Shanley baseball coach of 14 years says contract not renewed due to parent complaint about text message

As a parent of a young baseball player, I am appalled.

I think the message that the Coach sent out is awesome and struck a nerve.

FARGO – When the Fargo Shanley baseball team hits the field this spring, it will do so with a new coach.

Joel Swanson, who started the Deacons program in 1999, was informed by school administrators Monday that his coaching contract would not be renewed for the 2014 season.

According to Swanson, the reason for the nonrenewal is a complaint from a parent of one of the players in the Shanley program regarding a text message he sent to players last week regarding preparations for the upcoming season.

Swanson told The Forum that he met with Shanley activities director Randy Nelson and Dr. Michael Smith, the Superintendent of Blessed John Paul II Catholic Schools Network of Fargo on Monday to discuss the text message. In the meeting, Swanson said he was told a complaint had been issued by a parent.

“They told me the text message was considered threatening in tone and wording,” Swanson said. “They went on to say that it violated Shanley’s values and that my contract would not be renewed.”

Nelson confirmed Wednesday that Swanson’s contract was not renewed, but declined to comment on what prompted the decision, citing the matter as a personnel issue.

Swanson, who teaches alternative education at Cheney Middle School in West Fargo, coached 14 seasons with the Deacons and was coming off of a 10-12 season in which Shanley won the North Dakota Class A state championship.

Defending that championship is what prompted Swanson to send his players the text message.

Swanson provided The Forum a letter he sent Nelson and Dr. Smith in response to his dismissal, which included what he says is the transcript of the text message he sent to the players.

The text goes into great length about Swanson’s expectations for the 2014 season and his displeasure with players having poor attendance at non-mandatory open gym sessions.

“We are two months into open gyms and obviously all of you are satisfied with last year’s title,” the message reads. “We are the team that will have a target on our backs. We are the team that everyone throws their ace against. We are the team everyone wants to beat this year. I am sick of stupid excuses to not come to open gym. … If you want to be an athlete commit to it. One hour a week is not too much to ask if you want to be an athlete.

“If you make an excuse not to come then you are telling me what kind of athlete you are. I cannot require you to come but I thought I would have a group excited to try and defend a title. Not to make excuses and not care. Some of you are not even in a sport right now, which is even more pathetic. … I will not send out another message like this, but some of you may be in for a rude awakening when the season comes and you are not in the lineup due to a younger player that puts in the time.”

The Class A baseball season opens March 17, with the first contests scheduled for March 28.

Swanson has received hundreds of emails and text messages of support following the decision, which he cites as unjust due to the lack of opportunity to defend himself.

Swanson said he was afforded no challenge to the complaint nor was he allowed to meet – in a mediated setting – with the parent that issued the complaint, which he considers to be standard practice.

“It seems like something is missing here,” Swanson said. “If they want me to step down from my position, then fine, but it was done in an unprofessional way. I was released without ever being able to talk to this parent. I wasn’t able to defend myself as far as what the content of the text message was.”

In May of 2013, Minnesota passed a law preventing parent complaints as being the sole reason for a board to not renew a coaching contract in its high schools. No similar legislation exists in North Dakota.

“It is just too bad,” Swanson said. “We have a large senior class this year and they are a good group of kids. We didn’t have the best record in the regular season last year, but they were fun to coach. … It is tough to leave that. As a coach you want to help kids and share your knowledge, but there always is somebody who seems to think that is not good enough or they can do better.”

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Quincy, do you have an authority complex?  I'm sure you will have some super smart response for this, but have you thought about it?

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Quincy, do you have an authority complex?  I'm sure you will have some super smart response for this, but have you thought about it?

No I don't. And yes I have thought about it. I respect authority when respect is given. Not everyone in authority deserves respect, however.

Have you thought about why people think authority is inherently deserving of respect?

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 Why didn't these kids want to attend the workouts in the first place, and feel the need to make up excuses (if that's the case)?

Because too many of them are lazy and only do what it takes to get by.
Of course too many parents let their kids get by with it too.

Jesus, such a cop out. Not every kid is lazy FYI. Not every kid is unmotivatable. Not every kid is the opposite of the previous generation in terms of work ethic. This type of crap gets said after every new generation gets to a point. It's no more true now than it was 40 years ago.

But hey, I'll humor this crap and say, okay, the kids are lazy. Why were they not lazy during the season, but suddenly are now? Why aren't the kids motivated enough by the coach during the season and winning a chip that they suddenly became lazy? Or is the assumption that all of the high schoolers are lazy and they did just enough to win a state title?

I am so effing sick of the "when I was a kid" stories.  There are more guys on here that would have been pro athletes if only they would have pushed themselves a little harder.  LOL 

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I have weight in with my thoughts but one more story.
As a legion member our post would send kids to boy state.  They would fill out an application and we would select and then pay for part of that week.
Well we did our selection of two and they were to go.  The football coach found out and told the one kid if you go there for that week and not come to my special training program you are out of football.  He call us up and said he wants to go to boy states but  i also want to play footbal.
As i said before some coachs can kiss my ass.  DB

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 Why didn't these kids want to attend the workouts in the first place, and feel the need to make up excuses (if that's the case)?

Because too many of them are lazy and only do what it takes to get by.
Of course too many parents let their kids get by with it too.

Jesus, such a cop out. Not every kid is lazy FYI. Not every kid is unmotivatable. Not every kid is the opposite of the previous generation in terms of work ethic. This type of crap gets said after every new generation gets to a point. It's no more true now than it was 40 years ago.

But hey, I'll humor this crap and say, okay, the kids are lazy. Why were they not lazy during the season, but suddenly are now? Why aren't the kids motivated enough by the coach during the season and winning a chip that they suddenly became lazy? Or is the assumption that all of the high schoolers are lazy and they did just enough to win a state title?

I am so effing sick of the "when I was a kid" stories.  There are more guys on here that would have been pro athletes if only they would have pushed themselves a little harder.  LOL 

Ditto. When you start to hear the same type of stories from generation to generation, you start to realize they are probably bull.

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I have weight in with my thoughts but one more story.
As a legion member our post would send kids to boy state.  They would fill out an application and we would select and then pay for part of that week.
Well we did our selection of two and they were to go.  The football coach found out and told the one kid if you go there for that week and not come to my special training program you are out of football.  He call us up and said he wants to go to boy states but  i also want to play footbal.
As i said before some coachs can kiss my ass.  DB

now that right there is some bullshit the coaches should not do some thing like that

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Bottom line is the guy sent a text that was worded poorly. I don't think he was trying to be a jerk but it may have came off that way to some people. I agree with the coach in the fact that you should never expect to be a state champion without putting in a little extra effort. ONE hour per week is not too much to ask in my opinion.

Could he have handled this better, Yes. Should he have lost his job with a knee/jerk reaction. No.

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I guess I played my fair share of sports, to me it was for fun, I never made it my main priority to be the go to guy on the field, or court, or rink.

Seems fruitless to push anyone to the brink they dont want. How many of you guys know a pro player, or played with one, or became one. Even better any of you guys ever earn some jingle kicking a soccer ball, or slapping a puck?

Sports teaches team work, discipline, and some responsibility, much the same as boy scouts, 4-H, fishing with dad, whatever.

Oh by the way, if I would have tried harder I would be a millionare pro ball player...

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I guess I played my fair share of sports, to me it was for fun, I never made it my main priority to be the go to guy on the field, or court, or rink.

Seems fruitless to push anyone to the brink they dont want. How many of you guys know a pro player, or played with one, or became one. Even better any of you guys ever earn some jingle kicking a soccer ball, or slapping a puck?

Sports teaches team work, discipline, and some responsibility, much the same as boy scouts, 4-H, fishing with dad, whatever.

Oh by the way, if I would have tried harder I would be a millionare pro ball player...

I don't think that's the point.  So if you didn't want to be the go to guy, why even play?  Did your parents make you?  If so, that's not cool.

I went to schools where teams weren't "walk on,"  I'm not disrespecting anyone but just saying that may be why I view this differently than some.

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Quincy, I actually agree with your comment on respecting authoritative figures.  I had many CPO'S and LPO's while I was in the Navy.  One in particular couldn't make the correct decision, whether it was how to fix an aircraft or how to handle a lowly 3rd class petty officer.  He was in charge of us though.  Someone put him in that position.  So we didn't necessarily respect him, but we did respect the position. 

The same goes in coaching, teaching, manager, etc.  You don't have to respect the person, but you damn well better respect the position. 


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I guess I played my fair share of sports, to me it was for fun, I never made it my main priority to be the go to guy on the field, or court, or rink.

Seems fruitless to push anyone to the brink they dont want. How many of you guys know a pro player, or played with one, or became one. Even better any of you guys ever earn some jingle kicking a soccer ball, or slapping a puck?

Sports teaches team work, discipline, and some responsibility, much the same as boy scouts, 4-H, fishing with dad, whatever.

Oh by the way, if I would have tried harder I would be a millionare pro ball player...

I don't think that's the point.  So if you didn't want to be the go to guy, why even play?  Did your parents make you?  If so, that's not cool.

I went to schools where teams weren't "walk on,"  I'm not disrespecting anyone but just saying that may be why I view this differently than some.

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Fargo South High, no walk on's needed. In my day it was the largest school in the state, and rarely took less than 1 in almost every sport.

My point is I played for fun, not to be some want to be Al Bundy, living my entire life in the past remembering my glory days of playing high school ball

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Quincy, I actually agree with your comment on respecting authoritative figures.  I had many CPO'S and LPO's while I was in the Navy.  One in particular couldn't make the correct decision, whether it was how to fix an aircraft or how to handle a lowly 3rd class petty officer.  He was in charge of us though.  Someone put him in that position.  So we didn't necessarily respect him, but we did respect the position. 

The same goes in coaching, teaching, manager, etc.  You don't have to respect the person, but you damn well better respect the position. 

Good point, yes!

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I guess I played my fair share of sports, to me it was for fun, I never made it my main priority to be the go to guy on the field, or court, or rink.

Seems fruitless to push anyone to the brink they dont want. How many of you guys know a pro player, or played with one, or became one. Even better any of you guys ever earn some jingle kicking a soccer ball, or slapping a puck?

Sports teaches team work, discipline, and some responsibility, much the same as boy scouts, 4-H, fishing with dad, whatever.

Oh by the way, if I would have tried harder I would be a millionare pro ball player...

I don't think that's the point.  So if you didn't want to be the go to guy, why even play?  Did your parents make you?  If so, that's not cool.

I went to schools where teams weren't "walk on,"  I'm not disrespecting anyone but just saying that may be why I view this differently than some.

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Fargo South High, no walk on's needed. In my day it was the largest school in the state, and rarely took less than 1 in almost every sport.

My point is I played for fun, not to be some want to be Al Bundy, living my entire life in the past remembering my glory days of playing high school ball

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So personal John.  It's not about you buddy.

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So will I be a bad parent if I push my kid to go "above and beyond?"

Will I get my name in the paper for being a child abuser?

You can push your kid to go above and beyond without using negativity and fear. This isn't about a coach trying to push his kids, it's about a coach trying to push his kids when it's not his duty to, using the wrong methods.

Why didn't these kids want to attend the workouts in the first place, and feel the need to make up excuses (if that's the case)?

If they were like a typical kid they think they know better, that they are good enough and some are just flat out lazy.  That annoys coaches.  Nothing wrong with being annoyed and sending a motivating text.  No where in that text is it even disrespectful.

Wussified America.

You really don't see the disrespect? Allen highlighted the aspects that were unneeded. Claiming you aren't an athlete if you don't attend the voluntary workouts. Saying that only playing one sport is pathetic, etc.

If being respectful is wussified America, then I'm glad we're ending the reign of asshole America.

Timmy you are not going to change Quincy’s inaccurate opinion of the event…he feels what the coach did was disrespectful, asshole-ish and borderline malicious to the fact that the coach got his just deserves in being let go.

He felt the things stated in the text warranted the action taken by a parent to step up and file a complaint against the school because their poor child felt threaten (out of a group email) …

This is what he has pounded out over..and over..and over throughout these 16 pages … and that’s great he feels that way. I’m not sure what drives his distorted view, probably the same thing that drives the rest of us to validate the fact that the coaches actions were well with in the boundaries of coach/athlete behavior.  To each his own I guess…


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 Exactly my thoughts

If the kids want to practice and spend countless hours, good for them. If they want to spend that time in the fishing boat instead, good for them.

Can you even imagine how bad your life must be that your best days were the 3 years you played high school varsity ball. Actually feel sorry for the bundy's of the world

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 Exactly my thoughts

If the kids want to practice and spend countless hours, good for them. If they want to spend that time in the fishing boat instead, good for them.

Can you even imagine how bad your life must be that your best days were the 3 years you played high school varsity ball. Actually feel sorry for the bundy's of the world

I do too, again not the point. 

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Plus Al Bundy made it to the Steeler's training camp, so there.

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Plus Al Bundy made it to the Steeler's training camp, so there.

One of my favorite shows back in the day.

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Plus Al Bundy made it to the Steeler's training camp, so there.

One of my favorite shows back in the day.

Ditto.

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Timmy you are not going to change Quincy’s inaccurate opinion of the event…he feels what the coach did was disrespectful, asshole-ish and borderline malicious to the fact that the coach got his just deserves in being let go.

He felt the things stated in the text warranted the action taken by a parent to step up and file a complaint against the school because their poor child felt threaten (out of a group email) …

This is what he has pounded out over..and over..and over throughout these 16 pages … and that’s great he feels that way. I’m not sure what drives his distorted view, probably the same thing that drives the rest of us to validate the fact that the coaches actions were well with in the boundaries of coach/athlete behavior.  To each his own I guess…

Yep, to each his own. Your distorted views and inaccuracies are noted too, Thanks!

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Timmy you are not going to change Quincy’s inaccurate opinion of the event…he feels what the coach did was disrespectful, asshole-ish and borderline malicious to the fact that the coach got his just deserves in being let go.

He felt the things stated in the text warranted the action taken by a parent to step up and file a complaint against the school because their poor child felt threaten (out of a group email) …

This is what he has pounded out over..and over..and over throughout these 16 pages … and that’s great he feels that way. I’m not sure what drives his distorted view, probably the same thing that drives the rest of us to validate the fact that the coaches actions were well with in the boundaries of coach/athlete behavior.  To each his own I guess…

Yep, to each his own. Your distorted views and inaccuracies are noted too, Thanks!

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 Oh boy. I think I agree with gst. Since that means the world is ending, this thread will never make 20 pages. 

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Surprising there are enough kids that can go to basic any more if this hurt there feelings.  DI's are not very understanding about feelings and such but I guess it is now the world we live in.  Every ones a winner and just trying is good enough

I get your point kurt, but one is preparing young men to kill someone or try not to get killed themselves and one is teaching a kid how to play ball.

Believe me, my kids would tell you I don't take any whiney ass crap from them when they are expected to do things and commit their time to sports. They know they are not to waste their coaches and team mates time by not putting all their effort into what they do.

I am alright with toughening kids up a bit and having whiney ass parents take a hike.

Had more than one basketball hit me in the back of the head in practice for screwing off back in the day never had a problem with it back then (knew if I did I would get tuned up at home for screwing around)  and I might not have much of a problem with a coach waking up one of my kids with a whack to the helmet if it is deserved and needed.

Nor do I believe everyone should be rewarded equally and that hard work should get you somewhere and be rewarded.

I had a very successful coach (not only in w's and l's but in gaining kids lifelong respect) tell me once you simply can not handle every kid the same. Ages, personalities backgrounds, home life  ect,... all play into it. You can't handle a freshman playing varsity the same way you handle a senior. ect...

Some kids families can not afford them going to "voluntary" practices. (where some kids in our school  live  it is $10 bucks every time the kid drives to town(co op = miles) Some kids are working jobs. Lots of different reasons and circumstances to take into consideration.

I really know nothing about this particular situation and my comments are not directed towards it, more towards experiences watching a few years of high school sports. But when people suggest a coach has to yell and throw things and be a jackass to be "respected" by the kids he coaches, as some have on here, it makes one think abit.

It seems where you have grown up makes a difference also when I was a junior we has 320 kids trying out for the 12 varsity spots so if you didn't go to open gym or didn't make an impression you were lost in the wash.  If you had a coach get on you it was good because he saw some thing that made it worth his time.  I never took an ass chewing personally and most of the time realized it was deserved.  Guess I never had a coach tell me I had to go to an open gym we all just new it was expected if you wanted to have a shot at making the team some thing we learned from the upper classmen at summer bball camps.  Mom and Dad never forced me to go practice but quitting mid season was not an option.  I know I remember the biggest thing a coach ever told me was when he pulled me out of a game and said he was disappointed with my effort when I got put back I made sure not to make that mistake again as I respected him and did not want to do that again.  Maybe there is a lot more to the story but I see this guy as trying to light a fire maybe not conveyed in the best way in the text but from this one incident not fireable.  I guess different kids respond to coaching differently but there were times were I needed to be jacked up and put back in line.  The great coaches new when it was time to go bobby knight on it or when to be phil Jackson to get the best out of there players.

You have a point here in the differences of situations. And it takes a good coach to understand the differences in situations like I suggested.

And I whole heartedly agree there are times and places when a good coach knows how to draw out the potential in his players.

Don;'t know the story so kinda hard to condemn this particular coach or school board for me.

But one thing that does bother me any more is that often times school boards and officials are more concerned with lawsuits and policy than doing the right thing any more. 

Guess it is a sign of the times. I'd hate to be a teacher or a coach or even a superintendent or principal. I guess that is why I appreciate the good ones that are out there and I try to teach my kids to appreciate and respect them as well. .  

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in the forum today he is saying that he would change his text. so by saying that is he realizing that he isn't innocent anymore?

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He said he would have used some different words such as "pathetic" but he would do it again.  Come on now Chargers

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in the forum today he is saying that he would change his text. so by saying that is he realizing that he isn't innocent anymore?


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That's the problem with email & text.  Many times they are taken out of context & people get butthurt.

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No I don't. And yes I have thought about it. I respect authority when respect is given. Not everyone in authority deserves respect, however.

Have you thought about why people think authority is inherently deserving of respect?

This reeks of hypocrisy and sheds some light on why you are arguing the way you are.  You only show respect after respect is shown to you!  You have said that the coach's text was disrespectful to the kids.  I disagree.  But for the sake of argument, why does the coach have to treat his kids with respect after they are obviously disrespecting him and the rest of the kids on the team who are showing up for these voluntary workouts?  

I guess I've always been taught and felt that respect is something that is earned.  These kids who don't care enough about the team, the coach, or themselves to show up for a 1 hour/week voluntary workout, aren't earning the respect you think they should be automatically given.  That my friend is an entitlement mentality!  Thus, if you think this way then you would agree with why this pissed off a kid and his parents that also have an entitlement mentality.

If these kids are going to play a "team" sport, then they have a responsibility to the other members of the team.  Individual sports is a totally different beast, because a kids poor performance due to lack of skill or preparation or effort is only going to affect himself.  To me, not attending these voluntary workouts to try and improve your skills and be more ready for the season, is nothing less than a complete lack of respect for your teammates, coach, and yourself.  If playing sports and competing against others doesn't get you cranked up, then just don't play sports.  Don't go trying to get a coach fired because he expects more out of you than you or your parents are willing or believe they have to give.

The team went out on top last season and the coach would like to try and stay on top.  I can understand why he would be frustrated with kids not caring enough to also want to stay on top. 

It's a sad situation, but I also think there has to be more that we don't know about.  Perhaps the coach is truly a Dick, but I don't think that could be ascertained from the message he sent out. 
 

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That's the problem with email & text.  Many times they are taken out of context & people get butthurt.

what that never happens on fb.........:)

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changing the word pathetic is changing the text right? i guess if he feels he did nothing wrong then why say i would change 1word? like i said before, if this is the only reason for being fired i don't agree. i have a hard time believing this is the only reason he was fired. there has to be something else.

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He said he would have used some different words such as "pathetic" but he would do it again.  Come on now Chargers
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in the forum today he is saying that he would change his text. so by saying that is he realizing that he isn't innocent anymore?
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I have weight in with my thoughts but one more story.
As a legion member our post would send kids to boy state.  They would fill out an application and we would select and then pay for part of that week.
Well we did our selection of two and they were to go.  The football coach found out and told the one kid if you go there for that week and not come to my special training program you are out of football.  He call us up and said he wants to go to boy states but  i also want to play footbal.
As i said before some coachs can kiss my ass.  DB

now that right there is some bullshit the coaches should not do some thing like that

trouble is it is not as rare as one might think.

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That's the problem with email & text.  Many times they are taken out of context & people get butthurt.

                         
Whole heartedly agree.  You can text one thing and they understand it totally different.

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I guess I played my fair share of sports, to me it was for fun, I never made it my main priority to be the go to guy on the field, or court, or rink.

Seems fruitless to push anyone to the brink they dont want. How many of you guys know a pro player, or played with one, or became one. Even better any of you guys ever earn some jingle kicking a soccer ball, or slapping a puck?

Sports teaches team work, discipline, and some responsibility, much the same as boy scouts, 4-H, fishing with dad, whatever.

Oh by the way, if I would have tried harder I would be a millionare pro ball player...

I don't think that's the point.  So if you didn't want to be the go to guy, why even play?  Did your parents make you?  If so, that's not cool.

I went to schools where teams weren't "walk on,"  I'm not disrespecting anyone but just saying that may be why I view this differently than some.

Out.

I have watched a few teams that a number of kids believed they were the "go to guy".

Not such pretty ball to watch in some cases.

Indeed small town and large town sports are different, but when did having fun with your friends become an invalid reason for going out with sports?

I don't know one Mr Basketball that would have won a game without at least 7 or 8 other players that perhaps were not the "go to guy" on the team.

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That's the problem with email & text.  Many times they are taken out of context & people get butthurt.

                         
Whole heartedly agree.  You can text one thing and they understand it totally different.

When my kids ask me why I don't text them about some things, I ask if they understand the importance of "tone" in someone's voice?

Didn't take to many times getting in trouble and I knew by the tone of Dad's voice I'd better stop screwin around and get serious.
 
Hard to hear in a text.

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This reeks of hypocrisy and sheds some light on why you are arguing the way you are.  You only show respect after respect is shown to you!  You have said that the coach's text was disrespectful to the kids.  I disagree.  But for the sake of argument, why does the coach have to treat his kids with respect after they are obviously disrespecting him and the rest of the kids on the team who are showing up for these voluntary workouts?  

I guess I've always been taught and felt that respect is something that is earned.  These kids who don't care enough about the team, the coach, or themselves to show up for a 1 hour/week voluntary workout, aren't earning the respect you think they should be automatically given.  That my friend is an entitlement mentality!  Thus, if you think this way then you would agree with why this pissed off a kid and his parents that also have an entitlement mentality.

If these kids are going to play a "team" sport, then they have a responsibility to the other members of the team.  Individual sports is a totally different beast, because a kids poor performance due to lack of skill or preparation or effort is only going to affect himself.  To me, not attending these voluntary workouts to try and improve your skills and be more ready for the season, is nothing less than a complete lack of respect for your teammates, coach, and yourself.  If playing sports and competing against others doesn't get you cranked up, then just don't play sports.  Don't go trying to get a coach fired because he expects more out of you than you or your parents are willing or believe they have to give.

The team went out on top last season and the coach would like to try and stay on top.  I can understand why he would be frustrated with kids not caring enough to also want to stay on top. 

It's a sad situation, but I also think there has to be more that we don't know about.  Perhaps the coach is truly a Dick, but I don't think that could be ascertained from the message he sent out. 
 

No, that doesn't reek of hypocrisy. The rampant attempts to attack me personally for crap you disagree with is getting old guys. Don't take posts out of content in a half-assed attempt to prove my argument wrong. If you can't argue on merits just don't argue.

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That's what beer league is for gst.

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 Wow this is a super duper special thread!  So help me sum this up, is pathetic now the holy grail of evil words that I will get fired over, don't want to make anyone upset in today's super soft cushy hugs for everybody society. Thanks for the help in advance!

 

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This reeks of hypocrisy and sheds some light on why you are arguing the way you are.  You only show respect after respect is shown to you!  You have said that the coach's text was disrespectful to the kids.  I disagree.  But for the sake of argument, why does the coach have to treat his kids with respect after they are obviously disrespecting him and the rest of the kids on the team who are showing up for these voluntary workouts?  

Not showing up for voluntary workouts isn't inherently disrespectful. That is the basis of the term voluntary. Had they gone to the workouts and didn't try or were a nuisance you would have a point, but that wasn't the case.

I guess I've always been taught and felt that respect is something that is earned.  These kids who don't care enough about the team, the coach, or themselves to show up for a 1 hour/week voluntary workout, aren't earning the respect you think they should be automatically given.  That my friend is an entitlement mentality!  Thus, if you think this way then you would agree with why this pissed off a kid and his parents that also have an entitlement mentality.

If that is what is taken to earn respect, than those workouts aren't voluntary and would be considered mandatory under the threat of repercussion. NDHSAA would have a field day with that coach. It's not an entitlement mentality.

If these kids are going to play a "team" sport, then they have a responsibility to the other members of the team.  Individual sports is a totally different beast, because a kids poor performance due to lack of skill or preparation or effort is only going to affect himself.  To me, not attending these voluntary workouts to try and improve your skills and be more ready for the season, is nothing less than a complete lack of respect for your teammates, coach, and yourself.  If playing sports and competing against others doesn't get you cranked up, then just don't play sports.  Don't go trying to get a coach fired because he expects more out of you than you or your parents are willing or believe they have to give.

The team sport ended when they won the championship. Not attending voluntary events doesn't inherently show anything towards your fellow teammates or team. What happens during the season does. Remember this is high school, not college, not pros.

If the coach expected more out of some players he could have conveyed his message far better.

The team went out on top last season and the coach would like to try and stay on top.  I can understand why he would be frustrated with kids not caring enough to also want to stay on top. 

Yes, the coach won and it seemingly went to his head. It's not his job to win at all costs.

It's a sad situation, but I also think there has to be more that we don't know about.  Perhaps the coach is truly a Dick, but I don't think that could be ascertained from the message he sent out. 

Text, Facebook, and his general attitude towards the situation is what I'm basing it on.

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 Remember this all boils down to 1 hour per week.  Comeon you sit on the toilet longer than that in a week.  I bet if he said we will be playing video games, he probably wouldn't have room in the gym to hold all of them.
Pretty stupid to me but that is just my opinion.  They had to chase us out of the gym by shutting the lights off and same with other sports.  We wanted to play and excel and i guess that is the difference in todays children.
Oh well last comment for me on this subject.

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This reeks of hypocrisy and sheds some light on why you are arguing the way you are.  You only show respect after respect is shown to you!  You have said that the coach's text was disrespectful to the kids.  I disagree.  But for the sake of argument, why does the coach have to treat his kids with respect after they are obviously disrespecting him and the rest of the kids on the team who are showing up for these voluntary workouts?  

I guess I've always been taught and felt that respect is something that is earned.  These kids who don't care enough about the team, the coach, or themselves to show up for a 1 hour/week voluntary workout, aren't earning the respect you think they should be automatically given.  That my friend is an entitlement mentality!  Thus, if you think this way then you would agree with why this pissed off a kid and his parents that also have an entitlement mentality.

If these kids are going to play a "team" sport, then they have a responsibility to the other members of the team.  Individual sports is a totally different beast, because a kids poor performance due to lack of skill or preparation or effort is only going to affect himself.  To me, not attending these voluntary workouts to try and improve your skills and be more ready for the season, is nothing less than a complete lack of respect for your teammates, coach, and yourself.  If playing sports and competing against others doesn't get you cranked up, then just don't play sports.  Don't go trying to get a coach fired because he expects more out of you than you or your parents are willing or believe they have to give.

The team went out on top last season and the coach would like to try and stay on top.  I can understand why he would be frustrated with kids not caring enough to also want to stay on top. 

It's a sad situation, but I also think there has to be more that we don't know about.  Perhaps the coach is truly a Dick, but I don't think that could be ascertained from the message he sent out. 
 

No, that doesn't reek of hypocrisy. The rampant attempts to attack me personally for crap you disagree with is getting old guys. Don't take posts out of content in a half-assed attempt to prove my argument wrong. If you can't argue on merits just don't argue.

I just can't believe something typed or texted could be taken out of content...weird


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 Wow this is a super duper special thread!  So help me sum this up, is pathetic now the holy grail of evil words that I will get fired over, don't want to make anyone upset in today's super soft cushy hugs for everybody society. Thanks for the help in advance!

Yes, that is much worse than the insulting, un-inclusive, punches for everybody society...

If only coaches could throw basketballs at their players and call them fa**ots without repercussion; everyone would be better off.

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I just can't believe something typed ...weird

Totally...

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I haven't read through the 17 pages, but let me know if my synopsis is accurate of this thread. People get butt hurt when a coach acts like a coach and not a BFF?

 

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No, that doesn't reek of hypocrisy. The rampant attempts to attack me personally for crap you disagree with is getting old guys. Don't take posts out of content in a half-assed attempt to prove my argument wrong. If you can't argue on merits just don't argue.

This also reeks of hypocrisy! 

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 Remember this all boils down to 1 hour per week.  Comeon you sit on the toilet longer than that in a week.  I bet if he said we will be playing video games, he probably wouldn't have room in the gym to hold all of them.
Pretty stupid to me but that is just my opinion.  They had to chase us out of the gym by shutting the lights off and same with other sports.  We wanted to play and excel and i guess that is the difference in todays children.
Oh well last comment for me on this subject.

Remember this all boils down to off season of a high school sport. Just because you wanted to continue to play a sport in the off season non-stop doesn't mean all kids want to; let alone be hassled to want to.

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I haven't read through the 17 pages, but let me know if my synopsis is accurate of this thread. People get butt hurt when a coach acts like a coach and not a BFF?

No, people get butt hurt when coach is an a-hole and can't insult players anymore.

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No, that doesn't reek of hypocrisy. The rampant attempts to attack me personally for crap you disagree with is getting old guys. Don't take posts out of content in a half-assed attempt to prove my argument wrong. If you can't argue on merits just don't argue.

This also reeks of hypocrisy! 

I'm guessing you don't know what that word means. Can I just leave it at that and have you not post at me anymore?

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Here's another coach just trying to motivate his kids, at least it was during season...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T4YBKZ6WjA

Damn wussified college kids.

Here's another swimming coach just trying to motivate...

fox13now.com/2013/07/02/investigators-release-findings-on-swim-coach-accused-of-abuse/

If only those coddling parents didn't get involved he could have kept winning.

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I haven't read through the 17 pages, but let me know if my synopsis is accurate of this thread. People get butt hurt when a coach acts like a coach and not a BFF?

Hahaha.  That short and accurate explanation deserves an "A+".  But I think it might just be people who demand they be respected that get hurt in the butt.  The rest of us who can tolerate a little constructive criticism seem to be fine with it.

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Quincy05 Said:

notnr103 Said:
I haven't read through the 17 pages, but let me know if my synopsis is accurate of this thread. People get butt hurt when a coach acts like a coach and not a BFF?

No, people get butt hurt when coach is an a-hole and can't insult players anymore.

I'm really not trolling, but I didn't read anything within the context of his text message that was insulting. Perhaps I missed something, but the worst thing I read was him calling out players for their pathetic work ethic

 

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