Shanley baseball coach of 14 years says contract not renewed due to parent complaint about text message

As a parent of a young baseball player, I am appalled.

I think the message that the Coach sent out is awesome and struck a nerve.

FARGO – When the Fargo Shanley baseball team hits the field this spring, it will do so with a new coach.

Joel Swanson, who started the Deacons program in 1999, was informed by school administrators Monday that his coaching contract would not be renewed for the 2014 season.

According to Swanson, the reason for the nonrenewal is a complaint from a parent of one of the players in the Shanley program regarding a text message he sent to players last week regarding preparations for the upcoming season.

Swanson told The Forum that he met with Shanley activities director Randy Nelson and Dr. Michael Smith, the Superintendent of Blessed John Paul II Catholic Schools Network of Fargo on Monday to discuss the text message. In the meeting, Swanson said he was told a complaint had been issued by a parent.

“They told me the text message was considered threatening in tone and wording,” Swanson said. “They went on to say that it violated Shanley’s values and that my contract would not be renewed.”

Nelson confirmed Wednesday that Swanson’s contract was not renewed, but declined to comment on what prompted the decision, citing the matter as a personnel issue.

Swanson, who teaches alternative education at Cheney Middle School in West Fargo, coached 14 seasons with the Deacons and was coming off of a 10-12 season in which Shanley won the North Dakota Class A state championship.

Defending that championship is what prompted Swanson to send his players the text message.

Swanson provided The Forum a letter he sent Nelson and Dr. Smith in response to his dismissal, which included what he says is the transcript of the text message he sent to the players.

The text goes into great length about Swanson’s expectations for the 2014 season and his displeasure with players having poor attendance at non-mandatory open gym sessions.

“We are two months into open gyms and obviously all of you are satisfied with last year’s title,” the message reads. “We are the team that will have a target on our backs. We are the team that everyone throws their ace against. We are the team everyone wants to beat this year. I am sick of stupid excuses to not come to open gym. … If you want to be an athlete commit to it. One hour a week is not too much to ask if you want to be an athlete.

“If you make an excuse not to come then you are telling me what kind of athlete you are. I cannot require you to come but I thought I would have a group excited to try and defend a title. Not to make excuses and not care. Some of you are not even in a sport right now, which is even more pathetic. … I will not send out another message like this, but some of you may be in for a rude awakening when the season comes and you are not in the lineup due to a younger player that puts in the time.”

The Class A baseball season opens March 17, with the first contests scheduled for March 28.

Swanson has received hundreds of emails and text messages of support following the decision, which he cites as unjust due to the lack of opportunity to defend himself.

Swanson said he was afforded no challenge to the complaint nor was he allowed to meet – in a mediated setting – with the parent that issued the complaint, which he considers to be standard practice.

“It seems like something is missing here,” Swanson said. “If they want me to step down from my position, then fine, but it was done in an unprofessional way. I was released without ever being able to talk to this parent. I wasn’t able to defend myself as far as what the content of the text message was.”

In May of 2013, Minnesota passed a law preventing parent complaints as being the sole reason for a board to not renew a coaching contract in its high schools. No similar legislation exists in North Dakota.

“It is just too bad,” Swanson said. “We have a large senior class this year and they are a good group of kids. We didn’t have the best record in the regular season last year, but they were fun to coach. … It is tough to leave that. As a coach you want to help kids and share your knowledge, but there always is somebody who seems to think that is not good enough or they can do better.”

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The sad thing is these little shits will be running the world some day!!!

Totally, not smearing queers every day and being proper to everyone else. Sounds terrible.

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Where was the "jack-ass" part Allen?  I see a Coach driven by Excellence & one that demands his kids that are actually going to be on the field to follow his lead.

We can start with the ridiculing of kids for not attending voluntary open gym.   Doesn't sound so voluntary in this guy's world.  Either get your butt in here during the offseason or suffer my wrath and not play during the season.

At least, that's the message I get from his words.

Perhaps it's not voluntary in his program?  Implied, or written?

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The sad thing is these little shits will be running the world some day!!!

Totally, smearing conservatives every day and being proper to only those that agree with their liberal views. Sounds awesome.

there, fixed it for you

 

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The sad thing is these little shits will be running the world some day!!!

Totally, smearing conservatives every day and being proper to only those that agree with their liberal views. Sounds awesome.

there, fixed it for you


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It's a sad society in which coaches can't be assholes and treat a voluntary sport like slavery. I remember the good ol' days when I was beat when I didn't show up to a voluntary summer camp 6 months out of season.

Good lord, there has to be a line between respecting the kids and being a general asshole. This guy might have lasted 14 years but he crossed the line this year. You don't go after kids for voluntary workouts like that and expect everyone to pat you on the back. This isn't even about participation awards or whatever else crap people are trying to lay blame on the players/parents. Just because coaches were assholes in the past doesn't mean that was the proper or correct way at doing things.

Holy crap did you even read the text ????

“We are two months into open gyms and obviously all of you are satisfied with last year’s title,” the message reads. “We are the team that will have a target on our backs. We are the team that everyone throws their ace against. We are the team everyone wants to beat this year. I am sick of stupid excuses to not come to open gym. … If you want to be an athlete commit to it. One hour a week is not too much to ask if you want to be an athlete.

“If you make an excuse not to come then you are telling me what kind of athlete you are. I cannot require you to come but I thought I would have a group excited to try and defend a title. Not to make excuses and not care. Some of you are not even in a sport right now, which is even more pathetic. … I will not send out another message like this, but some of you may be in for a rude awakening when the season comes and you are not in the lineup due to a younger player that puts in the time.”

The Class A baseball season opens March 17, with the first contests scheduled for March 28.

Please highlight the "ASSHOLE" parts of this text for those of us that apparently do not comprehend wussification...


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We can start with the ridiculing of kids for not attending voluntary open gym.   Doesn't sound so voluntary in this guy's world.  Either get your butt in here during the offseason or suffer my wrath and not play during the season.

At least, that's the message I get from his words.

Perhaps it's not voluntary in his program?  Implied, or written?

If that's the case, then there may be other issues.  I could be wrong here, but don't most organized athletics have rules pertaining to when mandatory training events or practices can commence?  If the coach is going to go out and subtly threaten players for not attending voluntary activities and there are limits in place, well...then he is trying to cheat the system.

I know at the pro level and collegiate level they are limited as to what they can require of athletes in the off season, am I out of line thinking there are limitations as well at the high school level?

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The spoken word leaves no trace.

Sending texts, emails, letters, contracts, whatever is risky if your words are taken wrong.

Had he called each one, or held a group meeting and said what was texted, nothing would have come of it. When I am correcting my kids on bad behavior or the such, it comes from my mouth to their ears. When they need a talking too they get it, if I was to write it down and some nancy decides I am speaking to harshly, well then I have social services all up in my business

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Is it impious to weigh goose music and art in the same scales? I think not, because the true hunter is merely a noncreative artist. Who painted the first picture on a bone in the caves of France? A hunter. Who alone in our modern life so thrills to the sight of living beauty that he will endure hunger and thirst and cold to feed his eye upon it? The hunter. Who wrote the great hunter's poem about the sheer wonder of the wind, the hail, and the snow, the stars, the lightnings, and the clouds, the lion, the deer, and the wild goat, the raven, the hawk, and the eagle, and above all the eulogy to the horse? Job, one of the great dramatic artists of all time. Poets sing and hunters scale the mountains primarily for one and the same reason--the thrill of beauty. Critics write and hunters outwit their game primarily for one and the same reason--to reduce that beauty to possession. The differences are largely matters of degree, consciousness, and that sly arbiter of the classification of human activities, language. If, then, we can live without goose music, we may as well do away with stars, or sunsets, or Iliads. But the point is we would be fools to do away with any of them. 

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Holy crap did you even read the text ????

“We are two months into open gyms and obviously all of you are satisfied with last year’s title,” the message reads. “We are the team that will have a target on our backs. We are the team that everyone throws their ace against. We are the team everyone wants to beat this year. I am sick of stupid excuses to not come to open gym. … If you want to be an athlete commit to it. One hour a week is not too much to ask if you want to be an athlete.

If you make an excuse not to come then you are telling me what kind of athlete you are. I cannot require you to come but I thought I would have a group excited to try and defend a title. Not to make excuses and not care. Some of you are not even in a sport right now, which is even more pathetic. … I will not send out another message like this, but some of you may be in for a rude awakening when the season comes and you are not in the lineup due to a younger player that puts in the time.”

The Class A baseball season opens March 17, with the first contests scheduled for March 28.

Please highlight the "ASSHOLE" parts of this text for those of us that apparently do not comprehend wussification...

I don't much care for the parts in yellow, and the part in red is not only none of his damn business, it is pure assholish. 

And then the very last part, so he says if I don't come down and hang out with him, even if I am the best player on the team he is going to sit me down in place of someone who showed up at these voluntary open gyms.  What, is he that fricking lonely?

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That's the problem, when these kids show up for the season and the guys who did show up for the voluntary time are playing better the kids who didn't put time in are going to be pissed saying the reason they aren't playing is because they weren't at the voluntary workouts. It's even happened at the big university level. University of Michigan was investigated because some scrubs got mad that they weren't getting playing time claiming it was only because they weren't at voluntary workouts, so they needed to bring legal action. The real reason was they didn't put the time in and the ones that did got better. This coach clearly stated the ones who put the time in were probably going to get playing time,probably because they will become the better players. In my opinion that was a nice way of telling guys who are members of a team they better practice a bit or they are going suck when the season starts, that isn't the case with every player but in a huge majority of the cases that's what happens.

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We can start with the ridiculing of kids for not attending voluntary open gym.   Doesn't sound so voluntary in this guy's world.  Either get your butt in here during the offseason or suffer my wrath and not play during the season.

At least, that's the message I get from his words.

Perhaps it's not voluntary in his program?  Implied, or written?

If that's the case, then there may be other issues.  I could be wrong here, but don't most organized athletics have rules pertaining to when mandatory training events or practices can commence?  If the coach is going to go out and subtly threaten players for not attending voluntary activities and there are limits in place, well...then he is trying to cheat the system.

I know at the pro level and collegiate level they are limited as to what they can require of athletes in the off season, am I out of line thinking there are limitations as well at the high school level?

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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So if you are the coach, and you are spending hour after hour opening the gym during the off season (when you don't get paid a dime) and kids don't show up and make excuses non-stop, you wouldn't get tired of it and say "Hey, get your butt in here, or the kids that keep coming, even though younger and not as talented, are going to play over you."

That's what he did. He did nothing wrong.

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Allen and Quincy,

Voluntary practices have always had the idea of "you don't have to show up, but to better yourself, the team, and your chance of having a starting spot, you should show up."  Let's pretend you are the owner/manager/boss of a particular business.  You have a voluntary workshop on a Saturday afternoon so you and your employees can become better at getting your product to the customer more efficiently, therefore becoming more successful.  Half of your employees show up.  Half of these employees become better salesmen and when Christmas bonus-time comes around, they receive a sizable check for their increased sales as well as making your business more profitable.  The other half of the employees are mad because you didn't give them a bonus, simply because they were outperformed by their counterparts.  The next year, sales are down a bit so you decide to hold another workshop.  The same half shows up.  You become angry because your company/business is only attempting to become better at half of their capability.  You send out an email to the other half of your work force.  I'm guessing the message could be very similar to the text the coach sent.  Is there anything wrong with that or is the boss being to mean to his employees? 

Both of you need to grow a sack. 


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after reading this thread I wanted to chime in and put in my 2 cents I guess.  first of all I want to say that I was a very blessed person when I was younger being born with a gift not all have and if they do have know how to exploit, speed. although being born with the gift does not mean that I didn't work every day to make myself better.  I remember when mom and dad would go into town for supper I would stay home and run sand hills until I puked.  no coach made me do it that's just the way it was.  I lived 3.5 miles from town and maybe a couple times a week I got a ride to town or home so yes I flat out worked every god damn kid in the state.  some of you may remember me duking on kids 10 inches taller then me in high school basketball.  again I flat out worked harder than the kids I went against. after high school it was on to NDSU football where again I pushed as hard if not harder then 99% of my teammates.  anyone of them will tell you that.  Ok enough about me just wanted to establish that when it comes to pushing kids in sports I know what the F#@$ im talking about. 

I hate the way sports have become in the past 10yrs.  kids thinking they are entitled to play because they are now JR, SR's on the team.  I say that is bullshit.  I would much rather played with a kid that worked his ass off and younger.  if you don't pay you don't play its that simple.  If you are a parent which I am not and you want your kid to play take their damn computer and tv to the range with you next time.  if they don't want to put the time in then don't expect to play.  sports is about sportsmanship and I do get that but sports teaches life lessons.  hard work equals success.  kids that loaf through sports will  loaf through life.  if you don't want to work at it then don't but don't bring down the kids that want to work hard and win. 

Now on to the coach.  the only think he did wrong was send a F#@#ing text message.  coaches do not communicate to your teams with your god damn cell phone.  you call a meeting to discus these matters.  not only that the kids that are not working hard have to sit in the room with the ones that are.  this alone will get their fat lazy asses to the gym. coaches, teach all to lead the good ones will lead the others will follow  I promise.  if they don't lead or follow then you don't need them and they will weed themselves out.  

im sure ill get ripped for this but I just wanted to say how I felt from someone who has been there. 

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The sad thing is these little shits will be running the world some day!!!

Totally, smearing conservatives every day and being proper to only those that agree with their liberal views. Sounds awesome.

there, fixed it for you

Being an asshole is a conservative value? I sure hope not, I'll have to change what I tell people when they ask my political views.

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Holy crap did you even read the text ????

“We are two months into open gyms and obviously all of you are satisfied with last year’s title,” the message reads. “We are the team that will have a target on our backs. We are the team that everyone throws their ace against. We are the team everyone wants to beat this year. I am sick of stupid excuses to not come to open gym. … If you want to be an athlete commit to it. One hour a week is not too much to ask if you want to be an athlete.

If you make an excuse not to come then you are telling me what kind of athlete you are. I cannot require you to come but I thought I would have a group excited to try and defend a title. Not to make excuses and not care. Some of you are not even in a sport right now, which is even more pathetic. … I will not send out another message like this, but some of you may be in for a rude awakening when the season comes and you are not in the lineup due to a younger player that puts in the time.”

The Class A baseball season opens March 17, with the first contests scheduled for March 28.

Please highlight the "ASSHOLE" parts of this text for those of us that apparently do not comprehend wussification...

I don't much care for the parts in yellow, and the part in red is not only none of his damn business, it is pure assholish. 

And then the very last part, so he says if I don't come down and hang out with him, even if I am the best player on the team he is going to sit me down in place of someone who showed up at these voluntary open gyms.  What, is he that fricking lonely?

Thanks, made it easier for me. As you said, it's none of his effing business as to what I do in the off-season. Calling one sport students pathetic is crossing the line as a high school coach.

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We can start with the ridiculing of kids for not attending voluntary open gym.   Doesn't sound so voluntary in this guy's world.  Either get your butt in here during the offseason or suffer my wrath and not play during the season.

At least, that's the message I get from his words.

Perhaps it's not voluntary in his program?  Implied, or written?

If that's the case, then there may be other issues.  I could be wrong here, but don't most organized athletics have rules pertaining to when mandatory training events or practices can commence?  If the coach is going to go out and subtly threaten players for not attending voluntary activities and there are limits in place, well...then he is trying to cheat the system.

I know at the pro level and collegiate level they are limited as to what they can require of athletes in the off season, am I out of line thinking there are limitations as well at the high school level?

Yes, there are strict limitations as to what NDHS coaches can do/say in the off season.

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That's the problem, when these kids show up for the season and the guys who did show up for the voluntary time are playing better the kids who didn't put time in are going to be pissed saying the reason they aren't playing is because they weren't at the voluntary workouts. It's even happened at the big university level. University of Michigan was investigated because some scrubs got mad that they weren't getting playing time claiming it was only because they weren't at voluntary workouts, so they needed to bring legal action. The real reason was they didn't put the time in and the ones that did got better. This coach clearly stated the ones who put the time in were probably going to get playing time,probably because they will become the better players. In my opinion that was a nice way of telling guys who are members of a team they better practice a bit or they are going suck when the season starts, that isn't the case with every player but in a huge majority of the cases that's what happens.

This coach never said the people who put in the extra time were going to get better than those who didn't.  He only said he was going to put people in the lineup who "put in the time". 

I don't think we are far apart on this as I have no issue with someone who was a reserve last year becoming better and putting a former starter on the bench.  It happens, sometimes because one works harder than the other, other times one just matures more over the course of a year. 

The coach could have just sent out a text saying "it's a new team for the new year and I look forward to helping all who would like to better their chances at being in the starting lineup at the open gym sessions".

Still of the opinion that not only do words mean things, but tone is very important in all communications.  His sucked.

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So if you are the coach, and you are spending hour after hour opening the gym during the off season (when you don't get paid a dime) and kids don't show up and make excuses non-stop, you wouldn't get tired of it and say "Hey, get your butt in here, or the kids that keep coming, even though younger and not as talented, are going to play over you."

That's what he did. He did nothing wrong.

No, he didn't do that. Tact and tone account for a lot when trying to relay feelings. Calling kids pathetic because they don't play multiple sports isn't equivalent to saying "those younger kids tried harder than you".

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Allen and Quincy,

Voluntary practices have always had the idea of "you don't have to show up, but to better yourself, the team, and your chance of having a starting spot, you should show up."  Let's pretend you are the owner/manager/boss of a particular business.  You have a voluntary workshop on a Saturday afternoon so you and your employees can become better at getting your product to the customer more efficiently, therefore becoming more successful.  Half of your employees show up.  Half of these employees become better salesmen and when Christmas bonus-time comes around, they receive a sizable check for their increased sales as well as making your business more profitable.  The other half of the employees are mad because you didn't give them a bonus, simply because they were outperformed by their counterparts.  The next year, sales are down a bit so you decide to hold another workshop.  The same half shows up.  You become angry because your company/business is only attempting to become better at half of their capability.  You send out an email to the other half of your work force.  I'm guessing the message could be very similar to the text the coach sent.  Is there anything wrong with that or is the boss being to mean to his employees? 

Both of you need to grow a sack. 

This is high school sports. Not college, not professionals, not a full time job with a salary. Sure voluntary work outs might help some players; not all players are the same. I don't need some has been coach calling me pathetic and questioning my athleticism because I didn't want to or couldn't go to a VOLUNTARY work out. I can work out fine on my own.

BTW, I have a nice sack, I can show you if you want. *shrugs*

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That's the problem, when these kids show up for the season and the guys who did show up for the voluntary time are playing better the kids who didn't put time in are going to be pissed saying the reason they aren't playing is because they weren't at the voluntary workouts. It's even happened at the big university level. University of Michigan was investigated because some scrubs got mad that they weren't getting playing time claiming it was only because they weren't at voluntary workouts, so they needed to bring legal action. The real reason was they didn't put the time in and the ones that did got better. This coach clearly stated the ones who put the time in were probably going to get playing time,probably because they will become the better players. In my opinion that was a nice way of telling guys who are members of a team they better practice a bit or they are going suck when the season starts, that isn't the case with every player but in a huge majority of the cases that's what happens.

This coach never said the people who put in the extra time were going to get better than those who didn't.  He only said he was going to put people in the lineup who "put in the time". 

I don't think we are far apart on this as I have no issue with someone who was a reserve last year becoming better and putting a former starter on the bench.  It happens, sometimes because one works harder than the other, other times one just matures more over the course of a year. 

The coach could have just sent out a text saying "it's a new team for the new year and I look forward to helping all who would like to better their chances at being in the starting lineup at the open gym sessions".

Still of the opinion that not only do words mean things, but tone is very important in all communications.  His sucked.

Bingo.

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The sad thing is these little shits will be running the world some day!!!

Totally, smearing conservatives every day and being proper to only those that agree with their liberal views. Sounds awesome.

there, fixed it for you

Being an asshole is a conservative value? I sure hope not, I'll have to change what I tell people when they ask my political views.

Yes, according to >50% of this country if you are conservative you are an a$$hole.

Welcome to being in the minority my fellow a$$hole.

 

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Both of you need to grow a sack. 

On a personal note, it's kinda creepy knowing guys on here are concerned about the status of my sack.

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I hate the way sports have become in the past 10yrs.  kids thinking they are entitled to play because they are now JR, SR's on the team.  I say that is bullshit.  I would much rather played with a kid that worked his ass off and younger.  if you don't pay you don't play its that simple.  If you are a parent which I am not and you want your kid to play take their damn computer and tv to the range with you next time.  if they don't want to put the time in then don't expect to play.  sports is about sportsmanship and I do get that but sports teaches life lessons.  hard work equals success.  kids that loaf through sports will  loaf through life.  if you don't want to work at it then don't but don't bring down the kids that want to work hard and win. 

Now on to the coach.  the only think he did wrong was send a F#@#ing text message.  coaches do not communicate to your teams with your god damn cell phone.  you call a meeting to discus these matters.  not only that the kids that are not working hard have to sit in the room with the ones that are.  this alone will get their fat lazy asses to the gym. coaches, teach all to lead the good ones will lead the others will follow  I promise.  if they don't lead or follow then you don't need them and they will weed themselves out.  

im sure ill get ripped for this but I just wanted to say how I felt from someone who has been there. 

Kids should be entitled to play high school sports. When parents are paying for extracurricular activities through tax money (the $50 sports fee doesn't cover everything), then kids should be allowed to play. Expecting to play Varsity, is a different story, and I would agree with you. But, no, kids that loaf through sports don't necessarily loaf through life. That's a terrible generalization towards kids that aren't like you in terms of what excites them. Would it be fair to you as an athlete for someone to say "if a kid loafs through math class they will loaf through life" ? I don't think so.

And I don't think the coach can call a meeting like that in the off-season; rules and all.

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So if you are the coach, and you are spending hour after hour opening the gym during the off season (when you don't get paid a dime) and kids don't show up and make excuses non-stop, you wouldn't get tired of it and say "Hey, get your butt in here, or the kids that keep coming, even though younger and not as talented, are going to play over you."

That's what he did. He did nothing wrong.

No, he didn't do that. Tact and tone account for a lot when trying to relay feelings. Calling kids pathetic because they don't play multiple sports isn't equivalent to saying "those younger kids tried harder than you".

Yeah, that's exactly what he did.
Also, the "pathetic" part is geared towards kids who weren't playing a sport and still couldn't find the time to make it to the gym for the off-season workouts.

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quincy, quincy, quincy.  Voluntary doesn't mean you don't have to go to it.  If you have a valid reason for not showing up, so be it.  But some of these kids aren't even participating in a sport.  It is pathetic to think these kids could come to 1 hour of open gym and are choosing to stay at home and do nothing.  I'm glad I don't know you.  I recommend the brass rail in MPLS if you want to start showing your sack to a bunch of dudes.  They'll take care of you.  Now go back to Fargo and wonder why life isn't fair.


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after reading this thread I wanted to chime in and put in my 2 cents I guess.  first of all I want to say that I was a very blessed person when I was younger being born with a gift not all have and if they do have know how to exploit, speed. although being born with the gift does not mean that I didn't work every day to make myself better.  I remember when mom and dad would go into town for supper I would stay home and run sand hills until I puked.  no coach made me do it that's just the way it was.  I lived 3.5 miles from town and maybe a couple times a week I got a ride to town or home so yes I flat out worked every god damn kid in the state.  some of you may remember me duking on kids 10 inches taller then me in high school basketball.  again I flat out worked harder than the kids I went against. after high school it was on to NDSU football where again I pushed as hard if not harder then 99% of my teammates.  anyone of them will tell you that.  Ok enough about me just wanted to establish that when it comes to pushing kids in sports I know what the F#@$ im talking about. 

I hate the way sports have become in the past 10yrs.  kids thinking they are entitled to play because they are now JR, SR's on the team.  I say that is bullshit.  I would much rather played with a kid that worked his ass off and younger.  if you don't pay you don't play its that simple.  If you are a parent which I am not and you want your kid to play take their damn computer and tv to the range with you next time.  if they don't want to put the time in then don't expect to play.  sports is about sportsmanship and I do get that but sports teaches life lessons.  hard work equals success.  kids that loaf through sports will  loaf through life.  if you don't want to work at it then don't but don't bring down the kids that want to work hard and win. 

Now on to the coach.  the only think he did wrong was send a F#@#ing text message.  coaches do not communicate to your teams with your god damn cell phone.  you call a meeting to discus these matters.  not only that the kids that are not working hard have to sit in the room with the ones that are.  this alone will get their fat lazy asses to the gym. coaches, teach all to lead the good ones will lead the others will follow  I promise.  if they don't lead or follow then you don't need them and they will weed themselves out.  

im sure ill get ripped for this but I just wanted to say how I felt from someone who has been there. 


I guess I may be a little biased as well, I do know the feeling of having parents talking to coaches behind the scenes bitching saying why is this kid(grade) playing all the time when my kid(higher grade) sits on the bench? I remember it was never any personal jabs from parents directed at me or even from older guys directed at me, actually athlete to athlete it was nothing but support, but dang those parents really can raise hell over things that should be in complete control of the team members. Basic fact is losing sucks and the hard work of a team should not be diminished because guys who don't have the love of the game still feel the need to play, or parents of kids who aren't really as into the sport as they think they are feel they need to be a star.

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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I hate the way sports have become in the past 10yrs.  kids thinking they are entitled to play because they are now JR, SR's on the team.  I say that is bullshit.  I would much rather played with a kid that worked his ass off and younger.  if you don't pay you don't play its that simple.  If you are a parent which I am not and you want your kid to play take their damn computer and tv to the range with you next time.  if they don't want to put the time in then don't expect to play.  sports is about sportsmanship and I do get that but sports teaches life lessons.  hard work equals success.  kids that loaf through sports will  loaf through life.  if you don't want to work at it then don't but don't bring down the kids that want to work hard and win. 

Now on to the coach.  the only think he did wrong was send a F#@#ing text message.  coaches do not communicate to your teams with your god damn cell phone.  you call a meeting to discus these matters.  not only that the kids that are not working hard have to sit in the room with the ones that are.  this alone will get their fat lazy asses to the gym. coaches, teach all to lead the good ones will lead the others will follow  I promise.  if they don't lead or follow then you don't need them and they will weed themselves out.  

im sure ill get ripped for this but I just wanted to say how I felt from someone who has been there. 

Kids should be entitled to play high school sports. When parents are paying for extracurricular activities through tax money (the $50 sports fee doesn't cover everything), then kids should be allowed to play. Expecting to play Varsity, is a different story, and I would agree with you. But, no, kids that loaf through sports don't necessarily loaf through life. That's a terrible generalization towards kids that aren't like you in terms of what excites them. Would it be fair to you as an athlete for someone to say "if a kid loafs through math class they will loaf through life" ? I don't think so.

And I don't think the coach can call a meeting like that in the off-season; rules and all.

Kids should be entitled the opportunity to compete, where they end up all depends on work and ability.

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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Nice comeback.  You're too dumb to argue with.  I'm glad you're not a coach. 

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Both of you need to grow a sack. 

On a personal note, it's kinda creepy knowing guys on here are concerned about the status of my sack.


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Me thinks Quincy & Allen held hands on the bench?

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I played hs sports 1998-2002, football, basketball, track, baseball. Loved the lessons I learned, cherished the friendships and lifelong connections. I also showed up for the 'voluntary' Sunday practices. You know what, they didn't make me better. Off season workouts did, oh wait what off season. But even the kid in only 1 sport doesn't deserve to get the rest of his life consumed. 99.9% of HS athletes won't go on to play collegiate and don't deserve to have their weekends taken away. I would have rather been ice fishing with my dad because now I'm an adult and I don't have those memories and we live far apart. Let kids be kids and enjoy their families in the offseason. Yes, be 100% dedicated during the season but don't pretend it's something that it's not. The stud athletes will find their way to the top and put in the work to succeed at the college level if they want it. I was no scrub but looking back I didn't gain as much from giving up Sundays to run crushers as I would have gained in the outdoors with my Dad. And on this site I would hope people would agree with that.


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So if you are the coach, and you are spending hour after hour opening the gym during the off season (when you don't get paid a dime) and kids don't show up and make excuses non-stop, you wouldn't get tired of it and say "Hey, get your butt in here, or the kids that keep coming, even though younger and not as talented, are going to play over you."

That's what he did. He did nothing wrong.

No, he didn't do that. Tact and tone account for a lot when trying to relay feelings. Calling kids pathetic because they don't play multiple sports isn't equivalent to saying "those younger kids tried harder than you".

Yeah, that's exactly what he did.
Also, the "pathetic" part is geared towards kids who weren't playing a sport and still couldn't find the time to make it to the gym for the off-season workouts.

No, that may have been what he meant to say, but that's not what he said.

And no, his comment about a second sport was independent of excuses: "Some of you are not even in a sport right now, which is even more pathetic." Note how he says "more pathetic", that is in relation to excuses. And besides, kids have lives outside of sports. May be tough for him to realize that, but it's true.

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I hate the way sports have become in the past 10yrs.  kids thinking they are entitled to play because they are now JR, SR's on the team.  I say that is bullshit.  I would much rather played with a kid that worked his ass off and younger.  if you don't pay you don't play its that simple.  If you are a parent which I am not and you want your kid to play take their damn computer and tv to the range with you next time.  if they don't want to put the time in then don't expect to play.  sports is about sportsmanship and I do get that but sports teaches life lessons.  hard work equals success.  kids that loaf through sports will  loaf through life.  if you don't want to work at it then don't but don't bring down the kids that want to work hard and win. 

Now on to the coach.  the only think he did wrong was send a F#@#ing text message.  coaches do not communicate to your teams with your god damn cell phone.  you call a meeting to discus these matters.  not only that the kids that are not working hard have to sit in the room with the ones that are.  this alone will get their fat lazy asses to the gym. coaches, teach all to lead the good ones will lead the others will follow  I promise.  if they don't lead or follow then you don't need them and they will weed themselves out.  

im sure ill get ripped for this but I just wanted to say how I felt from someone who has been there. 

Kids should be entitled to play high school sports. When parents are paying for extracurricular activities through tax money (the $50 sports fee doesn't cover everything), then kids should be allowed to play. Expecting to play Varsity, is a different story, and I would agree with you. But, no, kids that loaf through sports don't necessarily loaf through life. That's a terrible generalization towards kids that aren't like you in terms of what excites them. Would it be fair to you as an athlete for someone to say "if a kid loafs through math class they will loaf through life" ? I don't think so.

And I don't think the coach can call a meeting like that in the off-season; rules and all.

Kids should be entitled the opportunity to compete, where they end up all depends on work and ability.

That's what I said.

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Nice comeback.  You're too dumb to argue with.  I'm glad you're not a coach. 

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Both of you need to grow a sack. 

On a personal note, it's kinda creepy knowing guys on here are concerned about the status of my sack.

Your insistence on focusing on the genitals of others is causing me alarm. I'm glad you're not a coach.

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curtikins_bac Said:
Me thinks Quincy & Allen held hands on the bench?

You would think wrong.

Me thinks you beat up the small kid for talking funny?

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Lol..

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Quincy, you're the one that wanted to start pulling your sack and wiggling it in other men's faces.  That's concerning.  As far as you being a little bitch about working hard, well we all know where you're coming from.  If you're in Bismarck, why don't you meet me for a beer and we'll figure this all out. 


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What bunch of Liberal Sally's and Nancy's.  

The school and the parents that turned them should be ashamed for being so weak and yellow. 

If you were a badminton ace, I think this would be a good bumper sticker:  "Suck my Shuttlecock" 

 

 

 

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 Now that it's apparently so taboo for a coach to flip out now and again does anyone else look back fondly on some of their coaches when they would just explode? Myself as well as darn near everyone I played with over the years laugh our asses off every time we think of that stuff. Out loud screaming curses, off color insults/jokes, fits, someone taking a clipboard over the helmet or ass,booted chairs, veins almost exploding out of a coaches face, and once the rant was over that was it. The correction came out much calmer but the attention getters were priceless, still hafta lol when thinking about them.

I dont go around guessing cup sizes either I just know a nice rack when I see one.

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Quincy, you're the one that wanted to start pulling your sack and wiggling it in other men's faces.  That's concerning.  As far as you being a little bitch about working hard, well we all know where you're coming from.  If you're in Bismarck, why don't you meet me for a beer and we'll figure this all out. 

Dude again, stay away from children.

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Thanks for the warning; now people will know you're threadjacking by posting insults of other users. *Thumbup*

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Also, I do coach.  Multiple sports in fact.  I push those kids hard because in the end, it's not about a sport.  Are any of these kids going to make it to the show?  Absolutely not.  But they might get college paid for, or a portion of it at least.  And when they've put their glove and cleats away, they're going to have an appreciating for what they accomplish through hard work and dedication.  That means they they might not get to go ice fishing with daddy.  That also means that they don't get to go hang out with the boys anymore when they have a child.  Sacrifices are made for a reason.  Sometimes the benefit doesn't always stand out in the open for you, but one day you'll know why you gave something up, ran one more lap, or said no to the last drink.  Quincy and Allen, you guys think you're above everyone else because you wouldn't have done this.  Maybe he could have been more tactful in his message to his players.  But he didn't cross the line.  The fact that one parent complained and the school decided to walk away from a coach that started the program and ran it successfully for 14 years is sad. 


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Allen Said:

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Both of you need to grow a sack. 

On a personal note, it's kinda creepy knowing guys on here are concerned about the status of my sack.

Could be that's how he got his name?

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I played hs sports 1998-2002, football, basketball, track, baseball. Loved the lessons I learned, cherished the friendships and lifelong connections. I also showed up for the 'voluntary' Sunday practices. You know what, they didn't make me better. Off season workouts did, oh wait what off season. But even the kid in only 1 sport doesn't deserve to get the rest of his life consumed. 99.9% of HS athletes won't go on to play collegiate and don't deserve to have their weekends taken away. I would have rather been ice fishing with my dad because now I'm an adult and I don't have those memories and we live far apart. Let kids be kids and enjoy their families in the offseason. Yes, be 100% dedicated during the season but don't pretend it's something that it's not. The stud athletes will find their way to the top and put in the work to succeed at the college level if they want it. I was no scrub but looking back I didn't gain as much from giving up Sundays to run crushers as I would have gained in the outdoors with my Dad. And on this site I would hope people would agree with that.

I coach and I totally agree with you.  HS sports are in many cases far too consuming, there's no reason that a kid has to donate their life to a sport (and I don't think that the shanley coach was asking them to).  Problem is the same parents and players who complain about you having too much going on in the offseason would be the same ones who call for your job when you don't win as much as they think you should. 

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After having five kids in every high school sport and summer program offer.

I would side with Alan.
In the summer my kids took part in all the programs to improve, we play basket ball on the driveway, i would play catch and pitch the ball to them, my wife spent time doing the same ect. And yes in was important to me that my kid made ME look good by their perfomance on the floor. Or so i thougth.
I have seen the kids spent all the hours at the practice and then sit on the bench the whole game or play the last 30 seconds.
I have seen the back slaps on the coach or the parent for how great they are and the other kid, well not a thing said.
However in time i learn.  I remember the vo-ag instructor keeping my kids till midnight at the school to prepare for Kansas,  The head cheerleader coach telling my daughter she could not play volleyball if she was going to cheer.  There only two cheerleader at the time and on and on.
First off, the greatest enjoyment i had with my kids was playing club hockey and gymnastic.  Yes the parents were the coach, drove the kids, sat up the schedule and so forth with no interference from the school.  Parents were involve and did not just sit on the sideline.
For me my kids goal in life was not to make some coach famous by devoting all their time to the coach.  My kids did the best they could and give their 100%.  In certain sports they gave more than a 100%.  Some maybe not but they were having FUN.  If that was not good enough then i guess my kid was not good enough for the coach to have.  The kids did not play for one sole reason of the coach.  They took part becasue they enjoy and wanted to be there.
But there is more to life than being the stud and making your parent/coach look good.  It took a while but in my book the coach can kiss my ass.  So if he feels he can tell my kid to spent all their time for him, well i quess we as a family will find time to do other things.  In the end the memories will be much stronger than some trophy sitting on the wall or store away somewhere.  My kids have gotten trophies.  But what is on the wall?  Picture of deer and horns.  Not the trophies.
Yes based on what i see the school screwed up.  There should of been conversation between those involved.
But do not tell me that the right thing to do is devote your life to a coach for a few years while growing up.  I am not interest in seeing his/her name in the paper for how great he is.  I have seen the coaches when all that matters is winning.  They have no ideal what sports is about and how they can mode my kid. Winning is great but in the end there was more important things taught by being involve.
Fine, spend the time if that is your passion but do not forget to devote yourself to what you want to do and enjoy and to your family.
How many of you can tell me who was at the state volleyball tournament this year? So what is important, the winning or the memories of being apart of sometime were it is not all about being on top. There us a lot more out there than just playing baseball.  Open gym, well maybe there was somethng going on more important than that open gym  db

 

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Also, I do coach.  Multiple sports in fact.  I push those kids hard because in the end, it's not about a sport.  Are any of these kids going to make it to the show?  Absolutely not.  But they might get college paid for, or a portion of it at least.  And when they've put their glove and cleats away, they're going to have an appreciating for what they accomplish through hard work and dedication.  That means they they might not get to go ice fishing with daddy.  That also means that they don't get to go hang out with the boys anymore when they have a child.  Sacrifices are made for a reason.  Sometimes the benefit doesn't always stand out in the open for you, but one day you'll know why you gave something up, ran one more lap, or said no to the last drink.  Quincy and Allen, you guys think you're above everyone else because you wouldn't have done this.  Maybe he could have been more tactful in his message to his players.  But he didn't cross the line.  The fact that one parent complained and the school decided to walk away from a coach that started the program and ran it successfully for 14 years is sad. 

That's the problem with assumptions, you make yourself look like an ass.

NO WHERE did I say that I wouldn't have done this (Allen didn't either) or that I'm looking down on those that did. If you want to go the extra mile and better yourself for the team, great. However, there are players that don't want to and they don't need an a-hole coach insulting them because they choose not to participate in voluntary workouts or only play a single sport.

And hell, the fact that one parent (supposedly) complained and the school got rid of him is TELLING. WTF else was happening with him that the school was so quick to get rid of him. Shouldn't that tell you something about the coach?

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Could be that's how he got his name?

Have you seen The Other Guys with Mark Wahlberg and Will Ferrell.  Watch the movie and you'll get it. 


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Some of you act like this is an isolated incident.  Did it ever occur to any of you tough guys there is more to the story.  A lot of short dick non-athletic types on here carrying on about how tough they were or are.  Pussies.

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