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 as gst stated a bunch of us do both.  that's what forums are for.  if you don't like it be smart enough not to click on the topic.  most are pretty obvious what they are about in the title.  it's like going to the candy store as a kid but you weigh 225.  and you just can't help yourself you have to have a bag of candy.  

 

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" I just don't think this is the forum for these topics."

Again, one of the topic choices is politics.  This is the forum.

Not everyone can run for political office, or wants to.  Communication among citiznes often times leads to grass roots movements with positive outcomes.  Nothing a socialist government wants more is for people to shut up and take it as they spoon it to us. 

 

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 If these discussions were more about political topics and less about petty bantering between 2 or 3 people I'd be completely on your side. 


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OK since this is about tolerance lets look at the headlines on Drudge.

UPDATE: 'Religious Freedom Restoration Act'...

Pressure mounts over bill opposed by gays...

Hollywood Bar Bans Anti-Gay Lawmakers...

The law in question in Arizona simply protects our religious rights.  Gay's are afraid they can't sue a bakery that will not make a cake for Bobby and Billy because their religion says it's wrong.  I would guess this would apply to Muslims too so please no Christian hating.

Second the gays oppose it based on their rights trump the first amendment I guess.

Now to showcase liberal intolerance.  If you don't agree with them they will ban you from their establishment.   Doesn't sound like tolerance to me. 

So we have the first amendment that says government stays out of religion and we are guaranteed our religious freedom.  If some liberal can show me in the constitution where gay rights are more constitutional than religious rights  please do so.

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I support gays in Africa, as long as they stay in africa

I'll catch more eye's than you

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Pinecone, JR. Said:
I support gays in Africa, as long as they stay in africa

No room for queers in Africa.

Neat

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Because I have been nursing my family back to health, I am now the one that is sick and I want to crawl into a hole and die. Thought you should all know.

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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Meelosh Said:
Because I have been nursing my family back to health, I am now the one that is sick and I want to crawl into a hole and die. Thought you should all know.

Is it turning you queer?

Neat

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Meelosh Said:
Because I have been nursing my family back to health, I am now the one that is sick and I want to crawl into a hole and die. Thought you should all know.

Is it turning you queer?

Maybe...I dunno...I don't know what's right anymore....

Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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DirtyMike Said:
 If these discussions were more about political topics and less about petty bantering between 2 or 3 people I'd be completely on your side. 

Unfortunately what is politics if not that on a larger scale?

politics is all about convincing others your side is right.

Pretty much any controversial topic is politics because of the nature of it being controversial.

Indeed these things often turn into petty bantering back and forth. To me it is important that people actually know some facts about an issue I feel strongly enough to engage in.

Old Rush is right about one thing, there are a lot of people willing to be "low information voters" and to me that is the most dangerous thing facing this nation because the "low information voter" is nothing more than Stalins "useful idiot".

This nation was founded under the premise it's citizens would be informed and involved participants in it's govt.

Unless we get back there, we are screwed.

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Plainsman-Liberal intolerance? This "law" was drawn up by right wing extremists. Although this would include gays who also are in the military that protect your constitutional rights it could go much farther then that. Certain religions view women as inferior and if an employer is of that religion he could easily terminate female employees. An ambulance service could deny service based on religion to those of differing beliefs. The thing that struck me is all but 3 Arizona republican legislators voted for this crap.. Now that some of the businesses are putting up signs saying they reserve the right to not serve Arizona legislators they are flip flopping on their vote and making ludicrous excuses like they didn't fully understand the law and.....I hope this doesn't impact the placement of the next Super Bowl! Pretty obvious that it's either the water or intense heat has fried their brains!

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It completely blows my mind that someone would sue in order to require a person to take their money for a profit. Uncle Sam is becoming a babysitter to moron children. "I don't like you so I'm going to make the government require you to be more successful!" Holy crap.  

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OK since this is about tolerance lets look at the headlines on Drudge.

UPDATE: 'Religious Freedom Restoration Act'...

Pressure mounts over bill opposed by gays...

Hollywood Bar Bans Anti-Gay Lawmakers...

The law in question in Arizona simply protects our religious rights.  Gay's are afraid they can't sue a bakery that will not make a cake for Bobby and Billy because their religion says it's wrong.  I would guess this would apply to Muslims too so please no Christian hating.

Second the gays oppose it based on their rights trump the first amendment I guess.

Now to showcase liberal intolerance.  If you don't agree with them they will ban you from their establishment.   Doesn't sound like tolerance to me. 

So we have the first amendment that says government stays out of religion and we are guaranteed our religious freedom.  If some liberal can show me in the constitution where gay rights are more constitutional than religious rights  please do so.

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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plainsman-religious freedom should be separate from government unless the "religion" becomes abusive.

Any of this make sense or should someone be watching for things like this?
Whoever strikes his father shall be put to death. Exodus 21:15
You should not let a sorceress live. Leviticus 20:13
A daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father shall be burned to death.
Leviticus 21:9
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the "judge" or of the priest who represents the Lord your God must be put to death. Dueteronony 17:12
And believe it or not some suicide bombers think it's a religious experience to blow innocent people up.

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fish how about this one. "Any law that requireth a valid ID to placeth a vote is unconstitutional?" 

come on fish actually answer one question.

do you think a person should have to show an ID to vote?  

Ah hell one more fish.

Fish how many times does a reference to God/religion appear in our founding fathers govt?

 

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Right or wrong, a business should have the right to deny service to anyone for any reason.  Individuals would of course have the right to boycott that business.  This is a states issue to begin with, but a private business operating on private grounds is clearly having its Constitutional rights taken away when government tells them who they can serve and may not serve.  An employer would of course also have the right to not hire someone who is not going to fulfill the duties of the job.

I think the law in Arizona needs better clarification, but its intent is to protect the private sector businessman and their rights. Right or wrong on issue, but rights just the same.  Their decision as a business may spell their doom, but that's OK.  They have a chance to succeed or to fail.  Someone who doesn't like it or is shut out has every right to take their money elsewhere.

The topic of the thread is "tolerance" and those that claim it.  Tolerating a behavior that you personally find revolting can not be and should not be regulated by government.   Federal government has no role here and this is the real issue at hand.  What Arizona has tried to do is return power to the individual.  Whether you agree with gay marriage or not is not the issue. 

 

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No shirt, No shoes, no service.

Hippy type surfer dudes apparently do not have a national organizations such as the gays do.

No tie no suit coat no service.

Uptown yuppies apparently are not so butt hurt over imposed standards for service.
 
But it would be hard to argue that a "class" of people such as the homeless are not being "discriminated" against by an upscale restaurant.

Perhaps the elitists at the ACLU do  not wish to dine with the less chic.

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Actually in AZ homosexuality does not qualify as something being discrimination so they can already do as they please. This new bill is basically preemptive in case a court case comes up. 

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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GST-Seems like you've developed a lisp. I know a speech pathologist that may be able to help you with that.
In regard to voter Id what are you proposing? Military Id? Utility billing? Driver's license? Some states that required ID's required birth certificates to obtain them.. In my business I've come across elderly people that were born at home that have no birth certif. IF some forms of ID have no address they were also disqualified in some states. Depends on the State. I'd like to see everyone have an ID even though GOP claims of voter fraud are not close to accurate when one actually looks into it. One little side note-The Constitution says there will be no fees for voting but in some,obtaining the mandatory BC requires a fee. I also believe securing an ID should be easily accessible and not an issue of being denied or buried in a case of red tape in cases such as I mentioned where there is no Available Birth Certificate. When you come up with a good idea, that will not take away a person's right to vote, lhave your people talk to my people.
Religion to the constitution? Three I know of. Why?

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NO shirt , no shoes? Bare feet in an establishment is a health risk, not stealth mode for prejudice unless you're speaking on behalf of the germs GST.

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GST-Seems like you've developed a lisp. I know a speech pathologist that may be able to help you with that.
In regard to voter Id what are you proposing? Military Id? Utility billing? Driver's license? Some states that required ID's required birth certificates to obtain them.. In my business I've come across elderly people that were born at home that have no birth certif. IF some forms of ID have no address they were also disqualified in some states. Depends on the State. I'd like to see everyone have an ID even though GOP claims of voter fraud are not close to accurate when one actually looks into it. One little side note-The Constitution says there will be no fees for voting but in some,obtaining the mandatory BC requires a fee. I also believe securing an ID should be easily accessible and not an issue of being denied or buried in a case of red tape in cases such as I mentioned where there is no Available Birth Certificate. When you come up with a good idea, that will not take away a person's right to vote, lhave your people talk to my people.
Religion to the constitution? Three I know of. Why?

Come on fish, if you are as intellectual as you like to believe, you have to know what I am referring to with the voter id question?

Why was a law requiring a valid ID to vote opposed by this administration?

Come on fish why is it not "disenfranchising" someone to require a valid ID to purchase a fire arm, yet to require one to vote it is "discriminatory"?

And fish you have to be a little more perceptive. I did not limit references to religion or God to just our Constitution. I said our founders govt. Big difference.

So how often was religion a part of govt back when our govt was first founded fish?

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NO shirt , no shoes? Bare feet in an establishment is a health risk, not stealth mode for prejudice unless you're speaking on behalf of the germs GST.

So then I can deny service and entrance to a dripping snot nosed little kid that refuses to cover his mouth when he is coughing because he presents a health risk to my other customers?

How about the gal in flip flops fish?

Indeed that rubber thong wear for the feet reduces exposure to the health risks associated with bare feet.

Come on fish it is not about health risks, it is about being offensive to other customers.

It appears you have no problem with this type discrimination as log as you can excuse it away and it meets your ideals.

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Why was a law requiring a valid ID to vote opposed by this administration?

We all know the answer don't we gst?  The reason is liberals don't give a crap about this nation, they only care about power and dictating their belief.   They know that the illegals will vote for them.  They want illegal voting.  An identification would stop illegal voting, and liberals don't want to stop it.  They have no respect for the rules.  They only respect their perverted ideology. 
They also hate profiling because it works.  If you were to profile the average liberal you would have:  Pro abortion, pro gay, anti men, pro women, actually anti minority (they just use them) anti religious, pro government (as long as they are in control).  It would appear everything traditional America holds dear liberals are trying to destroy.  Marriage is first in their sights.  Amoral people who can't stand anyone with principles.

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GST-voter ID? Have you looked at some of the requirements state by state and what's involved? I cited examples of problems that you've failed to respond to. Perhaps that lisp has gotten worse? I was also of the belief that voting was a right granted that shouldn't be taken away by special interest groups. As far as a universal, obtainable voter ID I already said that would be great however voter fraud on any kind of grand scale is a bologna. How about concentrating on problems that actually exist? AS far as your ID for a firearm that' really isn't true either. Private parties sell guns all the time with no ID, no reference and no paper trail of any kind. Seem right to you??.
BTW, bare feet are a health risk as well as "offensive" often times. The" offensiveness" can come from bacteria and fungus actively growing. And that Kid or adult that's hacking and coughing is promptly masked in my business as I often deal with people having compromised immune systems.
Ask me how a gay couple that enters an establishment is offensive? Were you referring to gay people that are ill or something else a little more prejudicial??
You seem to be doing the GST two step with Religion and government. Make your point . You seem to like to talk about things concerning our origins when you think it mimics your ideology. Let me ask you a question being you seem to live in a white and black world. What are you thoughts on anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of a judge or priest being put to death? Have you stoned all the daughters that were not virgins on their wedding night?
Plainsman-Right wing extremists will be the downfall of this nation. The sad thing is they don't realize they're pons being used by special interest groups.
Christianity is fine. When it becomes religion problems begin to develop as is exhibited by the prejudicial bigotted behavior that seems to follow many. one example-take away entitlements right? Like the 900,000 vets that receive snap every month. What about the kids? ARe you going to have the church take care of their medical and nutritional needs? Not enough money for that if you pillage the Vatican! You've probably heard, "poverty is complex, feeding children isn't."

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" I was also of the belief that voting was a right granted that shouldn't be taken away by special interest groups. "

If your head didn't reside deep inside your own colon you'd also realize that voter fraud is theft  and voter ID would mitigate that problem.  What "special interest groups" are you talking about?  You mean like the Black Panthers and illegal aliens?
A voter ID would be simple for any non-felon and legal citizen to provide.  A picture ID with residence can be a drivers license.  It can also be a state approved ID card with picture ID for those without a drivers license, our elderly and others would have ample time to get one and help would abound for them.  Leftists are afraid of voter ID for ONLY one reason, and that has already been mentioned.  They fear losing the edge voter fraud gives them.

"Ask me how a gay couple that enters an establishment is offensive?"

Nobody gives a flying crap what you in your distorted world sees as offensive.  The issue is what a private business owner sees as offensive on a private piece of ground he owns the rights to.

"Right wing extremists will be the downfall of this nation. "

What a fool.  Leftists are the already PROVEN downfall in the world, and for this nation.  Liberalism follows the lead of ancient Rome and Greece in their very last days.  Ignorant blind sheep fools being led by the ring in their nose by socialist dictators riding on a monetary system that is backed by corruption and immorality.  Again, what a fool.

The ISSUE in Arizona is a states issue, blown up to be something other than it truly is by leftists and liberal MEDIA.  This is an issue if anything of religious freedoms granted by the Constitution.  It is NOT an issue of gay marriage, or anything to do with queerland.  Religious freedom is guaranteed by the Constitution.  EVERY state should pass this law in a more clarified manner, and the federal clowns should stay out of it.  Of course we have the worst and most corrupt Attorney General of all time being led by the worst and most corrupt president of all time (see Holder's latest on Attorneys General of states and Obozo himself being allowed to ignore laws they don't like) so what more can we expect.  I doubt the governor of Arizona signs it as it is, but all 50 states need to enact similar but better defined legislation.

 

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alpy-Once again you exhibit your lack of ability to comprehend. I said a universal ID would be great. I also stated the problems I've noticed in my business with some elderly people that were born ,in house, and never received a birth certificate. When a certain state requires a birth certificate for voter ID and there isn't one they become buried and lose their right to vote. This was one example..
And yes, you're right, if it's your property you can behave in as bigoted manner as you see fit. That's what all those German Shepherds and southern cops were doing as they beat and water hosed the blacks during the civil rights marches.
And yes, right wing extremists will be the downfall of this country, as it was in ancient Rome when the power and wealth were disproportionally divided which resulted in a Plutocracy. This is the same kind of BS the Koch Bros. and the likes have been attempting to pump into the public at large from years. Mutlinational conglomerates attempting to tell the masses that what's good for them is good for you should be a simple issue to discuss and find the flaws. Once again they expect the masses to behave like an abused dog that licks the hand of the one that hacks off their tail and gives it to them for dinner.

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Alpy-Better defined legislation like ARizona? *LOL* Yea, that's it. It's simply a case of poor definition! YOu are a funny guy!!

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Ask me how a gay couple that enters an establishment is offensive?

It wouldn't be if I didn't know it.  However, they are so proud of themselves they have to tell everyone.  That and they have to  hold hands or make out more than heterosexuals.  If I didn't know what they did it wouldn't bother me.  It makes me feel physically ill when I think of what they do.  I can't help my lunch coming up when that crosses my mind.  Should I have to gag in a restaurant when two gays can't keep their hands to themselves?  If anyone doesn't understand that they have a problem. 

You know what?  I think many gays go looking for trouble.  I think that's why they make out in public.  They want to gross people out and cause problems.  I think they will destroy this nation.  The first step is destroying the family unit.  They start that by mocking marriage.

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"When a certain state requires a birth certificate for voter ID and there isn't one they become buried and lose their right to vote. "

ALL 50 states need to require voter ID.  To get one, if you do not have a photo ID such as a drivers license, you would only need to prove residency to get a state ID.  It is not a difficult idea no matter how hard the left wing extremists try to sell it.  Nobody wants elderly or any legal voter put into a situation where they could not vote, and they wouldn't be.  

" if it's your property you can behave in as bigoted manner as you see fit. "

A classic case of a leftist clown trying to turn a religious freedom Constitutional issue into a race related issue.   The word "bigoted" has simply become a word that radical leftists use to describe anything or anyone that doesn't agree with their tainted views on any given issue.  

"And yes, right wing extremists will be the downfall of this country, as it was in ancient Rome when the power and wealth were disproportionally divided which resulted in a Plutocracy."

This sheep not only does not understand history, he doesn't apparently understand the definition of the word plutocracy.  What made ancient Rome and Greece fall was the desecration and devalued monetary system.  That and a constant seizure of power from the people by big government.  I guess you not only have a complete misunderstanding of history, but zero understanding of basic economics.  What the likes of Obozo and liberalism in general are doing is exactly what Rome and Greece DID in their worst and last days.  LIBERALISM and SOCIALISM will be the downfall of this once great country.   Again, what a fool you are.  I do not like liberals, and I both hate and detest socialists.  But you I am beginning to feel sorry for, you may not be to blame.  You're not smart enough to be to blame.  You're just a blind and dumb sheep.

"This is the same kind of BS the Koch Bros. and the likes have been attempting to pump into the public at large from years. Mutlinational conglomerates"

Now this is where you once again show us not only how jaded and dumb you are, but how bigoted, prejudicial, and biased you are.   Also, notice no liberal can't go too far into a debate they always end up losing without yelling out BUSH! or KOCH BROS!!   This is where you know they're licking the floor with their own stupidity. 
Ahhhhh, the evil rich again.  That evil ambition, that evil success.  It doesn't matter how many thousands of good jobs or how much in taxes they pay, they're EVIL!   Yet, good old George Soros and the like get a free pass.    Good old George and others like him are socialist pigs, so they're good good guys!  

What gomers like fishmahn wants is a country where the citizen has no control, no liberty, no freedom, and no incentive.  Where the citizen can not become wealthy no matter what they create or do.  The big power statist socialist government will simply come in and SEIZE whatever goods or money the government doesn't feel you need.  The government will tell you what your religion is, what to eat and how to think.  This is what liberalism and dumb sheep like fishmahn want for this country.  Shared misery and poverty for all except for those at the very top.  That top is government, and those socialist power gods pulling the strings of government.  Only a true fool could possibly follow the ideals of socialism and liberalism in general.  Fools like fishmahn...

 

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alpy-what a crock of dribbling glub you spew! I realize it's just good business to have one of the 10 biggest polluters in this country telling everyone that pollution regulations are just oversteps by a big government and it will punish the "JOB providers" and add to higher costs!
They aren't even saying they should destroy the planet in the most environmentally friendly manner possible because even that will cut into their bottom line. Of the 97 counts against them(Koch bros.) for pollution in Corpus Christi, thanks to Bush the counts were reduced to 1 and the fine to less then 10 % of what it was initially through a plea bargain.. Doesn't matter if it's Benzene or fiberglass to them. If it has to be dumped it gets dumped . Certain entities have become beyond the law and they're working hard to kill the few laws that do pertain to them.
What "Neanderthals" like Alpy can't come to terms with is he';s not even in the ball game and unknown to him he is slowly and surely being phased out, The only sad part is he's the cheerleader to his own demise.

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fish why is it not disenfranchising someone to require and ID to purchase a firearm and yet it is to require an ID to vote?

Fish is the Obama administration working to require all private sales to require not only a valid ID but also a background check?

Why then would they  prevent states from doing no less to vote?

After all fish "I was also of the belief that voting was a right granted that shouldn't be taken away by special interest groups."

er I mean buying firearms not voting.

fish, I have not mentioned a thing about gays and businesses now have I?

And fish I am pretty direct and not two stepping much of anything. You claimed religion should not be a part of govt and I merely suggested that in our founding fathers govt religion was involved virtually every day in govt.

hard to argue that unless you wish to continue to rewrite history like you progressive enjoy doing.

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"What are you thoughts on anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of a judge or priest being put to death?"

What the hell are you talking about, in the republic we have/once had, the rule of law determines why someone should be executed. The different branches of government allows for checks and balances to ensure any one branch does not overstep the bounds put in place by the people.

So what the hell is your question even about?

And fish the 900,000 vets you mention as well as active duty personal would be provided for far before Shaniqua and her 13 kids by most every conservative I know.
 
fish is there NOTHING of the progressive liberal agenda you will not make excuses for?

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"one of the 10 biggest polluters in this country telling everyone that pollution regulations are just oversteps by a big government and it will punish the "JOB providers" and add to higher costs!"
 
ALL big business pollutes from GM to GE to Exxon.  It is scope and scale that is at issue here.  We were told the BP disaster would destroy the Gulf.  That was a disaster, and how is the Gulf today?  NOBODY wants a polluted world, this is just another dumb regressive liberal trying to sell a pack of lies to further a political agenda.  This is what you get from regressive liberals.  Anthropogenic global warming just one of dozens of examples, and one of their own turned on them again recently!  One of the co-founders of Greenpeace admitted he left the joke of an organization because their goals had went from scientific to political.  He also added that there was NO proof of man caused climate change, agreeing with hundreds of esteemed members of science in the field.  Boo hoo hoo for the chicken littles and the blind and dumb sheep that follow them.

"Doesn't matter if it's Benzene or fiberglass to them. If it has to be dumped it gets dumped "

Well then why doesn't OBOZO and his band of merry thieves do something about this if it were true?  Why aren't the blind dumb sheep marching on Washington?

"What "Neanderthals" like Alpy can't come to terms with is he';s not even in the ball game and unknown to him he is slowly and surely being phased out,"

Now here is a gasping regressive liberal crying in his undies!   "Not even in the ball game"...  "being phased out".   By who?  Dumb azz leftists like you and OBOZO??  HE's the most hated and despised president in history and for good reason.  We'll see who's phased out in November, when conservatives take and hold BOTH Houses of Congress.  Obozo is already a lame duck.  He is done.  The damage is great, but this country can recover.  It will take a strong surge of free enterprise and capitalism to do it.  In the meantime every good American should stick their boot in the eye of the blind sheep regressive liberals at every opportunity!
If this were true why doesn't your dim witted buddy OBOZO and his band of merry thieves do something about it?  Where is the humanity!

 

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OK since this is about tolerance lets look at the headlines on Drudge.

UPDATE: 'Religious Freedom Restoration Act'...

Pressure mounts over bill opposed by gays...

Hollywood Bar Bans Anti-Gay Lawmakers...

The law in question in Arizona simply protects our religious rights.  Gay's are afraid they can't sue a bakery that will not make a cake for Bobby and Billy because their religion says it's wrong.  I would guess this would apply to Muslims too so please no Christian hating.

Second the gays oppose it based on their rights trump the first amendment I guess.

Now to showcase liberal intolerance.  If you don't agree with them they will ban you from their establishment.   Doesn't sound like tolerance to me. 

So we have the first amendment that says government stays out of religion and we are guaranteed our religious freedom.  If some liberal can show me in the constitution where gay rights are more constitutional than religious rights  please do so.

I think it is kind of embarrassing. But at least it allows anyone do discriminate against anyone. Gay, christian, muslim, atheist. Probably even be able to find a business in AZ that specifically denies Christians. 

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 Probably even be able to find a business in AZ that specifically denies Christians. 

Could be.  Maybe some Muslim wouldn't want to take pictures in a church.  That's reasonable.   Why force someone to do something that makes them think they are going to be punished by God?  It perhaps gives some atheists an orgasm to do that, but then hate turns them on. 

I purchased a good T Shirt in Texas.  It says "I'm not politically correct, but I am correct".   Much wisdom in that short statement.  Most often the political correct are wrong. 

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 Here is my problem with the GOP right now and this actually goes back to the original topic.   Cramer and Hoeven went to DC promising to get eh nations fiscal mess in order.  They have since voted to continue the big spending and crony capitalism.   Nobody seems to care. 

But, if one of them voted the wrong way on gays, abortion, or birth control there would be hell to pay.  

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You guys are offending the queers.

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And fishmahn who is adamant that refusing service to someone is only a liberals right

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And fishmahn who is adamant that refusing service to someone is only a liberals right

All joking aside that's the way they actually look at it.  Religious nope you have no rights, but if you man who lusts for another man the world owes you.  

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 Probably even be able to find a business in AZ that specifically denies Christians. 

Could be.  Maybe some Muslim wouldn't want to take pictures in a church.  That's reasonable.   Why force someone to do something that makes them think they are going to be punished by God?  It perhaps gives some atheists an orgasm to do that, but then hate turns them on. 

I purchased a good T Shirt in Texas.  It says "I'm not politically correct, but I am correct".   Much wisdom in that short statement.  Most often the political correct are wrong. 

Just saying that at least this law is equal. If a Jew wants to deny service to a Christian is is perfectly legal. 

Your typical Christain thinks they will be punished by god for making a gay man a burger? And would these business owners deny all sinners or just the gays?

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Your typical Christain thinks they will be punished by god for making a gay man a burger?

I used a Muslim taking pictures in a church for a reason.  The reason was to duck sill questions from Christian haters.  I would expect the Chrisitian would give the gay man a burger if he was hungry.  Now if the guy wants the Christian or the Muslim to take pictures of his gay honeymoon they may object. 
Even though we are laughing at people who consider themselves tolerant your kind enough to come on and exhibit just what we are talking about.  By the way where did you pull that question about Christians and burgers from?  From your anti Christian bias I would guess.  Which indicates to me that it didn't bother you when I used the Muslim example.  So you  are tolerant of Muslims I guess. 

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 Here is my problem with the GOP right now and this actually goes back to the original topic.   Cramer and Hoeven went to DC promising to get eh nations fiscal mess in order.  They have since voted to continue the big spending and crony capitalism.   Nobody seems to care. 

But, if one of them voted the wrong way on gays, abortion, or birth control there would be hell to pay.  

Add the red head in there and I would likely agree with you.

what do you suppose would happen if Joel's sister voted for traditional marriage?

The "party of tolerance" isn't as "tolerant" as they like people to believe.

I heard that was a close second for "lie of the year".

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Gst, speaking of the lie of the year race. Did you happen to see who took second, third and fourth? In particular check out who took fourth and what was said. Here is a hint, I called her out for who she is and in particular for the comments that took fourth place in the lie of the year, then you started to play 6 degrees of Gary Johnson. Ring a bell?

 

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Everyone who believes people should be treated equally whether it is race, religion, or orientation should love things like this not protest them. It takes the guess work out of things. With media, both mass and social, what it is today a bigot/hater can be exposed instantly and everyone can act accordingly by not patronizing those places. Hurting their pocketbooks(the part that really matters) while giving those who enjoy everyone's money equally a good chance to be successful. When someone's "beliefs" causes their business to fail they might actually treat people better or find another economic path. Need for government involvement=zero.

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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Gst, speaking of the lie of the year race. Did you happen to see who took second, third and fourth? In particular check out who took fourth and what was said. Here is a hint, I called her out for who she is and in particular for the comments that took fourth place in the lie of the year, then you started to play 6 degrees of Gary Johnson. Ring a bell?

Marble, have you forgotten the explanation of WHY  this will likely happen Ms. Coulter included with this statement?

How can it be proven a lie when it has not yet had the time to play out as she explained it?

Do you really want to revisit that debate?

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Everyone who believes people should be treated equally whether it is race, religion, or orientation should love things like this not protest them. It takes the guess work out of things. With media, both mass and social, what it is today a bigot/hater can be exposed instantly and everyone can act accordingly by not patronizing those places. Hurting their pocketbooks(the part that really matters) while giving those who enjoy everyone's money equally a good chance to be successful. When someone's "beliefs" causes their business to fail they might actually treat people better or find another economic path. Need for government involvement=zero.

Naw, that would never work, the govt has to run our lives.

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I see the governor of Arizona vetoed the bill we talked about.  It was crafted following Adams and Jeffersons example, but in today's world a minority bullied the majority.  We have a federal first Amendment, but not all states have protection for freedom of religion.  Many do, but Arizona did not.  That is all they were trying to do, but the hypocrites want protection by denying it to others. 

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'Your typical Christain thinks they will be punished by god for making a gay man a burger? "

I don't think this is a legitimate question.  I don't believe even a liberal can be this jaded or dumb.  This is a planted and proposed rhetorical question to serve a leftist purpose.  Of course, any Christian would feed a hungry man and I believe most all Christian or not would sell any man including a gay man a burger.  Now if you have a guy come in hanging on another guy giving him a hickey and asking for a burger most anyone would kick the two gomers out the door, and they should have every right to.  Same goes for a guy and a gal doing the same thing.

Anderson Cooper is mad about this?  Is anyone surprised?  He's as blind and  biased as Piers Morgan is.  He's certainly got a special interest here.  Part of the gay Mafia.

 

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Gst you make me laugh. You think that was a debate? I said ann coulter sucks and is a liar. Not much to debate there. Then you did what you always do and keep trying and trying to find some weird angle to try to "paint someone in a corner" hence the six degrees of Gary Johnson comment. So you would agree with her in saying that no American doctor will accept obamacare? That is a simple yes or no gst. The same entity that voted for the you can keep your doctor as the lie of the year gave her fourth place for that exact comment, which is impressive since the top three lies were from politicians.

 

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alpy-Anderson Cooper is blind and biased? Imagine someone like you saying that? Did you somehow miss the interview? He simply asks a question about the convoluted "misunderstood " proposed law. He continues by asking about it's possible consequences and the unbiased
"conservative" fails miserably to address any of the possible ramifications. This is.... because Arizona is such a "people" friendly state? YOu know, ...the state that recently had their own version of real time death panels to waiting transplant patients. They eventually were denied and died by the republican legislature and the wicked witch of west Brewer!

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 "He simply asks a question about the convoluted "misunderstood " proposed law. He continues by asking about it's possible consequences"
 
Consequences?   You mean like denying the freedom of religion to a private business owner on his own property?  What other, consequences and "ramifications"? I agree the bill needs to be better defined and clarified.  All 50 states should enact such legislation.

" the wicked witch of west Brewer! "

This is beautiful!   A booger eating leftist hating on Governor Brewer for being conservative and flipping Obozo off.   She doesn't kiss OBOZO's stinking socialist azz and the liberals dump on her.  She is an example of what a leader should be, governing for the people instead of against the people.   She's not perfect, no politician is, but leaders of our states like herself and Bobby J and Kasich and Walker and Pence and many more is the kind of honest leadership this nation is starving for.

 

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