

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 Gst ur actually creating votes for your opposition with every post.  

he'll never get that.  When this measure came out I had no intention of voting for it.  Now I will just out of spite because of some peoples arrogance

I wouldn't be surprised that some might do that........some might vote against it just to spite Plainsman.  Then there will be those that will use their brain and vote for or against it simply on it's merits.

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Best part about the article today in the Forum is the fact that $1,000,000.00 dollars of out of state money has been put into the opponents coffers from American Petroleum Institute. Their contact address is
API
1220 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20005-4070
USA

Good old out of state interests wouldn't you say trying to influence ND policy. The hypocrisy of this is the ads being run with that out of state money decry out of state money!!! Got to love it!!
 
SO NOW YOU ABSOLUTELY KNOW WITHOUT ANY DOUBT GST THAT YOUR GROUP IS EXACTLY AS I HAVE SAID HYPOCRITES!!!!!

It seems you think addresses are important here ron.

A bit of information and one question for you.

here is the information:

Hamburger Company 5614 Connecticut Ave, N.W., #219 Washington, DC 20015. Street Address: Hamburger Company 4000 Albemarle St NW Suite 403

Here is a link to their liberal environmental activist clients:

http://hamburgercompany.com/clients

Ron this is the agency determining the ideologies behind running the supporters of M5's campaign and in charge of spending all those out of state dollars.

Now here is the question ron, who is in charge of running the oppositions campaign and where are they from and would you describe them as conservative or liberal? What is their address?

Many of these measure come down to a difference in ideologies. M5 is just that. I guarantee you the opposition to M5 wants clean air, clean water and parks and wildlife.

Despite plainsman's tired old lies and rhetoric, I love clean air, clean water,  parks and wildlife. What people like plainsman do not know is that I advocated long and hard in ag orgs for a program like the OHF before it existed and spoke often about working together thru the Natural Areas Aquisition Committee with orgs on parcels that we could find common ground on.

But this measure that places mandated funding into our constitution is simply a bad idea.

THEY threw the first punch in a fight THEY started when THEY walked away from a cooperative agreement involving ALL the stakeholders created thru the legislature last session.

Now people like ron are whining when they get punched back. I think the old school North Dakota voters will see thru the whining.


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 Gst ur actually creating votes for your opposition with every post.  

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 Gst ur actually creating votes for your opposition with every post.  

he'll never get that.  When this measure came out I had no intention of voting for it.  Now I will just out of spite because of some peoples arrogance

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I wouldn't be surprised that some might do that........some might vote against it just to spite Plainsman.  Then there will be those that will use their brain and vote for or against it simply on it's merits.

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Best part about the article today in the Forum is the fact that $1,000,000.00 dollars of out of state money has been put into the opponents coffers from American Petroleum Institute. Their contact address is
API
1220 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20005-4070
USA

Good old out of state interests wouldn't you say trying to influence ND policy. The hypocrisy of this is the ads being run with that out of state money decry out of state money!!! Got to love it!!
 
SO NOW YOU ABSOLUTELY KNOW WITHOUT ANY DOUBT GST THAT YOUR GROUP IS EXACTLY AS I HAVE SAID HYPOCRITES!!!!!

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Moral of the story is....Don't bring a knife to a bear fight.

From another thread.

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Who did you vote for for Governor last time plains?

Dalrymple.   Why?  

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What this is, is proof that the OHF is working exactly as planned. Start out with a controlled situation and add the funds as necessary and tweak it as necessary. It has been understood from day one that additional funds can be added if necessary.

tshort that all sounds great, but is there actually anyone dumb enough to think it would happen?

Why? Apparently you choose to vote for someone that you don;t think will do what they say they will?

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gst you are the one making an issue of out of state funding and special interests groups trying to affect things in ND. NOT ME!! Your ads make it an issue all the while doing the same thing. Got it! So do not try and make this something it is not! Rail against special interests all the while serving them and pretending to be holier than thou by implying you are not!

It is why I have pointed this out from day one! Now there is no hiding from the hypocrisy as it is now media wide and public record to boot!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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Oh and I see now that Ladd has pointed out that the spending is not mandated simply allocated for spending if qualified applications come forward you are shifting gears again. For a change reporting of facts by the media exposing the untruths is having a pretty positive affect. Otherwise Jack would not be out trying to head this off!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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I noticed you avoided answering a couple simple questions ron.

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Best part about the article today in the Forum is the fact that $1,000,000.00 dollars of out of state money has been put into the opponents coffers from American Petroleum Institute. Their contact address is
API
1220 L Street, NW
Washington, DC 20005-4070
USA

Good old out of state interests wouldn't you say trying to influence ND policy. The hypocrisy of this is the ads being run with that out of state money decry out of state money!!! Got to love it!!
 
SO NOW YOU ABSOLUTELY KNOW WITHOUT ANY DOUBT GST THAT YOUR GROUP IS EXACTLY AS I HAVE SAID HYPOCRITES!!!!!

It seems you think addresses are important here ron.

A bit of information and one question for you.

here is the information:

Hamburger Company 5614 Connecticut Ave, N.W., #219 Washington, DC 20015. Street Address: Hamburger Company 4000 Albemarle St NW Suite 403

Here is a link to their liberal environmental activist clients:

http://hamburgercompany.com/clients

Ron this is the agency determining the ideologies behind running the supporters of M5's campaign and in charge of spending all those out of state dollars.

Now here is the question ron, who is in charge of running the oppositions campaign and where are they from and would you describe them as conservative or liberal? What is their address?

Many of these measure come down to a difference in ideologies. M5 is just that. I guarantee you the opposition to M5 wants clean air, clean water and parks and wildlife.

Despite plainsman's tired old lies and rhetoric, I love clean air, clean water,  parks and wildlife. What people like plainsman do not know is that I advocated long and hard in ag orgs for a program like the OHF before it existed and spoke often about working together thru the Natural Areas Aquisition Committee with orgs on parcels that we could find common ground on.

But this measure that places mandated funding into our constitution is simply a bad idea.

THEY threw the first punch in a fight THEY started when THEY walked away from a cooperative agreement involving ALL the stakeholders created thru the legislature last session.

Now people like ron are whining when they get punched back. I think the old school North Dakota voters will see thru the whining.

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 There isnt one thing in this bill that i can see will truly help hunters.  It is another political power grab imo.  Maybe i am wrong but i doubt it.

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Oh and I see now that Ladd has pointed out that the spending is not mandated simply allocated for spending if qualified applications come forward you are shifting gears again. For a change reporting of facts by the media exposing the untruths is having a pretty positive affect. Otherwise Jack would not be out trying to head this off!!

ladd has done nothing more than claim someone is wrong without providing any proof other than his say so.

The measures language seems to say something different than ladds claims ron.

Here is one more question you likely won;t answer but others might think about. If the IC under Dalrymple can stop any land purchases or things they do not approve of and only spend what monies they wish on things they wish like ladd claims, why would he have to "head this off"??

your claims don;t even meet basic common sense standards ron.

ron please show in the measure language where these dollars are not mandated to be "allocated" every year as spelled out under the language held within the measure itself.

Words mean something ron. Read the measure.

Now if you seem to think like Steve Adair from DU  that "allocating" these dollars is not "spending" 75% of these dollars as the measure states MUST be done each year,I bet you believed Obama when he said " if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor".

But hey didn;t he get awarded the "Lie of the Year" with that whopper?

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3. There is created a clean water, wildlife and parks commission that shall be comprised of the governor, attorney general and agriculture commissioner. The commission shall govern the fund in accord with this section. Any money deposited in the clean water, wildlife, and parks fund is hereby appropriated to the commission on a continuing basis for expenditure upon those programs selected by the commission as provided in this section. The commission shall keep accurate records of all financial transactions performed under this section.

4. The commission may employ staff and enter into public and private contracts as may be necessary to operate the fund. The salaries of employees and other expenditures for the operation of the fund must be paid out of the fund. No more than three percent of the funds available in a given year may be paid out of the fund to operate the fund.

5. The commission must allocate no less than seventy-five percent nor more than ninety percent of the revenue deposited in the fund on an annual basis. Ten percent of earnings of the fund shall be reserved and transferred on an annual basis to the trust established in this section

ron after the commission "transfers" the 10% to the trust as they are limited to, where will this other 75% that the measure requires them to allocate go to?

If they are required to "allocate" these funds or be in violation of the constitution this will be engrossed in, what do they really have control over?

Only 3% or $4.5 million can be spent on salaries (don;t feel too sorry for Randy Kriel on leaving the NDG&F, want to bet he will be receiving part of this if this measure passes?) 

Remember, these dollars just can;t be put into some mystery account, they have to be "allocated" every year as this constitutional amendment would direct .

"must allocate" seems like  "mandated spending " to me.

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For expenditure does not mean that it has to be spent, just that it has to be made available!!  You twist and squirm and insinuate things to your view instead of how they actually are. Just as you tried to imply outside money was not behind the measure opponents.

There is no clause the requires FORCED EXPENDITURE, just sets the amount that has to be available from the collected receipts. Just as you have implied that the money would be used only to buy land etc.....

Ladd and I do not agree on things at times, but when giving his opinion of this and knowing his background. I will take his view and version as accurate much more than your jaded and twisted facts spewing!!

And gst I am ignoring your question on the basis that it brings nothing to the debate, I have shown as I have claimed your group are hypocrites and that has been my position and stance all along!!!

In my lifetime I have seen fence row to fence row farming and the return of CRP and game to the landscape.Now we face again the prosepect of fence row to fence row again! Sportsman are our own worst enemy in that we fail to look forward and focus to much on the now!

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