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I am an avid Netflix Documentary watcher, and I saw one lastnight called Religulious by Bill Maher. I know religion is a touchy subject, but hoyl smokes, does this ever bring some light to a very taboo topic. I recommend watching it.

Has anyone seen any other good ones? Street Thief is another really good one!

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I like good ol' boys that understand respect, know how to work, and believe in the good lord.  Maybe I should look more into this, but I guess ignorance is bliss.

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"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

All by:  Benjamin Franklin.

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svnmag Said:
I want to see a scientist make a piece of copper.

first off...do you know how copper is made?  we (mankind) have started the basic processes that lead up to the making of copper, we know how to make it, we know the ingredients, we just don't have an oven strong enough. 

we have fused hydrogen atoms together to create energy and helium, and we can fuse those helium atoms together to....and so on, but to create heavy metals especially the real heavy ones like gold or uranium, those can only be created under the gravity, heat, and pressure of star or a supernova, conditions that cannot be replicated here on earth no matter how much we try.

a scientist can show you the instant when and where in the universe copper is formed.

But I bet god can snap his fingers and say "let there be copper"

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but I'm trying to keep an open mind, and that's what atheists don't do. 

Oh, I don't know. Especially since statistics show atheists tend to know more about religion than religious people. It makes sense if you think about it,  dig too deep into religion and become a non believer.

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but I'm trying to keep an open mind, and that's what atheists don't do. 

Oh, I don't know. Especially since statistics show atheists tend to know more about religion than religious people. It makes sense if you think about it,  dig too deep into religion and become a non believer.

ahahahahaha...Never thought about it that way, but I'm willing to bet I've read and researched more religious text and history than anyone with the "belief".  Not for the sake of argument, but I find it very interesting how the one specie of animal on this planet that was able to look into the sky and contemplate its own existence has developed ways of coping with the unanswered questions and the inevitability of its own death.

You have to look at religion(s) from an un-biased perspective, with no preconcieved notions.  Study their origins and structure, how they changed over their reign, what brought them to an end to be labeled myths.  study them all and compare their differences and their scary similarities.  I remember when I was younger I almost chose to be a buddhist monk since that was the most peaceful and tolerant belief structure I could find, but soon realized I had better things to do. 

Do I now label myself an 'atheist'?...only because its an abreviated way of saying I don't believe in ghosts, vampires, Jesus, angels, medusa or the afterlife.  it doesn't mean I group myself with other atheists, I don't go to "atheist gatherings" or read "atheist books" even though most act as if an atheist worships the devil, which some have even suspected and accused me of once finding as many as a hundred snakes at a time in my home (it really freaks out the door to door kids by the way)

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I want to see a scientist make a hydrogen atom.

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I want to see a scientist make a hydrogen atom.

pay close attention to studies and experiments being done at fermilab and in the large hadron colider.  My bet is you'll see that very soon.

it's funny how believers need absolute proof of science, but blind faith is good enough for angels & demons.

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This millionaire wanted take some of his money to heaven with him when he died, so he talked to God about it beforehand. He told God that he had lived a good life and all he wanted was to bring a little of his fortune with him. God finally agreed, but told the millionaire he must limit the amount to whatever he could fit into one suitcase.

The millionaire decided to make the most of it by comparing American dollars, French Francs, Japenese Yen, and every kind of currency available in the world to see to it that he fit the most possible into the suitcase. Finally, he decided the best he could do was to exchange his money for gold and place that in the suitcase.

When he died and arrived at Heaven's gate, St. Peter asked him what was in the suitcase. He told St. Peter that down on earth he had been a millionaire and that God had given him permisson to bring some of his fortune with him, as long as he could fit it into one suitcase.

St. Peter told the millionaire this was most unusual and he would have to take a look inside the suitcase before he could determine whether the millionaire could enter the gate with it. The millionaire opened the suitcase and St. Peter said, "Oh, yes. That's just pavement, please come in!" 

   Without Faith in God,  life seems pretty empty.   You either belive or you don't, No gray areas about that.      Now, I am not backstroking here but there are gray areas in Science and the Bible , This is  where things get complicated for me.       So, Can I belive some of the science and question some of the things that I read in the Bible and still be a Christian ?    I sure hope so,  I guess that is between me and the Lord.   

 

 

 

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Man needs matter to produce matter.  If you want to get 80mph about it, from where did the pinprick originate which produced the Big Bang?  I'll stick with God "kicked it" and said; "Let there be light".

We will never "know" until we're six feet under or He comes back before then hence; faith.  Even Mother Theresa admitted to having doubt.  I guarantee if any of you "atheists" or "agnostics" are put under enough stress you'll call to Him (whatever version) for relief.  And in a serious manner.  Live your life and I'll live mine, just don't sneer at me as an idiot or interfere with instilling the concept of good and evil in my children.  We're still in America for a bit.  When you sneer at God, you to sneer at Einstein.  Without the concept of God, there is no good or evil.  We're reduced to mammals; a baby is either good or evil dependant upon environmental circumstances.  There is no appreciation of innocence or beauty.  Who wants to live like that in this country?  Without Guidance we're just mice and chimps practicing cannibalism and my concept of joy is beyond abstraction.

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Har! Their are twelve bad apples in my barrel. None have posted in quite some time. Watched a National Geographic channel show about the Koran calender. My 71 year old female coworker asked what I thought. I told her to get back to me a year from now. Am a person of faith to an extent; and try to keep an open mind. Formed an opinion to myself that cloning might be the dealbreaker. Perhaps they do find Sasquatch and that is the end-all; since they are that smart. History has scribed that sheep need a shephard.To open a box of eggs and find a broken egg is a good reason to pass judgement. To open many boxes to find the right ones; makes a good ommelette. Just add bacon. Guess it all comes down to the individual and what they really believe in. Petty would be the word most added to my vocabulary. "Do something about it?" Well; I just don't know. What would things be like if a man was afraid to pick his own battles? IT would be much easier if we knew who we are fighting.

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svnmag your right about the creation of matter.  I can not help but think back to the unveiling of the first cloned sheep.  The English scientist said "now there is nothing God can do that we can not", and claimed to have created life.  I thought what a paradox.  A brilliant mind yet so childishly naive.  They didn't create life.  They started with life itself and used those cells to make a new animal.  A new animal with old aging cells by the way.  A perfect example of man's arrogance.  I think the most intelligent people are those who understand how little we know.

I'll be the first to admit I don't have all the answers.  As a matter of fact I think I have very few answers.  However, as a retired scientis I do look at this from the scientific perspective and understanding how little we know.   Isn't it odd that people who watch Startreck (me) and Starwars (me again) many think that the cosmos is so vast that there is a possibility that animals that weird could exist, but God can't.   Where does that knowledge come from?  It isn't knowledge it's just as much imagination as that which they accuse believers of.   It's all very confusing.  I know I don't have the answers, but I also know no one else does either. 

I do know I have everything to gain and nothing to loose while the non believer has everything to loose and nothing to gain.  I just find it odd that non believers have this drive to demean religion.  What is the driving force behind their desire to do that?  It's much like the vegetarian that can't leave a meat eater to dine in peace.

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First off I will admit straight up I have not watched the Maher film on religion. Do not have much time for either his or Moores self serving "documentaries" .   Nor am I what I would consider an extremely "religious" person, but I have a very strong "faith". This faith is not a result of religious  "preaching", but by watching some people actually  live their lives.

I am curious from those that have watched Mahers film if their was any interpretation or examples of religion from those quiet majority involved in religion that are not "nut jobs"????

We all know the fire and brimstone religion fanatics, but we also know the quiet, humble, put others first people who have devoted their life to THEIR interpretations of the religion they practice that are UNQUESTIONABLY a positie to society and the people they impact.

I find often times it seems the  driveby, often times left wing, condemnation of religion as a whole is often times somewhat selfserving and self excusing in nature.Indeed just as in any and all segments of life, religion has those who will use it for selfserving purposes, as will those condemning it.

I don't recall seeing any fanatics of any religion. There are some players in the mass-media side of religion that Maher players like a fiddle, but for the most part, he visits normal people to talk with them about religion. Hell, he even went to a church at a truck stop that held services in the back of a 18 wheeler! That was good stuff.

I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion on the matter, i'm in no way deticated enough, nor do I care enough what other people belive. To each their own. I just thought it was a good opportunity to pass on some good information, because I myself have been on a never ending search for info on this matter for the past 1/4 year.

From an earlier post:

"You guys can not like Bill, but he doesn't even say much in this film. The radical religious figures say it all. They back themselves into a corner, and can't get out."

I guess this was where I formed the terminology I used in my question.

So were these people "radical" or not?

I am still curious how one can catagorically deny the "service" gained from religious beleifs and commitments and the faith that arises from them has not beeen proven?

The very examples you give would question that claim.

If the soldier in the foxhole finds a peace from the fear that is gripping him and gains the courage to go forth has not the "service" of faith based in religion been realized?

If the prisoner in a cell realizes and accepts the act that got him there was wrong and accepts his consequencesand changes his life because of his learning of faith thru religious teachings has not a "service" been realized from religion???

How can you know that a better life awaits you after this one is ended has not been "proven" or "disproven"?
 
I tend to agree with espringers, to much emphasis is placed on what religion one follows rather than the path of Faith one follows.

I'm not saying that it is wrong. I am guilty of it as well. I find myself praying to God when I am in a hard time, but I don't know if I 100% beleive in it. It is an escape, or a cry of faith that there is something out there that holds some say in my destiny.

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That is why there is faith. If it was all black and white and laid out perfectly everyone would "believe".

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 I have not seen the Religulious documentary, I will have to look for it.   I have seen the movie Jesus Camp, that is mostly filmed in ND.   Somewhere I read that it is no longer available on netflix.  To me taking these kids and putting the weight of the world on their shoulders along with the brainwashing amounts to child abuse.  

Religion in ones personal life can be a good thing.   When it becomes a crusade to make everyone else believe like you and act the way your religion says to, I have a problem with it.  (ie: mixing politics and religion)   

I sincerely tried religion for a number of years and it failed me miserably.   I am much more content as a non-believer.  I have also done a fair amount of research and  reading over the last couple of years.   Religions effect on people fascinates me.   Maybe some people are wired to believe and some aren't.      

It is the single most impactful influence on believers... More so than family in some cases. I have looked for Jesus Camp on netflix, and didn't find it. Must have just been added again. I'll check it out.

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svnmag Said:
I want to see a scientist make a piece of copper.

I would like to see Jesus turn Water into wine... or walk on water.

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I want to see a scientist make a piece of copper.

I would like to see Jesus turn Water into wine... or walk on water.

I would also like to see Santa Clause eat the cookies I laid out for him when I was a kid, but that doesn't happen either...

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Multi, please post peer reviewed article where functioning genetic material was created from basic materials. Thanks.

 

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 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

 

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Question for the non-believers:

When your life is over will there be a funeral??? 

What type of event do you want???  If any.

Anyone to say a few words???  Who???  Not a pastor I assume.

Do you want  to be buried in a cementary???  Most I have seen in ND are tied to some form of religion. 

Not trying to be a smart a**, just curious.

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Man needs matter to produce matter.  If you want to get 80mph about it, from where did the pinprick originate which produced the Big Bang?  I'll stick with God "kicked it" and said; "Let there be light".

We will never "know" until we're six feet under or He comes back before then hence; faith.  Even Mother Theresa admitted to having doubt.  I guarantee if any of you "atheists" or "agnostics" are put under enough stress you'll call to Him (whatever version) for relief.  And in a serious manner.  Live your life and I'll live mine, just don't sneer at me as an idiot or interfere with instilling the concept of good and evil in my children.  We're still in America for a bit.  When you sneer at God, you to sneer at Einstein.  Without the concept of God, there is no good or evil.  We're reduced to mammals; a baby is either good or evil dependant upon environmental circumstances.  There is no appreciation of innocence or beauty.  Who wants to live like that in this country?  Without Guidance we're just mice and chimps practicing cannibalism and my concept of joy is beyond abstraction.

 

why is this the last line of defence for religion...to go just beyond the current scientific horizon and say "god did it" because you can't prove he didn't, so what's the argument once we figure out and prove whats beyond the bang?

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  If you dont believe in God, you still have a religion, and science is your faith,
My Bible says I come from God.
science says I come from monkey which came from dinosaur, which  came from fish, which came from slug, which came from bacteria, which came from heck who knows.
   I will stick with God, He has the morals i want to live my life.
science says i am just an animal, and in the animal kingdom anything goes.

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Multi I would like to here more details on your 2 hours of death???

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Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?

I have to disagree with your logic about how it is impossible for something to come from nothing. Talk to a physicist about how it is possible for something to arise from nothing. It is very possible and can be mathematically explained. It is also very possible that humans arose from space dust. Looking at our complicated organ and tissue systems, it is difficult to grasp, but there have been recent research at the U of M that showed how single cell organisms can form more complex organisms. http://www1.umn.edu/news/features/2012/UR_CONTENT_370424.html  This is obviously a long way from a human, but this was achieved over a short period of time in a lab. Just think what could evolve in similar conditions over billions of years (evolution). 

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I never said "something from nothing". I said living or even bits of living tissue or functioning systems such as membranes, DNA, RNA, etc. have never ever been made from basic atoms and/or simple minerals no matter how much electrical sparking and prodding and soup-making 1000s of chemists have attempted. So at this point they figure it landed here on an asteroid. Of course even that theory doesn't explain where the asteroid got it from. Good grief. If science is so smart, why can' it explain the origin of even the simplest germ or bacteria?

It's science that claims that something came from nothing and it's called the Big Bang. Yep, that's what happened. A Big Bang. From out of nowhere. Of course science can't say where all energy/matter came from - just that it came in the form of a big bang.

Real insightful. Basically Big Bang is their name for creation theory in my opinion. I say God created it and they snicker at me. As if, when God created it, it couldn't possibly have resulted in a Big Bang.

By the way, I've attended, and passed, several quantum physics and quantum chemistry classes and passed them (the math made me want to puke). So don't give me that weak "ask a physicist" or "you can prove for yourself that the world is exactly 5.687345 billion years old yourself" bologna. If you want to argue with facts then let's go - but save the weak generalizations and "ask any reputable scientist" BS. I'm surrounded by BRILLIANT scientists in my career and many can rationalize both sides of the argument TOGETHER. Science and a Creator are not mutually exclusive for many many many scientists.

All you have to do is explain, rationally, where we came from and why we're hear and I'll relent and agree with you. Good luck in your task, geniuses.

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Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?

I have to disagree with your logic about how it is impossible for something to come from nothing. Talk to a physicist about how it is possible for something to arise from nothing. It is very possible and can be mathematically explained. It is also very possible that humans arose from space dust. Looking at our complicated organ and tissue systems, it is difficult to grasp, but there have been recent research at the U of M that showed how single cell organisms can form more complex organisms. http://www1.umn.edu/news/features/2012/UR_CONTENT_370424.html  This is obviously a long way from a human, but this was achieved over a short period of time in a lab. Just think what could evolve in similar conditions over billions of years (evolution). 

 

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I never said "something from nothing". I said living or even bits of living tissue or functioning systems such as membranes, DNA, RNA, etc. have never ever been made from basic atoms and/or simple minerals no matter how much electrical sparking and prodding and soup-making 1000s of chemists have attempted. So at this point they figure it landed here on an asteroid. Of course even that theory doesn't explain where the asteroid got it from. Good grief. If science is so smart, why can' it explain the origin of even the simplest germ or bacteria?

It's science that claims that something came from nothing and it's called the Big Bang. Yep, that's what happened. A Big Bang. From out of nowhere. Of course science can't say where all energy/matter came from - just that it came in the form of a big bang.

Real insightful. Basically Big Bang is their name for creation theory in my opinion. I say God created it and they snicker at me. As if, when God created it, it couldn't possibly have resulted in a Big Bang.

By the way, I've attended, and passed, several quantum physics and quantum chemistry classes and passed them (the math made me want to puke). So don't give me that weak "ask a physicist" or "you can prove for yourself that the world is exactly 5.687345 billion years old yourself" bologna. If you want to argue with facts then let's go - but save the weak generalizations and "ask any reputable scientist" BS. I'm surrounded by BRILLIANT scientists in my career and many can rationalize both sides of the argument TOGETHER. Science and a Creator are not mutually exclusive for many many many scientists.

All you have to do is explain, rationally, where we came from and why we're hear and I'll relent and agree with you. Good luck in your task, geniuses.

 

are you making stuff up now? in science the term is "we don't know yet" not "god created it"  I don't recall anything in any religious texts explaining anything about god igniting the "big bang" as we like to call it.

why were here? humans are so full of themselves we just can't imagine existing without reason or purpose, just can't enjoy consious existence alone.

and yes just a couple years ago at the University of manchester researchers combined amino acids, proteins, etc with the right conditions in a lab to create genetic material.  I'll find more on it for you later.  I'm surprised you didn't hear about it?...But I bet you knew Snooki was pregnant. 

once again the religious argument finds the scientific horizon and says god is just beyond that, the problem is the scientific horizon keeps expanding.

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I never said "something from nothing". I said living or even bits of living tissue or functioning systems such as membranes, DNA, RNA, etc. have never ever been made from basic atoms and/or simple minerals no matter how much electrical sparking and prodding and soup-making 1000s of chemists have attempted. So at this point they figure it landed here on an asteroid. Of course even that theory doesn't explain where the asteroid got it from. Good grief. If science is so smart, why can' it explain the origin of even the simplest germ or bacteria?

It's science that claims that something came from nothing and it's called the Big Bang. Yep, that's what happened. A Big Bang. From out of nowhere. Of course science can't say where all energy/matter came from - just that it came in the form of a big bang.

Real insightful. Basically Big Bang is their name for creation theory in my opinion. I say God created it and they snicker at me. As if, when God created it, it couldn't possibly have resulted in a Big Bang.

By the way, I've attended, and passed, several quantum physics and quantum chemistry classes and passed them (the math made me want to puke). So don't give me that weak "ask a physicist" or "you can prove for yourself that the world is exactly 5.687345 billion years old yourself" bologna. If you want to argue with facts then let's go - but save the weak generalizations and "ask any reputable scientist" BS. I'm surrounded by BRILLIANT scientists in my career and many can rationalize both sides of the argument TOGETHER. Science and a Creator are not mutually exclusive for many many many scientists.

All you have to do is explain, rationally, where we came from and why we're hear and I'll relent and agree with you. Good luck in your task, geniuses.

 

are you making stuff up now? in science the term is "we don't know yet" not "god created it"  I don't recall anything in any religious texts explaining anything about god igniting the "big bang" as we like to call it.

why were here? humans are so full of themselves we just can't imagine existing without reason or purpose, just can't enjoy consious existence alone.

and yes just a couple years ago at the University of manchester researchers combined amino acids, proteins, etc with the right conditions in a lab to create genetic material.  I'll find more on it for you later.  I'm surprised you didn't hear about it?...But I bet you knew Snooki was pregnant. 

once again the religious argument finds the scientific horizon and says god is just beyond that, the problem is the scientific horizon keeps expanding.

I say we exist because the angle of the dangle is directly proportionate of the heat of the beat. 

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 I'm surprised you didn't hear about it?...But I bet you knew Snooki was pregnant.

So why the degrading remark?  Just because someone will not believe your religion "science".   It would appear your as radical about your religion as the Muslims, or early Christians who misinterpreted the Bible, or those who purposely did for political gain. 

Christians are not perfect.  We make mistakes every day, but know it and feel sorry about it.  I feel bad about my first two sentences, but I didn't know how to get you to look at that and say it in a kind way.  Please forgive me for being so abrupt, but your here trying to force your beliefs, not the other way around.  Personally I'm just trying to make sure my faith survives in the face of your disbelief.

I'm not trying to make you believe multi, I'm just doing my own form of apologetics for my own benefit.  That's perhaps selfish of me, but that's the way it is.  I have to survive your opinion just like I have to survive the opinion of the vegan at the restaurant when I am eating ribeye.

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They started with proteins? They started with materials taken from living things? Do you not understand the question? Start with things found on a lifeless planet earth. Water, salts, minerals, sunlight, lightning, lava, whatever... And make even the simplest membrane or even a piece of life, yet alone simplest form.

As for your snookie comment you can go piss up a rope. You're now on my troll list with L. Elvis, etc. Adios super genius. See you on the other side.

 

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Captain Ahab Said:

multi-species-angler Said:

I never said "something from nothing". I said living or even bits of living tissue or functioning systems such as membranes, DNA, RNA, etc. have never ever been made from basic atoms and/or simple minerals no matter how much electrical sparking and prodding and soup-making 1000s of chemists have attempted. So at this point they figure it landed here on an asteroid. Of course even that theory doesn't explain where the asteroid got it from. Good grief. If science is so smart, why can' it explain the origin of even the simplest germ or bacteria?

It's science that claims that something came from nothing and it's called the Big Bang. Yep, that's what happened. A Big Bang. From out of nowhere. Of course science can't say where all energy/matter came from - just that it came in the form of a big bang.

Real insightful. Basically Big Bang is their name for creation theory in my opinion. I say God created it and they snicker at me. As if, when God created it, it couldn't possibly have resulted in a Big Bang.

By the way, I've attended, and passed, several quantum physics and quantum chemistry classes and passed them (the math made me want to puke). So don't give me that weak "ask a physicist" or "you can prove for yourself that the world is exactly 5.687345 billion years old yourself" bologna. If you want to argue with facts then let's go - but save the weak generalizations and "ask any reputable scientist" BS. I'm surrounded by BRILLIANT scientists in my career and many can rationalize both sides of the argument TOGETHER. Science and a Creator are not mutually exclusive for many many many scientists.

All you have to do is explain, rationally, where we came from and why we're hear and I'll relent and agree with you. Good luck in your task, geniuses.

 

are you making stuff up now? in science the term is "we don't know yet" not "god created it"  I don't recall anything in any religious texts explaining anything about god igniting the "big bang" as we like to call it.

why were here? humans are so full of themselves we just can't imagine existing without reason or purpose, just can't enjoy consious existence alone.

and yes just a couple years ago at the University of manchester researchers combined amino acids, proteins, etc with the right conditions in a lab to create genetic material.  I'll find more on it for you later.  I'm surprised you didn't hear about it?...But I bet you knew Snooki was pregnant. 

once again the religious argument finds the scientific horizon and says god is just beyond that, the problem is the scientific horizon keeps expanding.

I say we exist because the angle of the dangle is directly proportionate of the heat of the beat. 

Thank you! And that is in direct relation of our own ability to go out and get tattoos of butts, with butt shaped tattoos on them, right on our butts! Cuz it's cool heh heh heh...

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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It was only a few years ago (20?) that the catholic church acknowledged that the earth rotated around the sun and not the other way around.  Something science knew over 100 years ago, maybe 2K years. 

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