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I am an avid Netflix Documentary watcher, and I saw one lastnight called Religulious by Bill Maher. I know religion is a touchy subject, but hoyl smokes, does this ever bring some light to a very taboo topic. I recommend watching it.

Has anyone seen any other good ones? Street Thief is another really good one!

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Erastothenes discoverd the circumfernce of the earth, and he died in 194 BC.  So for over 2000 years

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If you don't watch it, you will end up on your own troll list. You sure get offended when someone comes after you, but you sure like to dish it out. Science is a continual process in which we are always working towards more knowledge. It is pointless to try and insult others and I on here because we do not leave everything to faith. If there is a god, I think he/she would be pleased that we are using our intellect to its fullest rather than suppressing it with blind faith.

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I never said "something from nothing". I said living or even bits of living tissue or functioning systems such as membranes, DNA, RNA, etc. have never ever been made from basic atoms and/or simple minerals no matter how much electrical sparking and prodding and soup-making 1000s of chemists have attempted. So at this point they figure it landed here on an asteroid. Of course even that theory doesn't explain where the asteroid got it from. Good grief. If science is so smart, why can' it explain the origin of even the simplest germ or bacteria?

It's science that claims that something came from nothing and it's called the Big Bang. Yep, that's what happened. A Big Bang. From out of nowhere. Of course science can't say where all energy/matter came from - just that it came in the form of a big bang.

Real insightful. Basically Big Bang is their name for creation theory in my opinion. I say God created it and they snicker at me. As if, when God created it, it couldn't possibly have resulted in a Big Bang.

By the way, I've attended, and passed, several quantum physics and quantum chemistry classes and passed them (the math made me want to puke). So don't give me that weak "ask a physicist" or "you can prove for yourself that the world is exactly 5.687345 billion years old yourself" bologna. If you want to argue with facts then let's go - but save the weak generalizations and "ask any reputable scientist" BS. I'm surrounded by BRILLIANT scientists in my career and many can rationalize both sides of the argument TOGETHER. Science and a Creator are not mutually exclusive for many many many scientists.

All you have to do is explain, rationally, where we came from and why we're hear and I'll relent and agree with you. Good luck in your task, geniuses.

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Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?

I have to disagree with your logic about how it is impossible for something to come from nothing. Talk to a physicist about how it is possible for something to arise from nothing. It is very possible and can be mathematically explained. It is also very possible that humans arose from space dust. Looking at our complicated organ and tissue systems, it is difficult to grasp, but there have been recent research at the U of M that showed how single cell organisms can form more complex organisms. http://www1.umn.edu/news/features/2012/UR_CONTENT_370424.html  This is obviously a long way from a human, but this was achieved over a short period of time in a lab. Just think what could evolve in similar conditions over billions of years (evolution). 

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At no point did I state I leave everything to faith. I tried to explain that science has only strengthened my faith. I didn't engage with my faith until out of college and with a decent science CV under my belt. I'll swap CVs with you over PM if you'd like. Doing so here seems stupid. I'm here to debate, not act like I'm better than everyone else or even God - like some of the others here.

I don't tolerate genuine personal attacks. Don't have any use for them, won't tolerate them. Go ahead - put me on your troll list, what do I care? You can come after my facts or issues - but that snookie comment was a total rookie "I'm losing the debate so I'll get personal" BS.

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If you don't watch it, you will end up on your own troll list. You sure get offended when someone comes after you, but you sure like to dish it out. Science is a continual process in which we are always working towards more knowledge. It is pointless to try and insult others and I on here because we do not leave everything to faith. If there is a god, I think he/she would be pleased that we are using our intellect to its fullest rather than suppressing it with blind faith.

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I never said "something from nothing". I said living or even bits of living tissue or functioning systems such as membranes, DNA, RNA, etc. have never ever been made from basic atoms and/or simple minerals no matter how much electrical sparking and prodding and soup-making 1000s of chemists have attempted. So at this point they figure it landed here on an asteroid. Of course even that theory doesn't explain where the asteroid got it from. Good grief. If science is so smart, why can' it explain the origin of even the simplest germ or bacteria?

It's science that claims that something came from nothing and it's called the Big Bang. Yep, that's what happened. A Big Bang. From out of nowhere. Of course science can't say where all energy/matter came from - just that it came in the form of a big bang.

Real insightful. Basically Big Bang is their name for creation theory in my opinion. I say God created it and they snicker at me. As if, when God created it, it couldn't possibly have resulted in a Big Bang.

By the way, I've attended, and passed, several quantum physics and quantum chemistry classes and passed them (the math made me want to puke). So don't give me that weak "ask a physicist" or "you can prove for yourself that the world is exactly 5.687345 billion years old yourself" bologna. If you want to argue with facts then let's go - but save the weak generalizations and "ask any reputable scientist" BS. I'm surrounded by BRILLIANT scientists in my career and many can rationalize both sides of the argument TOGETHER. Science and a Creator are not mutually exclusive for many many many scientists.

All you have to do is explain, rationally, where we came from and why we're hear and I'll relent and agree with you. Good luck in your task, geniuses.

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Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?

I have to disagree with your logic about how it is impossible for something to come from nothing. Talk to a physicist about how it is possible for something to arise from nothing. It is very possible and can be mathematically explained. It is also very possible that humans arose from space dust. Looking at our complicated organ and tissue systems, it is difficult to grasp, but there have been recent research at the U of M that showed how single cell organisms can form more complex organisms. http://www1.umn.edu/news/features/2012/UR_CONTENT_370424.html  This is obviously a long way from a human, but this was achieved over a short period of time in a lab. Just think what could evolve in similar conditions over billions of years (evolution). 

 

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 I dont wanna make light of anyones opinions or beliefs but.......


 

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 I dont wanna make light of anyones opinions or beliefs but.......


HAHA

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Thats funny. You don't want to act like you are better than me, but you would like to swap CVs. I agree that the snookie comment was a little low, but you came at me with a condescending tone with the first post I made today. I tried to make a little joke out of it and you get even more defensive. I don't have a troll list and I don't intend to create one. You're the one that said "You're now on my troll list with L. Elvis, etc. ". Haha. You better get back to polishing your CV that is loaded with quantum physics and quantum chemistry peer reviewed papers. I am very impressed!

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At no point did I state I leave everything to faith. I tried to explain that science has only strengthened my faith. I didn't engage with my faith until out of college and with a decent science CV under my belt. I'll swap CVs with you over PM if you'd like. Doing so here seems stupid. I'm here to debate, not act like I'm better than everyone else or even God - like some of the others here.

I don't tolerate genuine personal attacks. Don't have any use for them, won't tolerate them. Go ahead - put me on your troll list, what do I care? You can come after my facts or issues - but that snookie comment was a total rookie "I'm losing the debate so I'll get personal" BS.

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Go back and read again. It was multi and his snookie comment who made the troll list, not you science>religion.

Also, I simply want to establish my credibility in science so you understand I'm not BSing about my science background. Being polite, not wanting to make you feel inferior, if that's possible.

With a tag like science>religion, your position is already established. No point in debating I guess. Have a good one.

 

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Go back and read again. It was multi and his snookie comment who made the troll list, not you science>religion.

Also, I simply want to establish my credibility in science so you understand I'm not BSing about my science background. Being polite, not wanting to make you feel inferior, if that's possible.

With a tag like science>religion, your position is already established. No point in debating I guess. Have a good one.

science>religion = fargoflyfish for reference sake

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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Holy schneikes, I go work for a few hours and everyones all butt hurt.  Sorry guywhofishes, that snooki comment came off different than I intended.  I was in a hurry on lunch slappin the keyboard without the time to re-read.  I know it looks like I said "guywhofishes is dumb because he just watches jersey shore all day"  I meant it to sound more like "how could you know of any new scientific discoveries when the news is talkin about snooki all day"  Sorry again, it was a poor attempt at humor.

anyway, yeah the , nitrogen, carbon, aminos, proteins, etc etc.  emphasis on the "etc" I was blah blah blahing just to say I'll get back to you later on that subject.  and now I'm back...the closest thing I can find for you to see on that research is an episode of nova science now called "where did we come from" at 16 minutes into the episode on Netflix, I cant find the original articles & literature I read a couple years ago but it's easier & more entertaining to watch than read anyway.  If you don't have netflix I can summarize it for you, it's pretty interesting.

Where are you at on this topic anyway guy?  too much science to take the bible literally, not dumb enough to buy scientology, hopefully not dumb enough for creationism, must be in the intelligent design ballpark?

And whats a troll list?

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Apology accepted. Yeah, intelligent design area, way way too much mind-blowing amounts of stored data/instructions are needed in even the simplest living entity for it to have auto-assembled. IMO. Pure physics call for things to disperse and dissociate into chaos. Life pulls things from choas into order... that's "retarded" in a natural sense. What possible rational is there for MBs of data/instructions to fall into place to allow the very first simple cell to operate... Let alone split into two and replicate! What the heck? How could that "just happen by chance". The complexity of even the simplest cell is just too dang mind-blowing. I just can't accept it just formed itself into a functioning system with the complexity rivalong a major metro/city.

 

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This brief article explains my position pretty well. Please read, it's short.
http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/840

 

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cool, its a theory based on that very instant a chemical became functioning reproducing life.  I get the idea and understand the theory, but again it teters on the unknown.  since we don't know exactly how just yet everything else is plausible until proven otherwise.  it definetely doesn't disprove evolution by any means.

without evolution how would the billions of species that have existed and gone extinct over the last 3 billion years have not just dissapeared completely without branching off and continuously evolving into new ones.

Look at dogs, a pomeranian for example.  that pomeranian "evolved" from a wolf.  If you breed a pomeranian with a pomeranian...you get more pomeranians.  now today's dogs may have not come about by "natural" selection, but it was a selection none the less.

That famous poster of 4 or 5 figures starting with a chimp leading to upright man is an abreviation.  Many don't know there are hundreds of hominid species leading up to ourselves today and hundreds more undiscovered species to fill in the gaps.

Personally I have a hard time with intelligent design in the literal term as some like to practice their belief of it.  (1 example) If a designer be so intelligent maybe he could have taken the time to equip our hearts (the most important muscle in our body) with more than one artery to supply blood & oxygen to it.  but why would we evolve a faulty heart one might ask? because for evolution to work one only needs to reproduce to succeed, it doesn't matter if a specie lives to be a hundred years old never to die of a heart attack as long as that individual breeds & reproduces to pass on its own unique genes that specie will continue one and possibly have another specie or 2 or 6 branch off from it if there are other mtations that succeed in keeping the organism alive.

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Multi, it certainly appears your "faith" is science based, No problem, it is your choice. So why the angst over someone choosing their own manner of "faith" based in religion?

Thru out time there have been happenings science simply can not "explain".  Perhaps it is because science is incomplete,perhaps it is because there is something even more base than science.

There has been and always will be things science has not yet proven, or explained. a simple solar eclips was once thought to be a dragon consuming the sun in a battle against good & evil, but we all know today that isn't true.  I think science has gone well beyond the elementary levels of the bible itself and will continue to go further every day.  just because we don't know how something works or where it came from doesn't mean we can just credit it to invisible figures in the sky.  how much more scientific discovery will it take before people like you start running out of excuses arguments?

when the earth was proven to be round folks like yourself said the same thing, now we are discovering new planets outside our own solar system and outside our own galaxy virtualy by the minute and still the same rebuttal...it's just a theory, or science is incomplete.

When you pass from this world perhaps then and only then will you know for certain.
 

How long must one be dead before you "pass" as you like to call it.  I've been dead for a couple hours and never met any tall long haired blue eyed hippies from the middle east.

Wow multi. Sort of full of yourself and your science intellect much? You think all Christians flunked out of high school and follow Christ cuz we're ignorant of science? Afraid not. The more I learned the more stunned I was in the order and beauty of the universe and the implausibilty that we simply evolved from space dust. Like finding a fine swiss watch laying on the sidewalk and saying "gee, it must have autoassembled itself." A single microbe's complexity is like an entire warehouse of different watches all running flawlessly in concert with each other. Yep, sheer random luck that all the pieces autoassembled slowly over the eons. Riiight... Scientists have yet to make anything live from basic ingredients. Can you explain why not since you have all the answers?
 

Full of myself and "my" scientific intellect? not hardly, everything I have said can be seen checked and proven by yourself. 

did you stop paying attention to science after high school? unless your definition of living is making a swiss watch...yes we have mixed the basic ingredients under the proper conditions and created functioning genetic material.

my question to you is, what will it take? I mean how much proof does one need.  the bible itself can be disproven verse by verse, story by story all day long today in 2012, yet the religious keep forming their own beliefs of how they think it should be to suit their own needs and comfort their own fears of death and their wrongs in life.

atheism is a word to describe one who does not believe in gods, it is not a group, nor a religion on chooses, it just means we don't believe it.  I don't believe greek mythology just as you don't, but at the time, the greeks believed in it just as much so as you do Jesus today. 

mu;ti, people who are truly comfortable in their faith do not have to mock others and their faith, they simply beleive in the faith they accept.

Where have I ever talked of "any tall longhaired blue eyed hippies from the middle east?" or religious decrees of the world being flat?

One can beleive in science and STILL have faith in a higher power, perhaps you should open yourself to the possibilities that may exist outside your text books and experiments.  

Multi I'm sure you can define birth in black and white, proven scientific terms created under the "right circumstances",even after seeing thousands of calves being born, I still veiw it as the "miracle of birth" that is a result of some higher power with a greater plan than you, I ,your scientists or any religious fanatic. 

Mock me if you will.

When your science can create life itself as I witness each spring and have as well with the birthes of my kids,then can you convince me there is nothing more than "science" in our lives.
If you can lay your hand on the beating heart of your newborn child and not beleive perhaps you have been blessed with a miracle, you have an empty life indeed.

Play catch with your "functioning genetic material" or take it hunting , I'll take the miracle of my faith  I call my kids any day.

Place your faith in a scientific text if you wish, but making snide remacks regarding others faith only tends to show you to be defensive and less than sure of your own.  

I have no problem with you beleiving in science and only science, I will accept
what draws me into beleiveing there is something more.

Mock people of faith if you choose.

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ok so we have abondoned the bible and specific religions on this discussion and are going with "higher power" now, well in this case I can't argue beyond current known science and discovery so we just have to guess and make up whatever makes us happy beyond today's knowledge horizon.

By the way I wasn't mocking you or anyone else if thats how you took it.

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A pomeranian shares The VAST majority of its genes with the wolf.
http://www2.fiu.edu/~milesk/Genetics.htm

THat's how complex life is. Even a tiny change in the code results in astounding differences! Tiny tweeks are possible.

Again, please explain origin of life you can PROVE. you have EVIDENCE of, not just faith in Darwin's old story.

 

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cool, its a theory based on that very instant a chemical became functioning reproducing life.  I get the idea and understand the theory, but again it teters on the unknown.  since we don't know exactly how just yet everything else is plausible until proven otherwise.  it definetely doesn't disprove evolution by any means.

Even a long haired blue eyed mediteranian hippie?

Multi I never started out based in religion or the Bible so I don;t beleive I have abandonded it.

Can you show me where it has been "proven" a higher power or state of existance does not exist in anything more than a "theory"?

By your own admission then isn't anything "plausible"?

Multi, you clearly are a pretty intelligent guy, you do understand there is a difference between faith and religion don;t you?

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mu;ti, people who are truly comfortable in their faith do not have to mock others and their faith, they simply beleive in the faith they accept.

I would have to say that isn't what I've seen in real life and from many on this site. Muslims come to mind.

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I don't recall people of faith mocking others on buddy. Let's see some links to threads that support that claim.

 

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I don't recall people of faith mocking others on buddy. Let's see some links to threads that support that claim.

You trying to tell me you've never seen any Islam bashing on this site?

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Can you show me where it has been "proven" a higher power or state of existance does not exist in anything more than a "theory"?
 

There will never be a way to prove a higher power doesn't exist, simply because there will always be undiscovered territories that a higher power may hide.  If this is your final arguement, you win hands down.  even once we soar beyond the big bang, there will be a whole new horizon many will claim the creator is lurking behind, unable to prove or disprove.

difference in faith & religion...yes, I have faith in things, like humanity, and definetely gravity etc.


A pomeranian shares The VAST majority of its genes with the wolf.
http://www2.fiu.edu/~milesk/Genetics.htm

THat's how complex life is. Even a tiny change in the code results in astounding differences! Tiny tweeks are possible.

Again, please explain origin of life you can PROVE. you have EVIDENCE of, not just faith in Darwin's old story.

Just as you share the vast majority of your genes with one of 5 groups of humans from central Africa.  that pendulum swings both ways, every specie on earth shares the vast majority of its genes with an ancestor, and that ancestor shares its genes and on down the line.  and the opposite works as well, look at convergent evolution, two nearly identical looking species but with huge differences in DNA.  Just because the pomeranian shares family DNA with a wolf doesn't mean its a wolf, no matter how many pomeranians you breed together none of them will ever give birth to a wolf.

and a tiny change in the code over and over again for three billion years in millions of different directions and developing species will get you some pretty radical looking differences.  That pomeranian came about in a hundred years or so, give it a thousand more or a million, throw a bulldog into the mix the possibilities are endless. evolution isn't one fish growing feet while no one is looking, its generation after generation of subtle changes.  some work, some don't, the ones that work go on to reproduce passing their new trait along the chain.

It's not "faith" in darwins story, I've seen it work, its all around us every day.  you just have to understand it.

heres a cool video, proof of nothing, just a cool video.

www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/evolution/origins-life.html

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I see God's work all around me too. You just have to understand it. ;)

I'll patiently wait for man to create life from lifeless planet starter ingredients. Until then, you really have to admit you don't know how it could have started and don't have an answer. Why is it science can't do that, yet it claims it happened on it's own in the primordial soup on earth? Talk about fantasy and tall tales. You believe in something science has tried to prove for over a century and has gotten no where, even with all we know, can't create a simple life ingredient, let alone life. Epic fail of a cornerstone of evolution, no doubt about it.

 

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I don't want to debate the merits of faith and believing in a higher power. I am pretty much a science guy. But do have faith in something bigger than me. Having said that... I think those who question how it would have been possible for life to develop by chance forget just how vast and complex the primordial soup was and have a tough time grasping just how long a billion years is. A billion years is hard for the human mind to wrap its mind around. Just because scientists havent been able to find the right combination in a couple of decades, does not mean it couldn't have happened by chance over the course of a billion years in earths primordial oceans.

Born to hunt and fish... Forced to work!

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guywhofishes, I think scientists who treat the theory of evolution as certain are very poor scientists.  If they work in that field and want to search great.  However, what bothers me is this:  if you loose your car keys and search for five minutes then find them do you keep searching?  Of course not you would not be very bright to do so.  That is what science is supposed to do, keep searching for answers.  The problem is I know many scientists that are so sure of evolution that they think it's a waste of money to look for any other answers.  That's a poor scientist.

If you read some of the books I suggested you will find that evolving even a single cell animal has about the same chance as expecting a Ferrari to appear in your living room.  Keys in the ignition.  You will only understand that when you understand the theory of irreversible complexity.

I have seen genetic anomalies within species.  I have never seen it retained into another generation, nor give the individual advantage within any environment.   I have often seen them removed from the gene pool by starvation or predation.  One of my fellow scientists like to say more chlorine more chlorine the gene pool is contaminated.  I know that's old, but still humorous.

Neither evolution or religion will be proven.  Both require faith.  I personally find it interesting that much of the Bible is backed up by ancient secular historians.  Search and you will find that information.  I provided some authors in past posts.

Oh, just as a point of interest to believers only, I don't want to bother the rest of you.  Are you familiar with some of the more liberal seminaries that claim Isaiah had to be written after the birth of Christ?  Well two years ago they discovered older scrolls written by Isaiah that predate what we had by I think 1300 years.  Blows those theologians out of the ball park.

For those who have studied religion for months, or even a couple of years, it takes much longer.  Theologians witha  PhD. spend their lives on one book.

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 Wow, thread started out about documentaries on NETFLIX and now is about religion?  If you want a good Documentary try 'Waiting for SuperMan'.... one of the best I have seen.

As far as religion..... I do not follow any organized religion.  But who could spend a day on the Missouri River, or in a ND duck slough, or in the ND badlands chasing Mule Deer and not ask themselves how is everything so Perfect?  So for all you science guys, explain why this only exists here.... From Honey bees to apple trees, everything in nature on this planet is absolutely perfect - no where else that we have found, so in the interim I will put my faith in the lord on my own terms without human interpretation.

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Can you show me where it has been "proven" a higher power or state of existance does not exist in anything more than a "theory"?
 

There will never be a way to prove a higher power doesn't exist, simply because there will always be undiscovered territories that a higher power may hide.  If this is your final arguement, you win hands down.  even once we soar beyond the big bang, there will be a whole new horizon many will claim the creator is lurking behind, unable to prove or disprove.

difference in faith & religion...yes, I have faith in things, like humanity, and definetely gravity etc.

 

Multi, I can guarantee you there are no provens when it comes to humanity, history has proven this, so it appears you have faith in something as questionable as what you beleive religion is.

And it seems you do understand faith, now simply understand every person has their own meansof determining what they place their faith in and perhaps you will begin to understand religion.

As I said at the start, I am not a particularily religious person ( actually for some of the reasons listed here), but I have a very strong faith so I understand how those that chose to develope their faith based in religion have as strong a beleif in their religion as you do in science. 

Who is right and who is wrong in an absolute relm? WAY to big a question for me to know, I only know what I beleive in..

Faith.  

With out it, what drives us?  

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If I evolved from a monkey, then why do we still have monkeys?
Some of us where lucky enough to evolve and other monkeys just didnt?
How about now, can a monkey mate with a human?

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Yuck!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanzee

johnr Said:
If I evolved from a monkey, then why do we still have monkeys?
Some of us where lucky enough to evolve and other monkeys just didnt?
How about now, can a monkey mate with a human?

 

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 The humanzee (also known as the Chuman or Manpanzee)

Hahahaha

 

 "I get what you're saying:  Like a sausage replica featuring a Polander holding a sacred illumination device." 

 

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