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In my view allowing men to marry teenagers or teenagers to marry each other is wrong because they are not capable of making such large decisions and properly consenting.   Laws that allow this should be changed

My question where in the bible does it say that it is wrong for a 60 year old man to marry a 13 year old girl?   We have evolved beyond the morality of the bible.  

"we have evolved beyond the morality of the bible"?  we have thrown the morality of the bible under the bus.  

 

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In my view allowing men to marry teenagers or teenagers to marry each other is wrong because they are not capable of making such large decisions and properly consenting.   Laws that allow this should be changed

My question where in the bible does it say that it is wrong for a 60 year old man to marry a 13 year old girl?   We have evolved beyond the morality of the bible.  

Candiru, speaking for myself in these discussions, this is more a states rights issue and peoples ability to determine what is "right or wrong" themselves. 
 
I have tried to keep the Bible out of the discussion soley to offset any religion arguments

So I must ask, why is it you believe YOUR views should prevail concerning age and marriage, but other views concerning sexual orientation regarding marriage should be dismissed.

People in New Hampshire have laws allowing 13 year old girls to be married to 40 year old men as well as men to marry men.

It appears you are willing to over look one decision of law made by the citizens of New Hampshire while supporting another that fits YOUR personal veiws.

But yet that is EXACTLY what some (multi, btr ect...) on here are condemning others for doing.

So candiru, if we have "evolved beyond the morality of the bible", who's or what "morality" should we follow, the gay man? the 60 year old man that wishes to marry a 13 year old girl?  Who now gets to set the standard? 

Why are THEIR standards any more right than someone elses?

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They're all here now.  Life is normal.

I wonder if btr has as much issue with states setting their own marriage laws regarding age as he seems to regarding sexual orientation?

I don't know.  "There is no God" and all we can do is get along.  The more "depraved"; the more we need to tolerate and understand.  Without "God",  there is no basis for "right" and "wrong" which facilitates an easier existence to suck my oxygen and eat my food. 

Without God, these jackasses can't justify anger at ANY human action which doesn't directly affect them.  They DO know through indirect Word of God; what is Right and what is Wrong.  So let's all go fornicate with a seahorse.

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evolved beyond the morality of the bible

Yes, but not in the right direction.  It would be more correct to word it "we have evolved away from morality".    It happened slowly in our society.  When it happens slow people don't notice it, and normal people start to accept some very bad things.  Maybe one day we can gas the Jews again.  It was ok with a lot of people then.  Perhaps we can evolve further.

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In my view allowing men to marry teenagers or teenagers to marry each other is wrong because they are not capable of making such large decisions and properly consenting.   Laws that allow this should be changed

My question where in the bible does it say that it is wrong for a 60 year old man to marry a 13 year old girl?   We have evolved beyond the morality of the bible.  

"we have evolved beyond the morality of the bible"?  we have thrown the morality of the bible under the bus.  

I throw the morality of the bible under the bus every time I eat at red lobster, get a hair cut, or let my wife tell me what to do.

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this whole pedophile thing can be discussed when its an issue with the gay community....as for now, it has nothing to do with it, but GST keeps bringing it up and predicting its move for legalization within 5 years with similar popularity as the gay marriage movement is now.

If that happens GST, with you as my whitness....I will eat my hat with a fork and knife and a side of ranch.

How come no one answered my quiz?....need more hints?

so, other than the pedophile thing, and the its against your religion debate....are there any other reasons I should vote no for gay marriage?

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In my view allowing men to marry teenagers or teenagers to marry each other is wrong because they are not capable of making such large decisions and properly consenting.   Laws that allow this should be changed

My question where in the bible does it say that it is wrong for a 60 year old man to marry a 13 year old girl?   We have evolved beyond the morality of the bible.  

"we have evolved beyond the morality of the bible"?  we have thrown the morality of the bible under the bus.  

I throw the morality of the bible under the bus every time I eat at red lobster, get a hair cut, or let my wife tell me what to do.

"Bible"  Capital "B"--tool.

Yes, don't we all?  It's all the foundation.  At one point in time physics will take over.  I believe these rules you mock were based upon hygiene and disease.

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Come on multi don't be such a chicken shit. Answer the questions asked of you.

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So there in lies the importance to the answer to the question, does multi "tolerate" a 60 year old man "marrying" a girl at the ripe old age of 13 as the state of New Hampshire allows?

Or does HIS belief system , what ever it is based on, cause HIM to say this is wrong.

So then we must ask the question: if HIS belief system tells him this is wrong, why then should he condemn others who's belief system tells them two men "marrying" each other is wrong? 
 
Why should multi get to claim a different belief standard than his is wrong and those having it are wrong all the while maintaining his own belief system in what is right and wrong? 

So does he believe a 60 year old man screwing a 13 year old girl is "right" because they are "married".

We have yet to know because he will not answer.

So multi, grow a set and answer a couple of questions, will you "tolerate" a law in this state that would allow a 60 year old man to "marry" a 13 year old girl (and have all the "rights" associated with marriage including the legal ability to have sexual relations)?

Yes? No?

Understand here as made clear in the link provided, it is about the law and "rights" just as gays are claiming, NOT the sexual act.

 

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and regardless of this insignificant thread, we all see where the future and the majority is going.

So, when the vote comes around, yes I support gay marriage and will vote in favor of it.

why? because it has nothing to do with me, my marriage, my way of life, or the TV I watch, and I feel like an asshole if I take part in denying someone the things they want because it might mean less Will & Grace on that one channel at midnight.

multi, if a law allowing the 60 year old man to marry a 14 year old girl came up in ND would you support it?

Yes? No?

multi this law saying a 60 year old man can marry a 13 year old girl and thus have legal sexual relations with her will have nothing to do with you, your marriage, your way of life or the TV you watch.

So tell us multi would you be alright with a law that allows a 60 year old man to "marry" a 13 year old girl and legally have sexual relations with her as can be done in New Hampshire?

Yes?

No?

Not quite down to 5 sentences multi, but try and sort thru the best you can and actually answer the questions if you are willing to deem them worthy.

Come on multi straight up simple questions deserve straight up simple answers.

Unless you already know they will make you look the hypocrite.

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this whole pedophile thing can be discussed when its an issue with the gay community....as for now, it has nothing to do with it, but GST keeps bringing it up and predicting its move for legalization within 5 years with similar popularity as the gay marriage movement is now.

If that happens GST, with you as my whitness....I will eat my hat with a fork and knife and a side of ranch.

How come no one answered my quiz?....need more hints?

so, other than the pedophile thing, and the its against your religion debate....are there any other reasons I should vote no for gay marriage?

multi why do you always put the caveat that pedophilia can only be "discussed" legitimately when it happens with the gay community???

Does pedophilia not exist outside of the gay community?

Are you alright with it happening outside of the gay community multi?

Are you THAT "tolerant"?

Is it only taboo when a 40 year old man is trying to "marry" a 13 year old boy?

multi, in your view, do you consider a 40 year old man marrying a 13 year old girl in New Hampshire and having legal sexual relations with her "pedophilia"??

Yes?

No?

I ask these questions and would like answers, as it will determine the menu of your next meal as what most would likely consider pedophilia (40 year old man having sex with ANY 13 year old child) is permissible under the laws GOVERNING MARRIAGE in New Hampshire.

We are discussing the laws governing marriage here right?

Now that gay marriage is legal in New Hampshire along with a 40 year old marrying a 13 year old............................................how long before someone sues for the "right" of a 40 year old man to "marry" a 13 year old boy under state law.

Maybe a judge will determine this regardless of the parents desires as they do in Florida.

Don't chicken out from answering multi.

Just how big a hat will you be eating multi, and could you post a video so we all can "witness" ?

Oh never mind multi, it seems as if as long as it is not in the gay community you don't consider it pedophilia.

Indeed this "evolution" of "tolerance" by incremental design is a wonderful thing for this country right?

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how is eating shrimp as opposed to fish any less or more of a risk of disease? and what does wearing cotton and polyester have to do with hygene....these are some of the problems I find with using a 1500 year old book of stories & contradictions copied from dozens of ther religions, re-translated dozens of times, re-interpreted even more, as guide to set the rules of my life by....I don't need a book like that to keep me from being a bad person.

If you or others need such a book to aid in your journey through life, I got no problems with that.  What ever gets you through your day, it makes no difference to me.

I have a problem when people start using books like that to enact laws and rules for the rest of us.

which is why I will vote yes on gay marriage

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Really, now that "transgender" boys get to shower with the girls in their locker rooms, how many teenage football players will suddenly find they may be "transgender"??

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/6-year-old-transgender-boy-must-be-allowed-to-use-girls-bathroom-colorado-o

Okay, okay I know it is a 6 year old boy and simply going to the bath room..............................................................................for now.

Remember, this is in the state that has a purple haze over it that use to allow men to marry 12 year old girls.

Make sure you don't leave your little girls pink bracelet laying around where your 5 month old baby boy can grab it.

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multi-species-angler Said:

how is eating shrimp as opposed to fish any less or more of a risk of disease? and what does wearing cotton and polyester have to do with hygene....these are some of the problems I find with using a 1500 year old book of stories & contradictions copied from dozens of ther religions, re-translated dozens of times, re-interpreted even more, as guide to set the rules of my life by....I don't need a book like that to keep me from being a bad person.

If you or others need such a book to aid in your journey through life, I got no problems with that.  What ever gets you through your day, it makes no difference to me.

I have a problem when people start using books like that to enact laws and rules for the rest of us.

which is why I will vote yes on gay marriage

praawk, ppppppprawk, prawk ppppraaawk  pwrak!!!

Here chicky, chicky!

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how is eating shrimp as opposed to fish any less or more of a risk of disease? and what does wearing cotton and polyester have to do with hygene....these are some of the problems I find with using a 1500 year old book of stories & contradictions copied from dozens of ther religions, re-translated dozens of times, re-interpreted even more, as guide to set the rules of my life by....

What does eating shrimp and fish have to do with the Bible today?

I have a problem when people start using books like that to enact laws and rules for the rest of us.

which is why I will vote yes on gay marriage

on spite??  I'm getting to know you multi.

this whole pedophile thing can be discussed when its an issue with the gay community....as for now, it has nothing to do with it,

Per cap I think homosexuality has a lot more to do with pedophilia than heterosexuality.  Who was it again the priests were molesting?

muti  how are we to believe anything that comes from your mouth.  You chastised us for thinking you were anti religion, then you admitted it, now ----- who knows???

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so gst says if I support gay marriage that means I support pedophilia...well he's entitled to his opinion I guess.  my stance is, pedophila has nothing more to do with the gay community than it does with black people.

my real question is how would any of you change my mind on how to vote on the gay marriage topic.  anything other than the bible or pedophile argument?  neither of which hold any water. 

yes gst we know pedophilia has been "legal" in various places, religions and times....still has nothing to do with the gay community.

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how is eating shrimp as opposed to fish any less or more of a risk of disease? and what does wearing cotton and polyester have to do with hygene....these are some of the problems I find with using a 1500 year old book of stories & contradictions copied from dozens of ther religions, re-translated dozens of times, re-interpreted even more, as guide to set the rules of my life by....

What does eating shrimp and fish have to do with the Bible today?

You tell me, it says its a sin on the same page it says a man lying with a man is a sin....isn't this where you're getting your rules from

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I believe there's two parts to "marriage".  One is the part under God which is done in a church.  The other is the legal binding of assets and decisions.  That's done thru the legal system.  The one under God is defined by and controlled by the churches.  My church says no to gay marriage and I support them in that.  As for the one in the legal system I have no problem if gays want to marry.  It's only a piece of paper that gives them legal rights.  It doesn't say God has to honor it or agree to it, nor does it say their church has to perform it. 

Genuine conservatism promotes cautious and prudent change, respect for tradition, stewardship, humility, responsibility and fact-based decision making. It is concerned with both individual and societal well-being. With regard to government, conservatism favors a government that is lean, efficient and effective -- not impotent.

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so gst says if I support gay marriage that means I support pedophilia...well he's entitled to his opinion I guess.  my stance is, pedophila has nothing more to do with the gay community than it does with black people.

my real question is how would any of you change my mind on how to vote on the gay marriage topic.  anything other than the bible or pedophile argument?  neither of which hold any water. 

yes gst we know pedophilia has been "legal" in various places, religions and times....still has nothing to do with the gay community.

Still no answer from the little banty rooster.

Once again, instead of answering questions, he spouts so much bs meant to deflect from having to answer simple questions.

multi you are lying claiming I have said or insinuated something I have not.

plain and simple.

And you are telling this lie to deflect from having to answer a question you KNOW will paint you in a corner.

Multi we are trying to determine if you think  marriage laws allowing for the act of pedophilia to happen outside of the gay community is right or wrong.

That question is being asked to determine why YOUR tolerances of a marriage versus someone elses tolerances of a marriage should be any different when it comes to laws governing marriage. 

Facts regarding laws restricting/governing marriage have been provided along with the links and they simply are dismissed rather than discussed.

We are discussing gay marriage here and not the act right?

Come on multi are you really that much of a chicken to answer a simple question? 

Should a 40 year old man be able to marry a 13 year old girl and have all the "rights" associated with that marriage? 

Yes?

No?

Chick, chick chickeee

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I believe there's two parts to "marriage".  One is the part under God which is done in a church.  The other is the legal binding of assets and decisions.  That's done thru the legal system.  The one under God is defined by and controlled by the churches.  My church says no to gay marriage and I support them in that.  As for the one in the legal system I have no problem if gays want to marry.  It's only a piece of paper that gives them legal rights.  It doesn't say God has to honor it or agree to it, nor does it say their church has to perform it. 

YES!

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no GST, in my opinion, even though it has been prcaticed and legal in other places and times I do not think any man or woman over 18 should be able to marry or have sex with a 13 year old.

still has nothing to do with gay people.

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multi-species-angler Said:

how is eating shrimp as opposed to fish any less or more of a risk of disease? and what does wearing cotton and polyester have to do with hygene....these are some of the problems I find with using a 1500 year old book of stories & contradictions copied from dozens of ther religions, re-translated dozens of times, re-interpreted even more, as guide to set the rules of my life by....

What does eating shrimp and fish have to do with the Bible today?

You tell me, it says its a sin on the same page it says a man lying with a man is a sin....isn't this where you're getting your rules from

You don't understand the Bible multi.  If you did you would understand that there are three laws In the old testament.  Some liberal churches will say the old testament no longer applies.  However, if you read it with an open and searching mind you will find that two of the laws were abolished with the fulfillment of prophecy. 
The food laws were a portion of one law and only for the Jewish people, and only for a given time.  They do not apply to gentiles, nor do they apply to Jews today because prophecy is fulfilled.  The Jews continue to follow the food laws because they do not believe Jesus was the predicted (prophecy) messiah, and  no it isn't Obama.

The laws are: 

The Old Testament Law

  • Ceremonial Law: This type of law relates to Israel's worship. (Lev 1:1-13) The laws pointed forward to Jesus Christ and were no longer necessary after Jesus' death and resurrection. Though we are no longer bound to them, the principles behind the ceremonial laws, that is to worship and love God, still apply.

     

  • Civil Law: This law dictated Israel's daily living (Deut 24:10-11); but modern society and culture are so radically different that some of these guidelines cannot be followed specifically. The principles behind the commands are used to guide our conduct.

     

  • Moral Law: The moral laws are direct commands of God. A good example are the Ten Commandments (Ex 20:1-17). The moral laws reveal the nature and will of God, and still apply to us today. We do not obey this moral law as a way to obtain salvation, but to live in ways pleasing to God.
    (From the "Life Application Study Bible"

    The only laws that were not abolished were the moral laws which the Bible says was for all people for all time.  So as much as you don't like the moral laws of Leviticus they still apply today.  Eat all the shrimp you want. 

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 Heaven or an eternity in hell is on the line.  You would think a god that truly loved us would make it very plain what laws need to be followed and what ones didn't.   

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 Heaven or an eternity in hell is on the line.  You would think a god that truly loved us would make it very plain what laws need to be followed and what ones didn't.   

Ten commandments, might be a good start.

Neat

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How come rape isn't in the ten commandments? you can rape someone and get in to heaven, but if you say the lords name with a shitty attitude you burn for eternity......seems legit.

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well....unless its gay rape

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no GST, in my opinion, even though it has been prcaticed and legal in other places and times I do not think any man or woman over 18 should be able to marry or have sex with a 13 year old.

still has nothing to do with gay people.

Multi, thanks for finally answering a question.

Now unfortunately from your comments there are a couple more for you.

Where have I ever equated pedophilia to gay people?

I have not. Please stop inferring I have as it is a lie.

If you have followed along in other threads, I have pretty steadfastly brought up the marriage laws as this is what this is all about, laws regulating who can be married.

And now it comes down to this.

If YOU wish to be able to maintain YOUR ideals on the AGE of marriage even though other states have clearly written laws not in accordance with your views, why then should I or any other person not be able to hold to our ideals about marriage being between a man and a woman despite what other states have done in this regard?

What makes you so special to determine your beliefs, but others can not hold to theirs without your condemnation?

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 How come rape isn't in the ten commandments?

how come obamacare isn't in the constitution... 

you can rape someone and get in to heaven

you can make me pay for your obamacare and still vote in elections...

but if you say the lords name with a shitty attitude you burn for eternity......seems legit.

but if you question our president, you get audited... seem like horse shit...

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haha, I agree...but there's plenty of threads on FBO about Obama already

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"What makes you so special to determine your beliefs, but others can not hold to theirs without your condemnation?"

Isn't this really the pot calling the kettle black here?

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In my view allowing men to marry teenagers or teenagers to marry each other is wrong because they are not capable of making such large decisions and properly consenting.   Laws that allow this should be changed

My question where in the bible does it say that it is wrong for a 60 year old man to marry a 13 year old girl?   We have evolved beyond the morality of the bible.  

"we have evolved beyond the morality of the bible"?  we have thrown the morality of the bible under the bus.  

I throw the morality of the bible under the bus every time I eat at red lobster, get a hair cut, or let my wife tell me what to do.

I'm not sure what your red lobster rant is, jesus fed thousands with fish.  your other two statements could create a very long discussion in themselves.  

 

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gotta read that bible more eyexer.

Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination to you.

anything in the seas or the rivers that has not fins and scales, of the swarming creatures in the waters and of the living creatures that are in the waters, is detestable to you. You shall regard them as detestable; you shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall detest their carcasses. Everything in the waters that has not fins and scales is detestable to you.

You shall not eat any abomination

I guess I could find more if I try, but the point I'm making is this god has a bigger problem with shrimp than he does gay folks.

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ok GST, I played ball...lets keep it fun. now you answer my question from earlier, even though its off topic and doesn't prove anything....just fun food for thought

guess who?

born of a virgin

born on dec. 25th

performed miracles

birth accompanied by a star in the east

3 kings

baptized at age 30

traveled with 12 deciples

was betrayed, then crucified

buried for 3 days

then resurrected

who am I?

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