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I am an avid Netflix Documentary watcher, and I saw one lastnight called Religulious by Bill Maher. I know religion is a touchy subject, but hoyl smokes, does this ever bring some light to a very taboo topic. I recommend watching it.

Has anyone seen any other good ones? Street Thief is another really good one!

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Those are just unproven theories, so I'm gonna make up my own beliefs....sounds logical

Lets imagine now that there is a holy creator, an all mighty being of sorts.  do any of you think for one second that he has put you (bob johnson of 2319 apple tree lane) in its thought processes.  are we so self centered like Tebow to pray to this almighty to let him win his football game, to have "faith" in he, so we get a reserved seat just for us next to the all mighty in the after life?

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Wouldn't everything in our solar sytem/ galaxy be traveling at the same speed through the abyss there by affecting all things equally causing similar findings?

Maybe I should right a paper!! lol

 

No, everything travels at different speeds according to different bodies.  for example our moon travels at a different speed than the earth, so a clock identical to one on earth would track time slower or faster just as the same clock placed on an asteroid or the sun or a comet.  Even on the whole of the "abyss" as you call it, objects are expanding away from eachother at different rates and speeds.

even if this did have an effect on radioactive decay, it wouldn't be great enough to shift the data by a billion years, and probably not even a thousand. 

And if your last statement was true, then its affect on dating techniques and radioactive decay wouldn't matter because it would be constant and all the data from the different methods would still read the same equal results.

MSA you missed my point. I understand that objects within a giving gravitational field can and do move at different rates of speed, but I was referring to the expansion theories that state that all objects in the universe are moving outward at an incredible rate of speed as per the Big Bang Theory.

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Age "determination" (as you put it) of rocks correlates with the other "determinations" allowing scientists to hypothesize that our earth is 4.5 bilion years old.

There you go.  When things are theory or simply hypothesis we can all be wrong.  When I want to solve ecological problems and form a hypothesis I do it with data I have collected myself or data someone else has collected following the protocol I or a supervisor have established.  Even then things are often not clear and you hope a statistical analysis will give you a better than 95% confidence level.

Then we get to faith.  I doubt many of you have looked as close as you think.  Have you read any of the secular historians I recommended.  I recommended secular because your language indicates very deep scepticism of anything religious.  You will find that these ancient historians support the Bible.  Surprisingly I assume for many is the fact that the Koran supports much of the Bible.  I think  if you look at science it supports some of the Bible.  I don't understand how the story of Noah could be pulled off, but it correlates with the geneticist findings of the "great divergence" within our past.  From great diversity to a crash and then a reemergence, but we are genetically less diverse today than we were a few thousand years ago. 

I'm not trying to convince you to go to church with me tomorrow, but like gst I am mystified at your desire to destroy someone else's faith.  Like I mentioned I often experience this and it's like the vegan who can not leave me in peace as I enjoy a ribeye.

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Age "determination" (as you put it) of rocks correlates with the other "determinations" allowing scientists to hypothesize that our earth is 4.5 bilion years old.

There you go.  When things are theory or simply hypothesis we can all be wrong.  When I want to solve ecological problems and form a hypothesis I do it with data I have collected myself or data someone else has collected following the protocol I or a supervisor have established.  Even then things are often not clear and you hope a statistical analysis will give you a better than 95% confidence level.

Then we get to faith.  I doubt many of you have looked as close as you think.  Have you read any of the secular historians I recommended.  I recommended secular because your language indicates very deep scepticism of anything religious.  You will find that these ancient historians support the Bible.  Surprisingly I assume for many is the fact that the Koran supports much of the Bible.  I think  if you look at science it supports some of the Bible.  I don't understand how the story of Noah could be pulled off, but it correlates with the geneticist findings of the "great divergence" within our past.  From great diversity to a crash and then a reemergence, but we are genetically less diverse today than we were a few thousand years ago. 

I'm not trying to convince you to go to church with me tomorrow, but like gst I am mystified at your desire to destroy someone else's faith.  Like I mentioned I often experience this and it's like the vegan who can not leave me in peace as I enjoy a ribeye.

Religion is like a penis, be proud you have one, but dont wave it around in public and sure the f*** dont shove it down my child's throat.

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Age "determination" (as you put it) of rocks correlates with the other "determinations" allowing scientists to hypothesize that our earth is 4.5 bilion years old.

There you go.  When things are theory or simply hypothesis we can all be wrong.  When I want to solve ecological problems and form a hypothesis I do it with data I have collected myself or data someone else has collected following the protocol I or a supervisor have established.  Even then things are often not clear and you hope a statistical analysis will give you a better than 95% confidence level.

Then we get to faith.  I doubt many of you have looked as close as you think.  Have you read any of the secular historians I recommended.  I recommended secular because your language indicates very deep scepticism of anything religious.  You will find that these ancient historians support the Bible.  Surprisingly I assume for many is the fact that the Koran supports much of the Bible.  I think  if you look at science it supports some of the Bible.  I don't understand how the story of Noah could be pulled off, but it correlates with the geneticist findings of the "great divergence" within our past.  From great diversity to a crash and then a reemergence, but we are genetically less diverse today than we were a few thousand years ago. 

I'm not trying to convince you to go to church with me tomorrow, but like gst I am mystified at your desire to destroy someone else's faith.  Like I mentioned I often experience this and it's like the vegan who can not leave me in peace as I enjoy a ribeye.

Religion is like a penis, be proud you have one, but dont wave it around in public and sure the f*** dont shove it down my child's throat.

YIKES!!! Same could be said about arrogant attitudes. LOL

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Ok guys I've said about all I can, it's just getting way too cryptic and "what if" and its impossible to debate against "yeah, but thats just a theory", just as I said before, we cannot prove the universe is not ruled by carebears.

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Age "determination" (as you put it) of rocks correlates with the other "determinations" allowing scientists to hypothesize that our earth is 4.5 bilion years old.

There you go.  When things are theory or simply hypothesis we can all be wrong.  When I want to solve ecological problems and form a hypothesis I do it with data I have collected myself or data someone else has collected following the protocol I or a supervisor have established.  Even then things are often not clear and you hope a statistical analysis will give you a better than 95% confidence level.

Then we get to faith.  I doubt many of you have looked as close as you think.  Have you read any of the secular historians I recommended.  I recommended secular because your language indicates very deep scepticism of anything religious.  You will find that these ancient historians support the Bible.  Surprisingly I assume for many is the fact that the Koran supports much of the Bible.  I think  if you look at science it supports some of the Bible.  I don't understand how the story of Noah could be pulled off, but it correlates with the geneticist findings of the "great divergence" within our past.  From great diversity to a crash and then a reemergence, but we are genetically less diverse today than we were a few thousand years ago. 

I'm not trying to convince you to go to church with me tomorrow, but like gst I am mystified at your desire to destroy someone else's faith.  Like I mentioned I often experience this and it's like the vegan who can not leave me in peace as I enjoy a ribeye.

Religion is like a penis, be proud you have one, but dont wave it around in public and sure the f*** dont shove it down my child's throat.

Wow, I'm sorry if my words led to that vulgarity.  I am not angry, and I certainly hope my words don't spark anger in others.   The most important point I am trying to make is that we don't know as much as we think we do.   Now I have added that science and the Bible may have some connections.   I don't know how, but one day we may all see this the same.  I will readily admit I have a lot more questions than answers. My 63 years experience has taught me that often those who think they know the most are often wrong the most often.  Sometimes I have had to learn that the hard way and eat a little humble pie.

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Wow, up to 10 pages!  I can imagine what much of the thread has turned into, so I'll be honest and say I have not read beyond page 1. 

Anyhow, a documentary that was very interesting (and sad) to me was Waco: Rules of Engagement.  It really shed a new light on what really happened in that situation.

Another PHENOMENAL documentary is called Michael & Me.  It is a response to Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine".  It is tremendous and truly shows how horrendous gun control is and how wonderful gun ownership is.

There was another one I watched on Ruby Ridge that was really good, but I cannot recall the name of it.

-Justin

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Jarudy Said:

Plainsman Said:

Age "determination" (as you put it) of rocks correlates with the other "determinations" allowing scientists to hypothesize that our earth is 4.5 bilion years old.

There you go.  When things are theory or simply hypothesis we can all be wrong.  When I want to solve ecological problems and form a hypothesis I do it with data I have collected myself or data someone else has collected following the protocol I or a supervisor have established.  Even then things are often not clear and you hope a statistical analysis will give you a better than 95% confidence level.

Then we get to faith.  I doubt many of you have looked as close as you think.  Have you read any of the secular historians I recommended.  I recommended secular because your language indicates very deep scepticism of anything religious.  You will find that these ancient historians support the Bible.  Surprisingly I assume for many is the fact that the Koran supports much of the Bible.  I think  if you look at science it supports some of the Bible.  I don't understand how the story of Noah could be pulled off, but it correlates with the geneticist findings of the "great divergence" within our past.  From great diversity to a crash and then a reemergence, but we are genetically less diverse today than we were a few thousand years ago. 

I'm not trying to convince you to go to church with me tomorrow, but like gst I am mystified at your desire to destroy someone else's faith.  Like I mentioned I often experience this and it's like the vegan who can not leave me in peace as I enjoy a ribeye.

Religion is like a penis, be proud you have one, but dont wave it around in public and sure the f*** dont shove it down my child's throat.

What if it is a lady with a vagina?

"Diligence is the mother of good luck."

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"Well done is better than well said."

"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

All by:  Benjamin Franklin.

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 Heck yes, no one person can pretend to know the answer to everything, so why would you assume your religion and faith is correct?

Where have I ever stated I beleive my religion and my faith are "correct" for anyone other than myself?

For my self it is faith itself that allows me to beleive is is right for me. Apparently you do not understand how "faith" works!

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Those are just unproven theories, so I'm gonna make up my own beliefs....sounds logical

Lets imagine now that there is a holy creator, an all mighty being of sorts.  do any of you think for one second that he has put you (bob johnson of 2319 apple tree lane) in its thought processes.  are we so self centered like Tebow to pray to this almighty to let him win his football game, to have "faith" in he, so we get a reserved seat just for us next to the all mighty in the after life?

Does his faith allow Tim Tebow to beleiev he CAN  :win the game"? Does his faith allow him to play perhaps above his "normal" abilities to win the game? Does his faith that someone maybe there to guide his arm give him the extra confidence to make a pass he normally maybe would not to win the game??? So is it just the extra confidence that allows this pass to be made or someting more?

CAN YOUR SCIENCE PROVE WHAT MADE HIM MAKE THAT PASS?

You plug in a programs that your science developes to coach the perfect football game and guess what throws you for a loop, something within the human element. Some unexplainable thing inside someone creates a result your "science" can not "logically" explain.

Why?

Perhaps a greater power that can indeed create all of this and fool a few into beleiving they have all the answers actually has the ability to provide an individual the beleive in themselves that faith allows
 
Or perhaps it is simply beleiving in ones self as a result of their faith. Either way to define someone as "self centered" for bowing in prayer begins to shed a little insight.

It is beginning to appear you do not understand faith as much as I thought you did.

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You made wine!?... Starting only with water?! (that is what he asked after all)
You are highly skilled, an alchemist in fact!

 

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Age "determination" (as you put it) of rocks correlates with the other "determinations" allowing scientists to hypothesize that our earth is 4.5 bilion years old.

There you go.  When things are theory or simply hypothesis we can all be wrong.  When I want to solve ecological problems and form a hypothesis I do it with data I have collected myself or data someone else has collected following the protocol I or a supervisor have established.  Even then things are often not clear and you hope a statistical analysis will give you a better than 95% confidence level.

Then we get to faith.  I doubt many of you have looked as close as you think.  Have you read any of the secular historians I recommended.  I recommended secular because your language indicates very deep scepticism of anything religious.  You will find that these ancient historians support the Bible.  Surprisingly I assume for many is the fact that the Koran supports much of the Bible.  I think  if you look at science it supports some of the Bible.  I don't understand how the story of Noah could be pulled off, but it correlates with the geneticist findings of the "great divergence" within our past.  From great diversity to a crash and then a reemergence, but we are genetically less diverse today than we were a few thousand years ago. 

I'm not trying to convince you to go to church with me tomorrow, but like gst I am mystified at your desire to destroy someone else's faith.  Like I mentioned I often experience this and it's like the vegan who can not leave me in peace as I enjoy a ribeye.

Religion is like a penis, be proud you have one, but dont wave it around in public and sure the f*** dont shove it down my child's throat.

Wow, I'm sorry if my words led to that vulgarity.  I am not angry, and I certainly hope my words don't spark anger in others.   The most important point I am trying to make is that we don't know as much as we think we do.   Now I have added that science and the Bible may have some connections.   I don't know how, but one day we may all see this the same.  I will readily admit I have a lot more questions than answers. My 63 years experience has taught me that often those who think they know the most are often wrong the most often.  Sometimes I have had to learn that the hard way and eat a little humble pie.

 

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"The West" about 8 episode narrated by Ken Burns,,,,,,,,Good one for in January

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You made wine!?... Starting only with water?! (that is what he asked after all)
You are highly skilled, an alchemist in fact!

Lack reading comprehension?

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  Put your faith in man or God,  I choose God, I already seen what man can do, and there is nothing good in us, we think we are gods, we want to be gods, but we cannot even go home and be a proper father or husband, we are filled with hate and lust, anger and fear
   Now we can still do good things and try to be good to each other, but when a scientist proclaim to be gods and try to create life, then we are in trouble.

Faith isn't always good. When faith replaces critical thinking, this isn't good. I know many atheists who are very good people. Thinking you need god to do good is just illogical since millions of people do it daily. If you honestly believe you need God in your life to be a proper father or husband, or to not be filled with hate, lust, anger and fear, than that is very sad.... and my G pa would disagree with you. I don't think scientists are proclaiming to be gods, they are trying to enlighten

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Yes, Ken Burns has a bunch of great documentaries.   Some as short as a 1 hour program and some with many episodes, like The Civil War. 

There's lots ovf Nat Geograp[hic ones too, a great one about Robert Ballard investigating the depths of Guadalcanal passage and reconstructing the battle that happend unexpectedly at night - historians still argue amongst themselves who actually won it and what happened.
Before we went to China I looked at several on China, etc.   Lots of good stuff.

Being retired, I have the time to do this, but if you have an exercise bike or treadmill or womething like that in front of a TV, you can call up say a 1 hour documentary and get a solid 50 minutes of exercise with no BS, no commercials, etc.   Do it every morning during the winter. Great way to stay in shape-----errr---stay less out of shape in my case!

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    Lets face it, there are two different people on this world,
There is faithful man who believe in a omnipotent God,
There is the science man who believe in the fishmonkeyman,
We stand up for what we believe, and will teach are children are beliefs,
   Why is their  evolution taught in our schools, and the bible and prayer are banned, in most peoples mind they are both theories, either teach them both or nothing
   My 8th grade science teacher refused to teach the big boom and fishmonkeyman theory, and he was a christian, but he would not teach creation of the Bible.

I fear for this country and the direction which it is going.

   If i am wrong what did I lose, beside some sunday mournings fishing, I lived my life how I believe God would be pleased, I gave up drinking and smoking, I prey and read the Bible with my girls and have a wonderful time with the people of my church. If this is wrong I dont see how changing my life for the better could be. 
  But if you are right so be it, we are all dead, doesnt matter how smart you were, but if you are Wrong!!!!!

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  Put your faith in man or God,  I choose God, I already seen what man can do, and there is nothing good in us, we think we are gods, we want to be gods, but we cannot even go home and be a proper father or husband, we are filled with hate and lust, anger and fear
   Now we can still do good things and try to be good to each other, but when a scientist proclaim to be gods and try to create life, then we are in trouble.

Faith isn't always good. When faith replaces critical thinking, this isn't good. I know many atheists who are very good people. Thinking you need god to do good is just illogical since millions of people do it daily. If you honestly believe you need God in your life to be a proper father or husband, or to not be filled with hate, lust, anger and fear, than that is very sad.... and my G pa would disagree with you. I don't think scientists are proclaiming to be gods, they are trying to enlighten

I don;t think I remember reading where anyone suggested forgetting "critical thinking" in this discussion or where anyone suggested they "need" God in their life just to be a good person.

What was suggested is that if your faith allows you to be a better person, what is the harm in faith?

It is quite simple, if you choose not to beleive in any thing you can not prove inside a test tube or petrie dish, I respect your beleif you choose. Please have the courteousy and self security to return the favor.

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I said, When faith replaces critical thinking, this isn't good.
That is an example of when faith isn't good.

anyone suggested they "need" God in their life just to be a good person.

Answer=      
Put your faith in man or God,  I choose God, I already seen what man can do, and there is nothing good in us, we think we are gods, we want to be gods, but we cannot even go home and be a proper father or husband, we are filled with hate and lust, anger and fear


What was suggested is that if your faith allows you to be a better person, what is the harm in faith?

If it goes to far, if your faith takes over critical thinking, evidence and common sense.

I don;t think I remember reading where anyone suggested forgetting "critical thinking"

Why do you assume I'm only talking about people on here?

It is quite simple, if you choose not to beleive in any thing you can not prove inside a test tube or petrie dish, I respect your beleif you choose. Please have the courteousy and self security to return the favor.

I didn't say don't believe in anything I can't prove. I don't believe in something of which there is absolutely not even remotely any reason or proof, whatsoever, to believe.

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    Lets face it, there are two different people on this world,
There is faithful man who believe in a omnipotent God,
There is the science man who believe in the fishmonkeyman,
We stand up for what we believe, and will teach are children are beliefs,
   Why is their  evolution taught in our schools, and the bible and prayer are banned, in most peoples mind they are both theories, either teach them both or nothing
I think it's because evolution is generally accepted as fact and theory. Creation, like God, is an unfalsifiable hypothesis. The bible isn't banned if it is used as literature and prayer isn't banned either. A teacher just can't make the students pray. two common misconceptions
   My 8th grade science teacher refused to teach the big boom and fishmonkeyman theory, and he was a christian, but he would not teach creation of the Bible. One could say this might be an example of where someone letting his faith get the best of him? Maybe not, maybe the guy just though all three were stupid.

I fear for this country and the direction which it is going. I am to, but not because of religion. I do think it is debatable whether or not religion has done more harm than good during the history of the world.

   If i am wrong what did I lose, beside some sunday mournings fishing, I lived my life how I believe God would be pleased, I gave up drinking and smoking, I prey and read the Bible with my girls and have a wonderful time with the people of my church. If this is wrong I dont see how changing my life for the better could be. 
  But if you are right so be it, we are all dead, doesnt matter how smart you were, but if you are Wrong!!!!!

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 My 63 years experience has taught me that often those who think they know the most are often wrong the most often.  Sometimes I have had to learn that the hard way and eat a little humble pie.

A littlt humble pie? No-one could eat the amount you should have eaten. If you were Native American you name would have been Standing Sparrow (to full of BS to fly)

 

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I didn't say don't believe in anything I can't prove. I don't believe in something of which there is absolutely not even remotely any reason or proof, whatsoever, to believe.

You are most certaibly free to beleive or not in anything you wish.

From your last statement, it is clear you simply do not understand faith. 

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We could debate for another 100 years and get nowhere.  I don't care o debate this anymore, but for those whose faith may have been rattled a little I want to tell you a story.
Guess where I was yesterday?  Well life is full of coincidence, or was it coincidence.  I went to the civic center in Jamestown.  A biologist from Kruger National Park in Africa was speaking.  I thought the guy may have some very interesting life stories since his father was a bush pilot for the Zulu people.  Well he was speaking on the pillars of evolution and why science now tells us Darwin's theory doesn't work.  Coincidence?

Anyway, he keeps up more with the literature than I do since I am retired.  If some of you are not familiar Darwin based his theory on finches.  Every island had finches specific to that island.  The theory was they were isolated and as they adapted and added to their genetic diversity they changed visibly. 

You all know a story or two that you have heard on the news about some rapist being set free because of our ability to now process genetic evidence and it turns out the guy was innocent.  I'm sure you have heard one or two stories like that.  Like that scientists have now looked at those finches.  The truth is what they call the large ground finch on one island is considered the genetic matriarch of all the finches.  The finches on other islands do not have adapted/added genetic information they have reduced information.  Just the opposite of Darwin's theory.  As we breed dogs we do not breed new information into them.  Like the finch all that genetic information is already within them. 

The guy who spoke yesterday was Mike Snavely.  He presented a half dozen or more points that debunks evolution.  He agreed that religion should not be taught in science classes because it's not science.  He also said that if they are going to teach evolution they should teach it correctly.  If you have been taught evolution in a public school in the last 30 years you have perhaps not been taught correctly.  If you magic key is a billion years it's no key at all. 

Yes, he went through the big bang and everything.  That can also be torn to shreds.  In that theory everything is moving outward as it would in an explosion.   All you have to do is ignore all the things moving in the wrong direction.   He had some nice Hubble telescope pictures and covered information I can't even remember, but I did buy the video. 

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We could debate for another 100 years and get nowhere.  I don't care o debate this anymore, but for those whose faith may have been rattled a little I want to tell you a story.
Guess where I was yesterday?  Well life is full of coincidence, or was it coincidence.  I went to the civic center in Jamestown.  A biologist from Kruger National Park in Africa was speaking.  I thought the guy may have some very interesting life stories since his father was a bush pilot for the Zulu people.  Well he was speaking on the pillars of evolution and why science now tells us Darwin's theory doesn't work.  Coincidence?

Anyway, he keeps up more with the literature than I do since I am retired.  If some of you are not familiar Darwin based his theory on finches.  Every island had finches specific to that island.  The theory was they were isolated and as they adapted and added to their genetic diversity they changed visibly. 

You all know a story or two that you have heard on the news about some rapist being set free because of our ability to now process genetic evidence and it turns out the guy was innocent.  I'm sure you have heard one or two stories like that.  Like that scientists have now looked at those finches.  The truth is what they call the large ground finch on one island is considered the genetic matriarch of all the finches.  The finches on other islands do not have adapted/added genetic information they have reduced information.  Just the opposite of Darwin's theory.  As we breed dogs we do not breed new information into them.  Like the finch all that genetic information is already within them. 

The guy who spoke yesterday was Mike Snavely.  He presented a half dozen or more points that debunks evolution.  He agreed that religion should not be taught in science classes because it's not science.  He also said that if they are going to teach evolution they should teach it correctly.  If you have been taught evolution in a public school in the last 30 years you have perhaps not been taught correctly.  If you magic key is a billion years it's no key at all. 

Yes, he went through the big bang and everything.  That can also be torn to shreds.  In that theory everything is moving outward as it would in an explosion.   All you have to do is ignore all the things moving in the wrong direction.   He had some nice Hubble telescope pictures and covered information I can't even remember, but I did buy the video. 

Find any peer reviewed publication that states evolution is wrong and/or provides an alternative mechanism. You wont find it, plain and simple. Please, please do your own research before spouting off falsities.

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We could debate for another 100 years and get nowhere.  I don't care o debate this anymore, but for those whose faith may have been rattled a little I want to tell you a story.
Guess where I was yesterday?  Well life is full of coincidence, or was it coincidence.  I went to the civic center in Jamestown.  A biologist from Kruger National Park in Africa was speaking.  I thought the guy may have some very interesting life stories since his father was a bush pilot for the Zulu people.  Well he was speaking on the pillars of evolution and why science now tells us Darwin's theory doesn't work.  Coincidence?

Anyway, he keeps up more with the literature than I do since I am retired.  If some of you are not familiar Darwin based his theory on finches.  Every island had finches specific to that island.  The theory was they were isolated and as they adapted and added to their genetic diversity they changed visibly. 

You all know a story or two that you have heard on the news about some rapist being set free because of our ability to now process genetic evidence and it turns out the guy was innocent.  I'm sure you have heard one or two stories like that.  Like that scientists have now looked at those finches.  The truth is what they call the large ground finch on one island is considered the genetic matriarch of all the finches.  The finches on other islands do not have adapted/added genetic information they have reduced information.  Just the opposite of Darwin's theory.  As we breed dogs we do not breed new information into them.  Like the finch all that genetic information is already within them. 

The guy who spoke yesterday was Mike Snavely.  He presented a half dozen or more points that debunks evolution.  He agreed that religion should not be taught in science classes because it's not science.  He also said that if they are going to teach evolution they should teach it correctly.  If you have been taught evolution in a public school in the last 30 years you have perhaps not been taught correctly.  If you magic key is a billion years it's no key at all. 

Yes, he went through the big bang and everything.  That can also be torn to shreds.  In that theory everything is moving outward as it would in an explosion.   All you have to do is ignore all the things moving in the wrong direction.   He had some nice Hubble telescope pictures and covered information I can't even remember, but I did buy the video. 

Find any peer reviewed publication that states evolution is wrong and/or provides an alternative mechanism. You wont find it, plain and simple. Please, please do your own research before spouting off falsities.

You better look out Janrudy old Plainsman will be comparimg you to Mahmound Admadinejah,asking you if your turbin is ti tight,   As far as spouting off falsities he has pages of them on Nodak.

 

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jarudy there are dozens of peer reviewed.  Simply catch up on the literature.  Here is one in Molecular Biology.  Keep in mind that when your talking science and evolution that evolution really doesn't meet the test of science.  1. it's not demonstrable  2 it's not repeatable.  3 it's not observable.

This is just a fragment of it, and it got messed up in copy and past.  Sorry about that.

Descent of Mankind Theory: Disproved by Molecular Biology
by Rich Deem

Introduction

The current theory of human evolution states that modern humans evolved from more primitive A form of walking characterized by an erect stance in which the rear legs are utilized for movement.bipedal hominids. The first bipedal hominid genus that is supposedly the ancestor of modern humans is Australopithecus, which appeared in the fossil record from about 4.4 to 1 million years ago throughout eastern Africa. Australopithecus comprised a diverse group of small-brained A form of walking characterized by an erect stance in which the rear legs are utilized for movement.bipedal species that were confined to the savannas of Africa. This The second smallest classification name given for each biological species. Each genu can be comprised of one or more species.genus was supposed to have evolved into the The second smallest classification name given for each biological species. Each genu can be comprised of one or more species.genus Homo, which has been defined as bipedal primates with a brain capacity over 700 cc, having appeared in the fossil record by about 2.5 million years ago as Homo habilisin eastern Africa. According to theory, An extinct species of the genus Homo, which lived approximately 2.5 million to 1.6 million years ago.Homo habilis evolved into Homo erectus, which had a brain capacity just over 1000 cc, appearing in the fossil record from about 1.8 million to 300 thousand years ago. Homo neanderthalensis lived between 400 and 28 thousand years ago. Archaic Homo sapiens appeared 400 - 150 thousand years ago, and modern Homo sapiensfrom less than 100 thousand years ago. Contrary to the claims of many creationists, there is ample evidence for the existence of human-like species of bipedal primates. The dates and ages of these fossils are not widely disputed in scientific circles. The reality of the fossil record and the reliability of the dates of these fossils is actually instrumental in disproving the descent of man theory. If the fossil record were not as complete as it now is, the standard evolutionist argument would apply, "we just haven't found the missing link ancestor of modern humans yet."

The beginning of trouble - lack of genetic diversity among modern humans

As evolutionists studied humans and species of apes in the 1970's and 1980's, some rather surprising information was being discovered that distinguished us from apes and other primates. The maximum Fst value (a measure of variation between population groups) between human races is 0.08 (1, 2). However, among populations of chimpanzees, orangutans, and other primate species, A calculated proportion of total genetic variability attributable to the genetic differences between populations.Fst values are commonly more than 0.20. An examination of 62 common An organic compound made of amino acids arranged in a linear chain, joined together by peptide bonds between the carboxyl and amino groups of the adjacent amino acid residues.protein coding genetic Multiple places on a chromosome where specific genes or genetic markers are located, a kind of address for the gene.loci, indicates a Replacement of one nucleotide in a DNA sequence by another nucleotide or replacement of one amino acid in a protein by another amino acid.substitution rate of 0.011/The place on a chromosome where a specific gene is located, a kind of address for the gene.locus (Caucasoids versus Mongoloids), to a maximum of 0.029 (Mongoloids versus Negroids). However, in nearly all other animal species studied, including apes, usually exceed 0.05 (2). In humans, heterozygosity (the proportion of Variant forms of a gene at a particular locus, or location, on a chromosome.alleles that are polymorphic, in this case within the species) is 1.8% , whereas in apes it ranges from 2.5 in the An arboreal great ape belonging to the genus Pongo, consisting of two species, Pongo pygmaeus of Borneo and Pongo abelii, characterized by a reddish-brown coat, very long arms, and no tail.Orangutan to 3.9 in the Chimpanzee (3). An analysis of the genetics of populations of apes reveals that different population groups possess fixed novel mutations that characterize each population. In contrast, there are no novel Permanent structural alterations in DNA, consisting of either substitutions, insertions or deletions of nucleotide bases.mutations or genetic Variant forms of a gene at a particular locus, or location, on a chromosome.alleles that specifically characterize any one human race from another. More recent studies have confirmed the early work, likewise showing that human genetic diversity is far less than what one would predict from Darwinian theory. Dr. Maryellen Ruvolo (Harvard University) has noted, "It's a mystery none of us can explain." (4). Examinations of the genetic The order of nucleotides in a DNA or RNA molecule, or the order of amino acids in a protein molecule.sequences of diverse modern human populations reveals minor, if any differences (5). All of this evidence suggested a recent origin for modern humans.

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....bullshit

Peer reviewed (scientific community)? Nope. Published outside of his website and in any credible scientific publication? Nope. Did you check the references and how he was using them? Nope.

Both the idiot Richard Deem and you are employing the Staw Man fallacy. Perhaps a college course of "Introduction to Critical Thinking" may be key for you.

ALSO, you claim evolution isnt demonstratable? Have you ever taken a microbiology lab? Applying pressure to a group of bacteria most definently demonstrates evolution in addition to being repeatable and observable.

You clearly state evolution isnt observable yet you meant to say macroevolution isnt observable.

Mutation Rate of Microbes (demonstratable, oberservable and repeatable):
http://www.genetics.org/content/154/3/985.short
http://aac.asm.org/content/44/7/1771.short
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/274/5290/1208.short
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC249691/
http://ukpmc.ac.uk/abstract/MED/8800924/reload=0;jsessionid=e5ihiNps4OgOc7HGAWBx.2
http://hmg.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/5/799.short
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0027510782901294

Guess what the best part about supporting facts is? I can do this all day yet your supposed proofs are limited to non published, childish fallacy claims.

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Time for you Bruce to cut and run.

 

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