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Another thing. After my wife and I had our second child, she was diagnosed with colon cancer, and shortly thereafter had to have a total hysterectomy. So, for us, no more biological children. We are now starting down the road of adoption and when looking at the MOUNTAINS of paperwork, months or possibly years of waiting, and not-inconsiderable expense, the thought of people aborting babies makes my heart ache. There are many people in my/our position, who would love and welcome a child, and there are others (you can't deny that sometimes this happens) don't want the inconvenience.

That is a shame.

I think that is a big thing to consider. I wish we would stop paying people to have babies that keep them and refuse to raise them while so many other just want the opportinity to raise children in a manner that at least gives them a chance.

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 I am against abortion because I believe it is impossible for me to know when life begins.  Does it start when the baby is born?  What about a month before that?  Is it when a baby can live outside the womb which today is before 20 weeks?  Is it when the heart beats?  To me its about respect for life.

I have to laugh when some of you say "I'm personally against abortion but I can't say what a woman can do with her body".   If you are against abortion, than you must be against it because you believe it is a human.  If it is indeed a human, how can you say it is alright for a women to kill it.  It may be in her body but it certainly is another person.

For you that are for abortion, where do you draw the line and why?  Is it OK to abort a baby at 9 months?  Why not?  Is it OK to kill a one month old child?  Why not?  Is not an 8 month baby in the womb just as much a human as a child that was out of the womb for one month?  What is the difference?

And while it may be hard for a woman to go through a pregnancy with a child from a rape, is it right for her to abort the baby?  It is not that baby's fault that it was created.  Why must we let it be killed?

It's far too easy for people to say they are for abortion.  I don't think many have thought these questions through.  If so, please educate me.  Please tell me when life starts and what the difference is between a one month child and one that is one month from being born.  I want to know.

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So now you are just going to vote Democrat?

Looks a lot better after today.  And no I won't apologize for that.  I guess I'll just cancel out your vote next time if you are going to vote for those same backward legislators and our dumbass governor again.

Voting democrat would be like getting an abortion.   You will have to live with the gilt and regret of both actions the rest of your life

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jaykay Said:
Another thing. After my wife and I had our second child, she was diagnosed with colon cancer, and shortly thereafter had to have a total hysterectomy. So, for us, no more biological children. We are now starting down the road of adoption and when looking at the MOUNTAINS of paperwork, months or possibly years of waiting, and not-inconsiderable expense, the thought of people aborting babies makes my heart ache. There are many people in my/our position, who would love and welcome a child, and there are others (you can't deny that sometimes this happens) don't want the inconvenience.

That is a shame.

I think that is a big thing to consider. I wish we would stop paying people to have babies that keep them and refuse to raise them while so many other just want the opportinity to raise children in a manner that at least gives them a chance.

It took my parents years to adopt they said.  Not an easy process and there are lots of people praying for the chance to adopt.  Meanwhile not only are abortion happening, most of the population supports it.  We have a meltdown occuring in our society.

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You know, with all the debate on this subject from a variety of angles, there seems to be one thing people on both sides forget.....unwanted pregnancy is 100% preventable if one so chooses.

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doublebarrelsaloon Said:

jaykay Said:
Another thing. After my wife and I had our second child, she was diagnosed with colon cancer, and shortly thereafter had to have a total hysterectomy. So, for us, no more biological children. We are now starting down the road of adoption and when looking at the MOUNTAINS of paperwork, months or possibly years of waiting, and not-inconsiderable expense, the thought of people aborting babies makes my heart ache. There are many people in my/our position, who would love and welcome a child, and there are others (you can't deny that sometimes this happens) don't want the inconvenience.

That is a shame.

I think that is a big thing to consider. I wish we would stop paying people to have babies that keep them and refuse to raise them while so many other just want the opportinity to raise children in a manner that at least gives them a chance.

It took my parents years to adopt they said.  Not an easy process and there are lots of people praying for the chance to adopt.  Meanwhile not only are abortion happening, most of the population supports it.  We have a meltdown occuring in our society.

I do believe adoption should be a difficult thing considering what we are dealing with and considering the outcome is worth it. What I do find shameful however is how many children are being born and being treated like garbage by their parents who get a blindly written check for it.  It does sound hypocritical though that children are protected so much on the adoption side yet left in the gutter on the other.

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Musky, how in the case of rape is pregnancy 100% preventable?

 

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Or should the rape victim just plan ahead better?

 

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It took my parents years to adopt they said.  Not an easy process and there are lots of people praying for the chance to adopt.  Meanwhile not only are abortion happening, most of the population supports it.  We have a meltdown occuring in our society.

My father was adopted, had his biological mother been "pro choice" I wouldnt be here, my sister wouldnt, her 3 kids wouldnt, my 4 kids wouldnt, my granddaughter wouldnt....etc.

A pretty pathetic "choice" to be made.

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There is plan B. But, some consider that abortion too.

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 Anyone ever tried Rotel in tater tot hotdish??

nope but we picked up some JD Salsa mix at the Sportsman show ... and BAM that makes a great dip with Rotel diced tomaters ..


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You know, with all the debate on this subject from a variety of angles, there seems to be one thing people on both sides forget.....unwanted pregnancy is 100% preventable if one so chooses.

And in this is where the road turns from Good into Evil.

 Mankinds downfall is thinking that just because he "knows" how to do something doesn't mean he should! 
That has been the battle since the beginning in the garden. Culture after culture, after culture sliding down a slippery slope of child sacrifice.
In studies it has been found that for every 100 cycles that a woman is on the pill, two to ten "children" are spontanously aborted because the fertilized egg is unable to attach itself to the wall of the uterus as it is thinned by the chemicals in the pill. 
So every eight years, two to ten "kids" have die because of a "choice" to take the pill. 
You are causing the death of a gift, and don't even know it!  Now you do! 
 
The Lord Blessed the Hebrews as they were the only culture in that region which did not practice Human Sacrifice. 

No wonder God wanted entire cultures decimated. 

As men gain "knowledge" they "fall" back to killing the most innocent of Human Beings who have no voice with which to protest. He hears their silent cries and He will extract Justice.
It is an archaeological fact that the Gentile cultures in the "Land" practiced various forms of human sacrifice, not just something written in a Book that some "choose" to not believe.

 Smile as from this day forward you can Choose Life.

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Tim, I take it you made your mind up now that you are pro life regardless of life of the mother? Because just a little while back you were torn on that issue. Now you shouldn't be torn because you don't really have a choice do you? Our state government just decided to make that choice for you.

 

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How come everyone is for less government control and personal responsibility until it comes to an issue like this?
 

I am not for abortion, can't imagine not having my kids. I was married to a gal who had an abortion when she was young before I knew her. As some have stated earlier it did haunt her relentlessly. She ended up having a complete nervous breakdown which I think her past helped contribute to.

But, that being said and I am the type of person who believes government should have a very small influence in my life. I don't think it's goverment's place to decide this issue, it should be between God, a priest, a woman, her family, etc. 

I wonder if we could better serve our wants by setting up booths by aborton clinics trying to tell woman that they have options. I know if we did this babies would be saved. If we paid for couples to tell woman walking into an abortion clinic that they would adopt their unborn babies I believe most of these women would have a change of heart.

But, you can't honestly believe in less government, less big-brother, the GOP way of thinking is the right way and then want government to step in and run this situation. Approach this problem from the private sector.You can't pick and choose wherther you are for big government or small govermnet depending on the issue.

If I am not mistaken ND only has one abortion clinic which is located in Fargo. If anyone would like to fund me---- food , wages, hotel, etc to man a spot outside of the clinic located in Farge or elsewhere I would be honored to spend my time trying to convince  women to take a different path.

But if we are truley a GOP state let's be true to our believes and keep goverment out of our lifes and this issue.

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 Great news! The Gov. Did the right thing!   He has more balls tha most to stand up for the defenseless and against the murder of the innocent.    If we cannot spend a few extra dollars to fight the immoral crazies that want to run your state, then we might as well roll over as a bunch of whimps.   

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Westerneagle Said:

MuskyManiac Said:
You know, with all the debate on this subject from a variety of angles, there seems to be one thing people on both sides forget.....unwanted pregnancy is 100% preventable if one so chooses.

And in this is where the road turns from Good into Evil.

 Mankinds downfall is thinking that just because he "knows" how to do something doesn't mean he should! 
That has been the battle since the beginning in the garden. Culture after culture, after culture sliding down a slippery slope of child sacrifice.
In studies it has been found that for every 100 cycles that a woman is on the pill, two to ten "children" are spontanously aborted because the fertilized egg is unable to attach itself to the wall of the uterus as it is thinned by the chemicals in the pill. 
So every eight years, two to ten "kids" have die because of a "choice" to take the pill. 
You are causing the death of a gift, and don't even know it!  Now you do! 
 
The Lord Blessed the Hebrews as they were the only culture in that region which did not practice Human Sacrifice. 

No wonder God wanted entire cultures decimated. 

As men gain "knowledge" they "fall" back to killing the most innocent of Human Beings who have no voice with which to protest. He hears their silent cries and He will extract Justice.
It is an archaeological fact that the Gentile cultures in the "Land" practiced various forms of human sacrifice, not just something written in a Book that some "choose" to not believe.

 Smile as from this day forward you can Choose Life.

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This is great news as far as Im concerned. I dont mind the extra $10 i might pay extra in taxes to do what is right. I hope he gets to the white house and ends abortion and same sex marriage completely. Has anyone watched  The BIble series on the History channel the last few weeks? If we as country keep heading down the road we are currently on, we are all f'd.

Amen, brother!

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I don't care what it costs to protect babies from being murdered but for those of you where money is your primary concern, this quote is from the Tribune "Sitte said the Liberty Counsel and the Thomas More Law Center have expressed interest in footing the bill to defend the bills in court."

Bottom of this page if you care to see for yourself:
http://bismarcktribune.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/of-abortion-bills-pass/article_b0a07cbe-9379-11e2-bde0-0019bb2963f4.html

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I have an idea, how about they fund this fight by using pure donation money? That way those of you who want the fight can put your money where your mouth is. Not only that but they would get a ton of money from other people in other states. Not trying to be a dick or anything because ultimately the pro life side is talking about not wanting to kill someone. I just don't see it as black and white like some of you do. One size does not fit all.

I have a hard time thinking I should have a say if a women gets raped or possibly might lose their life giving birth that they have no choice. If you do great, then fund the fight because for those two reasons alone I don't want to spend a dime on it. In the end we will be paying for both sides of this fight (federal dollars and state dollars). Just my opinion.

 

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Remember on April 15 that 2 out of every 3 babies born in ND is paid for by us taxpayers

Wow, it’s just about the money.  Maybe parents should be responsible instead of having kids for the welfare check. 

 

Start making the men or i should say boys pay for the child they are about to conceive to prove their manhood and maybe the women would not have to chose.

Ahhh now there is the answer.

 

I have issues with these bills in general as I always prided myself on North Dakota values being a personal code, not one that is legislated onto others. I have children, and I am personally pro-life. That's the key word. Personally....It is not my place to demand I have a say

 

That’s simply a sly way of ducking your responsibility.  The way for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.  With to many people  with the above attitude this country will go to hell fast.

I am against abortion because I believe it is impossible for me to know when life begins. Does it start when the baby is born? What about a month before that? Is it when a baby can live outside the womb which today is before 20 weeks? Is it when the heart beats? To me its about respect for life.

I like this.  Mostly because it's honest. 

Scientists get all excited about a single cell in a Martian rock they found in the Antarctic.  They get excited because they say it's proof life exists on Mars.  So for science life begins with a single living cell, but many like to misrepresent science.  Often scientists misrepresent it themselves for personal bias. 

I see one person thinks that because pro life people are pro life that they are automatically against birth control.  That's a very dumb or dishonest debate technique.  What this technique includes is trying to link a subject you disagree with to something absurd that others will automatically disagree with.  It works if your talking to stupid people.

Others asked if we know anyone who has had an abortion.  Our neighbor girl has had five abortions and the doctor said if she didn't keep the last one she would have to much damage to have children.  I also know a couple of adult women who have had abortions that has haunted them for years.  I suppose it doesn't do that to every woman.  It would require a concience, but that evidently happens after the abortion for to many women. 

Like others I have adopted relatives.  Now they are in turn are adopting children themselves.  Friends in Jamestown have had to travel out  of the United States to find childen to adopt.  Some from Russia, others from Japan etc.  That would tend to make me think there is room for children in families that want them.

The problem now is many or most abortions are paid for by tax dollars or insurance.  That makes us all part of every death.  The blood is on our hands so don't pretend it isn't.  Those that say it's none of your business, well I hate to break the news to you but your part of that killing just as I am and I'm sick of it.  I have the right not to be a part of it, and I am going to speak up.  The first thing I will do is send a message of thank you to the governor.

I think the problem is generational.  Our public schools are very liberal, and if you notice or not they pound liberal ideas into the children.  If you come from a hunting family you recognize anti hunting bias.  If you notice your not as subject to the suggestions of a liberal teacher.  However, things like abortion are taught early and sucked in without question.  Those who speak for abortion have been greatly affected by the liberal public school system and are no more aware of it than Pavlov's dog. . 

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 Right on Plainsman.............I agree with your logic and I am proud that Gov. jack has the Gonads to do the right thing.   

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 Excellent questions, Espringers, and food for thought.  Unfortunately few here are hungry, or even recognize hunger when it is equated with thought or knowledge of a subject they think they understand.
When  I was younger I had all the answers, but now that I,m an old fuddy  duddy I realize I don,t even have all the questions, much less many answers!
But I,ll think about your questions when I rot in jail as a felon!  And I guess you buck tag applicants will have one less buck applicant to worry about, being a felon and in jail with the rest of my former partners.  
Another's retired old doc like me emailed me today and thought we might be OK andnot have to spend our last days in jail in that they,ll need us old pre Roe vs Wade guys who are still kind of knowledgable how to treat terrible devestation from the back alley abortionists - terrible stuff that the young docs  have never seen or had to try to treat, a lot of times unsuccessfully!  Even though we haven,t had to see that kind of horror for close to 50 years!
Espringers, will theconservatives also throw in IVF couples who have donated embryos for medical research like for MS,ALS, Parlinsons, Cancers, etc?  Oh wait, we are already the only modern country that can,t use them and do research on these diseases with stem cells already, despite Nancy Regans efforts!   

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BringingTheRain Said:

Westerneagle Said:

MuskyManiac Said:
You know, with all the debate on this subject from a variety of angles, there seems to be one thing people on both sides forget.....unwanted pregnancy is 100% preventable if one so chooses.

And in this is where the road turns from Good into Evil.

 Mankinds downfall is thinking that just because he "knows" how to do something doesn't mean he should! 
That has been the battle since the beginning in the garden. Culture after culture, after culture sliding down a slippery slope of child sacrifice.
In studies it has been found that for every 100 cycles that a woman is on the pill, two to ten "children" are spontanously aborted because the fertilized egg is unable to attach itself to the wall of the uterus as it is thinned by the chemicals in the pill. 
So every eight years, two to ten "kids" have die because of a "choice" to take the pill. 
You are causing the death of a gift, and don't even know it!  Now you do! 
 
The Lord Blessed the Hebrews as they were the only culture in that region which did not practice Human Sacrifice. 

No wonder God wanted entire cultures decimated. 

As men gain "knowledge" they "fall" back to killing the most innocent of Human Beings who have no voice with which to protest. He hears their silent cries and He will extract Justice.
It is an archaeological fact that the Gentile cultures in the "Land" practiced various forms of human sacrifice, not just something written in a Book that some "choose" to not believe.

 Smile as from this day forward you can Choose Life.

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Well said bdog. Might I add  the comments that are on here today are all from dudes. The women I have talked to today and the comments  I have seen online, women are not happy about this. Pretty easy for us guys to sit back and say what can/cannot happen to woman's body. Yes it takes two to tango, but ultimately the women develops/carries/gives birth.

I would be willing to guess, many people on here "pro-life" are religious and republican. I am sure many of you are all for smaller government, support the constitution, etc, etc, so why would you support government intrusion for this case? I would bet it is more because of your faith. Which is absolutely fine. If you do not support abortion in any way, then do what you need to do to educate for family and friends about why you believe abortion is wrong. Donate money, start fundraisers for awareness, start a webpage. Do something proactive. Abortions are going to happen whether you all like it or not. Legal or not legal. What good does this law do, besides likely cause a bunch of lawsuits? Six weeks? is that really enough time for a woman to even know she's pregnant? No one...not even the wondrous Jack Dalrymple should have the right to sign such rubbish.

And for the record I am not a republican or democrat. I have learned over the  years that both parties have done and do their fair share of stupid shit that has dragged this country down. Politicians love these types of issues because it splits America down the middle and accomplishes absolutely nothing all while distracting from more pressing matters.

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How come everyone is for less government control and personal responsibility until it comes to an issue like this?
 

I am not for abortion, can't imagine not having my kids. I was married to a gal who had an abortion when she was young before I knew her. As some have stated earlier it did haunt her relentlessly. She ended up having a complete nervous breakdown which I think her past helped contribute to.

But, that being said and I am the type of person who believes government should have a very small influence in my life. I don't think it's goverment's place to decide this issue, it should be between God, a priest, a woman, her family, etc. 

I wonder if we could better serve our wants by setting up booths by aborton clinics trying to tell woman that they have options. I know if we did this babies would be saved. If we paid for couples to tell woman walking into an abortion clinic that they would adopt their unborn babies I believe most of these women would have a change of heart.

But, you can't honestly believe in less government, less big-brother, the GOP way of thinking is the right way and then want government to step in and run this situation. Approach this problem from the private sector.You can't pick and choose wherther you are for big government or small govermnet depending on the issue.

If I am not mistaken ND only has one abortion clinic which is located in Fargo. If anyone would like to fund me---- food , wages, hotel, etc to man a spot outside of the clinic located in Farge or elsewhere I would be honored to spend my time trying to convince  women to take a different path.

But if we are truley a GOP state let's be true to our believes and keep goverment out of our lifes and this issue.

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 Good for You Jack!!! This gives me a little more hope for at least ND anyhow. I will spend my taxes on saving babies any day of the week and two times on Sunday.

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I would be willing to guess, many people on here "pro-life" are religious and republican. I am sure many of you are all for smaller government, support the constitution, etc, etc, so why would you support government intrusion for this case?

I'll answer that question with a question to you....do you support government intrusion (laws/police) to protect you and your family outside of the womb from murder?  I'll assume you do, then tell me why humans on the other side of the womb don't deserve the same protection?  Are they any less human?  Yes, it's really that simple. 

And those of you that keep throwing out rape and life threatening situations...how about we have that discussion after we stop the 99% of abortions for reasons other than these two.

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why would you support government intrusion for this case?

I don't.  I don't support them taking my money to pay for an abortion for some libeal woman who does't want a male child, for some woman who doesn't want to use a condom, for some woman who can't keep her legs together.  Someone said we voluntary contributions.  If they used that for abortions I wouldn't have to be part of your child killing.

will theconservatives also throw in IVF couples who have donated embryos for medical research like for MS,ALS, Parlinsons, Cancers, etc? Oh wait, we are already the only modern country that can,t use them

bobkat don't go preying on the low information people.  We can do stem cell research, we are doing stem cell research, and we have all the stem cells we need from the supply that was available when we stopped the use of aborted fetus stem cells.  What was it about 160 stem cell lines that were being used and not affected by the ban?  From those stem cells we have all that we need.  Wanting more is misleading.  People should understand that we can replicate all we need from that source.   They claimed that could not be done at the time of the ban, but we are replicating now, and don't need to raise unborn children for slaughter anymore. 

The women I have talked to today and the comments I have seen online, women are not happy about this.

You must be hanging around some very self centered women.  The women I talked with today are very happy about it.  I know a woman who was Miss North Dakota a few years ago.  She has been involved asking people to call the governor and ask him to sign those bills.  I think I have talked to more than a dozen women and it has been unanimous that they want the bills to pass and the governor to sign them. 

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I would be willing to guess, many people on here "pro-life" are religious and republican. I am sure many of you are all for smaller government, support the constitution, etc, etc, so why would you support government intrusion for this case?

I'll answer that question with a question to you....do you support government intrusion (laws/police) to protect you and your family outside of the womb from murder?  I'll assume you do, then tell me why humans on the other side of the womb don't deserve the same protection?  Are they any less human?  Yes, it's really that simple. 

And those of you that keep throwing out rape and life threatening situations...how about we have that discussion after we stop the 99% of abortions for reasons other than these two.

Amen my brotha!!

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Thanks to all that believe that life is precious! Our forefathers would roll In their grave if the knew what we do to our unborn children in this nation! Those of you that believe in abortion just be happy your parents didn't share that belief when you were conceived! Sorry! A Christian person cannot believe that abortion is a acceptable method of birth control! Shame on those that do!

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Westerneagle Said:

MuskyManiac Said:
You know, with all the debate on this subject from a variety of angles, there seems to be one thing people on both sides forget.....unwanted pregnancy is 100% preventable if one so chooses.

And in this is where the road turns from Good into Evil.

 Mankinds downfall is thinking that just because he "knows" how to do something doesn't mean he should! 
That has been the battle since the beginning in the garden. Culture after culture, after culture sliding down a slippery slope of child sacrifice.
In studies it has been found that for every 100 cycles that a woman is on the pill, two to ten "children" are spontanously aborted because the fertilized egg is unable to attach itself to the wall of the uterus as it is thinned by the chemicals in the pill. 
So every eight years, two to ten "kids" have die because of a "choice" to take the pill. 
You are causing the death of a gift, and don't even know it!  Now you do! 
 
The Lord Blessed the Hebrews as they were the only culture in that region which did not practice Human Sacrifice. 

No wonder God wanted entire cultures decimated. 

As men gain "knowledge" they "fall" back to killing the most innocent of Human Beings who have no voice with which to protest. He hears their silent cries and He will extract Justice.
It is an archaeological fact that the Gentile cultures in the "Land" practiced various forms of human sacrifice, not just something written in a Book that some "choose" to not believe.

 Smile as from this day forward you can Choose Life.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I think the jokes on you pal.

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I would be willing to guess, many people on here "pro-life" are religious and republican. I am sure many of you are all for smaller government, support the constitution, etc, etc, so why would you support government intrusion for this case?

I'll answer that question with a question to you....do you support government intrusion (laws/police) to protect you and your family outside of the womb from murder?  I'll assume you do, then tell me why humans on the other side of the womb don't deserve the same protection?  Are they any less human?  Yes, it's really that simple. 

And those of you that keep throwing out rape and life threatening situations...how about we have that discussion after we stop the 99% of abortions for reasons other than these two.

I support the right for people to make their own decisions on abortion even though it may conflict with my own personal beliefs and opinions.

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why would you support government intrusion for this case?

I don't.  I don't support them taking my money to pay for an abortion for some libeal woman who does't want a male child, for some woman who doesn't want to use a condom, for some woman who can't keep her legs together.  Someone said we voluntary contributions.  If they used that for abortions I wouldn't have to be part of your child killing.

Really?? My child killing? Give me a fucking break. No where did I say I approve of abortion. I simply stated its none of my or anyone else's business to decide  what a woman should do with her body. Go fly a kite.

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ok so i'm discussing this with some buddies here.
Is this FINAL. or does it have to go through the Senate still?

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 Odocoileus in many cases our tax dollars pay for abortions.  That makes you and I part of every child killed.  I don't want to be a part of it.  The only way to avoid that is to ban abortion if we can.  Do  you think the liberals will stop the government assisted infanticide?  No way will they abandon their base.
 
Make no mistake each of us are part of this.  We are either part of the solution or part of the problem.  There is no riding the fence.  Your either for infanticide or you are not.  There is no excuse that lets any of us  off the hook.  Some of you say we have no right to tell other people what to do.   When your tax dollar is used you do have a right.  When the innocent are being killed you have an obligation to voice your opinion. 

I often wonder why in this world it's so hard to do the right thing, but easy to just go along for the ride and do the wrong thing? 

 

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On that notion, didn't your tax dollars go to the auto companies during the bailout?  Don't some of those vehicles kill people.  Quit supporting death by vehicle!


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I support the right for people to make their own decisions on abortion even though it may conflict with my own personal beliefs and opinions.

All due respect, odocoileus, but I don't see how a person can not see that abortion is no different than a murder that takes place in our schools or on a street corner. How can we be against those murders but say it is none of our business when it is taking the life of any innocent baby. 

bigGameHunter - it is final, unless overturned by a court.

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You know, with all the debate on this subject from a variety of angles, there seems to be one thing people on both sides forget.....unwanted pregnancy is 100% preventable if one so chooses.

And in this is where the road turns from Good into Evil.

 Mankinds downfall is thinking that just because he "knows" how to do something doesn't mean he should! 
That has been the battle since the beginning in the garden. Culture after culture, after culture sliding down a slippery slope of child sacrifice.
In studies it has been found that for every 100 cycles that a woman is on the pill, two to ten "children" are spontanously aborted because the fertilized egg is unable to attach itself to the wall of the uterus as it is thinned by the chemicals in the pill. 
So every eight years, two to ten "kids" have die because of a "choice" to take the pill. 
You are causing the death of a gift, and don't even know it!  Now you do! 
 
The Lord Blessed the Hebrews as they were the only culture in that region which did not practice Human Sacrifice. 

No wonder God wanted entire cultures decimated. 

As men gain "knowledge" they "fall" back to killing the most innocent of Human Beings who have no voice with which to protest. He hears their silent cries and He will extract Justice.
It is an archaeological fact that the Gentile cultures in the "Land" practiced various forms of human sacrifice, not just something written in a Book that some "choose" to not believe.

 Smile as from this day forward you can Choose Life.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Didn't you mean ?

No, silly. I don't believe in god or the devil

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BringingTheRain Said:

Westerneagle Said:

MuskyManiac Said:
You know, with all the debate on this subject from a variety of angles, there seems to be one thing people on both sides forget.....unwanted pregnancy is 100% preventable if one so chooses.

And in this is where the road turns from Good into Evil.

 Mankinds downfall is thinking that just because he "knows" how to do something doesn't mean he should! 
That has been the battle since the beginning in the garden. Culture after culture, after culture sliding down a slippery slope of child sacrifice.
In studies it has been found that for every 100 cycles that a woman is on the pill, two to ten "children" are spontanously aborted because the fertilized egg is unable to attach itself to the wall of the uterus as it is thinned by the chemicals in the pill. 
So every eight years, two to ten "kids" have die because of a "choice" to take the pill. 
You are causing the death of a gift, and don't even know it!  Now you do! 
 
The Lord Blessed the Hebrews as they were the only culture in that region which did not practice Human Sacrifice. 

No wonder God wanted entire cultures decimated. 

As men gain "knowledge" they "fall" back to killing the most innocent of Human Beings who have no voice with which to protest. He hears their silent cries and He will extract Justice.
It is an archaeological fact that the Gentile cultures in the "Land" practiced various forms of human sacrifice, not just something written in a Book that some "choose" to not believe.

 Smile as from this day forward you can Choose Life.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

I think the jokes on you pal.

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biggamehunter Said:
ok so i'm discussing this with some buddies here.
Is this FINAL. or does it have to go through the Senate still?

anyone?
Doesn't it still have to go through the senate, and then be voted on by the state?

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 there is no way a topic this complex will have a one size fits all ruling. 

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 i've asked this before.  but, i think it leads to some self reflection... i know it did with me anyway.  where do all of you 100% pro-lifers stand on the issue of embryos sitting in a lab somewhere?  essentially fertilized eggs that have multiplied a few times.  if you say you can't throw them in the garbage, then what is a guy to do with them?  to take that position, means you essentially take the position that there should never be fertilization treatment.  keep in mind there is no "life" per say with those embryos... they are a frozen clump of cells sitting in a petri dish or a test tube someplace.  and does it change your position just because that same clump of cells happens to be in a uterus?  at what point does it no longer become a clump of cells and becomes worthy of the same protection as a human life?  things worth pondering.

another one... how about the case of severe birth defects?  the type that would mean almost zero chance of making it to term or death within a very short time period if they did or the type that place the life of the mother in severe danger?

i don't support abortion.  but, it certainly isn't so black and white for me.  i think there needs to be exceptions in severe cases and i also wouldn't give the clump of cells sitting in an lab some place the same level of protection i would give a fetus in the womb at say 12 weeks once its spinal neuro system has began to develop.  

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biggamehunter Said:

biggamehunter Said:
ok so i'm discussing this with some buddies here.
Is this FINAL. or does it have to go through the Senate still?

anyone?
Doesn't it still have to go through the senate, and then be voted on by the state?

It's final- passed by the House and the Senate, then signed by the gov so will be law starting Aug 1 unless overturned. 

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biggamehunter Said:

biggamehunter Said:
ok so i'm discussing this with some buddies here.
Is this FINAL. or does it have to go through the Senate still?

anyone?
Doesn't it still have to go through the senate, and then be voted on by the state?

It's final- passed by the House and the Senate, then signed by the gov so will be law starting Aug 1 unless overturned. 

Thanks! How can it be overturned?
Never been good with my gov't stuff

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Thanks! How can it be overturned?
Never been good with my gov't stuff

I'm sure someone on here knows more about the process than I but I will take a stab at how it works....once it becomes law on Aug 1, someone would need to file a suit sueing, probably the State of ND, claiming that their constitutional right to kill their baby (have an abortion) is being violated by this new law.  Then the courts would render a decision that would either uphold the law or strike it down. 

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 this is ridiculous. so if someone doesn't pay taxes the blood is not on their hands, using your logic or lack there of. lets get back on to the actual topic. 

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 Odocoileus in many cases our tax dollars pay for abortions.  That makes you and I part of every child killed.  I don't want to be a part of it.  The only way to avoid that is to ban abortion if we can.  Do  you think the liberals will stop the government assisted infanticide?  No way will they abandon their base.
 
Make no mistake each of us are part of this.  We are either part of the solution or part of the problem.  There is no riding the fence.  Your either for infanticide or you are not.  There is no excuse that lets any of us  off the hook.  Some of you say we have no right to tell other people what to do.   When your tax dollar is used you do have a right.  When the innocent are being killed you have an obligation to voice your opinion. 

I often wonder why in this world it's so hard to do the right thing, but easy to just go along for the ride and do the wrong thing? 

 

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with laws like this is there going to be many more octomoms  as they are not able to do selective reduction during the process? is it right for laws to be passed to limit people from getting pregnant this way? 

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I support the right for people to make their own decisions on abortion even though it may conflict with my own personal beliefs and opinions.

All due respect, odocoileus, but I don't see how a person can not see that abortion is no different than a murder that takes place in our schools or on a street corner. How can we be against those murders but say it is none of our business when it is taking the life of any innocent baby. 

bigGameHunter - it is final, unless overturned by a court.

You really have to push your moral/religious beliefs aside for a minute and think about it. As horrible as this sounds...Women are going to get abortions. Period. They have gotten abortions for thousands of years..... regardless of religion, class, and the legality of the procedure. Even if abortions were completely illegal, women would still get them. And of instead of having the procedure performed in a clean safe environment with a qualified physician, they will be hoping on an airplane and headed to mexico or puerto rico or wherever else to get it done. And we all know it will not be "kosher" 

Making this decision is tough to a woman in any position, whether she was raped, cannot afford to support her child, cannot afford to risk her career due to pregnancy, cannot afford the lifelong cost of supporting a child with genetic defects, etc.. Removing legal abortion rights threatens the health of women. Not to mention, it is unconstitutional. An undeveloped fetus incapable of surviving outside the womb belongs to the human being caring it, not to you, your church or your government. It’s not a “Liberal or Conservative” issue. 

What Jack signed today is a clear unconstitutional violation of Roe v Wade, and will be struck down by the lower courts, with no chance of making it to the Supreme Court, and it will cost a LOT of money in the process.

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On that notion, didn't your tax dollars go to the auto companies during the bailout?  Don't some of those vehicles kill people.  Quit supporting death by vehicle!

So dirty are all those abortions were accidental?      Don't hold out for the Nobel Einstein award for that one.

 headed to mexico or puerto rico or wherever else to get it done. And we all know it will not be "kosher"

Well I suppose by kocher you mean clean.  Again your wrong.  I know a fellow who goes down to Texas and while he is there goes to Mexico for his dental work.  He says the guys place is as clean as Jamestown, the people are professional etc.  The dentist lives in Texas, and walks across a bridge to Mexico every day.  He says he can make a better living charging 80% less in Mexico than he can as a dentist in the United States.  He graduated from dental school in the United States.  What  makes the difference is all the costs of regulations in the United States. 

Sure some places in Mexico and other countries are not as clean as here in the United States, but some are just as good, some in other countries may be better. 

What happened to the conservatives on here that are all for personal responsibility?  I can understand these opinions coming from self absorbed liberals, but conservatives??? 

I don't know I see abortion as barbaric.  Have we not advanced beyond killing in the colosseum, beheading, and other cultural savagery?  I don't think abortion is the mark of a civilized society. 

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