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I am an avid Netflix Documentary watcher, and I saw one lastnight called Religulious by Bill Maher. I know religion is a touchy subject, but hoyl smokes, does this ever bring some light to a very taboo topic. I recommend watching it.

Has anyone seen any other good ones? Street Thief is another really good one!

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like religious politicians hindering stem cell research.

Nice.... Maybe if scientists could agree to use adult stem cells only we wouldn't have such problems? MSA are you sying aborting fetuses is only a religous issue????

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What's the differnce in killing an unborn baby and say a 35 year old man? They are both just animals right?

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And of course you (just as politicians have done) see the word stem cell and instantly assume cutting up aborted fetuses in a lab, and go against all stem cell research since one type stirred controversy.

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And of course you (just as politicians have done) see the word stem cell and instantly assume cutting up aborted fetuses in a lab, and go against all stem cell research since one type stirred controversy.

hmmm..

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like religious politicians hindering stem cell research.

Nice.... Maybe if scientists could agree to use adult stem cells only we wouldn't have such problems? MSA are you sying aborting fetuses is only a religous issue????

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like religious politicians hindering stem cell research.

I think we all may be guilty.  That's one of my peeves about evolution.  When people are so sure they have the answer they don't continue to search for an answer.  When something is theory we should continue to search. 

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You can thank liberal politicians for binding abortion and stem cell research together. As usual they used one issue to try and champion another.

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You can thank liberal politicians for binding abortion and stem cell research together. As usual they used one issue to try and champion another.

can you explain?  me no follow. 

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You can thank liberal politicians for binding abortion and stem cell research together. As usual they used one issue to try and champion another.

can you explain?  me no follow. 

Often times in politics they attach something less favorable to something more favorable to get their true ambitions met. Example: Stem cell research can lead to many medical discoveries/ cures. Stem cells can come from fetuses. Fetuses are... unborn babies... what have liberals fought forever to protect??? Abortion. Now attach the tone that fetuses are needed for stem cell research and SHAZAM!! We need abortion for stem cell research! All the while adult stem cells could be used, but nobody on the left brings that up.

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Multi,
i admit i'm only up to pg 6 on this thread.  but i wanted to know if you can prove you went to work on March 20th this year scientificly? 

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k.  i get your premise.  you think liberals were championing stem cell research in order to protect abortion.  kind of a round about way to support your cause don't you think.  are you asserting that the left drummed up the beneifts of embryonic stem cells in order to protect their abortion cause?  either way, that doesn't explain the rights continued opposition to embryonic stem cell research when said stem cells don't come from aborted fetuses.  the stem cells being used come from lines of cells that came from embryos that were no longer needed by people who were undergoing fertility treatments that would've simply been thrown away.  imho, the argument that religious affiliations were playing a role in politics and hindering scientific research is a very valid one in this case. 

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one simple question for anyone wishing to answer it.
 
Why the concern over someones beleif in a greater power or fatih in something more than what can be proven in a lab?

I mean I get the obvio0us when it leads to things that detiment people and society, but why hammer someone simply for a faith in a higher power?

I could introduce you to people that are as highly educated and knowledgable as anyone on here that have a very strong faith in a greater power, these are not radical or irrational people, they go to the doctor when they need to give money to research and developement thru science ect...

But every Sunday they go to church and take comfort in their lives and their faith. So why the need to force your beleifs onto these people?

Why is forcing your beleifs onto someone any better than that "nut job" trying to force theirs onto you?

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one simple question for anyone wishing to answer it.
 
Why the concern over someones beleif in a greater power or fatih in something more than what can be proven in a lab?

I mean I get the obvio0us when it leads to things that detiment people and society, but why hammer someone simply for a faith in a higher power?

I could introduce you to people that are as highly educated and knowledgable as anyone on here that have a very strong faith in a greater power, these are not radical or irrational people, they go to the doctor when they need to give money to research and developement thru science ect...

But every Sunday they go to church and take comfort in their lives and their faith. So why the need to force your beleifs onto these people?

Why is forcing your beleifs onto someone any better than that "nut job" trying to force theirs onto you?

I'm about on page 5 so far and I haven't seen anyone "forcing beliefs" on anyone.  Maybe I'm not as sensitive as some I guess?

If god didn't want us to eat animals....he wouldn't have made them out of food.

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We could debate for another 100 years and get nowhere.  I don't care o debate this anymore, but for those whose faith may have been rattled a little I want to tell you a story.
Guess where I was yesterday?  Well life is full of coincidence, or was it coincidence.  I went to the civic center in Jamestown.  A biologist from Kruger National Park in Africa was speaking.  I thought the guy may have some very interesting life stories since his father was a bush pilot for the Zulu people.  Well he was speaking on the pillars of evolution and why science now tells us Darwin's theory doesn't work.  Coincidence?

Anyway, he keeps up more with the literature than I do since I am retired.  If some of you are not familiar Darwin based his theory on finches.  Every island had finches specific to that island.  The theory was they were isolated and as they adapted and added to their genetic diversity they changed visibly. 

You all know a story or two that you have heard on the news about some rapist being set free because of our ability to now process genetic evidence and it turns out the guy was innocent.  I'm sure you have heard one or two stories like that.  Like that scientists have now looked at those finches.  The truth is what they call the large ground finch on one island is considered the genetic matriarch of all the finches.  The finches on other islands do not have adapted/added genetic information they have reduced information.  Just the opposite of Darwin's theory.  As we breed dogs we do not breed new information into them.  Like the finch all that genetic information is already within them. 

The guy who spoke yesterday was Mike Snavely.  He presented a half dozen or more points that debunks evolution.  He agreed that religion should not be taught in science classes because it's not science.  He also said that if they are going to teach evolution they should teach it correctly.  If you have been taught evolution in a public school in the last 30 years you have perhaps not been taught correctly.  If you magic key is a billion years it's no key at all. 

Yes, he went through the big bang and everything.  That can also be torn to shreds.  In that theory everything is moving outward as it would in an explosion.   All you have to do is ignore all the things moving in the wrong direction.   He had some nice Hubble telescope pictures and covered information I can't even remember, but I did buy the video. 

Find any peer reviewed publication that states evolution is wrong and/or provides an alternative mechanism. You wont find it, plain and simple. Please, please do your own research before spouting off falsities.

You better look out Janrudy old Plainsman will be comparimg you to Mahmound Admadinejah,asking you if your turbin is ti tight,   As far as spouting off falsities he has pages of them on Nodak.

And what exactly did that comment accomplish MO mauser?

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Multi,
i admit i'm only up to pg 6 on this thread.  but i wanted to know if you can prove you went to work on March 20th this year scientificly? 

Haha....uhhh???....ummmm....well uhhh....I was punched in.....

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Oh, it may not be forcing unless people don't want to be labeled backwards by society.  Every time I read a debate like this the evolution group usually looses patience sooner or later and imply that those who do not believe are sub intelligent.

Evolution not people attacks the faith of those who are religious.  If that religion is Christian, Muslim, Hindu, whatever.  Liberals will be more tolerant of all those with the exception of Christian.  For some reason that bothers people a lot.  I suppose that's because they are most familiar with that.  Most religions have moral standards and that bothers many people.  I would expect no one on here, but I know some that want to live their life any way they please and Christians offend them even if they say nothing.  Just their existence offends them.  

gst had a good point though.  Why does one person having faith bother others so much?  The original post talked about Religulous which is combing religion and ridiculous.  I seen the trailer when the movie came out.  Maher is very intolerant of Christians.  I have watched him knock them often.  He sort of pulled a Jay Leno when he has J walking.  Go out on the street and ask all these question.  Remember when he asked who attacked at Pearl Harbor?  I would guess many said Japan, but he showed the teacher that said aaaaah France?????  Question 20 people and put the most radical in your movie is what I think Maher did. 

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Multi,
i admit i'm only up to pg 6 on this thread.  but i wanted to know if you can prove you went to work on March 20th this year scientificly? 

Haha....uhhh???....ummmm....well uhhh....I was punched in.....



Is being punched in "scientific"?  maybe you had someone else punch you in. 

My point is; you can’t prove scientifically you were at work but you can use legal evidence to prove it.   Science doesn’t prove history, it can only support the claims made.   So, No, you can’t prove by science Jesus rose from the grave but I bet if you took a legal look at the history, put it before a judge, there would be enough evidence to prove it. 

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If I evolved from a monkey, then why do we still have monkeys?
Some of us where lucky enough to evolve and other monkeys just didnt?
How about now, can a monkey mate with a human?

sorry john, I'm not picking on you, you just posted something that caught my attention.

This is a common misconception, that evolution works in a straight line.  evolution "branches" into different directions.  one "monkey" as you put it doesn't evolve, but a group of monkeys that has become separated from its original population that may experience different climates and now has an isolated gene pool will build off of those genes and any mutations that may occur within that population.  evolution isn't necesarily a progression or an improvement, but instead a change or changes that are passed generation to generation.

some of these branches end in an extinction, never to pass those traits along ever again, and other branches split many many times giving rise to a multitude of species, like the pictures of the skinks I posted earlier.

and technically, you evolved from (im assuming your caucasian) ancient europeans, and they evolved from cromagnon, and a half dozen "links" later to one of 5 groups of early man from central africa, and they evolved from, and so on....theres alot of steps between you and a chimplike animal, but your DNA is more similar to a chimp's than the DNA between those 4 lizards I posted that someone informed me were the same species.

you see we didn't evolve from a chimp.  Chimps were on the same branch as us (no pun intended) a few million years ago and we branched off in one direction changing along the way to become homo sapiens and they branched off in another.

evolution is not a constant with rules that state this group will evolve and change X amount of times.  some species branch off many times and evolve very quickly and other species hardly evolve at all over hundreds of millions of years, like crocodiles for example.  crocs are almost impossible to kill, resistant to disease, can go for over a year without food, temperature tollerant, etc etc.  therefore most of them get to breed giving the crocodile a very diverse and large gene pool meaning a small mutation or change will still get passed on but not focused and develop to change or branch the species into another because it will just get blended back with the dominant traits in the rest of that population.

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Multi,
i admit i'm only up to pg 6 on this thread.  but i wanted to know if you can prove you went to work on March 20th this year scientificly? 

Haha....uhhh???....ummmm....well uhhh....I was punched in.....



Is being punched in "scientific"?  maybe you had someone else punch you in. 

My point is; you can’t prove scientifically you were at work but you can use legal evidence to prove it.   Science doesn’t prove history, it can only support the claims made.   So, No, you can’t prove by science Jesus rose from the grave but I bet if you took a legal look at the history, put it before a judge, there would be enough evidence to prove it. 

Oh that wasn't a joke...well then smart ass, go to srt and compare the IP address to which I was logged in from....BOOM!....sorry, I just wish creation vs. evolution was that easy to settle.

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It's odd that people talk in a very positive manner about how evolution works, yet it can not be proven.  Often people will say yes it can, but if that was true it would no longer be theory.  I think science is currently proving the theory wrong.  I think evolution is old school, and new technology will emerge that proves it wrong.   Of course knowing how arrogant our society is they will think they have a positive answer then too.  It's like ancient Rome thought there would never be a society as knowledgeable or as advanced as them.  I would guess there were societies like that before them, and societies that will come after us.  They all think they have the answers.  I sure wish I had all the answers, but I don't, and I don't think anyone does.  I doubt we have 1% of the understanding of even our own world.

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Multi,
i admit i'm only up to pg 6 on this thread.  but i wanted to know if you can prove you went to work on March 20th this year scientificly? 

Haha....uhhh???....ummmm....well uhhh....I was punched in.....



Is being punched in "scientific"?  maybe you had someone else punch you in. 

My point is; you can’t prove scientifically you were at work but you can use legal evidence to prove it.   Science doesn’t prove history, it can only support the claims made.   So, No, you can’t prove by science Jesus rose from the grave but I bet if you took a legal look at the history, put it before a judge, there would be enough evidence to prove it. 

Oh that wasn't a joke...well then smart ass, go to srt and compare the IP address to which I was logged in from....BOOM!....sorry, I just wish creation vs. evolution was that easy to settle.
 

again, is this scientific or legal eveidence?  maybe you were out fishing and had one of your kids log in for you... lol...

agian historical events cannot be proven using science, legal evidence is what is needed.  check out Simon Greenleaf  School of Law.

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Okay, to keep westnodaks sensibilities over verbs from getting offended I will use a term other than "force".

Multi, why is it so important that others "accept" your veiws any more than they do their own?

Why is it you seem to make light of those that choose to put their faith in something more than a tangible thing you can "drill a hole in"?
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Okay, to keep westnodaks sensibilities over verbs from getting offended I will use a term other than "force".

Multi, why is it so important that others "accept" your veiws any more than they do their own?

Why is it you seem to make light of those that choose to put their faith in something more than a tangible thing you can "drill a hole in"?

Haha, I don't think I'm the one getting offended here gst.

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Multi,
i admit i'm only up to pg 6 on this thread.  but i wanted to know if you can prove you went to work on March 20th this year scientificly? 

Haha....uhhh???....ummmm....well uhhh....I was punched in.....



Is being punched in "scientific"?  maybe you had someone else punch you in. 

My point is; you can’t prove scientifically you were at work but you can use legal evidence to prove it.   Science doesn’t prove history, it can only support the claims made.   So, No, you can’t prove by science Jesus rose from the grave but I bet if you took a legal look at the history, put it before a judge, there would be enough evidence to prove it. 


Not really. Considering whether or not Jesus even existed is still debated, let alone that he rose from the grave.

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  Multi If thats what you call proof, a few hundred pieces of bone, a few ape skulls, wow You guys get desperate, I am telling you, we are not monkeys, we are mermens.
   It comes down to this, men think they are pretty smart, there is no way there could be a God, we are the smartest most powerful creatures on this earth. I just love your pride, all of your smart comments, maybe you are a god, if you live a few thousand years you might evolve into one.

I wouldn't be surprized to find out a thousand years from now that people were worshipping Lady Gaga or Bieber as gods.

I like being a Bible thumper, at least I dont have anything common with commies, or hitler.

Hitler wasn't an atheist.

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again, is this scientific or legal eveidence?  maybe you were out fishing and had one of your kids log in for you... lol...
 

My kids logged in for me, at my work, and typed all that with a 2nd grade education?  prove it right, or prove it wrong, its a win win for me.  either my kids are flippin super geniuses, or I was factually and scientifically beyond the shadow of a doubt at work.  and I have several whitnesses that will testify, I was at work, all day, "dickin off on the computer, while they worked their asses off" (Thats how the "whitnesses" would put it)

for the record, not that anyone still following this thread is concerned with my beliefs.  I believe that Jesus never even existed and is just another figure used and created by man to celebrate the suns return for the new year which was copied, adjusted, and pasted from pagan guidelines, who of course was born of a virgin on dec 25th, that performed miracles, had 12 deciples, was crucified, resurected 3 days later blah blah blah just like dozens of other figures through out history.  research the backrounds of the following and tell me if there's any similarities...

Horus
Attis
Krishna
Dionysus
Mithra
Osiris

It's odd that people talk in a very positive manner about how evolution works, yet it can not be proven.  Often people will say yes it can, but if that was true it would no longer be theory.  I think science is currently proving the theory wrong.  I think evolution is old school, and new technology will emerge that proves it wrong.   Of course knowing how arrogant our society is they will think they have a positive answer then too.  It's like ancient Rome thought there would never be a society as knowledgeable or as advanced as them.  I would guess there were societies like that before them, and societies that will come after us.  They all think they have the answers.  I sure wish I had all the answers, but I don't, and I don't think anyone does.  I doubt we have 1% of the understanding of even our own world.

well I think, and I doubt, and I think, and I thought, my opinion is, and you can't prove it,   

what do you really need for proof?  David copperfield to turn a fish into a goose? because I keep hearing about jesus turning water into wine, but I put hard cash on copperfield turning that fish into a goose at a hotel in vegas first.  You keep talking about faith while saying I have no "proof"...what do you need for proof? and where is yours? other than "just close your eyes and have faith"  you (just like every other person of religion or "faith") always demands science to prove everything, when the entire side of your argument has never proven anything...ever.  just faith...you gotta have faith, fa, faith, you gotta have fa, fa, fa, fa, faith.

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This is so 2011 to me. What is lost is that some theologists claim that this is our last year. Read every post and will not use the box in the box. Think for myself. Used the dodged kitty just because. Stated that either the sun will fall down or we will kill each other. If the sun doesn't fall down then we are left with ourselves. Jesus can't save us from us. That leaves us. So if we fight ourselves...;who wins. This is an isuue on morals and y'all took it 14 pages. There should be a unified front if indeed their is a 2013. Religion and Politics have taken the place of common sense. Wish we could get back to a good ol' bar fight or two kids fighting after school just because one said his dad was tougher than your dad. Gonna go post on smelt and spawn now. Hope to get beat up.

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My kids logged in for me, at my work, and typed all that with a 2nd grade education?  prove it right, or prove it wrong, its a win win for me.  either my kids are flippin super geniuses, or I was factually and scientifically beyond the shadow of a doubt at work.  and I have several whitnesses that will testify, I was at work, all day, "dickin off on the computer, while they worked their asses off" (Thats how the "whitnesses" would put it)

 

From what i read on here you are smart so i would guess your kids are too.

but that is it, your co-workers are not scientific evidence but legal evidence of you being at work.  they testify to the history. 
same thing is true of those who testify of Jesus.  they saw the events, they walked with Him and if he didn't raise from the dead those in Jerusalam only had to show the body.

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OH and for those who don't know, Jesus was not born on Dec 25, that is just when it is celebrated.   Mostlikely He was born in the Spring, April-May timeframe. 

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Okay, to keep westnodaks sensibilities over verbs from getting offended I will use a term other than "force".

Multi, why is it so important that others "accept" your veiws any more than they do their own?

Why is it you seem to make light of those that choose to put their faith in something more than a tangible thing you can "drill a hole in"?

Haha, I don't think I'm the one getting offended here gst.

Not offended wst, I have said science has made amazing discoveries and contributions to society,  simply curious why it is so important for a few people on here that they "dispell" everyones faith based beleifs and have these people "accept" theirs?

For as many posts as has been made on here, no one seems to wish to answer the questions asked in the above quote.

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OH and for those who don't know, Jesus was not born on Dec 25, that is just when it is celebrated.   Mostlikely He was born in the Spring, April-May timeframe. 

 This is true.  In the story of Jesus' birth it is said that the wisemen traveled to Bethlehem following the North Star and found baby Jesus in a manjor. Joseph and Mary were in Bethlehem for the census, wait for it,......... which was in the spring .

Nearly all historians agree that Jesus was a real person.

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