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I am an avid Netflix Documentary watcher, and I saw one lastnight called Religulious by Bill Maher. I know religion is a touchy subject, but hoyl smokes, does this ever bring some light to a very taboo topic. I recommend watching it.

Has anyone seen any other good ones? Street Thief is another really good one!

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mauser let your stupid personal vendetta go.... starting to look like a tool

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Science>religion, I watched the video link you posted. First, as I stated earlier, Jesus wasn’t born on Dec 25, he was born in the spring, April –May time. Second. We don’t know how many “wise” men or magi from the east came to see Jesus at his birth, the bible only says they brought three gifts so may think there was three of them because of that, so the stars lining up isn't accurate.

As far as I can find, crucifixion only goes back to the 6th century BC so to claim someone crucified 3,000 BC is a stretch. I haven’t heard of these others being born on Dec 25 or them being crucified so I’ll have to leave it at that for now.   

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Neither of us can prove our point.  I hope I made that  point a long time back.  That's why both require faith.

Faith is a word that isn't defined very well. It can be used in different contexts. It doesn't require faith not to believe in god. If you are talking about faith in science, than that really isn't faith, because science relies on evidence. Science isn't about proof, it is about evidence to support or disprove a claim. There are a lot of different definitions of  faith

2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence

1. strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence

Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

belief that is not based on proof

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a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions
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a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
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: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

 

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Good morning BTR.

belief that is not based on proof

There is the one I was thinking of.  I wasn't applying it to all science, but rather only to theory.

I should also say I don't disrespect science.   I would never have spent my carrier in science if I did.  I just am not going to tell people we scientists have answers that we don't.  I think in the end that is the best way to keep scientific integrity.  In the past we have told them we know something only to find later that we were wrong.  We are wrong when we do that because we blow our integrity with the general public.   We may have blown our integrity again with global warming.  Science is a serious thing and I think we owe it to our fellow scientists and to the profession not to go around blowing steam when we can not prove something.

Opinions are great, but if your a scientist don't make the rest of us look stupid by saying you can prove something that you can not.  There are hundreds if not thousands of scientists out there that wish they could prove evolution.   If they could it would make world news.  Just think we may be talking to some famous people right here on fishingbuddy.  

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How about Dakota the Dinosaur Mummy found in North Dakota

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071203-dino-mummy.html

“Preliminary studies of the 67-million-year-old hadrosaur, named Dakota, are already altering theories of what the ancient creatures' skin looked like and how quickly they moved, project researchers say”

Science can’t be too locked in cause one discovery, like this one, and a lot of “theories” change. 

This one discovery changes the theory of the look, the length, the muscle mass, the speed they traveled and the speed of which mummification, or mineralization takes place. 

“The hadrosaur, or duck-billed dinosaur, was discovered in 1999 by then-teenage paleontologist Tyler Lyson on his family's North Dakota property.” 

This is fairly new in terms of dinosaur findings.   

I can only think that someday they will find something to convince them they are not millions of years old.  One discovery changes the thinking in at least 5 areas of a dinosaur, wonder if they will be able to admit it when they find something showing they are not millions of years old?

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this is just getting crazy.  faith is faith.  by definition it is based on belief w/ little or no evidence.  have it if you wish... i do myself.  don't have it if you don't want to.  that's a personal choice.  i understand where the believers are coming from when they say they don't want someone bashing their faith.  that's fine.  but, this continual attempt by the believers to discredit science because of a few holes here and there are laughable.  like has been said... there is a ton of legitimate science behind the theory of evolution, the history of our universe and the history of our earth.  just because they find a dinosaur fossil that

"changes the theory of the look, the length, the muscle mass, the speed they traveled and the speed of which mummification, or mineralization takes place."

doesn't mean that the science behind evolution isn't sound, that the earth is now not bilions of years old, or that the theory of evolution now falls into the same unprovable category as faith in one's religion.  have faith.  but, please don't try to argue that science and faith are in the same category as far as "provability" (if that is a word) goes. 

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espringer, I understand what your saying, but I resist evolution from the position of science to maintain credibility of science.   If fall scientists did that we would have more trust and we wouldn't see these debates on global warming etc.   I believe in everything in correct context.

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Plainsman - most people DO believe that there was a man named Jesus, who tried his best to teach a lot of good things.  Not much question, there in my mind.   But a hybrid of half human/halfGod!?!   Hardly.  My scientific minds runs into a brick wall there!  Also the died and came back to life again thing!  
That isn't to say that what he preached was not by and large pretty datrned good stuff! Its  too bad humans didn't ever learn any of it, especially so many self called devout Christians nowadays.   The best he preached in my mind is  the Golden Rule though the beatitudes and a lot of his flowery speech sure has merit, once I toss out the mystical magic stuff.!   Wish more people would follow some of these teachings! 
Ten commandments - once again, sent from GOD?  Nope IMHO - but I've always maintained that no matter what religion if any you care to follow, the important ones don't kill, cheat, chase your neighbors wife, lie, steal, etc.  -  leave out the 'God" ones if you like.    At any rate there is nothing wrong with ethics to live by  'commandments', anyway!"  No argument there.   A good ethical way to follow during your life.
When the bible was written/rewritte/with its highly selected highly rewritten passages, it was necessary to counter the Pagan beliefs of the time, and to do that there had to be a lot of 'miracles' and plenty fo mystical and metaphysical nonsense.  A sign of the times 1700 years ago.  When Mohammed appeared centuries later, he put his own nonsense in the Koran, just like the Christians.  Mormonism is a recent thing, a lot of it coming to life in the early to mid 1800's. 
My point is -  If someone came up with a new religion in 2012 with this type of magic built in, you'd be laughed out of the country!  Everyone here on FBO knows it, too.
What gets me is that some people actually still  believe the miraculous stuff as being literally true.  IMHO not necessary to take the good stuff out of any religion.  Boiled down they are all pretty well the same basis.
What I personally do is seperate  the good stuff from the silly, and try to live by the good stuff and disbelieve the nonsense. Might be cafeteria religion, but to me it sure beats trying to believe the 300 CE nonsense that was required then, but not now.

Multi and others - to me a lot of you guys sound more like Agnostics or Secular Humanists rather than Aethiests.  Big difference!   Its interesting that a lot of the founding fathers of our country  would nowadays be categorized as secular humanists or deists, but NOT necessarily Christian.   Probably explains their absolute wall they tried to erect between Church and State.  Off topic but I wish someone would tell Santorum that!   

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This one discovery changes the theory of the look, the length, the muscle mass, the speed they traveled and the speed of which mummification, or mineralization takes place.

what theory did it "change"?  that discovery gave us a first look at one specie of dinosaur skin,  so that didn't change anything.  it didn't change current knowledge of mummification and mineralization because there is no constant speed as to which either happen.  too many variables affect how fast those processes take place, type of minnerals, amount of pressure, moisture content, temperatue, etc.

that discovery gave us more information, it didn't take any away.

as far as when these large reptile like animals died, there is too much evidence pointing to the mass extinction that happened 65 million years ago.  one new discovery wouldn't be nearly enough to even make us question when that event happened.  all the data points to 65 million years ago.  The iridium layer around the globe from a large asteroid, the multiple dating techniques that put that layer at 65 million years.  the geological processes and layers between our feet and the KT boundary that all add up to 65 million years, the dating of all the fossils below that iridium layer (KT boundary) the list goes on and on.

Thats cool beans if you want to believe one 2000 year old book vs. the millions written since based on evidence and logic, but don't take an account of a real scientific discovery and its real data and try saying that it changed the way we thought this happened, and since scientists have been wrong before that means its all just bogus nonsense.  science admits when its wrong and makes the proper changes in the data.

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Anyone have any more documentary suggestions?   When the weather is rotten I usually try to do a one hour program on the exercise bike in front ot he downstairs boob tube.  
Otherwise when the weather is good I'm forced to go and kill some walleyes.  I assume the not kill commandment doen't apply to walleyes,  - Jesus was quite fisherman so if I tell my wife I'm just trying to emulate HIM!   Wonder if that'll  work?
 I hope none of us would ever break the "NOT LIE" commandment when we tell others about our latest fishing adventures......

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Anyone have any more documentary suggestions?   When the weather is rotten I usually try to do a one hour program on the exercise bike in front ot he downstairs boob tube.  
Otherwise when the weather is good I'm forced to go and kill some walleyes.  I assume the not kill commandment doen't apply to walleyes,  - Jesus was quite fisherman so if I tell my wife I'm just trying to emulate HIM!   Wonder if that'll  work?
 I hope none of us would ever break the "NOT LIE" commandment when we tell others about our latest fishing adventures......

They might not be documentaries exactly but I love the Planet Earth series. I got them on DVD.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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and the new frozen planet series is quite sweet too.  but, be aware... some of you might think there is a hidden agenda in them to promote the "theory" of global warming.

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No scientific body disputes human caused climate change.

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and the new frozen planet series is quite sweet too.  but, be aware... some of you might think there is a hidden agenda in them to promote the "theory" of global warming.
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And.... CRACK! Goes a big can of worms... Lol.

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No scientific body disputes human caused climate change.

  let her rip! 

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 are already altering theories 

not my words, it is thiers. 

here is another one for you...

Discovery of a Living "Dinosaur"
In 1994 a bizarre-looking tree previously known only from 120 million-year-old fossil leaves was discovered alive and well in a rugged gorge west of Sydney, Australia.

The discovery was the botanical equivalent of finding a dinosaur alive today.

Because the pines have been isolated for millions of years, they provide a rare opportunity for scientists. Research has revealed that the pines are all genetically identical, a condition previously unknown among sexually reproducing organisms. Scientists are being forced to rethink genetic theory as a consequence.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/03/0305_030305_wollemipine.html

 

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multi said:

"then of course (not quite so cut & dry) we have carbon dating of various fossilized lifeforms layered throughout the earths crust that add up to the timeline of 4.5 billion years."

 

Carbon-14 is radioactive, with a half-life of about 5,700 years.

Thus to claim it is good for 4.5 mil is not accurate.  you may be albe to go 100,000 to 200,000 years at best with carbon 14.

 

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Yep - never EVER argue with a consensus.



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No scientific body disputes human caused climate change.
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and the new frozen planet series is quite sweet too.  but, be aware... some of you might think there is a hidden agenda in them to promote the "theory" of global warming.

 

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LOL

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Science once spoke of using leeches to bleed out the bad juju too.

Neat

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Yes, 99/100 barbers agreed leeches were the shizzle... so it had to be effective. Not?

 

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this is just getting crazy.  faith is faith.  by definition it is based on belief w/ little or no evidence.  have it if you wish... i do myself.  don't have it if you don't want to.  that's a personal choice.  i understand where the believers are coming from when they say they don't want someone bashing their faith.  that's fine.  but, this continual attempt by the believers to discredit science because of a few holes here and there are laughable. 
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I can only speak for myself in that I beleive a great deal of what science brings forth and yet disbeleive some of the agenda based "science" that exists out there.

So for those that wonder how someone can claim one religion is right and the other is wrong, how do you explain the "scientific" global warming discussion.

But why the "contineual attempt by the "non" beleivers to discredit faith or religion is curious to me.
 
Most have not answered why it is so important to them  that everyone accept their beliefs.

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multi said:

"then of course (not quite so cut & dry) we have carbon dating of various fossilized lifeforms layered throughout the earths crust that add up to the timeline of 4.5 billion years."

 

Carbon-14 is radioactive, with a half-life of about 5,700 years.

Thus to claim it is good for 4.5 mil is not accurate.  you may be albe to go 100,000 to 200,000 years at best with carbon 14.

Uranium and potassium isotope analysis in addition to analyzing surrounding materials are used to date things as old as dinosaurs.

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Science once spoke of using leeches to bleed out the bad juju too.

Modern medicine starts approx in the late 19th century. Bloodletting ends around the same time. Are ya dumb or are ya dumb?

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Yep - never EVER argue with a consensus.

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Surveys = science, right? Advertising by cigarette companies = science? Judas you people are dumb.

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Jarudy Said:

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multi said:

"then of course (not quite so cut & dry) we have carbon dating of various fossilized lifeforms layered throughout the earths crust that add up to the timeline of 4.5 billion years."

 

Carbon-14 is radioactive, with a half-life of about 5,700 years.

Thus to claim it is good for 4.5 mil is not accurate.  you may be albe to go 100,000 to 200,000 years at best with carbon 14.

Uranium and potassium isotope analysis in addition to analyzing surrounding materials are used to date things as old as dinosaurs.

um yeah, crfisherman kinda missed the point and took what I said in that one paragraph out of context.  I know carbon 14 dating doesn't work to 4.5 billion years.  but the things we date with carbon dating fit into and correlate with their place in the timeline of our planets history of 4.5 billion  years.

Crfisherman, its ok, I'm not trying to change your belief in the jewish zombie brought forth by asexual reproduction 2,000 years ago.

if the religious believers have so much faith, why argue with me? why keep searching for flaws in science?  can't you just take comfort knowing I am doomed to eternal damnation burning in hell for all of eternity after I die.

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Science once spoke of using leeches to bleed out the bad juju too.

so how do I get rid of bad juju?  cause that crap has been messing up my fishing since the new year.  I just can't get on the fish, my game is so far off and I blame it on the juju.

It's funny, even a stone cold atheist as myself is superstitious when it comes to fishing.

 

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Jarudy is the definition of arrogance. I suppose getting away with posts about male sex organs and shoving things down children's throats - without repercussion - emboldens arrogant geniuses like Jarudy - the All Knowing pre-med brainiac.

 

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 The analogy fits well in my opinion. You got proved wrong while spreading misconceptions so instead of admitting it you so you get mad. I was never mad, just stopping the madness. From one man to another, lighten up and have a good day.

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Jarudy is the definition of arrogance. I suppose getting away with posts about shoving male sex organs down children's throats without repercussion emboldens arrogant geniuses like Jarudy the All Knowing pre-med stud.
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Science once spoke of using leeches to bleed out the bad juju too.

Modern medicine starts approx in the late 19th century. Bloodletting ends around the same time. Are ya dumb or are ya dumb?

Leeches are still used today in modern hospitals (even locally). Not for bloodletting to get rid of bad juju, but used nonetheless. Maggots are also still used.

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Judas, Jarudy is dumb. XD

 

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Frontal lobotomies were a Nobel Prize winning, mainstream procedure in the 1940s. I think the 1940s counts as modern medicine... Not?

Let the lobotomy jokes flow, but remember, they weren't advertisements, they were an accepted form of medicine/science, by people who knew more than the simple country hicks who questioned them. Gee...

 

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"Cracking Your Genetic Code" on NOVA right now - PBS.  Good one. 

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No seriously, how do I get rid of bad juju?  My last 5 fishing trips have sucked, I'll try anything....

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No seriously, how do I get rid of bad juju?  My last 5 fishing trips have sucked, I'll try anything....

Try the confession booth at a Catholic Church??

 

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No seriously, how do I get rid of bad juju?  My last 5 fishing trips have sucked, I'll try anything....

Try the confession booth at a Catholic Church??

I thought I was too old for that?

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if the religious believers have so much faith, why argue with me? why keep searching for flaws in science?  can't you just take comfort knowing I am doomed to eternal damnation burning in hell for all of eternity after I die.

 

No I can't take comfort in that. 

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 Jarudy did the parity shown in some of these posts fly right over your enlarged cranium? The cig advertisement were meant show ill lfated consenus. Although a few decades ago physicians did prescribe cigs fr preg. woman to "calm" their nerves. lol

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 Jarudy did the parity shown in some of these posts fly right over your enlarged cranium? The cig advertisement were meant show ill lfated consenus. Although a few decades ago physicians did prescribe cigs fr preg. woman to "calm" their nerves. lol

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mauserG33-40 Said:

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No seriously, how do I get rid of bad juju?  My last 5 fishing trips have sucked, I'll try anything....

Try the confession booth at a Catholic Church??

I thought I was too old for that?

Now that was good lmao,  

 

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multi-species-angler Said:

mauserG33-40 Said:

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No seriously, how do I get rid of bad juju?  My last 5 fishing trips have sucked, I'll try anything....

Try the confession booth at a Catholic Church??

I thought I was too old for that?

Now that was good lmao,  

 

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However, it can get a little frustrating when scientific proof is presented and it is disputed because of what some religion says.

I guess I have a foot in both worlds.  The world of being a Christian and 36 years working in biology.  I know I will never convince anyone from my Christian standpoint so my choice was to show the weakness of the scientific "proof".  Try to understand there is  no proof or we would be talking about the law of evolution, not the theory of evolution.  Often those of the scientific persuasion get angry when you drop that on them, but it is the truth.
So the fact is if you choose to believe evolution that requires as much or more faith than for me to believe in Jesus.   I have the Bible that says he existed.  I have the Koran that I don't believe, but it attests to the life of Jesus it just thinks he was a profit.  I also have secular history.  So I guess if you t believe secular history but don't believe there was a man named Jesus you perhaps then don't believe there was a man named George Washington.

Often those of the scientific persuasion get angry when you drop that on them

I wonder if it isn't that they get angry, rather just frustrated at the fact that you seem to have scientific law and theory mixed up. People seem to assume scientific theories are just guesses, that really isn't the case. Theories don't become laws. You can't prove a theory to the point where it becomes a law. They are two different things. Laws describe, theories explain. Law is the the foundation, theory is the end result.  There is the law of gravity and the theory of gravity. The law describes gravity, while the theory explains it. Science and theory are supported by evidence, faith, not so much.

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Plainsman Said:  ...So the fact is if you choose to believe evolution that requires as much or more faith than for me to believe in Jesus...  

its statements like this that are getting the nonbelievers so frustrated.  i am not so sure they are trying to "push their beliefs" or non beliefs on anyone in this debate anymore than the believers are trying to do the same.  but, plainsman... you have continued to mention your scientific background in biology throughout this debate... and then you follow it up w/ statements like the one above.  there is nothing you can say that will make most of us believe that believing in evolution "requires as much or more faith than for me (or you) to believe in Jesus".  that is patently absurd.  as a biologist, you should know that.  try saying that in a room of your biologist friends and see what the response is.  i know what the response would be if i was in a room w/ my geologist counterparts... regardless of their faith. 

maybe you can argue that the fact that Jesus did walk this earth is on the same level as evolution when it comes to provability.  but, even that is a stretch.  but, u lose credibility, in my eyes anyway, when you say that believing in evolution takes more "faith" than believing in Jesus... especially if you mean believing in the fact that Jesus was/is God. 

we have the bible... which, at best, is first hand accounts from eye witnesses who walked the earth the same time as him.  that is a book that is 2K years old.  if a person tried to enter it into evidence in a court of law to prove what is in the book... ie... Jesus walked on water, rose from the dead, turned water into wine, fed 5000 w/ a few fish and a loaf of bread, cured the sick, was born of a virgin, etc... you would have a tough row to hoe and would likely be laughed out of the courtroom.  on the other hand, the evidence for evolution is all around us.  we have entire museums and libraries on the subject all which can point us to actual physical evidence that we can look at and touch w/ our own eyes and hands. 

the two are on completely different playing fields.  your faith in Jesus Christ is grounded in just that... Faith!... its basis in "fact" is no more sound than the faith that moslems, mormans, jews, islamists, budhists, and even those wacky scientologists etc... have.  to say that evolution's basis in fact is less than any of the above is simply wrong.  have your faith please.  but, as a scientists... try not to equate your faith w/ science when it comes to which is more provable or requires more "faith".

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I thought I was going to be done with this thread, but I found a great scientist to put all of the evolution talk to rest. Scroll down a bit and see what professor Giraffenstiein has to say about the whole matter

http://objectiveministries.org/kidz/

Feel free to scroll through some of the other stuff on the site. It is actually pretty entertaining.

I have a bad feeling that whenever a lesbian looks at me they think “That’s why I’m not a heterosexual”. -George Costanza

I was in the pool! I was in the pool! You don’t understand! There was shrinkage!   -George Costanza

You know if you take everything I’ve ever done in my entire life and condense it down into one day, it looks decent. -George Costanza

Don’t insult me, my friend. Remember who you’re talking to. No one’s a bigger idiot than me. -George Costanza

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Also make sure to note the spiritual safety tip about what to do when encountering an atheist...

I have a bad feeling that whenever a lesbian looks at me they think “That’s why I’m not a heterosexual”. -George Costanza

I was in the pool! I was in the pool! You don’t understand! There was shrinkage!   -George Costanza

You know if you take everything I’ve ever done in my entire life and condense it down into one day, it looks decent. -George Costanza

Don’t insult me, my friend. Remember who you’re talking to. No one’s a bigger idiot than me. -George Costanza

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multi-species-angler Said:

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Science once spoke of using leeches to bleed out the bad juju too.

so how do I get rid of bad juju?  cause that crap has been messing up my fishing since the new year.  I just can't get on the fish, my game is so far off and I blame it on the juju.

It's funny, even a stone cold atheist as myself is superstitious when it comes to fishing.

 

I sure hope that I dont have it on Sat. as I am going after some missouri pigs. Just to make sure I am getting a box of leeches, it cant hurt my chances.

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I see no reason that my Christian faith and evolution can't co-exist.  I think God gave us brains to think for ourselves and understand fact from fiction or others interpretations.  When one reads the bible there's a lot of things that contradict themselves and to think everything was created the way it is in seven days  based on our 24 hour day to me is one of the things I don't really believe.  Seven of "God's" days maybe, but not necessarily our 24 hour day.  I also don't believe that you have to be a "Catholic" to go to heaven.  Most of us have our religion based on whom we were born too and how we were raised.  To think someone of a different faith who lives a good life doesn't stand a chance to me is foolish.  I think all religions really believe in the same God.  It's just the interpretations by different people over thousands of years that are different.  And anyone who thinks it's ok or preaches to others that it's ok to kill a person who doesn't believe in God "their" way I believe is going to be in for a HUGE surprise when their day finally comes.  And while those who use evolution as a reason to not believe in God, to me they seem to forget that it all had to start somehow.

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Jarudy Said:

johnr Said:
Science once spoke of using leeches to bleed out the bad juju too.

Modern medicine starts approx in the late 19th century. Bloodletting ends around the same time. Are ya dumb or are ya dumb?

Really, now its name calling for making a true statement.
I am just as dumb as the next guy I guess.
However it takes an enlightened Democrat to point out my humor as not being quite up to par for the bold masses

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I consider faith to be a lot like love. You know it, you feel it, you can observe its effect on people and your life  -  But you can't measure them or scientifically prove either exists. Yet some argue that one is just a silly fantasy people choose to believe in, while the other is "real", valid, and most certainly exists.

Now I'm sure that the "real" scientists here will argue that love is simply the "warm and fuzzy" chemicals our body makes that cause what we know as love to register in the brain and that they  ARE measurable - therefore love is easily explained and is "real".

But for some reason, some of us normally cool/calculating scientists have another love in our hearts for the spiritual part of our being and our maker. We truly do feel it  in our hearts/brains.

But we're branded as coo coos and unwashed ignorant neanderthals by a few elites.

Seems a bit subjective to me. Believe in YOUR kind of love, but ridicule another's.

 

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maybe you can argue that the fact that Jesus did walk this earth is on the same level as evolution when it comes to provability.

Something like that.  I guess what I am really saying is that anything you believe, but can not prove requires faith.  Faith in a biologist, faith in the reputation of a good geologist, faith in your abilities, faith in God, etc.

I think someone said I have theory and law mixed up.  I don't think so.  I think first you have theory, then you use some type of proof.  If you have proof to back up theory then you have a scientific law.  I have a theory about gravity (and biology) that if I jump my old fragile carcass off the roof of my house I will move rapidly towards the earth and bust my dumb behind.

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