Shanley baseball coach of 14 years says contract not renewed due to parent complaint about text message

As a parent of a young baseball player, I am appalled.

I think the message that the Coach sent out is awesome and struck a nerve.

FARGO – When the Fargo Shanley baseball team hits the field this spring, it will do so with a new coach.

Joel Swanson, who started the Deacons program in 1999, was informed by school administrators Monday that his coaching contract would not be renewed for the 2014 season.

According to Swanson, the reason for the nonrenewal is a complaint from a parent of one of the players in the Shanley program regarding a text message he sent to players last week regarding preparations for the upcoming season.

Swanson told The Forum that he met with Shanley activities director Randy Nelson and Dr. Michael Smith, the Superintendent of Blessed John Paul II Catholic Schools Network of Fargo on Monday to discuss the text message. In the meeting, Swanson said he was told a complaint had been issued by a parent.

“They told me the text message was considered threatening in tone and wording,” Swanson said. “They went on to say that it violated Shanley’s values and that my contract would not be renewed.”

Nelson confirmed Wednesday that Swanson’s contract was not renewed, but declined to comment on what prompted the decision, citing the matter as a personnel issue.

Swanson, who teaches alternative education at Cheney Middle School in West Fargo, coached 14 seasons with the Deacons and was coming off of a 10-12 season in which Shanley won the North Dakota Class A state championship.

Defending that championship is what prompted Swanson to send his players the text message.

Swanson provided The Forum a letter he sent Nelson and Dr. Smith in response to his dismissal, which included what he says is the transcript of the text message he sent to the players.

The text goes into great length about Swanson’s expectations for the 2014 season and his displeasure with players having poor attendance at non-mandatory open gym sessions.

“We are two months into open gyms and obviously all of you are satisfied with last year’s title,” the message reads. “We are the team that will have a target on our backs. We are the team that everyone throws their ace against. We are the team everyone wants to beat this year. I am sick of stupid excuses to not come to open gym. … If you want to be an athlete commit to it. One hour a week is not too much to ask if you want to be an athlete.

“If you make an excuse not to come then you are telling me what kind of athlete you are. I cannot require you to come but I thought I would have a group excited to try and defend a title. Not to make excuses and not care. Some of you are not even in a sport right now, which is even more pathetic. … I will not send out another message like this, but some of you may be in for a rude awakening when the season comes and you are not in the lineup due to a younger player that puts in the time.”

The Class A baseball season opens March 17, with the first contests scheduled for March 28.

Swanson has received hundreds of emails and text messages of support following the decision, which he cites as unjust due to the lack of opportunity to defend himself.

Swanson said he was afforded no challenge to the complaint nor was he allowed to meet – in a mediated setting – with the parent that issued the complaint, which he considers to be standard practice.

“It seems like something is missing here,” Swanson said. “If they want me to step down from my position, then fine, but it was done in an unprofessional way. I was released without ever being able to talk to this parent. I wasn’t able to defend myself as far as what the content of the text message was.”

In May of 2013, Minnesota passed a law preventing parent complaints as being the sole reason for a board to not renew a coaching contract in its high schools. No similar legislation exists in North Dakota.

“It is just too bad,” Swanson said. “We have a large senior class this year and they are a good group of kids. We didn’t have the best record in the regular season last year, but they were fun to coach. … It is tough to leave that. As a coach you want to help kids and share your knowledge, but there always is somebody who seems to think that is not good enough or they can do better.”

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I was post 420 for those in the know...... its time

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im guessing the fire is getting re lit

Only because I keep seeing Pitt

oh with the last few comments I new this was far from over I now am going to enjoy the ensuing train wreck and stir the pot as any thing of importance here was hashed out about 8 pages ago.

Meh, it's the weekend. You're going to have to find some more pictures of Pitt if you want it to continue. Getting told to shut up doesn't have as much flair now.

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 Kurt r
In boot camp towards the end we had another 12 mile march only this time with full gear, rilfe, back pack, tent, shovel, gas mask ect.  On this march we did do more double time than normal.
Must of been a company in front of us as we ran into some stragglers of theirs.  Well it was not good for them as we passed.  If they were going to leave them behind i guess they were fair meat.
One guy in our platoon had phy and mental issues.  Should not of been in the service.
But the people in the platoon were not going to leave him behind. Some carried his gun ( i know it is for fun) and some his gear.  A couple of guys help him while others carried their rifles and packs.
I can understood the drill instructor wanting the troops to take care of the guy with the bad altitude problem.  But what did they want from us in this situation?  Was it to see if we would be a team and take care of our own or was it to teach us only the strong survive and the weak whatever.  Guess i do not know the answer so looking for help.  db

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In boot camp towards the end we had another 12 mile march only this time with full gear, rilfe, back pack, tent, shovel, gas mask ect.  On this march we did do more double time than normal.
Must of been a company in front of us as we ran into some stragglers of theirs.  Well it was not good for them as we passed.  If they were going to leave them behind i guess they were fair meat.
One guy in our platoon had phy and mental issues.  Should not of been in the service.
But the people in the platoon were not going to leave him behind. Some carried his gun ( i know it is for fun) and some his gear.  A couple of guys help him while others carried their rifles and packs.
I can understood the drill instructor wanting the troops to take care of the guy with the bad altitude problem.  But what did they want from us in this situation?  Was it to see if we would be a team and take care of our own or was it to teach us only the strong survive and the weak whatever.  Guess i do not know the answer so looking for help.  db

truthfully I am guessing your basic was way different than mine being years apart.  We were told that if some one cant physically make the chase rig would pick them up when we did our final road march so they did not leave any questions what we were to do.  With the guys I had in my platoon we were all pretty tight and I would think that if help was needed we would give as i don't think leaving one of your own behind is acceptable for any reason.  even the guy  that liked to make trouble.

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Excellent

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Oh and I am always right, not to brag or anything

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 years apart?????????

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 years apart?????????

you tell storys of picking rocks and messing with old cars back in the 50's I wasn't even a gleam in my dads eye yet.  Hell till 59 my dad wasn't even a gleam in my grandpas eye.  I went in 1997 and just guessing but you were in the mid 60's.  My uncle went in the early 80's and it changed a lot from then till when I went in.  From stories I am will say they were able to be a lot harder on recruits when you were going through than me.  They could not physically touch us and were limited in the in some of the language they could even use.  The DI's kept calling it the "new Army" .

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 Yes they were allow to touch and there was some but mainly it was get down and give me a bunch.  Some simple things like cutting your button off if it was not button.  Hauling your foot locker down the stairs and back up and down and up.  Running around the company saying stupid things if you called your rifle a gun.  You quickly learn not to be the fastest or the slowest but to stay in the middle.  Once they found out your name you were screwed.  they like to stick cs gas under your nose doing gas training esp. if you ran.  Heaven forbid when they said right face and you moved left.   They like to pitch one another agaisnt each other.  They did like to wake us up in the mid of the night a lot.  One more run for the day.  A lot to hair cuts.  I am sure you seen it to.
Life was good.  A bunch of drafty and in 8 weeks we were a well oil machine that believed we good take anybody on and win. db

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 The end of this will be up to the coach.  DBDB

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I guess I played my fair share of sports, to me it was for fun, I never made it my main priority to be the go to guy on the field, or court, or rink.

Seems fruitless to push anyone to the brink they dont want. How many of you guys know a pro player, or played with one, or became one. Even better any of you guys ever earn some jingle kicking a soccer ball, or slapping a puck?

Sports teaches team work, discipline, and some responsibility, much the same as boy scouts, 4-H, fishing with dad, whatever.

Oh by the way, if I would have tried harder I would be a millionare pro ball player...

I don't think that's the point.  So if you didn't want to be the go to guy, why even play?  Did your parents make you?  If so, that's not cool.

I went to schools where teams weren't "walk on,"  I'm not disrespecting anyone but just saying that may be why I view this differently than some.

Out.

Fargo South High, no walk on's needed. In my day it was the largest school in the state, and rarely took less than 1 in almost every sport.

My point is I played for fun, not to be some want to be Al Bundy, living my entire life in the past remembering my glory days of playing high school ball

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Johnr    I can't let that bold statement go by without a rebuttal. 

Wrestling   Class A

      CLASS B
1970 Minot     New England St. Mary's
1971 Minot     Belcourt
1972 Bismarck     Watford City
1973 Bismarck     Watford City
1974 Bismarck     Watford City
1975 Bismarck     Napoleon
1976 Bismarck     Velva
1977 Mandan     Velva
1978 Bismarck     Lisbon
1979 Bismarck     Velva
1980 Bismarck     Napoleon
1981 Bismarck     Napoleon
1982 Bismarck     Napoleon
1983 Bismarck     Lisbon
1984 Bismarck     Velva
1985 Williston     Velva
1986 Bismarck     Velva
1987 Bismarck Century     Carrington
1988 Bismarck Century     Carrington
1989 Bismarck     Napoleon
1990 Bismarck Century     Napoleon
1991 Bismarck     Carrington
1992 Bismarck     Carrington
1993 Minot     Oakes
1994 Bismarck Century     Carrington
1995 Bismarck Century     Carrington
1996 Bismarck     Hettinger
1997 Fargo South     Napoleon
1998 Bismarck     Ashley/Wishek
  CLASS A     CLASS B
1999 Williston     Ashley/Wishek
2000 Bismarck     Hettinger
2001 Bismarck Century     Hettinger
2002 Bismarck     Napoleon
2003 Bismarck     Napoleon
2004 Bismarck     Napoleon
2005 Bismarck     Napoleon
2006 West Fargo     Napoleon
2007 Wahpeton     Napoleon
2008 Bismarck     Lisbon
2009 Bismarck     Oakes
2010 Bismarck     Oakes
2011 Bismarck     Oakes
2012 West Fargo     Oakes
2013 West Fargo     South Border
 

CLASS A BOYS BASKETBALL STATE CHAMPIONS
YR SCHOOL   YR SCHOOL
1933 Bismarck   1981 Mandan
1934 Minot   1982 Jamestown
1935 Grafton   1983 West Fargo
1936 Minot   1984 Bismarck Century
1937 Minot   1985 Fargo North
1938 Fargo   1986 Fargo South
1939 Jamestown   1987 Jamestown
1940 Mandan   1988 Minot
1941 Wahpeton   1989 Fargo South
1942 Fargo   1990 Minot
1943 Fargo   1991 West Fargo
1944 Wahpeton   1992 West Fargo
1945 Valley City   1993 Jamestown
1946 Grand Forks   1994 Bismarck
1947 Grand Forks   1995 Minot
1948 Williston   1996 Grand Forks Central
1949 Minot   1997 Fargo Shanley
1950 Minot   1998 Fargo Shanley
1951 Bismarck St. Mary's   1999 Minot
1952 Grand Forks   2000 Bismarck
1953 Bismarck   2001 Bismarck
1954 Wahpeton   2002 Fargo North
1955 Minot   2003 Dickinson
1956 Grand Forks   2004 Bismarck St. Mary's
1957 Bismarck   2005 Bismarck
1958 Bismarck   2006 Fargo North
1959 Bismarck   2007 Dickinson
1960 Valley City   2008 Bismarck
1961 Minot   2009 Mandan
1962 Rugby   2010 Bismarck
1963 Williston   2011 Century
1964 Grafton   2012 GF Red River
1965 Minot   2013 Shanley
1966 Mandan   2014  
1967 Mandan      
1968 Williston      
1969 Grand Forks Red River      
1970 Grand Forks Central      
1971 Minot      
1972 Bismarck St. Mary's      
1973 Fort Yates      
1974 Grand Forks Central      
1975 Williston      
1976 Jamestown      
1977 Fargo North      
1978 Jamestown      
1979 Wahpeton      
1980 Minot      
CLASS A 11-MAN FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS 1975 - 1996      
         
  1ST PLACE   2ND PLACE  
1975 Fargo Shanley 35   Fargo North 16  
1976 Fargo Shanley 48   Fargo North 6  
1977 Fargo Shanley 28   Bismarck Century 6  
1978 Fargo South 19   Fargo North 10  
1979 Dickinson Trinity 27   Fargo South 14  
1980 Minot 30   Fargo Shanley 7  
1981 Fargo Shanley 21   Fargo South 3  
1982 Fargo South 31   Grand Forks Red River 7  
1983 Fargo Shanley 31   Bismarck St. Mary's 17  
1984 Bismarck 21   Dickinson 14  
1985 Bismarck 27   Bismarck St. Mary's 26  
1986 Fargo South 34   Fargo North 6  
1987 Fargo South 13   Grand Forks Red River 8  
1988 Bismarck St. Mary's 31   Fargo South 14  
1989 Fargo South 28   Devils Lake 11  
1990 Fargo South 28   Bismarck St. Mary's 12  
1991 Bismarck St. Mary's 21   Jamestown 7  
1992 Fargo South 21   Minot 13  
1993 West Fargo 6   Fargo South 2  
1994 Bismarck St. Mary's 28   Jamestown 19  
1995 Fargo North 19   Bismarck St. Mary's 14  
1996 Fargo South 23   Grand Forks Central 13  
   

AAA DIVISION FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS  
1997 AAA DIVISION STARTED      
  1ST PLACE   2ND PLACE  
1997 Dickinson 28   Bismarck 26  
1998 West Fargo 12   Wahpeton 7  
1999 West Fargo 24   Minot 14  
2000 Fargo North 43   Bismarck 22  
2001 Bismarck 21   Fargo South 9  
2002 West Fargo 51   Minot 14  
2003 West Fargo 45   Bismarck 21  
2004 Fargo South  34   GF Central 27  
2005 GF Central 39   Fargo South 29  
2006 Fargo South 21   Minot 7  
2007 Fargo South 40   Bismarck  14  
2008 Bismarck 28   Fargo South 19  
2009 Bismarck 28   Fargo South 10  
2010 Fargo South 26   Bismarck 14  
2011 Bismarck 21   Century 3  
2012  Bismarck 21   Century 0  
2013 Fargo South 42   Bismarck 34
BASEBALL STATE A CHAMPIONS 
         
YR SCHOOL   YR SCHOOL
2000 Grand Forks Central      
2001 Dickinson      
2002 Fargo North      
2003 Bismarck      
2004 Dickinson      
2005 Minot      
2006 GF Central      
2007 Dickinson      
2008 Williston      
2009 Dickinson      
2010 Mandan      
2011 Fargo South      
2012 West Fargo      
2013 Shanley

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Point taken.if only I would have tried harder...

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 Yes they were allow to touch and there was some but mainly it was get down and give me a bunch.  Some simple things like cutting your button off if it was not button.  Hauling your foot locker down the stairs and back up and down and up.  Running around the company saying stupid things if you called your rifle a gun.  You quickly learn not to be the fastest or the slowest but to stay in the middle.  Once they found out your name you were screwed.  they like to stick cs gas under your nose doing gas training esp. if you ran.  Heaven forbid when they said right face and you moved left.   They like to pitch one another agaisnt each other.  They did like to wake us up in the mid of the night a lot.  One more run for the day.  A lot to hair cuts.  I am sure you seen it to.
Life was good.  A bunch of drafty and in 8 weeks we were a well oil machine that believed we good take anybody on and win. db

We were in different times but some things never change. I will never forget when I took that gas mask  off in the gas chamber it took every thing I had not to try and run out of there.

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Kurt brought back a memory?


WEnt in, ran around singing some song with your hand on the guy in front of you.  
Then off came the mask.  You continue to sing and run in a circle.  But if you ran out of the chamber they ran you down and you paid dearly.
if you stayed, your face was burning, eyes burning and every thing inside of you was on the ground.  if you had a stuff nose it was now open.
glad to hear it has not changed.  Db

 

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Obi-Wan Said:

johnr Said:

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johnr Said:
I guess I played my fair share of sports, to me it was for fun, I never made it my main priority to be the go to guy on the field, or court, or rink.

Seems fruitless to push anyone to the brink they dont want. How many of you guys know a pro player, or played with one, or became one. Even better any of you guys ever earn some jingle kicking a soccer ball, or slapping a puck?

Sports teaches team work, discipline, and some responsibility, much the same as boy scouts, 4-H, fishing with dad, whatever.

Oh by the way, if I would have tried harder I would be a millionare pro ball player...

I don't think that's the point.  So if you didn't want to be the go to guy, why even play?  Did your parents make you?  If so, that's not cool.

I went to schools where teams weren't "walk on,"  I'm not disrespecting anyone but just saying that may be why I view this differently than some.

Out.

Fargo South High, no walk on's needed. In my day it was the largest school in the state, and rarely took less than 1 in almost every sport.

My point is I played for fun, not to be some want to be Al Bundy, living my entire life in the past remembering my glory days of playing high school ball

.

Johnr    I can't let that bold statement go by without a rebuttal. 

Wrestling   Class A

      CLASS B
1970 Minot     New England St. Mary's
1971 Minot     Belcourt
1972 Bismarck     Watford City
1973 Bismarck     Watford City
1974 Bismarck     Watford City
1975 Bismarck     Napoleon
1976 Bismarck     Velva
1977 Mandan     Velva
1978 Bismarck     Lisbon
1979 Bismarck     Velva
1980 Bismarck     Napoleon
1981 Bismarck     Napoleon
1982 Bismarck     Napoleon
1983 Bismarck     Lisbon
1984 Bismarck     Velva
1985 Williston     Velva
1986 Bismarck     Velva
1987 Bismarck Century     Carrington
1988 Bismarck Century     Carrington
1989 Bismarck     Napoleon
1990 Bismarck Century     Napoleon
1991 Bismarck     Carrington
1992 Bismarck     Carrington
1993 Minot     Oakes
1994 Bismarck Century     Carrington
1995 Bismarck Century     Carrington
1996 Bismarck     Hettinger
1997 Fargo South     Napoleon
1998 Bismarck     Ashley/Wishek
  CLASS A     CLASS B
1999 Williston     Ashley/Wishek
2000 Bismarck     Hettinger
2001 Bismarck Century     Hettinger
2002 Bismarck     Napoleon
2003 Bismarck     Napoleon
2004 Bismarck     Napoleon
2005 Bismarck     Napoleon
2006 West Fargo     Napoleon
2007 Wahpeton     Napoleon
2008 Bismarck     Lisbon
2009 Bismarck     Oakes
2010 Bismarck     Oakes
2011 Bismarck     Oakes
2012 West Fargo     Oakes
2013 West Fargo     South Border
 

CLASS A BOYS BASKETBALL STATE CHAMPIONS
YR SCHOOL   YR SCHOOL
1933 Bismarck   1981 Mandan
1934 Minot   1982 Jamestown
1935 Grafton   1983 West Fargo
1936 Minot   1984 Bismarck Century
1937 Minot   1985 Fargo North
1938 Fargo   1986 Fargo South
1939 Jamestown   1987 Jamestown
1940 Mandan   1988 Minot
1941 Wahpeton   1989 Fargo South
1942 Fargo   1990 Minot
1943 Fargo   1991 West Fargo
1944 Wahpeton   1992 West Fargo
1945 Valley City   1993 Jamestown
1946 Grand Forks   1994 Bismarck
1947 Grand Forks   1995 Minot
1948 Williston   1996 Grand Forks Central
1949 Minot   1997 Fargo Shanley
1950 Minot   1998 Fargo Shanley
1951 Bismarck St. Mary's   1999 Minot
1952 Grand Forks   2000 Bismarck
1953 Bismarck   2001 Bismarck
1954 Wahpeton   2002 Fargo North
1955 Minot   2003 Dickinson
1956 Grand Forks   2004 Bismarck St. Mary's
1957 Bismarck   2005 Bismarck
1958 Bismarck   2006 Fargo North
1959 Bismarck   2007 Dickinson
1960 Valley City   2008 Bismarck
1961 Minot   2009 Mandan
1962 Rugby   2010 Bismarck
1963 Williston   2011 Century
1964 Grafton   2012 GF Red River
1965 Minot   2013 Shanley
1966 Mandan   2014  
1967 Mandan      
1968 Williston      
1969 Grand Forks Red River      
1970 Grand Forks Central      
1971 Minot      
1972 Bismarck St. Mary's      
1973 Fort Yates      
1974 Grand Forks Central      
1975 Williston      
1976 Jamestown      
1977 Fargo North      
1978 Jamestown      
1979 Wahpeton      
1980 Minot      
CLASS A 11-MAN FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS 1975 - 1996      
         
  1ST PLACE   2ND PLACE  
1975 Fargo Shanley 35   Fargo North 16  
1976 Fargo Shanley 48   Fargo North 6  
1977 Fargo Shanley 28   Bismarck Century 6  
1978 Fargo South 19   Fargo North 10  
1979 Dickinson Trinity 27   Fargo South 14  
1980 Minot 30   Fargo Shanley 7  
1981 Fargo Shanley 21   Fargo South 3  
1982 Fargo South 31   Grand Forks Red River 7  
1983 Fargo Shanley 31   Bismarck St. Mary's 17  
1984 Bismarck 21   Dickinson 14  
1985 Bismarck 27   Bismarck St. Mary's 26  
1986 Fargo South 34   Fargo North 6  
1987 Fargo South 13   Grand Forks Red River 8  
1988 Bismarck St. Mary's 31   Fargo South 14  
1989 Fargo South 28   Devils Lake 11  
1990 Fargo South 28   Bismarck St. Mary's 12  
1991 Bismarck St. Mary's 21   Jamestown 7  
1992 Fargo South 21   Minot 13  
1993 West Fargo 6   Fargo South 2  
1994 Bismarck St. Mary's 28   Jamestown 19  
1995 Fargo North 19   Bismarck St. Mary's 14  
1996 Fargo South 23   Grand Forks Central 13  
   

AAA DIVISION FOOTBALL CHAMPIONS  
1997 AAA DIVISION STARTED      
  1ST PLACE   2ND PLACE  
1997 Dickinson 28   Bismarck 26  
1998 West Fargo 12   Wahpeton 7  
1999 West Fargo 24   Minot 14  
2000 Fargo North 43   Bismarck 22  
2001 Bismarck 21   Fargo South 9  
2002 West Fargo 51   Minot 14  
2003 West Fargo 45   Bismarck 21  
2004 Fargo South  34   GF Central 27  
2005 GF Central 39   Fargo South 29  
2006 Fargo South 21   Minot 7  
2007 Fargo South 40   Bismarck  14  
2008 Bismarck 28   Fargo South 19  
2009 Bismarck 28   Fargo South 10  
2010 Fargo South 26   Bismarck 14  
2011 Bismarck 21   Century 3  
2012  Bismarck 21   Century 0  
2013 Fargo South 42   Bismarck 34
BASEBALL STATE A CHAMPIONS 
         
YR SCHOOL   YR SCHOOL
2000 Grand Forks Central      
2001 Dickinson      
2002 Fargo North      
2003 Bismarck      
2004 Dickinson      
2005 Minot      
2006 GF Central      
2007 Dickinson      
2008 Williston      
2009 Dickinson      
2010 Mandan      
2011 Fargo South      
2012 West Fargo      
2013 Shanley

Don't know what years are covered but Bismarck has won a whole lot of track and cross country titles for a number of years now.

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