Shanley baseball coach of 14 years says contract not renewed due to parent complaint about text message

As a parent of a young baseball player, I am appalled.

I think the message that the Coach sent out is awesome and struck a nerve.

FARGO – When the Fargo Shanley baseball team hits the field this spring, it will do so with a new coach.

Joel Swanson, who started the Deacons program in 1999, was informed by school administrators Monday that his coaching contract would not be renewed for the 2014 season.

According to Swanson, the reason for the nonrenewal is a complaint from a parent of one of the players in the Shanley program regarding a text message he sent to players last week regarding preparations for the upcoming season.

Swanson told The Forum that he met with Shanley activities director Randy Nelson and Dr. Michael Smith, the Superintendent of Blessed John Paul II Catholic Schools Network of Fargo on Monday to discuss the text message. In the meeting, Swanson said he was told a complaint had been issued by a parent.

“They told me the text message was considered threatening in tone and wording,” Swanson said. “They went on to say that it violated Shanley’s values and that my contract would not be renewed.”

Nelson confirmed Wednesday that Swanson’s contract was not renewed, but declined to comment on what prompted the decision, citing the matter as a personnel issue.

Swanson, who teaches alternative education at Cheney Middle School in West Fargo, coached 14 seasons with the Deacons and was coming off of a 10-12 season in which Shanley won the North Dakota Class A state championship.

Defending that championship is what prompted Swanson to send his players the text message.

Swanson provided The Forum a letter he sent Nelson and Dr. Smith in response to his dismissal, which included what he says is the transcript of the text message he sent to the players.

The text goes into great length about Swanson’s expectations for the 2014 season and his displeasure with players having poor attendance at non-mandatory open gym sessions.

“We are two months into open gyms and obviously all of you are satisfied with last year’s title,” the message reads. “We are the team that will have a target on our backs. We are the team that everyone throws their ace against. We are the team everyone wants to beat this year. I am sick of stupid excuses to not come to open gym. … If you want to be an athlete commit to it. One hour a week is not too much to ask if you want to be an athlete.

“If you make an excuse not to come then you are telling me what kind of athlete you are. I cannot require you to come but I thought I would have a group excited to try and defend a title. Not to make excuses and not care. Some of you are not even in a sport right now, which is even more pathetic. … I will not send out another message like this, but some of you may be in for a rude awakening when the season comes and you are not in the lineup due to a younger player that puts in the time.”

The Class A baseball season opens March 17, with the first contests scheduled for March 28.

Swanson has received hundreds of emails and text messages of support following the decision, which he cites as unjust due to the lack of opportunity to defend himself.

Swanson said he was afforded no challenge to the complaint nor was he allowed to meet – in a mediated setting – with the parent that issued the complaint, which he considers to be standard practice.

“It seems like something is missing here,” Swanson said. “If they want me to step down from my position, then fine, but it was done in an unprofessional way. I was released without ever being able to talk to this parent. I wasn’t able to defend myself as far as what the content of the text message was.”

In May of 2013, Minnesota passed a law preventing parent complaints as being the sole reason for a board to not renew a coaching contract in its high schools. No similar legislation exists in North Dakota.

“It is just too bad,” Swanson said. “We have a large senior class this year and they are a good group of kids. We didn’t have the best record in the regular season last year, but they were fun to coach. … It is tough to leave that. As a coach you want to help kids and share your knowledge, but there always is somebody who seems to think that is not good enough or they can do better.”

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GST you are losing your hold on top ranking fbo replier to every post.  quincy is in uncharted company with only a 2 day showing

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No, that doesn't reek of hypocrisy. The rampant attempts to attack me personally for crap you disagree with is getting old guys. Don't take posts out of content in a half-assed attempt to prove my argument wrong. If you can't argue on merits just don't argue.

This also reeks of hypocrisy! 

I'm guessing you don't know what that word means. Can I just leave it at that and have you not post at me anymore?

You're right.  I'm not the sharpest arrow in the quiver, but I can recognize someone that talks out of both sides of their mouth. 

Go away and demand respect elsewhere!

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I haven't read through the 17 pages, but let me know if my synopsis is accurate of this thread. People get butt hurt when a coach acts like a coach and not a BFF?

No, people get butt hurt when coach is an a-hole and can't insult players anymore.

I'm really not trolling, but I didn't read anything within the context of his text message that was insulting. Perhaps I missed something, but the worst thing I read was him calling out players for their pathetic work ethic

This sums it up nicely:

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Holy crap did you even read the text ????

“We are two months into open gyms and obviously all of you are satisfied with last year’s title,” the message reads. “We are the team that will have a target on our backs. We are the team that everyone throws their ace against. We are the team everyone wants to beat this year. I am sick of stupid excuses to not come to open gym. … If you want to be an athlete commit to it. One hour a week is not too much to ask if you want to be an athlete.

If you make an excuse not to come then you are telling me what kind of athlete you are. I cannot require you to come but I thought I would have a group excited to try and defend a title. Not to make excuses and not care. Some of you are not even in a sport right now, which is even more pathetic. … I will not send out another message like this, but some of you may be in for a rude awakening when the season comes and you are not in the lineup due to a younger player that puts in the time.”

The Class A baseball season opens March 17, with the first contests scheduled for March 28.

Please highlight the "ASSHOLE" parts of this text for those of us that apparently do not comprehend wussification...

I don't much care for the parts in yellow, and the part in red is not only none of his damn business, it is pure assholish. 

And then the very last part, so he says if I don't come down and hang out with him, even if I am the best player on the team he is going to sit me down in place of someone who showed up at these voluntary open gyms.  What, is he that fricking lonely?

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Quincy,

I've come to the conclusion you're either the parent that complained, or your a 20 year old that hasn't figured life out yet.

Sorry.

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I guess I played my fair share of sports, to me it was for fun, I never made it my main priority to be the go to guy on the field, or court, or rink.

Seems fruitless to push anyone to the brink they dont want. How many of you guys know a pro player, or played with one, or became one. Even better any of you guys ever earn some jingle kicking a soccer ball, or slapping a puck?

Sports teaches team work, discipline, and some responsibility, much the same as boy scouts, 4-H, fishing with dad, whatever.

Oh by the way, if I would have tried harder I would be a millionare pro ball player...

I don't think that's the point.  So if you didn't want to be the go to guy, why even play?  Did your parents make you?  If so, that's not cool.

I went to schools where teams weren't "walk on,"  I'm not disrespecting anyone but just saying that may be why I view this differently than some.

Out.

Fargo South High, no walk on's needed. In my day it was the largest school in the state, and rarely took less than 1 in almost every sport.

My point is I played for fun, not to be some want to be Al Bundy, living my entire life in the past remembering my glory days of playing high school ball

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I've been on the receiving end of a nearly tearful, high school sports memory chalked full of letterman jackets and misrepresentations that only decades of time can create...it was terrible, terrible I say

 

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I guess I played my fair share of sports, to me it was for fun, I never made it my main priority to be the go to guy on the field, or court, or rink.

Seems fruitless to push anyone to the brink they dont want. How many of you guys know a pro player, or played with one, or became one. Even better any of you guys ever earn some jingle kicking a soccer ball, or slapping a puck?

Sports teaches team work, discipline, and some responsibility, much the same as boy scouts, 4-H, fishing with dad, whatever.

Oh by the way, if I would have tried harder I would be a millionare pro ball player...

I don't think that's the point.  So if you didn't want to be the go to guy, why even play?  Did your parents make you?  If so, that's not cool.

I went to schools where teams weren't "walk on,"  I'm not disrespecting anyone but just saying that may be why I view this differently than some.

Out.

I have watched a few teams that a number of kids believed they were the "go to guy".

Not such pretty ball to watch in some cases.

Indeed small town and large town sports are different, but when did having fun with your friends become an invalid reason for going out with sports?

I don't know one Mr Basketball that would have won a game without at least 7 or 8 other players that perhaps were not the "go to guy" on the team.

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That's what beer league is for gst.

I am assuming here that the emboldened part of my reply is what your comment about "beer leagues" is aimed towards? 

It appears you believe if a kid wishes to have fun with his good friends in a sport he should merely suppress those foolish feelings and wait until he turns 21 to play a sport with his friends and have fun.

Now if I have misconstrued your comment, please help petition for a sarcasm button for FBO.

If not, thanks for showing pretty clearly that there indeed are people that think having fun with your friends playing a game as a kid in school is NOT a valid reason to go out for sports. 

Guess maybe that attitude is why Class B tickets sell out and Class A seats are empty.

 

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No, that doesn't reek of hypocrisy. The rampant attempts to attack me personally for crap you disagree with is getting old guys. Don't take posts out of content in a half-assed attempt to prove my argument wrong. If you can't argue on merits just don't argue.

This also reeks of hypocrisy! 

I'm guessing you don't know what that word means. Can I just leave it at that and have you not post at me anymore?

You're right.  I'm not the sharpest arrow in the quiver, but I can recognize someone that talks out of both sides of their mouth. 

Go away and demand respect elsewhere!

If insulting people that have insulted me on this board makes me a hypocrite, I'll wear that badge proudly. I've been nothing but cordial to those that have been to me. It's when people go personal is when I take offense.

And in terms of the coach, I've been consistent.

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I haven't read through the 17 pages, but let me know if my synopsis is accurate of this thread. People get butt hurt when a coach acts like a coach and not a BFF?

No, people get butt hurt when coach is an a-hole and can't insult players anymore.

I'm really not trolling, but I didn't read anything within the context of his text message that was insulting. Perhaps I missed something, but the worst thing I read was him calling out players for their pathetic work ethic

yep .. .welcome to 17 pages of this

how was Mexico?


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Quincy,

I've come to the conclusion you're either the parent that complained, or your a 20 year old that hasn't figured life out yet.

Sorry.

And I've come to the conclusion that your Jump to Conclusions mat is broken and probably needs to be replaced.

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gst,

This:

Now if I have misconstrued your comment, please help petition for a sarcasm button for FBO.

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GST you are losing your hold on top ranking fbo replier to every post.  quincy is in uncharted company with only a 2 day showing

Hey was brought up that if someone asked you something you answered and it better not be a bunch of bullshit. And if someone laid out a line of bullshit about something you were involved in you set the record straight with the truth!

I know those things don't go over well with some on FBO.

Along with emoticons.

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yelowjackt Said:

notnr103 Said:

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I haven't read through the 17 pages, but let me know if my synopsis is accurate of this thread. People get butt hurt when a coach acts like a coach and not a BFF?

No, people get butt hurt when coach is an a-hole and can't insult players anymore.

I'm really not trolling, but I didn't read anything within the context of his text message that was insulting. Perhaps I missed something, but the worst thing I read was him calling out players for their pathetic work ethic

yep .. .welcome to 17 pages of this

how was Mexico?

Ha, I figured I hadn't missed a beat. It was most excellent, thanks for asking

 

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If insulting people that have insulted me on this board makes me a hypocrite, I'll wear that badge proudly. I've been nothing but cordial to those that have been to me. It's when people go personal is when I take offense.

And in terms of the coach, I've been consistent.

I didn't call you a freakin idiot or something like that.  I merely pointed out what I felt were some hypocritical statements on your part.  "don't take my posts out of content", perhaps you meant context, but isn't that what you perhaps have done with the coach's comments?  Tell me what word in the dictionary best describes that and I will use it from now on.

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GST you are losing your hold on top ranking fbo replier to every post.  quincy is in uncharted company with only a 2 day showing

Hey was brought up that if someone asked you something you answered and it better not be a bunch of bullshit. And if someone laid out a line of bullshit about something you were involved in you set the record straight with the truth!

I know those things don't go over well with some on FBO.

Along with emoticons.

We have had some whoppers in the past but I believe this is top 3 easy and not even the usual players are involved.  We need to make this number one..... I believe a slot of 15 to 18 inch fish is needed on devils lake and that old dead tree rows should be left in place for ever.  Land owners should be able to hfh if they so choose and every thing in the oil batch is the devils spawn

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gst,

This:

Now if I have misconstrued your comment, please help petition for a sarcasm button for FBO.

Just out of curiousity, would you explain?

gst Said:

Guess maybe that attitude is why Class B tickets sell out and Class A seats are empty.

 

If the above can't get this to 20 pages because someone from Fargo gets "butt hurt".

Maybe if john r posts pics of Peggy Bundy's boobs bouncing up and down.

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GST you are losing your hold on top ranking fbo replier to every post.  quincy is in uncharted company with only a 2 day showing

Hey was brought up that if someone asked you something you answered and it better not be a bunch of bullshit. And if someone laid out a line of bullshit about something you were involved in you set the record straight with the truth!

I know those things don't go over well with some on FBO.

Along with emoticons.

We have had some whoppers in the past but I believe this is top 3 easy and not even the usual players are involved.  We need to make this number one..... I believe a slot of 15 to 18 inch fish is needed on devils lake and that old dead tree rows should be left in place for ever.  Land owners should be able to hfh if they so choose and every thing in the oil batch is the devils spawn

Your making it too easy Kurt!

Add baiting, deer numbers, gay marriage and creation/evolution and a thread such as that would likely fry the FBO servers.

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In short

Coach got mad, responded with a text that, A) got him fired B) shouldn't have in many people's mind C) Exposed certain FBO members as "them parents"

There are lines coaches shouldn't cross and their are dickhead/prick coaches. Had them in the 80's all over, especially in college. I could write a book. Mommy and daddy didn't step in once. Nobody told mommy and daddy in those days.

Off season is just that off season, but if the coach is putting in time to open the gym, for these kids, AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD BE THERE, then keep backing out ?...well enough speculating. Its off season!! Coach shouldn't have said anything, just laid out his expectations... simple.

Tim

Your practices were voluntary over X-mas??? In my HS wrestling practice was MADITORY over X-mas break!! Its during season, and if not on Sunday or the holiday itself, you better be there.

Nicest thing about wrestling, if you win the wrestle-off you're on the team. Off-season is up to you. I ruined my baseball my missing too much because going to nationals and camps.

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Out of today's article in the Forum:

"Shanley baseball players have started a petition to reinstate Swanson as coach"

That says it all.

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If insulting people that have insulted me on this board makes me a hypocrite, I'll wear that badge proudly. I've been nothing but cordial to those that have been to me. It's when people go personal is when I take offense.

And in terms of the coach, I've been consistent.

I didn't call you a freakin idiot or something like that.  I merely pointed out what I felt were some hypocritical statements on your part.  "don't take my posts out of content", perhaps you meant context, but isn't that what you perhaps have done with the coach's comments?  Tell me what word in the dictionary best describes that and I will use it from now on.

Yes, that's what I mean, apologies for the typo. I never said you called me an idiot, and yet you still took the argument personal by calling me a hypocrite. Instead of attempting to have me clarify, you accuse me and then set up a strawman as to where my argument is coming from. That's a very poor debate tactic, and I would argue lazy.

And his comments stood alone, the only context was the text; whereas the post you replied to was a direct question about authority. Claiming I should inherently respect this coach because of my response on authority is disingenuous.

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Out of today's article in the Forum:

"Shanley baseball players have started a petition to reinstate Swanson as coach"

That says it all.

How ever this plays out this kid that reported it is going to a hell of a time in hs kids are vicious with stuff like that.

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Wished we would have had wrestling in high school. Tried my damndest to get to go to a neighboring school to wrestle but back then you couldn't.

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Out of today's article in the Forum:

"Shanley baseball players have started a petition to reinstate Swanson as coach"

That says it all.

Meh, there were players that defended Coach Rice from Rutgers. Could essentially be considered a form of stockholm syndrome.

espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9135440/two-rutgers-players-defend-fired-coach-mike-rice

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Well at the 20 page mark I'm gonna throw in the towel. Good conversation with most of you. And if you a-holes spent this much time and zeal on fishing reports maybe I would catch more this year :)

Stay warm this weekend all and tight lines

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this thread is too much! Let's go for the record.


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 Ok where did I say anything about calling people fa@@@@s and throwing basketballs at people?  Dude, don't ever think about going into or having your children go into any military branch if you were raised, from what it seems, super sensitive! Omg if you can't handle someone saying the word "pathetic" you are about to have a really, really, tough life.

For the record though, I am not for someone throwing basketballs at players and calling them fa@@@@@s and I also can't stand that kiddy football show with coaches from hell, however using the word pathetic to a teenager I don't see as physical OR verbal abuse.

Now Mr or Mrs Quincy dude or dudett, no matter what I or anyone else puts here you will not be swayed to any side but the one that you are on which is fine, because you have that right afforded to you by alot of cussing and swearing American military where not only the word pathetic was used but also some blast fence counseling on occasion. Best of luck to you in the future.


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 Wow this is a super duper special thread!  So help me sum this up, is pathetic now the holy grail of evil words that I will get fired over, don't want to make anyone upset in today's super soft cushy hugs for everybody society. Thanks for the help in advance!

Yes, that is much worse than the insulting, un-inclusive, punches for everybody society...

If only coaches could throw basketballs at their players and call them fa**ots without repercussion; everyone would be better off.

 

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 Ok where did I say anything about calling people fa@@@@s and throwing basketballs at people?  Dude, don't ever think about going into or having your children go into any military branch if you were raised, from what it seems, super sensitive! Omg if you can't handle someone saying the word "pathetic" you are about to have a really, really, tough life.

For the record though, I am not for someone throwing basketballs at players and calling them fa@@@@@s and I also can't stand that kiddy football show with coaches from hell, however using the word pathetic to a teenager I don't see as physical OR verbal abuse.

Now Mr or Mrs Quincy dude or dudett, no matter what I or anyone else puts here you will not be swayed to any side but the one that you are on which is fine, because you have that right afforded to you by alot of cussing and swearing American military where not only the word pathetic was used but also some blast fence counseling on occasion. Best of luck to you in the future.


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 Wow this is a super duper special thread!  So help me sum this up, is pathetic now the holy grail of evil words that I will get fired over, don't want to make anyone upset in today's super soft cushy hugs for everybody society. Thanks for the help in advance!

Yes, that is much worse than the insulting, un-inclusive, punches for everybody society...

If only coaches could throw basketballs at their players and call them fa**ots without repercussion; everyone would be better off.

I already made that statement and was told I don't have a clue

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 Yep yep and more yep, I somewhat feel sorry for this young adult......

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Out of today's article in the Forum:

"Shanley baseball players have started a petition to reinstate Swanson as coach"

That says it all.

How ever this plays out this kid that reported it is going to a hell of a time in hs kids are vicious with stuff like that.

 

Good Luck and Good Fishin'

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I guess i must be missing something with Quincy and Allen's post.
There were a hand full of times when my wife and i thought what was going on at practice or the game was not right either with our kids or others.  This was discuss as a family and what we as parents felt.  That was as far as it went.  It was a learning experience and one of my daughters has been a head coach at class A and B schools.  She does her best and has been to the state tournament with her team.  It was interesting to go to her games as a stranger and then listen to what the crowd would say about her as we sat in the home crowd.  Most of it was postive but not all.
However one time i felt the need to visit with the coach which i did about my child.  Got a call the next day from the supertindent that i was not to do that.  So i told the superteindent what i thougth of his opinion.
However one time my son and another kid were goofing off at practice.  Coach
told them to go to the locker room as they were done for the day and could not come to practice for a period of time.  Fine no problem with that and to me not a big thing.  They were having some fun and the coach did not see it that way.  They learn from it (can not have fun when your playing).
But he then told the rest of the team they needed to go down to the locker room and take care of my son and other kid for what they did.
My son found out and did approach the rest of the team and stated fine but one at a time.  I did not know this at the time. The players had no intention of going down to the locker room.  And if you have been in sports you know what can go on in the locker room.
I did contact my next door neighbor who was on the board and then did meet with the supertindent on this.  Guess they felt no need to talk to the coach about it.
Sports are great but it is not the only thing in life.  Being in sports does not guarantee your future life.  There are many things and many moments that will shape one's future when you are young.  A coach can be a big part of that childs life.  He can teach a lot about surviving in the future and being the kind of adult you want your kid to be. To work as a team and be a leader.  I was a teacher of kids.  I love it except for the parents and the adminstation.  I moved on.
But when it becomes about the coach, his pride and his own self gratification over the kid then we have a problem.  There are a lot of ways to get a kid to do almost anything for you.  A good coach knows how to do that.  By his text this one did not.  First off it needed to be done in person where there is communation. I am sure there is a teaching moment for your kid from this one. Talk to him/her.  Will he/she be the one to take the coaches side or the side of the adminstation.  A lot can be learn here.  DB 

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I have weight in with my thoughts but one more story.
As a legion member our post would send kids to boy state.  They would fill out an application and we would select and then pay for part of that week.
Well we did our selection of two and they were to go.  The football coach found out and told the one kid if you go there for that week and not come to my special training program you are out of football.  He call us up and said he wants to go to boy states but  i also want to play footbal.
As i said before some coachs can kiss my ass.  DB

I just cant believe you had to pay to play!!? Imagine that, pay to play............... man that is just insane!

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Or will your child be the one to condem the kid, the parent who complained and the administation along with your condemnation?  db

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Quincy05 Said:

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Out of today's article in the Forum:

"Shanley baseball players have started a petition to reinstate Swanson as coach"

That says it all.

Meh, there were players that defended Coach Rice from Rutgers. Could essentially be considered a form of stockholm syndrome.

espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9135440/two-rutgers-players-defend-fired-coach-mike-rice

I don't think you can get Stockholm Syndrome from a text message.

You just jumped the shark on that one.

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I wonder what Brad Pitt would think? 

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walynut Said:
 Yep yep and more yep, I somewhat feel sorry for this young adult......

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Cowbell Said:
Out of today's article in the Forum:

"Shanley baseball players have started a petition to reinstate Swanson as coach"

That says it all.

How ever this plays out this kid that reported it is going to a hell of a time in hs kids are vicious with stuff like that.

Agreed.  It appears this kid will most likely suffer some reprisal from the other players because his parents or parent pushed this issue.  Hopefully it won't be too bad and he learns a lesson.  Probably no hope for his parents though. 

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Cowbell Said:
Out of today's article in the Forum:

"Shanley baseball players have started a petition to reinstate Swanson as coach"

That says it all.

if the glove don't fit, you must acquit...

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Pure unadulterated sarcasm gst, that's it. 

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gst,

This:

Now if I have misconstrued your comment, please help petition for a sarcasm button for FBO.

Just out of curiousity, would you explain?

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Guess maybe that attitude is why Class B tickets sell out and Class A seats are empty.

 

If the above can't get this to 20 pages because someone from Fargo gets "butt hurt".

Maybe if john r posts pics of Peggy Bundy's boobs bouncing up and down.

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walynut Said:
 Ok where did I say anything about calling people fa@@@@s and throwing basketballs at people?  Dude, don't ever think about going into or having your children go into any military branch if you were raised, from what it seems, super sensitive! Omg if you can't handle someone saying the word "pathetic" you are about to have a really, really, tough life.

For the record though, I am not for someone throwing basketballs at players and calling them fa@@@@@s and I also can't stand that kiddy football show with coaches from hell, however using the word pathetic to a teenager I don't see as physical OR verbal abuse.

Now Mr or Mrs Quincy dude or dudett, no matter what I or anyone else puts here you will not be swayed to any side but the one that you are on which is fine, because you have that right afforded to you by alot of cussing and swearing American military where not only the word pathetic was used but also some blast fence counseling on occasion. Best of luck to you in the future.

You didn't say it, it's called hyperbole in an effort to highlight the lunacy of calling abuse the wussified America.

Dude, armed services isn't high school sports, nor is a full time job equivalent to high school sports. Attempting to allude that I think actual drill sergeants shouldn't expect more out of troops is different than expecting high school and lower coaches from not being drill sergeants. Expecting high school and lower individuals to coach like they are preparing kids for the armed services is lunacy.

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Well the kids took it upon themselves to start a petition so some one taught them about the adult world and how to go about it.  Must be some leaders in there.
Just wondering how the coach will handle this.  Will he let others push the issue and fight for him or will he bring peace and move on?  How will his action for the good of the team affect the season coming up?  I assume this is what the main issue is and how the kids action affected the upcoming season.
His action will speak volumes for me about the kind of guy he is.
Will the upcoming season be about the team, the kids and the game of baseball?  Or will it be about the coach?  db

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Cowbell Said:

Quincy05 Said:

Cowbell Said:
Out of today's article in the Forum:

"Shanley baseball players have started a petition to reinstate Swanson as coach"

That says it all.

Meh, there were players that defended Coach Rice from Rutgers. Could essentially be considered a form of stockholm syndrome.

espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9135440/two-rutgers-players-defend-fired-coach-mike-rice

I don't think you can get Stockholm Syndrome from a text message.

You just jumped the shark on that one.

You don't get stockholm syndrome from the abuse. You get it from the entire time you're with the person and suddenly the abuse is acceptable and empathy forms. Not sure how I jumped the shark based on your flawed interpretation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

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Quincy05 Said:

Cowbell Said:

Quincy05 Said:

Cowbell Said:
Out of today's article in the Forum:

"Shanley baseball players have started a petition to reinstate Swanson as coach"

That says it all.

Meh, there were players that defended Coach Rice from Rutgers. Could essentially be considered a form of stockholm syndrome.

espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9135440/two-rutgers-players-defend-fired-coach-mike-rice

I don't think you can get Stockholm Syndrome from a text message.

You just jumped the shark on that one.

You don't get stockholm syndrome from the abuse. You get it from the entire time you're with the person and suddenly the abuse is acceptable and empathy forms. Not sure how I jumped the shark based on your flawed interpretation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

You jumped the shark by using the phrase "Stockholm Syndrome." I must have missed the part where the coach held all these baseball players captive in his basement.


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 if he would have thrown in a "play 60" reference at the end of his text, he would probably be sitting next to michelle at the state of the union next year... 

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Cowbell Said:

Quincy05 Said:

Cowbell Said:

Quincy05 Said:

Cowbell Said:
Out of today's article in the Forum:

"Shanley baseball players have started a petition to reinstate Swanson as coach"

That says it all.

Meh, there were players that defended Coach Rice from Rutgers. Could essentially be considered a form of stockholm syndrome.

espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9135440/two-rutgers-players-defend-fired-coach-mike-rice

I don't think you can get Stockholm Syndrome from a text message.

You just jumped the shark on that one.

You don't get stockholm syndrome from the abuse. You get it from the entire time you're with the person and suddenly the abuse is acceptable and empathy forms. Not sure how I jumped the shark based on your flawed interpretation.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

You jumped the shark by using the phrase "Stockholm Syndrome." I must have missed the part where the coach held all these baseball players captive in his basement.

You clearly missed the word "essentially" or "considered". One doesn't have to be physically captive in order to experience stockholm syndrome. Have you ever heard a woman that loves her man even though he continually beats her? It's not jumping the shark to point out a possible explanation as to why some players would defend a coach. It's happened before (Rice/Rutgers, Paterno/Penn St) and will happen again in the future.

psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/when-you-love-your-abuser-stockholm-syndrome-and-trauma-bonds/

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 if he would have thrown in a "play 60" reference at the end of his text, he would probably be sitting next to michelle at the state of the union next year... 

I think he should blame a anti muslim video, seems to work really good when you screw up

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Cowbell Said:

Quincy05 Said:

Cowbell Said:
Out of today's article in the Forum:

"Shanley baseball players have started a petition to reinstate Swanson as coach"

That says it all.

Meh, there were players that defended Coach Rice from Rutgers. Could essentially be considered a form of stockholm syndrome.

espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9135440/two-rutgers-players-defend-fired-coach-mike-rice

I don't think you can get Stockholm Syndrome from a text message.

You just jumped the shark on that one.

Neat

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Db Said:
I guess i must be missing something with Quincy and Allen's post.

Personally, I have absolutely no issue with your posts.  Nor am I exactly sure which portion of mine you disagree(?) with on this topic.

So your son's coach told the team to go to the locker room to handle your son and the superintendent and school board member weren't interested?  Wow, I think me and the coach would be having another discussion on that.  Blanket Parties and Code Reds went out of fashion after the movie A Few Good Men, or so I thought.  I commend your son's team mates for doing what I was taught in the Corps, and that is to refuse a blatantly illegal order.

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LOL. How many guys water ski with a leather jacket on. HAHA

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Db Said:
I guess i must be missing something with Quincy and Allen's post.

Personally, I have absolutely no issue with your posts.  Nor am I exactly sure which portion of mine you disagree(?) with on this topic.

So your son's coach told the team to go to the locker room to handle your son and the superintendent and school board member weren't interested?  Wow, I think me and the coach would be having another discussion on that.  Blanket Parties and Code Reds went out of fashion after the movie A Few Good Men, or so I thought.  I commend your son's team mates for doing what I was taught in the Corps, and that is to refuse a blatantly illegal order.

Sadly I don't think the other players refused, I get this from the "fine, one at a time" comment, as in his kid took it instead of it being stopped. And people wonder why there are anonymous reports now.

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Allen i stand at your side.  My comments were in support.
My son and the locker room comment.  it was my understanding from other parents the other players knew it was wrong and did not go to the locker room to do what the coach suggested.  But my son did not know that at the time and was just defending himself.  Yes for me and the wife it was hard to understand the action that took place from those in authority.  But the kids handled it right and it was fine.  They were the adult in this case.  The coach is no longer to the best of my knowledge in teaching. 
My wife and i became aware of what had happen not from my son but from another parent whose son was on the team about two days after it happen.  db

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Allen Said:

Db Said:
I guess i must be missing something with Quincy and Allen's post.

Personally, I have absolutely no issue with your posts.  Nor am I exactly sure which portion of mine you disagree(?) with on this topic.

So your son's coach told the team to go to the locker room to handle your son and the superintendent and school board member weren't interested?  Wow, I think me and the coach would be having another discussion on that.  Blanket Parties and Code Reds went out of fashion after the movie A Few Good Men, or so I thought.  I commend your son's team mates for doing what I was taught in the Corps, and that is to refuse a blatantly illegal order.

still there in 97 guy kept causing problems for the platoon and di's.  We were told in no uncertain terms eliminate the problem or things were really going to get bad for the rest of us.  Not one blow thrown but the blankets holding the guy down and some words of encouragement changed his whole attitude. Not right but our DI was a certified asshole and did not bs us. But shit like that has no place in high school athletics and I will be the first to say that.  I can say the worst hazing I ever saw or heard of in hs was the golf team of all the teams a guy is one nipple short the rest of his life due to a titty twister on steroids.

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Should a coach be able to make "his" program a year round commitment?

Why does my laptop only show  8 pages?

                                                                                                                         

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WormWiggler Said:
Should a coach be able to make "his" program a year round commitment?

Why does my laptop only show  8 pages?

You must have more than the standard post allowed per page.

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