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I am an avid Netflix Documentary watcher, and I saw one lastnight called Religulious by Bill Maher. I know religion is a touchy subject, but hoyl smokes, does this ever bring some light to a very taboo topic. I recommend watching it.

Has anyone seen any other good ones? Street Thief is another really good one!

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Mormans are... One of their belifes says that Jesus himself vistied the Americas? Where is this at in the Christian Bible.

 

thats right, it has to be in the christian bible to be true.  the other 10,000 religious handbooks got it all wrong.

I can see your argument for Dec 25th coinsidentaly being the same birthdate as all the other metiterranean gods before jesus, but what about the other 'similarities' between the christian leader and Horus? They virtually did the same thing, except Horus was "born???"  well before jesus.
 

there are dozens of figures that were born of a virgin on dec 25th, performed miracles, crucified, resurected, 3 kings (or 3 figures of some sort) 12 deciples (or similar figures) and all of these are based on the movements of the sun, moon, stars, & seasons only we have personified the cycles of these things into a story so big that has gotten so far out of control we cant do away withi it.

I have read and or watched several pieces that have proved much of what is written the Bible to be true. The New Testament is a book more people should read and model their lives after, if more did so this world would be alot better place. To each their own.


From the bible...
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If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her,
14And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid:
15Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate:
16And the damsel's father shall say unto the elders, I gave my daughter unto this man to wife, and he hateth her;
17And, lo, he hath given occasions of speech against her, saying, I found not thy daughter a maid; and yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city.
18And the elders of that city shall take that man and chastise him;
19And they shall amerce him in an hundred shekels of silver, and give them unto the father of the damsel, because he hath brought up an evil name upon a virgin of Israel: and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
20But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel:
21Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.

I think you're right, the world would be a much better place if more of us practiced things from a fictional 2000 year old "handbook".  Thats what I love about religion, you can hand pick the parts in these books you want to live by and pretend the rest doesn't apply to you or your own beliefs.  unfortunately in most cases of science I get busted if I try & make stuff up and gravity still won't bend to my needs.
 
Most non-believers are non-believers because they consider it an easier way even though they can't see it for that. It sure is easy to live your life according to your own standards. You never have to feel guilty about anything because, hell, this is how I am going to live my life.  I guess the thing I wonder is where exactly those standards came from. Must have been out of thin air.
Where do you come up with that?

no, being a non-believer is pretty tough actually.  no one chooses to be atheist, as one chooses a religion.  knowing that when I die, there is no magical spirit ghost that rises up to a god to spend eternity floating on clouds in the afterlife is not easy to live with.  It makes life choices a little more difficult and more thought out.  you know you better do it right the first time.  when you see a dinosaur show on TV, you can go find fossils yourself, when someone tells you the earth is 4.5 billion years old, you can go see for your self in many ways, the earth is round, pretty tough to not believe that, If I close my eyes and let Jesus take the wheel I know I'll hit a tree.  When you begin to understand physics and the general workings of our known universe it's pretty tough to "undo" that knowledge and try to force yourself to believe that a cosmic jewish zombie will make me live forever if I symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that I accept him as my master..., so he can remove an evil force from my "soul" that is present in me because a rib-woman was convinced to eat an apple from a magical tree by a talking snake....yeah I'm gonna stick with science & logic and the rest of you can keep saying that gravity is just a theory.

 

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Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?

 

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Multi, it certainly appears your "faith" is science based, No problem, it is your choice. So why the angst over someone choosing their own manner of "faith" based in religion?

Thru out time there have been happenings science simply can not "explain".  Perhaps it is because science is incomplete,perhaps it is because there is something even more base than science.

When you pass from this world perhaps then and only then will you know for certain.

If you wish to bet it all on black based on YOUR science based "faith" , it is certainly your choice which I respect without snide comments, please give others the same consideration in their religious based faith.

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Guys like Collins state it better than I. Of course he's just another unwashed ignorant like me. ;)

http://articles.cnn.com/2007-04-03/us/collins.commentary_1_god-dna-revel...

 

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I don't ever force religious views on anyone and I can understand how you guys can be sarcastic or cynical about it. With that said, I will tell you what I take from religion. First, I am catholic and historians don't dispute that there was once a man named Jesus and he changed the way people thought about things in a good way. His teachings are far diferent then old testament teachings. He preached love, respect, forgiveness and tolerance. Those are good things no matter who you are. So my take on it is that if you use religion to guide you to perform good works and have good will toward your fellow man, than there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Not even atheists can dispute that,  less they want to look like a fool.

Acting with love, forgiveness, and tolerance with good will toward your fellow man is more honorable if you do it just because it is the right thing to do, rather than doing so out of fear of where you'll go if you don't. Or doing so expecting a reward in the end. 

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Multi, it certainly appears your "faith" is science based, No problem, it is your choice. So why the angst over someone choosing their own manner of "faith" based in religion?

Thru out time there have been happenings science simply can not "explain".  Perhaps it is because science is incomplete,perhaps it is because there is something even more base than science.

There has been and always will be things science has not yet proven, or explained. a simple solar eclips was once thought to be a dragon consuming the sun in a battle against good & evil, but we all know today that isn't true.  I think science has gone well beyond the elementary levels of the bible itself and will continue to go further every day.  just because we don't know how something works or where it came from doesn't mean we can just credit it to invisible figures in the sky.  how much more scientific discovery will it take before people like you start running out of excuses arguments?

when the earth was proven to be round folks like yourself said the same thing, now we are discovering new planets outside our own solar system and outside our own galaxy virtualy by the minute and still the same rebuttal...it's just a theory, or science is incomplete.

When you pass from this world perhaps then and only then will you know for certain.
 

How long must one be dead before you "pass" as you like to call it.  I've been dead for a couple hours and never met any tall long haired blue eyed hippies from the middle east.

Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?
 

Full of myself and "my" scientific intellect? not hardly, everything I have said can be seen checked and proven by yourself. 

did you stop paying attention to science after high school? unless your definition of living is making a swiss watch...yes we have mixed the basic ingredients under the proper conditions and created functioning genetic material.

my question to you is, what will it take? I mean how much proof does one need.  the bible itself can be disproven verse by verse, story by story all day long today in 2012, yet the religious keep forming their own beliefs of how they think it should be to suit their own needs and comfort their own fears of death and their wrongs in life.

atheism is a word to describe one who does not believe in gods, it is not a group, nor a religion on chooses, it just means we don't believe it.  I don't believe greek mythology just as you don't, but at the time, the greeks believed in it just as much so as you do Jesus today. 

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Respect science, but don't put faith in it.   After spending 35+ years in science I am most impressed with how little we know.  We are small minded people living on a tiny spec in a vast universe yet we think we know so much.  Man is such an arrogant species.
When you guys have researched this for 50years, spent 35 years in science, watched politics twist both until the truth is buried then I would be interested in what you think.

Read some history by secular historians then compare that to some of the Bible.  I would guess if you do a good job it will at least make you think.  Read Darwins's Black Box by Michael J. Behe and compare it to the theories of irreversible complexity.  While reading these understand that just about every powerful and important civilization thought they were the ultimate and no one would ever compare to them.  Those were the same people with the flat earth theory.  In my lifetime science has often messed up.
Example:  When my father had his first heart attack they said he had to use Mazola corn oil because butter was going to kill him.  Today we know hydrogenated oils are worse for you than butter. 
We have mapped the entire human genome.  You want a child with blue eyes, you want blond hair.  No problem your  only limited by the genetic donors.  Oh, oh, now we find that each step in the DNA may have more than one function.  We were wrong just a couple of short years ago.
Virgin birth impossible?  Well now geneticists say the chances are one in five billion.  Of course we have been able to accomplish that through in vitro fertilization for a few years now.  Say, you don't suppose a vastly advanced society could have done that before us do you?  No, I'm not pushing extra terrestrials just trying to spark a thought. 
I don't laugh at agnostics, but atheists are as foolish as those they make fun of.  Please don't misunderstand.  I catch myself doing the same thing, but I'm trying to keep an open mind, and that's what atheists don't do.  If you don't believe that simply ask yourself what do you actually know?  Do you know much of anything someone else has not told you?  Most of us have to say 99% of our knowledge has been passed on to us. 

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an open mind to what? extra terrestrials or the bible?  I know the only proof is, there is no proof, but that doesn't mean I need to believe in invisible men in the sky that need money to reserve my place in the "afterlife"  and any fact can be argued to the point one doesn't even know what to believe anymore, but the earth is 6,000 years old, on the 6th day god created man, noahs ark, Zeus, Athena, etc etc etc. come one, lets get real here.  we can't just keep making up our own safety blankets for death.

Even the Catholic church recently admitted to the strong possibility of intelligent life on other planets, in other solar systems, from other galaxies, when not so long ago onhe would have been burned at the stake for saying we get sick from tiny organisms we can't see called germs.

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Respect science, but don't put faith in it.   After spending 35+ years in science I am most impressed with how little we know.  We are small minded people living on a tiny spec in a vast universe yet we think we know so much.  Man is such an arrogant species.
When you guys have researched this for 50years, spent 35 years in science, watched politics twist both until the truth is buried then I would be interested in what you think.

Read some history by secular historians then compare that to some of the Bible.  I would guess if you do a good job it will at least make you think.  Read Darwins's Black Box by Michael J. Behe and compare it to the theories of irreversible complexity.  While reading these understand that just about every powerful and important civilization thought they were the ultimate and no one would ever compare to them.  Those were the same people with the flat earth theory.  In my lifetime science has often messed up.
Example:  When my father had his first heart attack they said he had to use Mazola corn oil because butter was going to kill him.  Today we know hydrogenated oils are worse for you than butter. 
We have mapped the entire human genome.  You want a child with blue eyes, you want blond hair.  No problem your  only limited by the genetic donors.  Oh, oh, now we find that each step in the DNA may have more than one function.  We were wrong just a couple of short years ago.
Virgin birth impossible?  Well now geneticists say the chances are one in five billion.  Of course we have been able to accomplish that through in vitro fertilization for a few years now.  Say, you don't suppose a vastly advanced society could have done that before us do you?  No, I'm not pushing extra terrestrials just trying to spark a thought. 
I don't laugh at agnostics, but atheists are as foolish as those they make fun of.  Please don't misunderstand.  I catch myself doing the same thing, but I'm trying to keep an open mind, and that's what atheists don't do.  If you don't believe that simply ask yourself what do you actually know?  Do you know much of anything someone else has not told you?  Most of us have to say 99% of our knowledge has been passed on to us. 

I agree with you for the most part. Not the bolded though. The "non-believers" I know have read and studied and turned in to non-believers after they had a conversation with themselves about the facts. Most kids are not brought up to be non believers. The non believers had at one point had to have had an open mind to arrive at where they're at. 

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I want to see a scientist make a piece of copper.

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I like good ol' boys that understand respect, know how to work, and believe in the good lord.  Maybe I should look more into this, but I guess ignorance is bliss.

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."

"The constitution only gives people the right to pursue hapiness.  You have to catch it yourself."

"Well done is better than well said."

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

All by:  Benjamin Franklin.

"The solution to any problem - work, love, money, whatever - is to go fishing, and the bigger the problem, the longer the trip should be."

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svnmag Said:
I want to see a scientist make a piece of copper.

first off...do you know how copper is made?  we (mankind) have started the basic processes that lead up to the making of copper, we know how to make it, we know the ingredients, we just don't have an oven strong enough. 

we have fused hydrogen atoms together to create energy and helium, and we can fuse those helium atoms together to....and so on, but to create heavy metals especially the real heavy ones like gold or uranium, those can only be created under the gravity, heat, and pressure of star or a supernova, conditions that cannot be replicated here on earth no matter how much we try.

a scientist can show you the instant when and where in the universe copper is formed.

But I bet god can snap his fingers and say "let there be copper"

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but I'm trying to keep an open mind, and that's what atheists don't do. 

Oh, I don't know. Especially since statistics show atheists tend to know more about religion than religious people. It makes sense if you think about it,  dig too deep into religion and become a non believer.

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but I'm trying to keep an open mind, and that's what atheists don't do. 

Oh, I don't know. Especially since statistics show atheists tend to know more about religion than religious people. It makes sense if you think about it,  dig too deep into religion and become a non believer.

ahahahahaha...Never thought about it that way, but I'm willing to bet I've read and researched more religious text and history than anyone with the "belief".  Not for the sake of argument, but I find it very interesting how the one specie of animal on this planet that was able to look into the sky and contemplate its own existence has developed ways of coping with the unanswered questions and the inevitability of its own death.

You have to look at religion(s) from an un-biased perspective, with no preconcieved notions.  Study their origins and structure, how they changed over their reign, what brought them to an end to be labeled myths.  study them all and compare their differences and their scary similarities.  I remember when I was younger I almost chose to be a buddhist monk since that was the most peaceful and tolerant belief structure I could find, but soon realized I had better things to do. 

Do I now label myself an 'atheist'?...only because its an abreviated way of saying I don't believe in ghosts, vampires, Jesus, angels, medusa or the afterlife.  it doesn't mean I group myself with other atheists, I don't go to "atheist gatherings" or read "atheist books" even though most act as if an atheist worships the devil, which some have even suspected and accused me of once finding as many as a hundred snakes at a time in my home (it really freaks out the door to door kids by the way)

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I want to see a scientist make a hydrogen atom.

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I want to see a scientist make a hydrogen atom.

pay close attention to studies and experiments being done at fermilab and in the large hadron colider.  My bet is you'll see that very soon.

it's funny how believers need absolute proof of science, but blind faith is good enough for angels & demons.

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This millionaire wanted take some of his money to heaven with him when he died, so he talked to God about it beforehand. He told God that he had lived a good life and all he wanted was to bring a little of his fortune with him. God finally agreed, but told the millionaire he must limit the amount to whatever he could fit into one suitcase.

The millionaire decided to make the most of it by comparing American dollars, French Francs, Japenese Yen, and every kind of currency available in the world to see to it that he fit the most possible into the suitcase. Finally, he decided the best he could do was to exchange his money for gold and place that in the suitcase.

When he died and arrived at Heaven's gate, St. Peter asked him what was in the suitcase. He told St. Peter that down on earth he had been a millionaire and that God had given him permisson to bring some of his fortune with him, as long as he could fit it into one suitcase.

St. Peter told the millionaire this was most unusual and he would have to take a look inside the suitcase before he could determine whether the millionaire could enter the gate with it. The millionaire opened the suitcase and St. Peter said, "Oh, yes. That's just pavement, please come in!" 

   Without Faith in God,  life seems pretty empty.   You either belive or you don't, No gray areas about that.      Now, I am not backstroking here but there are gray areas in Science and the Bible , This is  where things get complicated for me.       So, Can I belive some of the science and question some of the things that I read in the Bible and still be a Christian ?    I sure hope so,  I guess that is between me and the Lord.   

 

 

 

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Man needs matter to produce matter.  If you want to get 80mph about it, from where did the pinprick originate which produced the Big Bang?  I'll stick with God "kicked it" and said; "Let there be light".

We will never "know" until we're six feet under or He comes back before then hence; faith.  Even Mother Theresa admitted to having doubt.  I guarantee if any of you "atheists" or "agnostics" are put under enough stress you'll call to Him (whatever version) for relief.  And in a serious manner.  Live your life and I'll live mine, just don't sneer at me as an idiot or interfere with instilling the concept of good and evil in my children.  We're still in America for a bit.  When you sneer at God, you to sneer at Einstein.  Without the concept of God, there is no good or evil.  We're reduced to mammals; a baby is either good or evil dependant upon environmental circumstances.  There is no appreciation of innocence or beauty.  Who wants to live like that in this country?  Without Guidance we're just mice and chimps practicing cannibalism and my concept of joy is beyond abstraction.

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Har! Their are twelve bad apples in my barrel. None have posted in quite some time. Watched a National Geographic channel show about the Koran calender. My 71 year old female coworker asked what I thought. I told her to get back to me a year from now. Am a person of faith to an extent; and try to keep an open mind. Formed an opinion to myself that cloning might be the dealbreaker. Perhaps they do find Sasquatch and that is the end-all; since they are that smart. History has scribed that sheep need a shephard.To open a box of eggs and find a broken egg is a good reason to pass judgement. To open many boxes to find the right ones; makes a good ommelette. Just add bacon. Guess it all comes down to the individual and what they really believe in. Petty would be the word most added to my vocabulary. "Do something about it?" Well; I just don't know. What would things be like if a man was afraid to pick his own battles? IT would be much easier if we knew who we are fighting.

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svnmag your right about the creation of matter.  I can not help but think back to the unveiling of the first cloned sheep.  The English scientist said "now there is nothing God can do that we can not", and claimed to have created life.  I thought what a paradox.  A brilliant mind yet so childishly naive.  They didn't create life.  They started with life itself and used those cells to make a new animal.  A new animal with old aging cells by the way.  A perfect example of man's arrogance.  I think the most intelligent people are those who understand how little we know.

I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the answers.  As a matter of fact I think I have very few answers.  However, as a retired scientis I do look at this from the scientific perspective and understanding how little we know.   Isn't it odd that people who watch Startreck (me) and Starwars (me again) many think that the cosmos is so vast that there is a possibility that animals that weird could exist, but God can't.   Where does that knowledge come from?  It isn't knowledge it's just as much imagination as that which they accuse believers of.   It's all very confusing.  I know I don't have the answers, but I also know no one else does either. 

I do know I have everything to gain and nothing to loose while the non believer has everything to loose and nothing to gain.  I just find it odd that non believers have this drive to demean religion.  What is the driving force behind their desire to do that?  It's much like the vegetarian that can't leave a meat eater to dine in peace.

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First off I will admit straight up I have not watched the Maher film on religion. Do not have much time for either his or Moores self serving "documentaries" .   Nor am I what I would consider an extremely "religious" person, but I have a very strong "faith". This faith is not a result of religious  "preaching", but by watching some people actually  live their lives.

I am curious from those that have watched Mahers film if their was any interpretation or examples of religion from those quiet majority involved in religion that are not "nut jobs"????

We all know the fire and brimstone religion fanatics, but we also know the quiet, humble, put others first people who have devoted their life to THEIR interpretations of the religion they practice that are UNQUESTIONABLY a positie to society and the people they impact.

I find often times it seems the  driveby, often times left wing, condemnation of religion as a whole is often times somewhat selfserving and self excusing in nature.Indeed just as in any and all segments of life, religion has those who will use it for selfserving purposes, as will those condemning it.

I don't recall seeing any fanatics of any religion. There are some players in the mass-media side of religion that Maher players like a fiddle, but for the most part, he visits normal people to talk with them about religion. Hell, he even went to a church at a truck stop that held services in the back of a 18 wheeler! That was good stuff.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion on the matter, i'm in no way deticated enough, nor do I care enough what other people belive. To each their own. I just thought it was a good opportunity to pass on some good information, because I myself have been on a never ending search for info on this matter for the past 1/4 year.

From an earlier post:

"You guys can not like Bill, but he doesn't even say much in this film. The radical religious figures say it all. They back themselves into a corner, and can't get out."

I guess this was where I formed the terminology I used in my question.

So were these people "radical" or not?

I am still curious how one can catagorically deny the "service" gained from religious beleifs and commitments and the faith that arises from them has not beeen proven?

The very examples you give would question that claim.

If the soldier in the foxhole finds a peace from the fear that is gripping him and gains the courage to go forth has not the "service" of faith based in religion been realized?

If the prisoner in a cell realizes and accepts the act that got him there was wrong and accepts his consequencesand changes his life because of his learning of faith thru religious teachings has not a "service" been realized from religion???

How can you know that a better life awaits you after this one is ended has not been "proven" or "disproven"?
 
I tend to agree with espringers, to much emphasis is placed on what religion one follows rather than the path of Faith one follows.

I'm not saying that it is wrong. I am guilty of it as well. I find myself praying to God when I am in a hard time, but I don't know if I 100% beleive in it. It is an escape, or a cry of faith that there is something out there that holds some say in my destiny.

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That is why there is faith. If it was all black and white and laid out perfectly everyone would "believe".

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 I have not seen the Religulious documentary, I will have to look for it.   I have seen the movie Jesus Camp, that is mostly filmed in ND.   Somewhere I read that it is no longer available on netflix.  To me taking these kids and putting the weight of the world on their shoulders along with the brainwashing amounts to child abuse.  

Religion in ones personal life can be a good thing.   When it becomes a crusade to make everyone else believe like you and act the way your religion says to, I have a problem with it.  (ie: mixing politics and religion)   

I sincerely tried religion for a number of years and it failed me miserably.   I am much more content as a non-believer.  I have also done a fair amount of research and  reading over the last couple of years.   Religions effect on people fascinates me.   Maybe some people are wired to believe and some aren't.      

It is the single most impactful influence on believers... More so than family in some cases. I have looked for Jesus Camp on netflix, and didn't find it. Must have just been added again. I'll check it out.

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I want to see a scientist make a piece of copper.

I would like to see Jesus turn Water into wine... or walk on water.

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I want to see a scientist make a piece of copper.

I would like to see Jesus turn Water into wine... or walk on water.

I would also like to see Santa Clause eat the cookies I laid out for him when I was a kid, but that doesn't happen either...

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Multi, please post peer reviewed article where functioning genetic material was created from basic materials. Thanks.

 

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 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

 

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Question for the non-believers:

When your life is over will there be a funeral??? 

What type of event do you want???  If any.

Anyone to say a few words???  Who???  Not a pastor I assume.

Do you want  to be buried in a cementary???  Most I have seen in ND are tied to some form of religion. 

Not trying to be a smart a**, just curious.

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Man needs matter to produce matter.  If you want to get 80mph about it, from where did the pinprick originate which produced the Big Bang?  I'll stick with God "kicked it" and said; "Let there be light".

We will never "know" until we're six feet under or He comes back before then hence; faith.  Even Mother Theresa admitted to having doubt.  I guarantee if any of you "atheists" or "agnostics" are put under enough stress you'll call to Him (whatever version) for relief.  And in a serious manner.  Live your life and I'll live mine, just don't sneer at me as an idiot or interfere with instilling the concept of good and evil in my children.  We're still in America for a bit.  When you sneer at God, you to sneer at Einstein.  Without the concept of God, there is no good or evil.  We're reduced to mammals; a baby is either good or evil dependant upon environmental circumstances.  There is no appreciation of innocence or beauty.  Who wants to live like that in this country?  Without Guidance we're just mice and chimps practicing cannibalism and my concept of joy is beyond abstraction.

 

why is this the last line of defence for religion...to go just beyond the current scientific horizon and say "god did it" because you can't prove he didn't, so what's the argument once we figure out and prove whats beyond the bang?

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  If you dont believe in God, you still have a religion, and science is your faith,
My Bible says I come from God.
science says I come from monkey which came from dinosaur, which  came from fish, which came from slug, which came from bacteria, which came from heck who knows.
   I will stick with God, He has the morals i want to live my life.
science says i am just an animal, and in the animal kingdom anything goes.

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Multi I would like to here more details on your 2 hours of death???

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Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?

I have to disagree with your logic about how it is impossible for something to come from nothing. Talk to a physicist about how it is possible for something to arise from nothing. It is very possible and can be mathematically explained. It is also very possible that humans arose from space dust. Looking at our complicated organ and tissue systems, it is difficult to grasp, but there have been recent research at the U of M that showed how single cell organisms can form more complex organisms. http://www1.umn.edu/news/features/2012/UR_CONTENT_370424.html  This is obviously a long way from a human, but this was achieved over a short period of time in a lab. Just think what could evolve in similar conditions over billions of years (evolution). 

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I never said "something from nothing". I said living or even bits of living tissue or functioning systems such as membranes, DNA, RNA, etc. have never ever been made from basic atoms and/or simple minerals no matter how much electrical sparking and prodding and soup-making 1000s of chemists have attempted. So at this point they figure it landed here on an asteroid. Of course even that theory doesn't explain where the asteroid got it from. Good grief. If science is so smart, why can' it explain the origin of even the simplest germ or bacteria?

It's science that claims that something came from nothing and it's called the Big Bang. Yep, that's what happened. A Big Bang. From out of nowhere. Of course science can't say where all energy/matter came from - just that it came in the form of a big bang.

Real insightful. Basically Big Bang is their name for creation theory in my opinion. I say God created it and they snicker at me. As if, when God created it, it couldn't possibly have resulted in a Big Bang.

By the way, I've attended, and passed, several quantum physics and quantum chemistry classes and passed them (the math made me want to puke). So don't give me that weak "ask a physicist" or "you can prove for yourself that the world is exactly 5.687345 billion years old yourself" bologna. If you want to argue with facts then let's go - but save the weak generalizations and "ask any reputable scientist" BS. I'm surrounded by BRILLIANT scientists in my career and many can rationalize both sides of the argument TOGETHER. Science and a Creator are not mutually exclusive for many many many scientists.

All you have to do is explain, rationally, where we came from and why we're hear and I'll relent and agree with you. Good luck in your task, geniuses.

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Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?

I have to disagree with your logic about how it is impossible for something to come from nothing. Talk to a physicist about how it is possible for something to arise from nothing. It is very possible and can be mathematically explained. It is also very possible that humans arose from space dust. Looking at our complicated organ and tissue systems, it is difficult to grasp, but there have been recent research at the U of M that showed how single cell organisms can form more complex organisms. http://www1.umn.edu/news/features/2012/UR_CONTENT_370424.html  This is obviously a long way from a human, but this was achieved over a short period of time in a lab. Just think what could evolve in similar conditions over billions of years (evolution). 

 

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I never said "something from nothing". I said living or even bits of living tissue or functioning systems such as membranes, DNA, RNA, etc. have never ever been made from basic atoms and/or simple minerals no matter how much electrical sparking and prodding and soup-making 1000s of chemists have attempted. So at this point they figure it landed here on an asteroid. Of course even that theory doesn't explain where the asteroid got it from. Good grief. If science is so smart, why can' it explain the origin of even the simplest germ or bacteria?

It's science that claims that something came from nothing and it's called the Big Bang. Yep, that's what happened. A Big Bang. From out of nowhere. Of course science can't say where all energy/matter came from - just that it came in the form of a big bang.

Real insightful. Basically Big Bang is their name for creation theory in my opinion. I say God created it and they snicker at me. As if, when God created it, it couldn't possibly have resulted in a Big Bang.

By the way, I've attended, and passed, several quantum physics and quantum chemistry classes and passed them (the math made me want to puke). So don't give me that weak "ask a physicist" or "you can prove for yourself that the world is exactly 5.687345 billion years old yourself" bologna. If you want to argue with facts then let's go - but save the weak generalizations and "ask any reputable scientist" BS. I'm surrounded by BRILLIANT scientists in my career and many can rationalize both sides of the argument TOGETHER. Science and a Creator are not mutually exclusive for many many many scientists.

All you have to do is explain, rationally, where we came from and why we're hear and I'll relent and agree with you. Good luck in your task, geniuses.

 

are you making stuff up now? in science the term is "we don't know yet" not "god created it"  I don't recall anything in any religious texts explaining anything about god igniting the "big bang" as we like to call it.

why were here? humans are so full of themselves we just can't imagine existing without reason or purpose, just can't enjoy consious existence alone.

and yes just a couple years ago at the University of manchester researchers combined amino acids, proteins, etc with the right conditions in a lab to create genetic material.  I'll find more on it for you later.  I'm surprised you didn't hear about it?...But I bet you knew Snooki was pregnant. 

once again the religious argument finds the scientific horizon and says god is just beyond that, the problem is the scientific horizon keeps expanding.

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I never said "something from nothing". I said living or even bits of living tissue or functioning systems such as membranes, DNA, RNA, etc. have never ever been made from basic atoms and/or simple minerals no matter how much electrical sparking and prodding and soup-making 1000s of chemists have attempted. So at this point they figure it landed here on an asteroid. Of course even that theory doesn't explain where the asteroid got it from. Good grief. If science is so smart, why can' it explain the origin of even the simplest germ or bacteria?

It's science that claims that something came from nothing and it's called the Big Bang. Yep, that's what happened. A Big Bang. From out of nowhere. Of course science can't say where all energy/matter came from - just that it came in the form of a big bang.

Real insightful. Basically Big Bang is their name for creation theory in my opinion. I say God created it and they snicker at me. As if, when God created it, it couldn't possibly have resulted in a Big Bang.

By the way, I've attended, and passed, several quantum physics and quantum chemistry classes and passed them (the math made me want to puke). So don't give me that weak "ask a physicist" or "you can prove for yourself that the world is exactly 5.687345 billion years old yourself" bologna. If you want to argue with facts then let's go - but save the weak generalizations and "ask any reputable scientist" BS. I'm surrounded by BRILLIANT scientists in my career and many can rationalize both sides of the argument TOGETHER. Science and a Creator are not mutually exclusive for many many many scientists.

All you have to do is explain, rationally, where we came from and why we're hear and I'll relent and agree with you. Good luck in your task, geniuses.

 

are you making stuff up now? in science the term is "we don't know yet" not "god created it"  I don't recall anything in any religious texts explaining anything about god igniting the "big bang" as we like to call it.

why were here? humans are so full of themselves we just can't imagine existing without reason or purpose, just can't enjoy consious existence alone.

and yes just a couple years ago at the University of manchester researchers combined amino acids, proteins, etc with the right conditions in a lab to create genetic material.  I'll find more on it for you later.  I'm surprised you didn't hear about it?...But I bet you knew Snooki was pregnant. 

once again the religious argument finds the scientific horizon and says god is just beyond that, the problem is the scientific horizon keeps expanding.

I say we exist because the angle of the dangle is directly proportionate of the heat of the beat. 

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 I'm surprised you didn't hear about it?...But I bet you knew Snooki was pregnant.

So why the degrading remark?  Just because someone will not believe your religion "science".   It would appear your as radical about your religion as the Muslims, or early Christians who misinterpreted the Bible, or those who purposely did for political gain. 

Christians are not perfect.  We make mistakes every day, but know it and feel sorry about it.  I feel bad about my first two sentences, but I didn't know how to get you to look at that and say it in a kind way.  Please forgive me for being so abrupt, but your here trying to force your beliefs, not the other way around.  Personally I'm just trying to make sure my faith survives in the face of your disbelief.

I'm not trying to make you believe multi, I'm just doing my own form of apologetics for my own benefit.  That's perhaps selfish of me, but that's the way it is.  I have to survive your opinion just like I have to survive the opinion of the vegan at the restaurant when I am eating ribeye.

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They started with proteins? They started with materials taken from living things? Do you not understand the question? Start with things found on a lifeless planet earth. Water, salts, minerals, sunlight, lightning, lava, whatever... And make even the simplest membrane or even a piece of life, yet alone simplest form.

As for your snookie comment you can go piss up a rope. You're now on my troll list with L. Elvis, etc. Adios super genius. See you on the other side.

 

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I never said "something from nothing". I said living or even bits of living tissue or functioning systems such as membranes, DNA, RNA, etc. have never ever been made from basic atoms and/or simple minerals no matter how much electrical sparking and prodding and soup-making 1000s of chemists have attempted. So at this point they figure it landed here on an asteroid. Of course even that theory doesn't explain where the asteroid got it from. Good grief. If science is so smart, why can' it explain the origin of even the simplest germ or bacteria?

It's science that claims that something came from nothing and it's called the Big Bang. Yep, that's what happened. A Big Bang. From out of nowhere. Of course science can't say where all energy/matter came from - just that it came in the form of a big bang.

Real insightful. Basically Big Bang is their name for creation theory in my opinion. I say God created it and they snicker at me. As if, when God created it, it couldn't possibly have resulted in a Big Bang.

By the way, I've attended, and passed, several quantum physics and quantum chemistry classes and passed them (the math made me want to puke). So don't give me that weak "ask a physicist" or "you can prove for yourself that the world is exactly 5.687345 billion years old yourself" bologna. If you want to argue with facts then let's go - but save the weak generalizations and "ask any reputable scientist" BS. I'm surrounded by BRILLIANT scientists in my career and many can rationalize both sides of the argument TOGETHER. Science and a Creator are not mutually exclusive for many many many scientists.

All you have to do is explain, rationally, where we came from and why we're hear and I'll relent and agree with you. Good luck in your task, geniuses.

 

are you making stuff up now? in science the term is "we don't know yet" not "god created it"  I don't recall anything in any religious texts explaining anything about god igniting the "big bang" as we like to call it.

why were here? humans are so full of themselves we just can't imagine existing without reason or purpose, just can't enjoy consious existence alone.

and yes just a couple years ago at the University of manchester researchers combined amino acids, proteins, etc with the right conditions in a lab to create genetic material.  I'll find more on it for you later.  I'm surprised you didn't hear about it?...But I bet you knew Snooki was pregnant. 

once again the religious argument finds the scientific horizon and says god is just beyond that, the problem is the scientific horizon keeps expanding.

I say we exist because the angle of the dangle is directly proportionate of the heat of the beat. 

Thank you! And that is in direct relation of our own ability to go out and get tattoos of butts, with butt shaped tattoos on them, right on our butts! Cuz it's cool heh heh heh...

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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It was only a few years ago (20?) that the catholic church acknowledged that the earth rotated around the sun and not the other way around.  Something science knew over 100 years ago, maybe 2K years. 

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Erastothenes discoverd the circumfernce of the earth, and he died in 194 BC.  So for over 2000 years

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If you don't watch it, you will end up on your own troll list. You sure get offended when someone comes after you, but you sure like to dish it out. Science is a continual process in which we are always working towards more knowledge. It is pointless to try and insult others and I on here because we do not leave everything to faith. If there is a god, I think he/she would be pleased that we are using our intellect to its fullest rather than suppressing it with blind faith.

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I never said "something from nothing". I said living or even bits of living tissue or functioning systems such as membranes, DNA, RNA, etc. have never ever been made from basic atoms and/or simple minerals no matter how much electrical sparking and prodding and soup-making 1000s of chemists have attempted. So at this point they figure it landed here on an asteroid. Of course even that theory doesn't explain where the asteroid got it from. Good grief. If science is so smart, why can' it explain the origin of even the simplest germ or bacteria?

It's science that claims that something came from nothing and it's called the Big Bang. Yep, that's what happened. A Big Bang. From out of nowhere. Of course science can't say where all energy/matter came from - just that it came in the form of a big bang.

Real insightful. Basically Big Bang is their name for creation theory in my opinion. I say God created it and they snicker at me. As if, when God created it, it couldn't possibly have resulted in a Big Bang.

By the way, I've attended, and passed, several quantum physics and quantum chemistry classes and passed them (the math made me want to puke). So don't give me that weak "ask a physicist" or "you can prove for yourself that the world is exactly 5.687345 billion years old yourself" bologna. If you want to argue with facts then let's go - but save the weak generalizations and "ask any reputable scientist" BS. I'm surrounded by BRILLIANT scientists in my career and many can rationalize both sides of the argument TOGETHER. Science and a Creator are not mutually exclusive for many many many scientists.

All you have to do is explain, rationally, where we came from and why we're hear and I'll relent and agree with you. Good luck in your task, geniuses.

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Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?

I have to disagree with your logic about how it is impossible for something to come from nothing. Talk to a physicist about how it is possible for something to arise from nothing. It is very possible and can be mathematically explained. It is also very possible that humans arose from space dust. Looking at our complicated organ and tissue systems, it is difficult to grasp, but there have been recent research at the U of M that showed how single cell organisms can form more complex organisms. http://www1.umn.edu/news/features/2012/UR_CONTENT_370424.html  This is obviously a long way from a human, but this was achieved over a short period of time in a lab. Just think what could evolve in similar conditions over billions of years (evolution). 

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At no point did I state I leave everything to faith. I tried to explain that science has only strengthened my faith. I didn't engage with my faith until out of college and with a decent science CV under my belt. I'll swap CVs with you over PM if you'd like. Doing so here seems stupid. I'm here to debate, not act like I'm better than everyone else or even God - like some of the others here.

I don't tolerate genuine personal attacks. Don't have any use for them, won't tolerate them. Go ahead - put me on your troll list, what do I care? You can come after my facts or issues - but that snookie comment was a total rookie "I'm losing the debate so I'll get personal" BS.

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If you don't watch it, you will end up on your own troll list. You sure get offended when someone comes after you, but you sure like to dish it out. Science is a continual process in which we are always working towards more knowledge. It is pointless to try and insult others and I on here because we do not leave everything to faith. If there is a god, I think he/she would be pleased that we are using our intellect to its fullest rather than suppressing it with blind faith.

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I never said "something from nothing". I said living or even bits of living tissue or functioning systems such as membranes, DNA, RNA, etc. have never ever been made from basic atoms and/or simple minerals no matter how much electrical sparking and prodding and soup-making 1000s of chemists have attempted. So at this point they figure it landed here on an asteroid. Of course even that theory doesn't explain where the asteroid got it from. Good grief. If science is so smart, why can' it explain the origin of even the simplest germ or bacteria?

It's science that claims that something came from nothing and it's called the Big Bang. Yep, that's what happened. A Big Bang. From out of nowhere. Of course science can't say where all energy/matter came from - just that it came in the form of a big bang.

Real insightful. Basically Big Bang is their name for creation theory in my opinion. I say God created it and they snicker at me. As if, when God created it, it couldn't possibly have resulted in a Big Bang.

By the way, I've attended, and passed, several quantum physics and quantum chemistry classes and passed them (the math made me want to puke). So don't give me that weak "ask a physicist" or "you can prove for yourself that the world is exactly 5.687345 billion years old yourself" bologna. If you want to argue with facts then let's go - but save the weak generalizations and "ask any reputable scientist" BS. I'm surrounded by BRILLIANT scientists in my career and many can rationalize both sides of the argument TOGETHER. Science and a Creator are not mutually exclusive for many many many scientists.

All you have to do is explain, rationally, where we came from and why we're hear and I'll relent and agree with you. Good luck in your task, geniuses.

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guywhofishes Said:
Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?

I have to disagree with your logic about how it is impossible for something to come from nothing. Talk to a physicist about how it is possible for something to arise from nothing. It is very possible and can be mathematically explained. It is also very possible that humans arose from space dust. Looking at our complicated organ and tissue systems, it is difficult to grasp, but there have been recent research at the U of M that showed how single cell organisms can form more complex organisms. http://www1.umn.edu/news/features/2012/UR_CONTENT_370424.html  This is obviously a long way from a human, but this was achieved over a short period of time in a lab. Just think what could evolve in similar conditions over billions of years (evolution). 

 

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 I dont wanna make light of anyones opinions or beliefs but.......


 

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 I dont wanna make light of anyones opinions or beliefs but.......


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Thats funny. You don't want to act like you are better than me, but you would like to swap CVs. I agree that the snookie comment was a little low, but you came at me with a condescending tone with the first post I made today. I tried to make a little joke out of it and you get even more defensive. I don't have a troll list and I don't intend to create one. You're the one that said "You're now on my troll list with L. Elvis, etc. ". Haha. You better get back to polishing your CV that is loaded with quantum physics and quantum chemistry peer reviewed papers. I am very impressed!

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At no point did I state I leave everything to faith. I tried to explain that science has only strengthened my faith. I didn't engage with my faith until out of college and with a decent science CV under my belt. I'll swap CVs with you over PM if you'd like. Doing so here seems stupid. I'm here to debate, not act like I'm better than everyone else or even God - like some of the others here.

I don't tolerate genuine personal attacks. Don't have any use for them, won't tolerate them. Go ahead - put me on your troll list, what do I care? You can come after my facts or issues - but that snookie comment was a total rookie "I'm losing the debate so I'll get personal" BS.

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Go back and read again. It was multi and his snookie comment who made the troll list, not you science>religion.

Also, I simply want to establish my credibility in science so you understand I'm not BSing about my science background. Being polite, not wanting to make you feel inferior, if that's possible.

With a tag like science>religion, your position is already established. No point in debating I guess. Have a good one.

 

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Go back and read again. It was multi and his snookie comment who made the troll list, not you science>religion.

Also, I simply want to establish my credibility in science so you understand I'm not BSing about my science background. Being polite, not wanting to make you feel inferior, if that's possible.

With a tag like science>religion, your position is already established. No point in debating I guess. Have a good one.

science>religion = fargoflyfish for reference sake

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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Holy schneikes, I go work for a few hours and everyones all butt hurt.  Sorry guywhofishes, that snooki comment came off different than I intended.  I was in a hurry on lunch slappin the keyboard without the time to re-read.  I know it looks like I said "guywhofishes is dumb because he just watches jersey shore all day"  I meant it to sound more like "how could you know of any new scientific discoveries when the news is talkin about snooki all day"  Sorry again, it was a poor attempt at humor.

anyway, yeah the , nitrogen, carbon, aminos, proteins, etc etc.  emphasis on the "etc" I was blah blah blahing just to say I'll get back to you later on that subject.  and now I'm back...the closest thing I can find for you to see on that research is an episode of nova science now called "where did we come from" at 16 minutes into the episode on Netflix, I cant find the original articles & literature I read a couple years ago but it's easier & more entertaining to watch than read anyway.  If you don't have netflix I can summarize it for you, it's pretty interesting.

Where are you at on this topic anyway guy?  too much science to take the bible literally, not dumb enough to buy scientology, hopefully not dumb enough for creationism, must be in the intelligent design ballpark?

And whats a troll list?

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Apology accepted. Yeah, intelligent design area, way way too much mind-blowing amounts of stored data/instructions are needed in even the simplest living entity for it to have auto-assembled. IMO. Pure physics call for things to disperse and dissociate into chaos. Life pulls things from choas into order... that's "retarded" in a natural sense. What possible rational is there for MBs of data/instructions to fall into place to allow the very first simple cell to operate... Let alone split into two and replicate! What the heck? How could that "just happen by chance". The complexity of even the simplest cell is just too dang mind-blowing. I just can't accept it just formed itself into a functioning system with the complexity rivalong a major metro/city.

 

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